At the family''s request, the third soldier’s name has not been released and is also listed as DUSTWUN, the U.S. Army said. 目前可以确认的消息有：a female pilot who was the pilot in command with ~ 500 flight hours 其它没有确认的大家一定不要轻信 现在网上的谣言满天飞，不管背后这些人是出于何种目的
+1, 保险也是男性高一些，但就是有人会迷之自信地说女性开车不行…… According to a recent IIHS report, a significantly higher number of men die in car accidents each year, accounting for 72% of 2021 crash deaths. Males were also more likely to be involved in fatal crashes where speeding and alcohol use were contributing factors.
军机上3个人的姓名和身份都公布了，这个女的是北卡人，还当过拜登政府的 social aide。 3个人的遗体已经捞起来2具 One of three soldiers aboard a Black Hawk helicopter that was involved in the deadly midair collision with an American Airlines flight Wednesday near Reagan National Airport outside Washington, D.C., was identified Saturday by the Army as 28-year-old Capt. Rebecca Lobach. Lobach also served as a White House social aide during the Biden administration, Brown said. Just last month, she escorted Ralph Lauren through the White House when he was among those awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by former President Joe Biden. Capt. Rebecca Lobach pictured in the White House Briefing Room, Jan. 24, 2023.Samantha Brown The other two soldiers aboard the Black Hawk helicopter have been identified as Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Maryland, and Staff. Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia, who was the chopper's crew chief. The bodies of two of the three soldiers have so far been recovered from the wreckage of the Blackhawk helicopter, a law enforcement source familiar with the recovery efforts confirmed to CBS News Saturday. The source said the bodies – a man and a woman – were recovered sometime Friday. The Black Hawk had taken off from nearby Fort Belvoir in Virginia, and was conducting a routine training mission at the time of the collision that killed 67 people, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth disclosed. "A routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor for a continuity of government mission. The military does dangerous things. It does routine things on a regular basis," Hegseth said Thursday. "Tragically, last night a mistake was made." The cause is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration.
seekingalpha 发表于 2025-02-01 18:38 军机上3个人的姓名和身份都公布了，这个女的是北卡人，还当过拜登政府的 social aide。 3个人的遗体已经捞起来2具 One of three soldiers aboard a Black Hawk helicopter that was involved in the deadly midair collision with an American Airlines flight Wednesday near Reagan National Airport outside Washington, D.C., was identified Saturday by the Army as 28-year-old Capt. Rebecca Lobach. Lobach also served as a White House social aide during the Biden administration, Brown said. Just last month, she escorted Ralph Lauren through the White House when he was among those awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by former President Joe Biden. Capt. Rebecca Lobach pictured in the White House Briefing Room, Jan. 24, 2023.Samantha Brown The other two soldiers aboard the Black Hawk helicopter have been identified as Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Maryland, and Staff. Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia, who was the chopper's crew chief. The bodies of two of the three soldiers have so far been recovered from the wreckage of the Blackhawk helicopter, a law enforcement source familiar with the recovery efforts confirmed to CBS News Saturday. The source said the bodies – a man and a woman – were recovered sometime Friday. The Black Hawk had taken off from nearby Fort Belvoir in Virginia, and was conducting a routine training mission at the time of the collision that killed 67 people, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth disclosed. "A routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor for a continuity of government mission. The military does dangerous things. It does routine things on a regular basis," Hegseth said Thursday. "Tragically, last night a mistake was made." The cause is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration.
我之前看到的报道是说直升机3个人的遗体已经全部捞起来了，还有黑鹰上配备的黑匣子。 Captain Rebecca Lobach was 28 years old and a native of Durham, N.C. She was a distinguished military graduate from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and commissioned in 2019 as an active-duty aviation officer. She died along with fellow pilot Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Md. and crew member Staff Sergeant Ryan O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Ga.
