否则会因为川普对学生签证政策改变、可能再也回不来了。 Dear I-20 International Students: On Monday, January 20, 2025, all of you should be physically in the United States. Traveling outside the United States on or after that date is not advised. If you do decide to travel internationally after that date and you encounter difficulties with re-entry into the United States, there may be very little we in the Office of International Student Services can do to assist. If, for whatever reason you must travel internationally, please do so and have it completed before January 19, 2025. Make no plans to be outside the United States after that date. from Cornell university internationally Office
The Young Pioneers of China is run by the Communist Youth League, an organization of older youth that comes under the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The Young Pioneers of China is similar to Pioneer Movements that exist or existed in many Communist countries around the world. 不要告诉我你N400表格上回答的是no哦 这属于明文可以撤销国籍的misrepresentation行为
否则会因为川普对学生签证政策改变、可能再也回不来了。 Dear I-20 International Students: On Monday, January 20, 2025, all of you should be physically in the United States. Traveling outside the United States on or after that date is not advised. If you do decide to travel internationally after that date and you encounter difficulties with re-entry into the United States, there may be very little we in the Office of International Student Services can do to assist. If, for whatever reason you must travel internationally, please do so and have it completed before January 19, 2025. Make no plans to be outside the United States after that date. from Cornell university internationally Office tuldiyy 发表于 2024-11-12 02:42
helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-12 03:13 The Young Pioneers of China is run by the Communist Youth League, an organization of older youth that comes under the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The Young Pioneers of China is similar to Pioneer Movements that exist or existed in many Communist countries around the world. 不要告诉我你N400表格上回答的是no哦 这属于明文可以撤销国籍的misrepresentation行为
填YES或者填NO 这个本来就是自由心证 自己觉得affiliated就affiliated 自己不觉得就不觉得 你不要把人带偏。 这个答案不同于membership. Membership是一个明确的客观事实。 因为affliation指的是以出钱出力或者其他方式支持某个组织 强调的是sympathy和voluntory 这些都是移民局明文规定的。Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value 一个人参加过少先队 不等于他主动做出了正面的行为去支持了共产党。 你在中国出生长大，你的所有学校社区单位都是共产党的，这只代表你被共产党管理过，不代表你支持了共产党。
Wanfeiche 发表于 2024-11-12 11:07 填YES或者填NO 这个本来就是自由心证 自己觉得affiliated就affiliated 自己不觉得就不觉得 你不要把人带偏。 这个答案不同于membership. Membership是一个明确的客观事实。 因为affliation指的是以出钱出力或者其他方式支持某个组织 强调的是sympathy和voluntory 这些都是移民局明文规定的。Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value 一个人参加过少先队 不等于他主动做出了正面的行为去支持了共产党。 你在中国出生长大，你的所有学校社区单位都是共产党的，这只代表你被共产党管理过，不代表你支持了共产党。
问题是问你是不是affiliated with CCP 参加过少先队的人不一定affiliated with CCP. 比如说好多屁民 没参加过少先队也可以affiliated with CCP 比如说某些美国权贵 按你自己心里的想法填Yes/No Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-12 03:13 The Young Pioneers of China is run by the Communist Youth League, an organization of older youth that comes under the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The Young Pioneers of China is similar to Pioneer Movements that exist or existed in many Communist countries around the world. 不要告诉我你N400表格上回答的是no哦 这属于明文可以撤销国籍的misrepresentation行为
问题是问你是不是affiliated with CCP 参加过少先队的人不一定affiliated with CCP. 比如说好多屁民 没参加过少先队也可以affiliated with CCP 比如说某些美国权贵 按你自己心里的想法填Yes/No Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value Wanfeiche 发表于 2024-11-12 12:41
