Negotiate with Moscow to end the Ukraine war and prevent nuclear devastation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump Jr., opinion contributors - 09/17/24 7:30 AM ET The New York Times reported Thursday that the Biden administration is considering allowing Ukraine to use NATO-provided long-range precision weapons against targets deep inside Russia. Such a decision would put the world at greater risk of nuclear conflagration than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis. At a time when American leaders should be focused on finding a diplomatic off-ramp to a war that should never have been allowed to take place, the Biden-Harris administration is instead pursuing a policy that Russia says it will interpret as an act of war. In the words of Vladimir Putin, long-range strikes in Russia “will mean that NATO countries — the United States and European countries — are at war with Russia.” Some American analysts believe Putin is bluffing, and favor calling his bluff. As the Times reported, “‘Easing the restrictions on Western weapons will not cause Moscow to escalate,’17 former ambassadors and generals wrote in a letter to the administration this week. ‘We know this because Ukraine is already striking territory Russia considers its own — including Crimea and Kursk — with these weapons and Moscow’s response remains unchanged.’” These analysts are mistaking restraint for weakness. In essence, they are advocating a strategy of brinksmanship. Each escalation — from HIMARS to cluster munitions to Abrams tanks to F-16s to ATACMS — draws the world closer to the brink of Armageddon. Their logic seems to be that if you goad a bear five times and it doesn’t respond, it is safe to goad him even harder a sixth time. Such a strategy might be reasonable if the bear had no teeth. The hawks in the Biden administration seem to have forgotten that Russia is a nuclear power. They have forgotten the wisdom of John F. Kennedy, who said in 1963, “Nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war.” We should take this advice seriously. Putin has signaled numerous times that Russia would use nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances. In September 2022, Putin said, “If the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will without doubt use all available means to protect Russia and our people — this is not a bluff.” In March 2023, he struck a deal with Belarus to station tactical nuclear weapons there. Earlier this month, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov announced that Russia would be amending its nuclear doctrine in response to Western involvement in the Ukraine war. Imagine if Russia were providing another country with missiles, training and targeting information to strike deep into American territory. The U.S. would never tolerate it. We shouldn’t expect Russia to tolerate it either. This game of nuclear “chicken” has gone far enough. There is no remaining step between firing U.S. missiles deep into Russian territory and a nuclear exchange. We cannot get any closer to the brink than this. And for what? To “weaken Russia”? To control Ukraine’s minerals? No vital American interest is at stake. To risk nuclear conflict for the sake of the neoconservative fantasy of global “full-spectrum dominance” is madness. The war fever in the U.S. foreign policy establishment is at such a pitch that it is hard to tell whether they believe their own rhetoric. In last Tuesday’s debate, Vice President Kamala Harris conjured up images of Russian forces rolling across Europe. Surely she must know how absurd that is. For one thing, Russia can barely wrest a few provinces from Ukraine, which is by no means one of Europe’s great powers. Secondly, Russia made its war aims very clear at the outset — most notably Ukrainian neutrality and a halt to NATO’s eastward expansion. Hundreds of thousands of lost lives, and hundreds of billions of dollars later, no one is better off — not Europe, not America and certainly not Ukraine. It is past time to de-escalate this conflict. This is more important than any of the political issues our nation argues about. Nuclear war would mean the end of civilization as we know it, maybe even the end of the human species. Former President Donald Trump has vowed to end this war, but by the time he takes office, it might be too late. We need to demand, right now, that Harris and President Biden reverse their insane war agenda and open direct negotiations with Moscow. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an environmental lawyer and public health advocate. Donald Trump Jr. is executive vice president of the Trump Organization.