seekingalpha 发表于 2025-02-01 18:38 军机上3个人的姓名和身份都公布了，这个女的是北卡人，还当过拜登政府的 social aide。 3个人的遗体已经捞起来2具 One of three soldiers aboard a Black Hawk helicopter that was involved in the deadly midair collision with an American Airlines flight Wednesday near Reagan National Airport outside Washington, D.C., was identified Saturday by the Army as 28-year-old Capt. Rebecca Lobach. Lobach also served as a White House social aide during the Biden administration, Brown said. Just last month, she escorted Ralph Lauren through the White House when he was among those awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by former President Joe Biden. Capt. Rebecca Lobach pictured in the White House Briefing Room, Jan. 24, 2023.Samantha Brown The other two soldiers aboard the Black Hawk helicopter have been identified as Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Maryland, and Staff. Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia, who was the chopper's crew chief. The bodies of two of the three soldiers have so far been recovered from the wreckage of the Blackhawk helicopter, a law enforcement source familiar with the recovery efforts confirmed to CBS News Saturday. The source said the bodies – a man and a woman – were recovered sometime Friday. The Black Hawk had taken off from nearby Fort Belvoir in Virginia, and was conducting a routine training mission at the time of the collision that killed 67 people, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth disclosed. "A routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor for a continuity of government mission. The military does dangerous things. It does routine things on a regular basis," Hegseth said Thursday. "Tragically, last night a mistake was made." The cause is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration.
当兵在美帝也没有多香，不需 DEI； 至于 White House social aide 另说，也只是短期临时担任 Capt. Rebecca Lobach (R) and Chief Warrant Officer 2 Sabrina Bell (L) smile in the cockpit of a UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter. Feb. 28, 2024. Lobach was a native of Durham, North Carolina, and enlisted in the North Carolina Army National Guard while in college in December 2018, a friend, 1st Lt. Samantha Brown, told CBS News. She attended Sewanee: The University of the South, where she played basketball, and then later the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where she completed a degree in biology in 2019 as a distinguished military graduate
Please include FULL information on her distinguished military career & service to our Country. ⬇️ is the letter from her family doing so. pic.twitter.com/y7Jsa84xzC — InquisitiveScout (@scout8712) February 1, 2025
Please include FULL information on her distinguished military career & service to our Country. ⬇️ is the letter from her family doing so. pic.twitter.com/y7Jsa84xzC — InquisitiveScout (@scout8712) February 1, 2025
Please include FULL information on her distinguished military career & service to our Country. ⬇️ is the letter from her family doing so. pic.twitter.com/y7Jsa84xzC — InquisitiveScout (@scout8712) February 1, 2025
目前可以确认的消息有：a female pilot who was the pilot in command with ~ 500 flight hours
其它没有确认的大家一定不要轻信
现在网上的谣言满天飞，不管背后这些人是出于何种目的
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不上新闻当然我一样不知道，上了新闻我才能无端猜测一点。
因为我知道飞机公司研究部门，确实偶尔有些测试是在机场附近。知道的有过一次，是因为惯性导航卫星导航和照相机之间总是有问题，最后只能到机场附近做机动飞行来采集数据。
因为机场位置数据都是每年有准确测量的，特别是大机场。其他你随便一水塔谁知道在哪里？
有人说水塔位置不会变，但地球轨道每年都变一点好吧。
（还是考虑过水塔方案的，但是被飞行员出身的同学们否决了）
而且既然合理猜测有些问题只在飞机机动的时候才会发生，那测试显然要多机动一点 ，，，
当然，是找了能找到的最好的飞行员，空军退役又加上多少年的大民航机长经验，还在机场附近逗留不少时间，跟空管交流，等到合适窗口，等等等等。
这些我都不熟悉，也不好多说。我也没为军方辩护的意思，毕竟军方跟我一点关系都没有。
只是感慨一下，出门在外，能回来都是命！很多东西我们不知道而已，知道了都得吓死 ，，， 每次我开车从机场旁边的路上经过，基本都感慨能活着从路上开过去都是命！！
是的。不是说不用，就是应该增加安全性。
我们以前还飞过几次DCA, 但是我们平民百姓不知道这么危险。这次出了事才知道。我看版上有人说一直不飞DCA, 但我们真没想那么多。
FAA 还是重视 near miss ，因为人本身是监管部门不赚钱，但出了事要背锅。所以会有 ground fleet 等等。
军方自己要出训练的 budget，训练又有考核硬指标，外加官僚能不改动就不改动，会有 conflict of interest 。
一般near miss之后就是一堆人玩政治文字游戏，貌似等待miss了该怎么推卸责任…我对美国这种near miss的会都很无语，根本不想解决miss，更像是盼望…
near miss 不会引起重视的，必须要死人。
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为什么不能release？看视频军机几乎全责，害死这么多人
Her family specifically asked the military to not release her name.