否则会因为川普对学生签证政策改变、可能再也回不来了。 Dear I-20 International Students: On Monday, January 20, 2025, all of you should be physically in the United States. Traveling outside the United States on or after that date is not advised. If you do decide to travel internationally after that date and you encounter difficulties with re-entry into the United States, there may be very little we in the Office of International Student Services can do to assist. If, for whatever reason you must travel internationally, please do so and have it completed before January 19, 2025. Make no plans to be outside the United States after that date. from Cornell university internationally Office tuldiyy 发表于 2024-11-12 02:42
Wanfeiche 发表于 2024-11-12 11:07 填YES或者填NO 这个本来就是自由心证 自己觉得affiliated就affiliated 自己不觉得就不觉得 你不要把人带偏。 这个答案不同于membership. Membership是一个明确的客观事实。 因为affliation指的是以出钱出力或者其他方式支持某个组织 强调的是sympathy和voluntory 这些都是移民局明文规定的。Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value 一个人参加过少先队 不等于他主动做出了正面的行为去支持了共产党。 你在中国出生长大，你的所有学校社区单位都是共产党的，这只代表你被共产党管理过，不代表你支持了共产党。
你有少先队的membership，少先队是共产党下属组织。这是千真万确的affiliation 移民法明确说了，凡事有嫌疑的人，必须自己证明自己属于那几个例外。你在这里“自由心证”是再次违法。 The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
川党都不用自由发挥。现有的移民法已经规定了，凡事跟共产党扯上关系的，必须自己证明自己属于以下exemption 被迫加入 16岁之前断绝关系 这些都是必须由申请人提供书面证明的。否则疑罪从有 川普只要宣布开始较真enforce这条法律，所有的大陆移民可以全部撤销国际，全部遣返。 The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
你有少先队的membership，少先队是共产党下属组织。这是千真万确的affiliation 移民法明确说了，凡事有嫌疑的人，必须自己证明自己属于那几个例外。你在这里“自由心证”是再次违法。 The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3 helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-12 16:08
川党都不用自由发挥。现有的移民法已经规定了，凡事跟共产党扯上关系的，必须自己证明自己属于以下exemption 被迫加入 16岁之前断绝关系 这些都是必须由申请人提供书面证明的。否则疑罪从有 川普只要宣布开始较真enforce这条法律，所有的大陆移民可以全部撤销国际，全部遣返。 The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3 helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-12 16:10
你有少先队的membership，少先队是共产党下属组织。这是千真万确的affiliation 移民法明确说了，凡事有嫌疑的人，必须自己证明自己属于那几个例外。你在这里“自由心证”是再次违法。 The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3 helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-12 16:08
你自创的定义挺新颖的。你好好看看美国移民法关于affiliation的定义。 Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value 看看你自己符合哪一条 你有interest吗 有sympathy吗 有voluntary行动吗 看到没有 interest/sympathy/voluntary这些全都是你心里面主观的东西 全靠你自由心证 如果你有这些想法 请你如实填写YES 如果你没有这些想法 只是被共产党管理过 不算affiliation 你这样鼓吹参加过少先队的人就要他们填YES 目的是让这些主动承认自己有interest 有sympathy 还voluntarily support。你真的确定这些人有interest/sympathy/voluntary support吗？ 你还挺会坑人的。
填YES或者填NO 这个本来就是自由心证 自己觉得affiliated就affiliated 自己不觉得就不觉得 你不要把人带偏。 这个答案不同于membership. Membership是一个明确的客观事实。 因为affliation指的是以出钱出力或者其他方式支持某个组织 强调的是sympathy和voluntory 这些都是移民局明文规定的。Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value 一个人参加过少先队 不等于他主动做出了正面的行为去支持了共产党。 你在中国出生长大，你的所有学校社区单位都是共产党的，这只代表你被共产党管理过，不代表你支持了共产党。
Wanfeiche 发表于 2024-11-12 11:07
選項 1 member 或 affiliate 且 2 共黨 或隨附組織 所以邏輯上就是 (member or affiliate) and ｏｆ( CCP ｏｒ 隨附組織） 所以 ｍｅｍｂｅｒ ｏｆ 隨附組織 也算
问题不是问你 are you a member of CCP or its affiliates ？
问题里面没有affiliates这个单词 是你自己加戏加的。
问题是 are you a member of CCP or are you affiliated with CCP? affiliated with CCP 移民局有严格定义： have interest about CCP。 have sympathy for CCP。 voluntarily did something to support CCP. 你符合这个定义吗？
问题不是问你 are you a member of CCP or its affiliates ？
问题里面没有affiliates这个单词 是你自己加戏加的。
问题是 are you a member of CCP or are you affiliated with CCP? affiliated with CCP 移民局有严格定义： have interest about CCP。 have sympathy for CCP。 voluntarily did something to support CCP. 你符合这个定义吗？
我说的原文是移民局的定义 Affiliation implies less than membership but more than sympathy. Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
Wanfeiche 发表于 2024-11-12 22:40 我说的原文是移民局的定义 Affiliation implies less than membership but more than sympathy. Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
你不要到处寻找别的野鸡定义 没用的 按移民局的定义为准
移民局網站事吧 我用google 翻譯一下