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump Jr., opinion contributors - 09/17/24 7:30 AM ET
The New York Times reported Thursday that the Biden administration is considering allowing Ukraine to use NATO-provided long-range precision weapons against targets deep inside Russia. Such a decision would put the world at greater risk of nuclear conflagration than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis. At a time when American leaders should be focused on finding a diplomatic off-ramp to a war that should never have been allowed to take place, the Biden-Harris administration is instead pursuing a policy that Russia says it will interpret as an act of war. In the words of Vladimir Putin, long-range strikes in Russia “will mean that NATO countries — the United States and European countries — are at war with Russia.” Some American analysts believe Putin is bluffing, and favor calling his bluff. As the Times reported, “‘Easing the restrictions on Western weapons will not cause Moscow to escalate,’17 former ambassadors and generals wrote in a letter to the administration this week. ‘We know this because Ukraine is already striking territory Russia considers its own — including Crimea and Kursk — with these weapons and Moscow’s response remains unchanged.’” These analysts are mistaking restraint for weakness. In essence, they are advocating a strategy of brinksmanship. Each escalation — from HIMARS to cluster munitions to Abrams tanks to F-16s to ATACMS — draws the world closer to the brink of Armageddon. Their logic seems to be that if you goad a bear five times and it doesn’t respond, it is safe to goad him even harder a sixth time. Such a strategy might be reasonable if the bear had no teeth. The hawks in the Biden administration seem to have forgotten that Russia is a nuclear power. They have forgotten the wisdom of John F. Kennedy, who said in 1963, “Nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war.” We should take this advice seriously. Putin has signaled numerous times that Russia would use nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances. In September 2022, Putin said, “If the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will without doubt use all available means to protect Russia and our people — this is not a bluff.” In March 2023, he struck a deal with Belarus to station tactical nuclear weapons there. Earlier this month, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov announced that Russia would be amending its nuclear doctrine in response to Western involvement in the Ukraine war. Imagine if Russia were providing another country with missiles, training and targeting information to strike deep into American territory. The U.S. would never tolerate it. We shouldn’t expect Russia to tolerate it either. This game of nuclear “chicken” has gone far enough. There is no remaining step between firing U.S. missiles deep into Russian territory and a nuclear exchange. We cannot get any closer to the brink than this. And for what? To “weaken Russia”? To control Ukraine’s minerals? No vital American interest is at stake. To risk nuclear conflict for the sake of the neoconservative fantasy of global “full-spectrum dominance” is madness. The war fever in the U.S. foreign policy establishment is at such a pitch that it is hard to tell whether they believe their own rhetoric. In last Tuesday’s debate, Vice President Kamala Harris conjured up images of Russian forces rolling across Europe. Surely she must know how absurd that is. For one thing, Russia can barely wrest a few provinces from Ukraine, which is by no means one of Europe’s great powers. Secondly, Russia made its war aims very clear at the outset — most notably Ukrainian neutrality and a halt to NATO’s eastward expansion. Hundreds of thousands of lost lives, and hundreds of billions of dollars later, no one is better off — not Europe, not America and certainly not Ukraine. It is past time to de-escalate this conflict. This is more important than any of the political issues our nation argues about. Nuclear war would mean the end of civilization as we know it, maybe even the end of the human species. Former President Donald Trump has vowed to end this war, but by the time he takes office, it might be too late. We need to demand, right now, that Harris and President Biden reverse their insane war agenda and open direct negotiations with Moscow.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an environmental lawyer and public health advocate. Donald Trump Jr. is executive vice president of the Trump Organization.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4882868-negotiate-with-moscow-to-end-the-ukraine-war-and-prevent-nuclear-devastation/
昨天看英国金融时报的报道，发现俄罗斯现在有核动力巡航导弹，已经进入随时可以发射打击的状态了。。。。。。。。核动力，理论上可以永续在天上飞着。
所以英国有点底气不足，说用美国远程武器前，绝不能用英国造的远程武器。德国，西班牙，挪威也表态，自己不掺和这事。法国的马克龙说打普京丫的，远程就远程！但我们法国没有远程可提供给乌克兰。现在全在拱着美国先上呢。
大帝又又又扩军了， 三次共扩军50万，这数字和乌克兰统计的消灭俄军60万相近。 巧和、真是巧合了….