现在还在事故调查阶段，你看个视频就能盖棺定论也太牛了吧
人家好歹也是为国捐躯，键盘侠省省吧，做个人，别在失去亲人的家属滴血的心上再插一把刀了
家人不让挂名字太正常了，人家有这个权利，媒体和官方都需要尊重的。一方面怕有人找麻烦，另一方可能也是不想自己的伤痛被人拿来讨论。
你咋知道第三个士兵是女性呢？
报告说的是２男１女.
所以不是遇害者或其家属的特权； 是公布信息的人的特权：想让你知道啥你就知道啥，不想让你知道啥你就不知道啥。 所以没什么值得分析揣测的，韭菜从来都只会被错误和偏见信息淹没，而完全接触不到有用信息，所以任何分析揣测连出发点和思路都没机会对。
那个好像辟谣了，说不是她
川粉慌不择路编的呗
别胡扯了。我们公司出事都会尊重家属的意愿不公布名字。
媒体也可以不尊重家属意愿去挖信息啊。
你说的话用在自己身上刚刚好。
玩忽职守和为国捐躯就没有一点区别吗？ 是不是一个人在为国家工作的岗位上犯了错，造成自己和别人死亡， 是不是既是玩忽职守又是为国捐躯。
是不是玩忽职守是你一句话就定性了？军人有军事法庭处理，轮不到你这个键盘侠来决定
肤色太白。。。
带着70多人一起为国捐躯？呸。
我同意女性这方面average 肯定差一点，有没有特别有能力的，当然有。所以就是要客观的衡量competency。碰到有天分的女性可以选，不能因为是女性就降低标准。
不一定是abc，也可以是国内出生的，后来移民来的。 参军也是拿身份的一个渠道（记得本版有位mm还聊起过自己的经历）
不会这几个身份，都不是trump和几个内阁不公布的出发点，因为他们会甩锅给她。
不是为国捐躯，是交通肇事
大法官判决了，怕怕！
能不能不顺嘴胡说？数据呢？
我先来：https://www.terry-lawfirm.com/blog/more-accidents-men-women/
事故数量男人多，事故率女性稍多一点，但是男性开车造成的死亡要高很多。
女性怎么差了？数据呢？
男飞行员比女飞行员的事故率高60%： https://www.newsweek.com/do-women-pilots-crash-more-men-1973481#:~:text=It%20found%20that%20male%20pilots,an%20accident%20than%20female%20pilots.
比你开车/飞机行的女的有的是，跪安吧。。。
你真狭隘。我妈基本算中国改革开放后前几届女司机了，开了一辈子大卡车，一次事故都没有。我爸都是我妈带出来的。 你自己不行就说你自己笨好了，没有女的愿意跟笨蛋一头。说你自己好了
+1, 保险也是男性高一些，但就是有人会迷之自信地说女性开车不行……
According to a recent IIHS report, a significantly higher number of men die in car accidents each year, accounting for 72% of 2021 crash deaths. Males were also more likely to be involved in fatal crashes where speeding and alcohol use were contributing factors.
