还请楼主多提供些facts。虽然个人认为低月份的流产应该是基本人权，但这个case感觉就是医疗事故malpractice。孕妇是死于感染，而不是不能abortion。另外，德州是可以根据medical condition来医疗流产的。下面是从Texas政府网站copy的。如果需要abortion才能救治这个孕妇而医院没做，是医疗事故。医生救了，但是胎儿却死了，按下面条款是不会收到检方起诉。 楼主不要被骗了。用傲慢偏见以及谎言来煽动仇恨的做法是典型极左极右惯用手段。 Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There is an exception for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. In order for the exception to apply, three factors must be met: A licensed physician must perform the abortion. The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter. The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.
还请楼主多提供些facts。虽然个人认为低月份的流产应该是基本人权，但这个case感觉就是医疗事故malpractice。孕妇是死于感染，而不是不能abortion。另外，德州是可以根据medical condition来医疗流产的。下面是从Texas政府网站copy的。如果需要abortion才能救治这个孕妇而医院没做，是医疗事故。医生救了，但是胎儿却死了，按下面条款是不会收到检方起诉。 楼主不要被骗了。用傲慢偏见以及谎言来煽动仇恨的做法是典型极左极右惯用手段。 Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There is an exception for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. In order for the exception to apply, three factors must be met: A licensed physician must perform the abortion. The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter. The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.
emirage 发表于 2024-10-31 19:19
这些facts为什么需要楼主提供？自己不会搜吗？到处都是新闻。一会儿说让楼主提供facts，一会儿说让楼主不要被骗了，逻辑在哪里🧐？ 这个孕妇的感染就是因为miscarriage 没有被及时处理而导致的： Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy. The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica. But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.” For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
emirage 发表于 2024-10-31 19:19 还请楼主多提供些facts。虽然个人认为低月份的流产应该是基本人权，但这个case感觉就是医疗事故malpractice。孕妇是死于感染，而不是不能abortion。另外，德州是可以根据medical condition来医疗流产的。下面是从Texas政府网站copy的。如果需要abortion才能救治这个孕妇而医院没做，是医疗事故。医生救了，但是胎儿却死了，按下面条款是不会收到检方起诉。 楼主不要被骗了。用傲慢偏见以及谎言来煽动仇恨的做法是典型极左极右惯用手段。 Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There is an exception for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. In order for the exception to apply, three factors must be met: A licensed physician must perform the abortion. The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter. The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.