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3 一般來說，任何現在或曾經是共產黨或任何其他極權主義政黨（或分支或附屬機構）成員或附屬機構的移民，無論是國內還是國外，都是不可入境的。[1]這種不可入境理由有兩種例外情況，根據他們尋求的移民福利，某些人可以獲得有限的豁免。[2] In general, any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.[1] There are two exceptions to this ground of inadmissibility and a limited waiver available to certain persons depending on the immigration benefit they are seeking.[2]
8 USC 1182: Inadmissible aliens Text contains those laws in effect on November 11, 2024 https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1182&num=0&edition=prelim (D) Immigrant membership in totalitarian party (i) In general Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible. (ii) Exception for involuntary membership Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that the membership or affiliation is or was involuntary, or is or was solely when under 16 years of age, by operation of law, or for purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other essentials of living and whether necessary for such purposes. (iii) Exception for past membership Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that- (I) the membership or affiliation terminated at least- (a) 2 years before the date of such application, or (b) 5 years before the date of such application, in the case of an alien whose membership or affiliation was with the party controlling the government of a foreign state that is a totalitarian dictatorship as of such date, and (II) the alien is not a threat to the security of the United States. (iv) Exception for close family members The Attorney General may, in the Attorney General's discretion, waive the application of clause (i) in the case of an immigrant who is the parent, spouse, son, daughter, brother, or sister of a citizen of the United States or a spouse, son, or daughter of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest if the immigrant is not a threat to the security of the United States.
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3 一般來說，任何現在或曾經是共產黨或任何其他極權主義政黨（或分支或附屬機構）成員或附屬機構的移民，無論是國內還是國外，都是不可入境的。[1]這種不可入境理由有兩種例外情況，根據他們尋求的移民福利，某些人可以獲得有限的豁免。[2] In general, any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.[1] There are two exceptions to this ground of inadmissibility and a limited waiver available to certain persons depending on the immigration benefit they are seeking.[2] phlin 发表于 2024-11-12 22:45
不要转移和混淆话题 问题问的是have been ever been a member of CCP or have you ever been affiliated with CCP? 这个问题只涉及CCP本身 跟其他组织无关 如果你只是按照学校老师的要求参加队员团员 没有其他想法和主动支持的行为 按移民局的定义你应该填NO 至于你在CCP以外的其他组织，如少先队，共青团等的membership 是否影响你的签证 是移民申请表另外一个问题决定的，你知道另外一个问题问你关于你参加过的所有组织吧 把你的所有参加过组织列出来就行了 移民局自然会处理的。所有的中国组织都是CCP的附属组织。
8 USC 1182: Inadmissible aliens Text contains those laws in effect on November 11, 2024 https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1182&num=0&edition=prelim (D) Immigrant membership in totalitarian party (i) In general Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible. (ii) Exception for involuntary membership Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that the membership or affiliation is or was involuntary, or is or was solely when under 16 years of age, by operation of law, or for purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other essentials of living and whether necessary for such purposes. (iii) Exception for past membership Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that- (I) the membership or affiliation terminated at least- (a) 2 years before the date of such application, or (b) 5 years before the date of such application, in the case of an alien whose membership or affiliation was with the party controlling the government of a foreign state that is a totalitarian dictatorship as of such date, and (II) the alien is not a threat to the security of the United States. (iv) Exception for close family members The Attorney General may, in the Attorney General's discretion, waive the application of clause (i) in the case of an immigrant who is the parent, spouse, son, daughter, brother, or sister of a citizen of the United States or a spouse, son, or daughter of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest if the immigrant is not a threat to the security of the United States. phlin 发表于 2024-11-12 22:51