部队里很多岗位就是对女性降低标准选进去的 我也认识女军官 17岁高中就在COVID期间跃升为快餐店店长了 人家各方面很优秀 现在管着两百多人 做地勤后勤装备的 这种岗位Physical比男的差点没关系 但是很多岗位吧 确实需要男的上却降低标准搞dei 我不是说这个黑鹰飞行员啊 就单说部队现在的这个现状
川家的人？
什么脑子通过你们公司出事尊重家属得知了本次事件除了这位其他家属都没意见需要尊重！
你连原帖问的是什么都没看清楚，就跳出来装公知， 你们什么公司出这么多事连你都知道了有没有尊重家属意愿， 脑子不好使就别出来人身攻击，砸的是你自己。
比的就是事故率啊，又不是绝对数值。
男的开飞机比女的事故率高60%，男司机事故致死率比女司机高一倍呢？
批了个军装就可以为所欲为了？ 就可以突破200英尺限高在400英尺侵犯民航机降落航线了？ 陆军直升机据说是最无法无天 多次违规的
+1 是床铺亲戚吗？
我咋较着川普这个风格，想匿名就可以匿名吗？如果是他需要的人设，他马上就给你搞得满天飞，这个第三个飞行员一定来头不小而且肯定不是DEI，除了是女性，别的DEI一概不沾边
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不要侮辱“为国捐躯”4个字，这次特权军机高度超标违规进入民航通道，应付全责！ 几十人死在这个人手里虽然她自己也死了， 其美军主官单位难道不需要出来道个歉吗
男司机那么行，怎么还有那么多事故？
你这么说别人DEI是不同意的，以前有研究的说亚洲人平均智商最高，就被批了个狗血淋头
抬头看ID啊，这几个人有啥逻辑可言，利用一切可以利用的机会输出自己的政治观念呗，华人以后要少来了，最近好多都是这种人
这个报道可能有误，提到直升机第三个飞行员是Jonathan Campos，但是很多报道都明确说了Jonathan Campos是客机飞行员
这些都是现在大家的猜测。是不是真的违规飞行？这个违规飞行的决定是飞行员做的还是直升机上的教官做的？这是军队的问题还是个别飞行员的决定？明显现在的舆论，并不考虑这个问题，矛头直指这个直升机飞行员。他/她的家人也不在直升机上，无法为亲人辩护，所以决定等待调查结果，但是不希望这个军人为不切实的网络指责而蒙羞，有问题吗？
在没有军方和任何法律指控的今天，我选择做个人，体谅失去亲人的每一个事故受害者亲属的痛苦，这是一个人道的选择
等到事故调查结果公布，确定是直升机飞行员的责任，我再和你一起痛骂不迟！
这就是需要DEI的原因啊，对抗莫名其妙的偏见，而不是降低标准。
估计怕人报复他家吧
这位观点新奇，又不是战场，怎么是为国捐躯啊，死了那麽多无辜的平民百姓，人家的命也是命啊
因为Trump讽刺了她/他， 所以那些民主党党工们就要把她/他label 成为国捐躯圣女贞德。。。。。。 一切都是屁股，都是立场，就跟网友说的， 利用一切机会在这里输出自己的政治观点
这篇文章有误。 Johnathan Campos 是开民航的机长，不是直升飞机的。
你自己才是非得扯到党派争执去呢？我提了党派吗？川说的DEI也不是说的飞行员啊，说的是空管，两回事。
拍马屁都拍不到点子上，睁开你的狗眼，把我前面一楼说的看清楚了再来放屁！
已经找到黑鹰的 voice， data recorder了。
这个是最直接的证据，看看撞击前一两分钟驾驶舱内仨哥们/姐们们在说啥 俺不负责任猜测，在聊天聊得起劲呢
看看谁是国防部长，要是ABC或者任何符合DEI属性的早公布了。两个白男一开始也没公布（据此猜到是白男）。这位女性莫非是个金发白女或者裙带？所以不敢公布。
同意mm的观点 DEI的开始是有历史背景的 它对社会和大众观点的影响是很深远的 否则大量的少数族裔包括我们和我们的孩子根本不可能有现在的生活环境和机会 只是逐年以来 走得越来越远 尤其演变成“KPI”之后制造了大量的不公平和伤害 应该大幅度调整改革无可厚非 但完全取缔会发生什么 可以想见吧
中国高考给少数民族加分比较容易操作 毕竟有绝对分数在那搁着呢 而招聘、提升还有美国大学招生等没有绝对标准 操作起来的确难度相对较大
One of three soldiers aboard a Black Hawk helicopter that was involved in the deadly midair collision with an American Airlines flight Wednesday near Reagan National Airport outside Washington, D.C., was identified Saturday by the Army as 28-year-old Capt. Rebecca Lobach.
Lobach also served as a White House social aide during the Biden administration, Brown said. Just last month, she escorted Ralph Lauren through the White House when he was among those awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by former President Joe Biden.
The other two soldiers aboard the Black Hawk helicopter have been identified as Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Maryland, and Staff. Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Georgia, who was the chopper's crew chief.