开眼了。 life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter. life-threatening 是谁定义的？ 如果医生只是认为你死不了，但是会痛苦的熬着，在医院出血40小时，让胎儿自己流产，而不是辅助完成。完全没必要的耽误了治疗导致后面的感染。 At-risk 是谁来定义的？ 什么是at risk，有百分之十的几率会大出血死亡，算at risk吗？ 百分之五呢，百分之一呢？ 明明应该让医生不受限制的治疗，施救，按照他们的医学常识来，却被一道政令变成了枷锁。 这个案例恰恰证明了，只有“life-threaten”情况下才流产是多可笑的事情。 很多情况引发，诱发其他不必要的疾病感染。 如果不人工干预流产，而是让胎儿自动流产不会死但是会失去子宫，这样就可以了吗？这个标准可以接受吗？女人的生育不仅要被剥夺，还要被掌控在你们这种无耻的人手中，轻飘飘一句，当时不是没有生命危险嘛。
tomjust 发表于 2024-10-31 19:28 这些facts为什么需要楼主提供？自己不会搜吗？到处都是新闻。一会儿说让楼主提供facts，一会儿说让楼主不要被骗了，逻辑在哪里🧐？ 这个孕妇的感染就是因为miscarriage 没有被及时处理而导致的： Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy. The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica. But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.” For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
所以要早点去，试纸自测怀孕就该搬去蓝州的，所有产检蓝州做，有任何问题可以马上解决，别等要流产了才走。
话说回来，如果晚了，流产前去，若是自己老婆或女儿的生命，还管啥别的，为朋友啥的是不愿意的，家人的生命高于一切，这新闻里如果孕妇是这ob doctor的女儿，我看他会不救！
还有宫外孕的情况，不干预也是要人命的，现在连常识都要辩一辩，真的越来越看不懂这个世界
我靠美国妇女生存攻略都出来了。反正Orange man说啥我们无脑跟着就是了。千万不要给Orange man添麻烦。
they're not pro life, they're pro birth & pro control of women
这不需要金融大鳄吧，大多数这里的高学历华人姐妹都负担得起搬个家的，哪怕是鸡蛋涨价随口抱怨两句的华人也不一定是没钱
你流产了第一反应是打uber 去外周？ 你花花流血 哪个航空公司让你上飞机？ 哪个uber 看见了不是就近送医院。 有本事你生病了坐飞机去外州看
油件涨了2分 都要崩溃的华人川粉 有实力或者舍得去外州还租airbnb
说得好像有私人飞机随时等她一样
因为社会保护不了自己 自能从自己身边开始 比到时候打uber 坐飞机去外州租airbnb 容易
这对主楼不适用。她应该是子宫感染去ER，然后流产也是因为这个因素。遇到这个情况，平时开车去什么地方产检都好，这时按common sense是去最近的ER，谁知道这医院是催命的。
住红州的姐妹倒是要警觉，医生未必是完全为你考虑，遇到这个情况，甚至坚决出院买最快机票飞去蓝州救命也合算
高学历华人姐妹压根儿不需要大老远跑这么个落后地方来挣钱。走线的才需要。
那就是个川粉大妈，凭那点儿Orange 智商还想着忽悠高学历华人姐妹。
真能抬杠，明明是这种恶法在迫害女性，不去反对这种恶法，反而要求女性怀孕了，或者出了流产的意外要想办法逃走，这是什么生存环境啊
确实，哪里有prolific? 明明是pro fetus vs pro person
都是普通百姓，哪里有那么轻松说走就走？ 工作不要了？如果家里还有娃呢，扔下就走？
真以为都是70万贫困线帝都两套房的公主？
又蠢又坏！记得这个ID是支持Musk的
maga都这样，没烧到自己后院子她们不care
相信妇科医生还是相信你这个神棍，我想大家心里都有数。没有人性的东西，成天就只会装神弄鬼。
美国“祖宗之法不可变”，这个任务艰巨时日还长着捏！
看看一个禁枪法案，各州独立，让联邦滚一边去。你的理由喊了不知道多少年了，每次小学生校园枪击案来一次高潮，改了多少？
德州女的人数比男的少吗？ 德州人民投票的选择
社会迫害女性，女性就个想着割了老公，然后要从太监那里获得情绪支持，还是想伺候太监找情感需求啊？
所以说可怜又可叹，就像阿富汗的女性一样，不争不抢慢慢得只能依靠男人而活。
问题是德州人民没有选择去投啊， 你说这是民主吗？
有人说开车带人出州做流产，按德州法律是犯罪。
我问个技术问题，如果自己打uber，坐飞机走，那航空公司，uber也犯罪吗？
一帮情绪激动的，认为我给你提建议 😂 你多大的人了？
你反对恶法我支持，你么这么激动干啥？我加了难道你们不能打uber ，坐飞机。。。。吗？
我鼓励你们把德州女同学女同事，他们的妈妈婆婆劝发动起来，把老公的票抢过来，投票废除这个。
指望联邦废除这个，“美国之法不可变”有着悠久历史传统，几十年之内没这个可能。
不是民主选举的议员什么提出的，德州投票通过的？ 还是州长发个行政命令包办的？
你去看看是谁把Roe v. Wade废除的，就是老川任命那些大法官
只pro 没生出来的life 生出来的谁管你啊 看看校园枪击