Wanfeiche 发表于 2024-11-12 18:00 你自创的定义挺新颖的。你好好看看美国移民法关于affiliation的定义。 Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value 看看你自己符合哪一条 你有interest吗 有sympathy吗 有voluntary行动吗 看到没有 interest/sympathy/voluntary这些全都是你心里面主观的东西 全靠你自由心证 如果你有这些想法 请你如实填写YES 如果你没有这些想法 只是被共产党管理过 不算affiliation 你这样鼓吹参加过少先队的人就要他们填YES 目的是让这些主动承认自己有interest 有sympathy 还voluntarily support。你真的确定这些人有interest/sympathy/voluntary support吗？ 你还挺会坑人的。
行了，知道你英文不好了 more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support 这句话说的是，interest 或者sympathy不重要，看你有没有实际的action 最重要 而证明你没有这些action的burden of proof，在申请人自己身上 所以，只要美国政府想查，每个前中国人都必须提供书面证明，证明自己没有加入过少先队，没有参加过少先队的活动 用脑子想想，你能开出这样的证明么？
行了，知道你英文不好了 more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support 这句话说的是，interest 或者sympathy不重要，看你有没有实际的action 最重要 而证明你没有这些action的burden of proof，在申请人自己身上 所以，只要美国政府想查，每个前中国人都必须提供书面证明，证明自己没有加入过少先队，没有参加过少先队的活动 用脑子想想，你能开出这样的证明么？ helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-13 13:14
知道你英文不好了。Inadmissibly的举证责任永远在申请人身上。根本没有追不追查一说。只要你撒过谎，你就是inadmissable，就可以依法除籍denaturalize The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
知道你英文不好了。Inadmissibly的举证责任永远在申请人身上。根本没有追不追查一说。只要你撒过谎，你就是inadmissable，就可以依法除籍denaturalize The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3 helloterran4 发表于 2024-11-13 18:25
Dear I-20 International Students:
On Monday, January 20, 2025, all of you should be physically in the United States. Traveling outside the United States on or after that date is not advised. If you do decide to travel internationally after that date and you encounter difficulties with re-entry into the United States, there may be very little we in the Office of International Student Services can do to assist.
If, for whatever reason you must travel internationally, please do so and have it completed before January 19, 2025. Make no plans to be outside the United States after that date.
from Cornell university internationally Office
是的 以前中東學生 到美國一 次就是五年 甚至十年 沒拿到學位根本不敢離開美國
彰显我们蓝皮绿卡的巨大优越性。
机票价格下跌，利好我们蓝皮绿卡回国探亲，减少开支。
是喔
過兩個月我可能得跑一趟美國
這年頭真是不想搭十幾個小時的飛機了
現在全世界都像美國了 更何況是美國
绿卡不能超半年。如果祖国给我们美华中国绿卡，我就入籍，不就妥了？
可以坐商务舱。或者做747/空客，空间比较大。
The Young Pioneers of China is run by the Communist Youth League, an organization of older youth that comes under the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The Young Pioneers of China is similar to Pioneer Movements that exist or existed in many Communist countries around the world.
不要告诉我你N400表格上回答的是no哦
这属于明文可以撤销国籍的misrepresentation行为
以前我本來想申請綠卡(2001?)
結果那時剛好改政策
說申請到的綠卡 又不終身 又一堆限制
算了
還是回台灣找老婆實在些
我記得我小時沒在脖子上掛個 紅圍巾
還好不會被誤會成 少先隊 或 團派
商務艙好像不能報銷 畢竟我不是部長級的
回頭可能弄個 鼻上空氣濾清器
不要说F1 H1B这种需要去使馆拿签证才能回来的 就算绿卡，也得小心吧？
fake news? source? 英语像我们反钓鱼IT培训的案例
from Cornell university internationally Office --- 你觉得呢？连名称都有语法错误
就算naturalized公民都得小心了 就算是生在美国的非白人公民都得小心了
填YES或者填NO 这个本来就是自由心证 自己觉得affiliated就affiliated 自己不觉得就不觉得 你不要把人带偏。 这个答案不同于membership. Membership是一个明确的客观事实。
因为affliation指的是以出钱出力或者其他方式支持某个组织 强调的是sympathy和voluntory 这些都是移民局明文规定的。Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
一个人参加过少先队 不等于他主动做出了正面的行为去支持了共产党。
你在中国出生长大，你的所有学校社区单位都是共产党的，这只代表你被共产党管理过，不代表你支持了共产党。
这可由不了你怎么想，关键是川党们怎么认定，说你是你就是。
你按照事实实话实说就行 他们可以认定你是任何东西 这个你管不着
如果你没超速，难道因为你担心别人认定你超速 你就主动说你超速了？
这是个什么东西？什么是 " internationally office"?