The bodies of two of the three soldiers have so far been recovered from the wreckage of the Blackhawk helicopter, a law enforcement source familiar with the recovery efforts confirmed to CBS News Saturday. The source said the bodies – a man and a woman – were recovered sometime Friday.
The Black Hawk had taken off from nearby Fort Belvoir in Virginia, and was conducting a routine training mission at the time of the collision that killed 67 people, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth disclosed.
"A routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor for a continuity of government mission. The military does dangerous things. It does routine things on a regular basis," Hegseth said Thursday. "Tragically, last night a mistake was made."
The cause is under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration.
我之前看到的报道是说直升机3个人的遗体已经全部捞起来了，还有黑鹰上配备的黑匣子。
Captain Rebecca Lobach was 28 years old and a native of Durham, N.C. She was a distinguished military graduate from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and commissioned in 2019 as an active-duty aviation officer.
She died along with fellow pilot Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Md. and crew member Staff Sergeant Ryan O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Ga.
－定是DEI进去的。嗯？
美国的标准都不是硬性标准，客观标准，方便负责人做主观决定。
本来不太清楚，但家属这么说难免不让人起疑
事故结果报告很久才会出来。公众等不了那么久。现在就是要指责这个开黑鹰的，因为这是目前已知情况的最佳推断。如果结果出来了不一样，公众也可以改啊。谁叫政府调查这么慢。
当兵在美帝也没有多香，不需 DEI； 至于 White House social aide 另说，也只是短期临时担任
Lobach was a native of Durham, North Carolina, and enlisted in the North Carolina Army National Guard while in college in December 2018, a friend, 1st Lt. Samantha Brown, told CBS News.
She attended Sewanee: The University of the South, where she played basketball, and then later the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where she completed a degree in biology in 2019 as a distinguished military graduate
虽然少数民族减分入学，也是要达到一样的标准毕业。可是美国不少某族人想要处处搞特殊降低标准毕业啊，还理直气壮的。
这数字听起来太少了，一个月还不到一天？这种真的是菜鸟吧，民航机长都是几千小时起步，不懂军用飞机的飞行员怎么那么少经验
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白女在美国升迁很快的，机会也多。我认识一个白女，一门core course选了四次也过不了，已经在honeywell做了manager, 一周工作20个小时。她只要拿到学位，就会以火箭的速度，升迁。不过，我不知道她有没有拿到本科学位。
这女飞行员只有不到500小时的经验，却已经是Captain了，社交媒体上已经开始怀疑她的资历了。
很优秀的飞行员。有个疑问，那篇文章说她作为white house social aide hosted countless events。那如果时间花在这上面，会不会飞得少，生疏了呢？
更值得怀疑的是现在已经找不到她的任何social media了。为什么？还是当初不公布好有时间去处理她的social media。
她当过Biden的白宫社交助理，估计发表过反对Trump的言论，说句政治不正确的话，她有可能就是DEI, 因为她的经验看起来好少。
结果一查DEI最后受益的全是白女这下尴尬了
我们公司（几万人大公司） 有好几个白女半年升一次职。真的是半年。你敢信？ 三年直接从manager - senior manager - director - senior director- VP - senior VP 变成senior VP. ( 我们行业VP 非常有含金量）
而且光我知道的就有三个类似的。做火箭一样。啥事儿不干就是开会，升职+ 排除异己（ 中间有不少离开的）
我觉得是的。该删除的先删除了。应她family 的要求。但是她直接（都不能说间接了） 害死这么多人死后还能留时间去删除网络痕迹。六七十个受害者连家人都没见到最后一面。也算是白女特权了。要是黑女亚女（不管啥裔的） 肯定第一时间公布throw her under the bus!
哈哈哈为国捐躯的洗地姿势也是吐了
更可能是 white privilege 才升那么快
这白女啥事不干就是开会 - 其实是出席会议，太有同感了。我的白女同事就是如此，实质上啥都不懂，就是schedule meeting, take meeting notes给她自己看，然后在其他事上做传声筒。然而老板总是说她好忙，不能overwhelme她，把该她干的活都让别人做，然后把属于别人的功劳与她同享, 职场上升潜力是大大的。