普京签署总统令 将俄罗斯军事人员扩增至150万人
当地时间周一(9月16日)，俄罗斯总统普京签署了一项总统令，将俄罗斯武装力量的编制人数增加至2389130人，其中150万是现役军事人员。这是俄乌冲突以来，俄方第三次扩大军队规模。
普京上一次签署类似总统令是在2023年12月，当时他要求将俄罗斯武装力量编制人数增加至2209130人，其中包括132万名军事人员。 也就是说此次增加了18万军事人员，前两次则分别增加了13.7万人和17万人。
2022/02 开战 2022/08 6个月后扩编军事人员13.7万 2023/12 16个月后扩编军事人员17万 2024/09 9个月后扩编军事人员18万
环比间隔变短， 扩编人数增加…..
核弹有核弹的好处， 没有核弹， 第三次世界大战早开始了。
川普说普京敢用，拜登也说普京敢用。不知道你哪来的信心，说普京根本不敢用。
有些愚民就是盲目的自信， 核弹头来了， 吹口气就把核弹头原路吹回去了。 不要低估愚昧者的愚昧。
愚民就是不甘心失败，指望大弟姐夫的核武器当救命稻草
因为她们说正义必胜，面对侵略，戏子已经成为英雄。话说这是这个版两年前的主流。能坚持到今天，还挺有信念感的。
英国，法国，德国，西班牙，挪威的领导人也不如他自信。
版上一群ID帮大弟吹核弹得有个两年半了， 期间大弟的红线都画成红毯了， 还吹，。这嘴功不得不服
美国没有直接派兵参战，但美国直接给武器给钱参与了，而乌克兰没有美国这些武器和钱一天都支撑不下去，小肯尼迪和川川是美国纳税人，这么要求也无可厚非，当然拜拜政府是否愿意，那也是背后的军工金主说了算
核战真打起来， 德国波兰估计是第一批倒霉的。
核战争也没必要全球一起玩完， 先打出去两颗， 灭掉两个城市再说， 不行再灭掉 4 个。 肯定有先输不起的。
呵呵，你的担心可以理解 但是没有必要 美帝play这个game很在行的 敌进我退敌疲我扰的游戏将会继续一段时间
美帝等的是俄罗斯内部出问题 joe挂之前玻尿酸肯定被解决
川总越这样鼓捣，军队里人越明白他是大帝的puppet 很快小布什等大佬估计都出来让他闭嘴了
担心是应该的 毕竟独裁政府老大的面子大过天 但是putin不傻，只要他女儿还在，小老婆还搂在怀里，他是不会胡来的
现在核讹诈是唯一的办法，没事先用着，看看能不能拱川总上台
问题就是川总还不明白，这事他越参活，对他的选战有害无利
问题是现在老普直接出来支持哈哈姐，哈哈姐要是冻蒜，被独裁政府支持的哈哈姐政府可怎么说呢 lol
普京以为大家都是傻子哈哈。 哈里斯说的是她上台后会继续支持乌克兰。川普说的是他上台让俄乌马上停战，并且还说了如果他在台上普京会很开心。主持人问他承认不承认如果乌克兰赢了会对美国有利，他都不敢回答这个问题。太明显的俄奸了。所以他才会引起民愤，最近不是一个白男就想暗杀他了吗？他越明显地支持普京，他上台就越没希望。
飞凤姐不傻，但很执着洗脑模式，lol
不信等着11月份看结果呗。
结果是哈哈姐冻蒜是被老普支持的结果 lol
不合逻辑，再拱着美国上，先挨打的也是他们。
网上都说了，sb才会以为大帝支持vp
你的症状很像maga病毒
是么，那你很像轮毒了 lol
网上说啥就是啥呀 lol
a proof in no time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGj2meezsA
历史经验上看，外交政策能影响的选票很有限，有觉得他通俄而反对的，也有觉得他孤立主义节省军费而支持的，孰多孰少难说。
我觉得川家的这类发言不是为了赢得选票只是为了刷新闻。