我从少先队开始填起的。我这点就是好不骗人。
问题是问你是不是affiliated with CCP
参加过少先队的人不一定affiliated with CCP. 比如说好多屁民
没参加过少先队也可以affiliated with CCP 比如说某些美国权贵
按你自己心里的想法填Yes/No
Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
对 denaturalization 就可以用这个
我们以前也是，留学签证就半年，谁敢回去
选Yes，跟ccp有关系，遣返。 选No，撒谎，遣返。 想搞你还管你这个那个的。 跟中国沾边的在川党眼里就是原罪!
这个信的语气怎么读起来这么别扭，ChatGPT都比这个写的好。
真的不是编故事吗
你有少先队的membership，少先队是共产党下属组织。这是千真万确的affiliation
移民法明确说了，凡事有嫌疑的人，必须自己证明自己属于那几个例外。你在这里“自由心证”是再次违法。
The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
川党都不用自由发挥。现有的移民法已经规定了，凡事跟共产党扯上关系的，必须自己证明自己属于以下exemption
被迫加入 16岁之前断绝关系
这些都是必须由申请人提供书面证明的。否则疑罪从有
川普只要宣布开始较真enforce这条法律，所有的大陆移民可以全部撤销国际，全部遣返。
The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
你就说你一直反共产党，当时在慢慢收集情报，给美国做地下工作。
到这个级别的时候，你留下还有意思吗？等着成为二战时的犹太人？ 这个时候，即使不让走都要走吧
不是所有人都是党员 但是几乎所有人都曾是少先队员
等着所有少先队员被遣返的那天..
你自创的定义挺新颖的。你好好看看美国移民法关于affiliation的定义。 Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
看看你自己符合哪一条
你有interest吗 有sympathy吗 有voluntary行动吗
看到没有 interest/sympathy/voluntary这些全都是你心里面主观的东西 全靠你自由心证
如果你有这些想法 请你如实填写YES
如果你没有这些想法 只是被共产党管理过 不算affiliation
你这样鼓吹参加过少先队的人就要他们填YES 目的是让这些主动承认自己有interest 有sympathy 还voluntarily support。你真的确定这些人有interest/sympathy/voluntary support吗？
你还挺会坑人的。
選項
1 member 或 affiliate
且 2 共黨 或隨附組織
所以邏輯上就是
(member or affiliate) and ｏｆ( CCP ｏｒ 隨附組織）
所以 ｍｅｍｂｅｒ ｏｆ 隨附組織 也算
也就是說 你只要是 隨附組織的 成員 也算
少先隊 畢竟未成年 不能為自己負責 事後要退出 大家也知道等於是簽了一張去新疆採棉花的車票
實務上太難了
但 團派 特別是十八歲以上的中國共產主義青年團團員 應該是逃不掉了
共青團員 七千多萬啊
中國共產主義青年團申請人的加入年齡必須介於14歲至28歲間[5]，共青團同時還主導和監督以14歲以下兒童組成的先鋒組織中國少年先鋒隊[3]。截至2023年12月底，全國共有共青團員7416.7萬名，共青團組織431.6萬個。 其中，團的地方委員會0.3萬個，基層團（工）委19.3萬個，團（總）支部412.0萬個。 學校團組織190.5萬個，團員3824.5萬名；企業團組織91.0萬個，團員721.0萬名；機關事業單位團組織36.0萬個，團員441.9萬名；城市街道、鄉鎮、社區（居委會）、行政村團組織94.2萬個，團員2173.7萬名；社會組織和其他領域團組織19.9萬個，團員255.6萬名。[6]中國共產主義青年團是世界上規模最大的青年組織之一。
CCP ｏｒ 隨附組織
or 后面的内容是你自己加戏加的
问的就是是否是CCP member 或者affiliated with CCP
没有问你是不是 隨附組織 的member
中国所有的组织都是CCP的隨附組織 比如说你的小学 中学 大学 工作单位 等等
ａｆｆｉｌｉａｔｅｓ 就是隨附組織啊
问题不是问你 are you a member of CCP or its affiliates ？
问题里面没有affiliates这个单词 是你自己加戏加的。
问题是 are you a member of CCP or are you affiliated with CCP?
affiliated with CCP 移民局有严格定义： have interest about CCP。 have sympathy for CCP。 voluntarily did something to support CCP.