热知识，限制堕胎权迫害最广泛的是那些主动想生育的妇女，而不是prolifer口中到处乱睡不做任何保护措施的人。
怀孕生育的过程本来就有很多未知风险，是女性不可控的，不是每个人每次怀孕都能幸运无阻一次成功。孕妇和胚胎健康问题也非常普遍，限制堕胎直接剥夺了这个最需要医疗系统帮助扶持的群体接受医疗救治的基本权利。这不是性自由问题，而是femicide问题。
堕胎如果犯罪化，将来妇女失去的基本人权绝对不限于性交和生育。说句难听的，你要是个女的走在路上被人打成重伤，送到医院都没人敢碰你，医生护士也是人，谁愿意养家糊口还要冒着卷入麻烦甚至犯罪的风险。要先检查你有没有怀孕，才能决定能不能进行正常救治，耽误的时间你可能早就嗝屁了。要是个孕妇那就直接成瘟神，只能自生自灭一尸两命。
确实是，很多川粉大妈至今还以为自己就是幸运的多数人。事不关己高高挂起！
德州只没戏了，只有死更多的人才能让他们清醒。我只希望这股倒行逆施的力量不要蔓延开来，高院，senate 都在他们手里，再让他当总统，很多看起来不可思议的政策推行起来毫无阻力！
还请楼主多提供些facts。虽然个人认为低月份的流产应该是基本人权，但这个case感觉就是医疗事故malpractice。孕妇是死于感染，而不是不能abortion。另外，德州是可以根据medical condition来医疗流产的。下面是从Texas政府网站copy的。如果需要abortion才能救治这个孕妇而医院没做，是医疗事故。医生救了，但是胎儿却死了，按下面条款是不会收到检方起诉。
楼主不要被骗了。用傲慢偏见以及谎言来煽动仇恨的做法是典型极左极右惯用手段。
Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There is an exception for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. In order for the exception to apply, three factors must be met: A licensed physician must perform the abortion. The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter. The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.
这些facts为什么需要楼主提供？自己不会搜吗？到处都是新闻。一会儿说让楼主提供facts，一会儿说让楼主不要被骗了，逻辑在哪里🧐？
这个孕妇的感染就是因为miscarriage 没有被及时处理而导致的：
Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy. The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica. But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.” For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria. Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
开眼了。
life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter.
life-threatening 是谁定义的？ 如果医生只是认为你死不了，但是会痛苦的熬着，在医院出血40小时，让胎儿自己流产，而不是辅助完成。完全没必要的耽误了治疗导致后面的感染。 At-risk 是谁来定义的？ 什么是at risk，有百分之十的几率会大出血死亡，算at risk吗？ 百分之五呢，百分之一呢？ 明明应该让医生不受限制的治疗，施救，按照他们的医学常识来，却被一道政令变成了枷锁。
这个案例恰恰证明了，只有“life-threaten”情况下才流产是多可笑的事情。 很多情况引发，诱发其他不必要的疾病感染。 如果不人工干预流产，而是让胎儿自动流产不会死但是会失去子宫，这样就可以了吗？这个标准可以接受吗？女人的生育不仅要被剥夺，还要被掌控在你们这种无耻的人手中，轻飘飘一句，当时不是没有生命危险嘛。
别激动！哪里有医疗记录说不能abortion了？按Texas的Section 170A.002威胁孕妇生命是可以abortion的。看你写的这些，是不是后来还是引产了呀？
不过又是他说她说！具体情况和那些扯皮的医疗事故没有区别呀！
我真的觉得自己幸运，我不会用到abortion。但是是个人都能共情那些需要abortion的女人。 当然肯定有女人不负责任，随便怀孕想打胎就打胎。但是这种人能有几个？打胎是及其伤害女人身体的，她们随意打胎最后也会用她们自己的身体付出代价。冥冥中老天爷早就制定了因果规则，用得着不会生的男人来“替天行道”吗？。不让他们打胎，生出来的孩子能幸福吗？投胎在这种人肚子里的孩子出生即地狱。人家未必愿意被prolife生出来呢。 再说，就因为这种极个别的例子，就绑架全部女人吗？宁可错杀1000不能放过一个。