连疮总现在都不拿大帝支持vp做文章了，只有黄疮还在觉得人比他们还傻，lol
nod 大家配合演戏
你说再送武器我就扔核弹了 欧美赶紧说‘不扔不扔’
下一步咋办 当然是继续常规肉搏呗
过三两月忽然发现 咦？怎么二毛又有武器了 美帝指德国 德国指英国 英国指以色列 玩一圈哑谜后继续肉搏 过一阵摸到莫斯科跟前了
大毛又要扔核弹了 欧美又开始拽二毛 支持谈判啊联合国讨论啊再来一轮 核蛋就再放放吧 你急眼了我就让步 你不嚷嚷了我就继续吃你豆腐 。。。
这就是个game 美帝擅长
已经700个老将军们签名表示疮总是国家安全威胁了 这个舆情是前所未有的
恰恰就是他这种爱刷新闻习惯会刷死他 拭目以待
川普应该明白，他不蠢是纯坏， 但川粉蠢啊，真的就信了
黄疮黄右真是丑不自知啊
现在不是前大统领+现大统领候选人在吹嘛
问题是拖下去谁会先撑不住？
你咋知道大选三天前的安排？
愚蠢。 用不用核当然要看局势发展， 又不是两年之前就决定了， 你不会这么蠢吧？
看看才两年就有这么多失败论和投降主义了。想想当年中国在几乎没有外援的情况下独自对抗日本十年之久才迎来美国参战，有多么的不容易。其实汪精卫的想法也不难理解。
因为他整容
当初也是说大毛没胆子入侵二毛的，大毛用的理由很简单，北约没有遵守不东扩的约定，所以大毛威胁说会用核武器，凭什么你觉得大毛在bluff？当初也说如果大毛打二毛会引发三战，不可能的，大毛不还是打了？现在大毛警告北约你打远程我就扔核弹，为啥大毛就一定不敢launch？还是怕三战？怕被分裂？试了几百年了都分裂不了，凭啥现在就能？
应对俄罗斯核威胁的最好方法是反威胁而不是服软
开战初期美国放话说如果俄罗斯用核， 黑海舰队将被团灭。 黑海舰队无了之后， 美国的表态是如果俄罗斯用核武器， 美国将立即摧毁俄罗斯的一切核设施。
事实都看到了， 俄罗斯红线无数次被践踏，直到现在被入侵43天也没有提用核武， 甚至将国土被入侵降调称作“恐怖袭击“。
俄罗斯有胆就扔出来， 可惜现在是一帮太监叫的欢， 比皇上都着急
没错，核弹对双方都是有震慑作用的，又不是只有普大帝有核弹
他们怎么敢，还指望着犹太人大佬给钱呢
大家不都知道普京那个话是反着说的，普京要是说支持川普，不就更坐实了他是川普的老板了吗
等了两年半还没等到核武器的毛，你接着等吧
普京现在在俄罗斯过的是皇帝的生活，你觉得他不知道他扔半个核弹，他就会得到十个核弹冲他扔过来？他舍得那皇帝的日子？
“如果俄罗斯用核， 黑海舰队将被团灭” 这叫威胁？
当然字面上来说这叫威胁。。。。但有意义么？ 就好像：“如果你打我家孩子，我就把你的帽子剪了”。。。你觉得这“威胁”有意义？
你不认为是威胁无所谓，你的看法不值一文，
事实是大弟姐夫在红线被踩无数次后现在、在国土被入侵43天后根本不提核武器， 反倒是满世界托人协调和谈。
is Donald Trump Jr the favorite son?
就是说你认为“如果你打我家孩子，我就把你的帽子剪了“这一类报复的程度远小于对方行为伤害程度的说法，是合理的威胁喽。。。
至于“大弟姐夫在红线被踩无数次后现在、在国土被入侵43天后根本不提核武器， 反倒是满世界托人协调和谈”， 倒真是无所谓，我又没和你争那个，我只是指出你前贴中提到的威胁方式很可笑而已。你觉得我指出你的说法“可笑”无所谓，那我当然没意见啦。。。
核大战只有三个国家有最好存活条件： 1. 俄罗斯， 乌拉尔山脉 2.美国， 落基山脉 3.中国 ，青藏高原
不是说其他地方没有山， 而是其他地方的人没有几十年不停的假设自己被核平， 然后拼命挖防核武洞洞
新西兰应该能躲过第一波核爆炸 但是后续辐射和核冬天不行