你符合这个定义吗？
原文也沒有 ｓｙｍｐａｔｈｙ 啊 原文是 ａｆｆｉｌｉａｔｅｄ ｃｏｎｎｅｃｔｅｄ ｗｉｔｈ ｏｒ ｃｏｔｒｏｌｌｅｄ 所以 共青團團員 ｃｏｎｎｅｄｔｅｄ ｗｉｔｈ 共青團 （ 因為是成員） 然後共青團又被 ＣＣＰ controlled 沒毛病 胡錦濤都被拖出去了 肯定是被 controlled
我就說了 當年要是 黨 派個 原生女性的 解放軍美少女 到芝大來收編我 那我就合這條件了
可千萬別派 千年千倍自願的 蝴蝶君啊.... 特別是這網上站出來大喊自願的那幾個
我说的原文是移民局的定义 Affiliation implies less than membership but more than sympathy. Affiliation includes more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support, money, or another thing of value
你不要到处寻找别的野鸡定义 没用的 按移民局的定义为准
移民局網站事吧
我用google 翻譯一下
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
一般來說，任何現在或曾經是共產黨或任何其他極權主義政黨（或分支或附屬機構）成員或附屬機構的移民，無論是國內還是國外，都是不可入境的。[1]這種不可入境理由有兩種例外情況，根據他們尋求的移民福利，某些人可以獲得有限的豁免。[2]
In general, any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.[1] There are two exceptions to this ground of inadmissibility and a limited waiver available to certain persons depending on the immigration benefit they are seeking.[2]
看語詞解釋多無聊
上 法條
(D) 極權政黨中的移民成員 (一) 整體情況 任何現在或曾經是共產黨或任何其他極權主義政黨（或其分支或附屬機構）成員或隸屬關係的移民，無論是國內還是國外，均不可入境。 (ii) 非自願會員資格的例外情況 如果外國人在申請簽證時使領事官員滿意（或在申請入境時使總檢察長滿意）證明該外國人的會員資格或從屬關係，則第（i）款不適用於因會員資格或從屬關係的外國人現在或曾經是非自願的，或現在或曾經只是在未滿 16 歲時，根據法律的規定，或為了獲得就業、口糧或其他生活必需品的目的，以及是否為此類目的所必需。 (iii) 過去會員資格的例外情況 如果外國人在申請簽證時使領事官員滿意（或在申請入境時使總檢察長滿意），則第（i）款不適用於因會員資格或隸屬關係而適用的外國人： (I) 會員資格或附屬關係至少在以下情況下終止： (a) 此類申請日期前 2 年，或 (b) 在申請之日前5年，如果外國人的成員資格或隸屬關係是控制外國政府的一方，而該外國政府在該申請之日是極權獨裁國家，並且
（二）該外國人不對美國的安全構成威脅。 (iv) 近親家庭成員的例外 如果移民是美國公民或其配偶的父母、配偶、兒子、女兒、兄弟或姊妹，司法部長可酌情放棄第 (i) 條的適用出於人道主義目的而合法獲得永久居留權的外國人的子女、兒子或女兒，以確保家庭團聚，或在其他情況下符合公共利益（如果該移民不會對美國的安全構成威脅）。
8 USC 1182: Inadmissible aliens Text contains those laws in effect on November 11, 2024
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1182&num=0&edition=prelim
(D) Immigrant membership in totalitarian party (i) In general Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible. (ii) Exception for involuntary membership Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that the membership or affiliation is or was involuntary, or is or was solely when under 16 years of age, by operation of law, or for purposes of obtaining employment, food rations, or other essentials of living and whether necessary for such purposes. (iii) Exception for past membership Clause (i) shall not apply to an alien because of membership or affiliation if the alien establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer when applying for a visa (or to the satisfaction of the Attorney General when applying for admission) that- (I) the membership or affiliation terminated at least- (a) 2 years before the date of such application, or (b) 5 years before the date of such application, in the case of an alien whose membership or affiliation was with the party controlling the government of a foreign state that is a totalitarian dictatorship as of such date, and
(II) the alien is not a threat to the security of the United States. (iv) Exception for close family members The Attorney General may, in the Attorney General's discretion, waive the application of clause (i) in the case of an immigrant who is the parent, spouse, son, daughter, brother, or sister of a citizen of the United States or a spouse, son, or daughter of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest if the immigrant is not a threat to the security of the United States.
不要转移和混淆话题
问题问的是have been ever been a member of CCP or have you ever been affiliated with CCP? 这个问题只涉及CCP本身 跟其他组织无关 如果你只是按照学校老师的要求参加队员团员 没有其他想法和主动支持的行为 按移民局的定义你应该填NO
至于你在CCP以外的其他组织，如少先队，共青团等的membership 是否影响你的签证 是移民申请表另外一个问题决定的，你知道另外一个问题问你关于你参加过的所有组织吧 把你的所有参加过组织列出来就行了 移民局自然会处理的。所有的中国组织都是CCP的附属组织。
我们在讨论的是少先队员填NO是否misrepresenting 不是讨论少先队员能否移民。少先队员可以移民这是一个定论。 因为它符合多个exception。 因为早已经退出了而且是无意义的membership。
你不要把不同的问题混淆起来。
不要无意义的刷屏
我们在讨论的是少先队员填NO是否misrepresenting
不是讨论少先队员能否移民。少先队员可以移民这是一个定论。 因为它符合多个exception。 因为早已经退出了而且是无意义的membership。
你不要把不同的问题混淆起来。
笑死，众所周知，少先队天天唱队歌，敬队礼。
少先队队歌第一句话就是“我们是共产主义接班人”
你脑子乱也不要东一榔头西一榔头的跳针。自己看法律原文。对你这种有嫌疑的人，需要你自己证明你没有参加过任何少先队活动，没有唱过队歌，没有加入过共青团，没有参加过任何共青团组织的运动。
不好意思 唱队歌，敬队礼只是学校的规定 不能证明那个儿童对共产党有兴趣 同情共产党 或者志愿支持共产党
你这种脑子乱的人，可以自己填YES证明你对共产党有兴趣 同情共产党 或者志愿作出过行动支持共产党 这就叫自由心证 自信一点大胆说出你内心的想法
行了，知道你英文不好了
more than mere interest or sympathy for an organization but may also be accompanied by some positive and voluntary action that provides support
这句话说的是，interest 或者sympathy不重要，看你有没有实际的action 最重要
而证明你没有这些action的burden of proof，在申请人自己身上
所以，只要美国政府想查，每个前中国人都必须提供书面证明，证明自己没有加入过少先队，没有参加过少先队的活动
用脑子想想，你能开出这样的证明么？
知道你英文不好了
这句话是说 有了interest 和 sympathy 还不够 还要有行action 而且要是自愿的voluntary action
interest sympathy 和是否自愿都是心理活动
关于心理活动的唯一有效证据就是当事人的证词啦
不需要证明参加过少先队哦 大家都知道中国人都参加过 你不需要证明
你用脑子想想吧
而且你不要转移话题哦 申请绿卡的时候 少先队员举证证明自己可以移民早已经举证完了 移民局已经满意了批准了。
现在你鼓吹的是移民局要追查有没有撒谎 这个是需要移民局来举证的哦
知道你英文不好了。Inadmissibly的举证责任永远在申请人身上。根本没有追不追查一说。只要你撒过谎，你就是inadmissable，就可以依法除籍denaturalize
The burden of proof to establish admissibility when seeking an immigration benefit is always on the applicant.[48] The burden never shifts to the Government at any time during adjudication
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-f-chapter-3
知道你英文不好了 连自己贴的原文都看不懂吧 教你几点
第一 admissibility举证责任在于申请人。不是你说的Inadmissibility 举证责任在于申请人。 没有任何申请人会傻到去举证说自己inadmissible
第二 admissibility举证责任仅限于当初申请的时候 你仔细看清楚你自己贴的原文也写了吧 (when seeking an immigration benefit) 现在申请早已结束了 申请人没有任何举证责任 明白吧
第三。 任何时候移民局能证明申请人以前的申请表格不实，而且它还能证明这个不实影响了当初申请结果 它是可以撤销身份 移民局就指望你去帮它举证了哦
就看法條啊
所以現在問題是
少先隊員 滿不滿足 法條中不讓入境的規定?
共青團員 滿不滿足?
共產黨員沒問題 肯定滿足
我覺得 少先隊員 沒滿十六歲肯定不滿足
共青團員 滿十六歲 肯定滿足
當然解釋權在 美國海關
中國共產主義青年團是中國共產黨領導的先進青年的群眾組織，是廣大青年在實踐中學習中國特色社會主義和共產主義的學校，是中國共產黨的助手和后備軍。
中國共產主義青年團是中國共產黨領導的先進青年的群眾組織，是廣大青年在實踐中學習中國特色社會主義和共產主義的學校，是中國共產黨的助手和后備軍。
少先隊員
是 自願的 不過未滿十六歲 自願 也被當成非自願
這邊有 共青團 沒有 少先隊員
https://hk.epochtimes.com/news/2020-10-05/43625114
一般來說，「共產黨或任何其它極權政黨」的「成員身份」，會使一個人可能沒有資格獲得綠卡。與共產黨有「關聯」的任何附屬組織的成員也一樣。 在中國大陸，此類組織包括較小的政黨團體和組織。例如，共青團、中華全國工商業聯合會、中華全國總工會、中華全國婦女聯合會。這些組織是由中共領導的，共產黨利用它們來滲透整個社會，並鼓勵民眾支持中共的政策。
共青團有超過7,000萬會員。幾乎所有的高中畢業生都是共青團員。
三個例外情況 可予以受理
首先，如果申請人的黨員或附屬組織成員身份，在申請之日起至少5年前終止，則該人的申請可被接納。如果申請者來自非共產黨執政的國家，則5年時間變為2年。 第二，如果黨員或附屬關係屬非自願性質的，則該人是可接納的，包括但不限於「外國人未滿16歲」或在必要時為了獲得工作、食物配給或其它生活必需品。鑒於當前中國的經濟狀況，可能很難證明中共黨員身份是獲得生活必需品的「必要」條件。 第三，一個人如果與黨的交往是「沒有意義的」，那是可予以受理的。這意味著他或她缺乏「對共產主義的政治和思想信念的承諾」。這是一項由司法制定的規則。很難找到案例是符合此特例的。
當然三退的說法是
如果你加入過 共青團 共產黨
最好去某網站 三退一下 會有證明
有人說 共青團 半年不繳團費 自動退團 至於這個 美國海關認不認 得等著看案例了
現在應該海關頂多只抓到 共產黨員 還沒打算動到 共青團員
少先队员如实填报后能不能移民不是我们在讨论的问题。 大家都知道在参加过的组织列表里填少先队共青团不影响移民。 无数人证明了的事实。包括川普时代。
我们在讨论的是 在参加过的组织列表里填少先队共青团以后 后面还有另外一个问题关于是否affiliated with CCP 应该填YES还是NO？
正确答案是：这个因人而异。你根据你自己的想法填 如果你曾经真心支持或CCP就填YES. 如果只是按上面要求入队入团其实并没真心支持 就填NO
難說
川普一點零 沒動 共青團
但川普2.0 難說
不過話說回來
光是 共產黨員 全動了 也是大事 的確應該不會動到共青團元
我覺得只要沒入過 共產黨 年輕時入隊入團
在 共產黨員都被認真處理之前 的確不用勾選
队员团员们： Are you affiliated with CCP? 考验你思想水平的时候到了
填YES就代表你衷心支持CCP 填NO就代表你只是服从CCP统治
自己选吧
每一代還不一樣
被封城關起來三年的大學生 沒事幹騎腳踏車 上洛 然後被關起來的大學生
與 之前還有除夕假可放的大學生
應該會有不同的想法
是了 問題 在方向 從鄭州出發 到洛陽 上洛應該向西騎 如紅箭頭 向左
向東騎到開封 變成離開洛陽 如藍箭頭 向右也就是 潤洛了
這個
寧左勿右啊 學生騎錯了
不是
上洛 是
潤洛