回复 2楼 gewfw 的帖子 Tao did not disclose on a form he filled out for Kansas in 2019 that he was named to a Chinese talent program, the Changjiang Professorship. He traveled to China to set up a laboratory and recruit staff for Fuzhou University, while telling Kansas officials that he was in Germany. In announcing the sentence, Robinson said prosecutors had presented no evidence during the trial that Tao received any money for his work in China, which is required for a wire fraud conviction. Rather, the evidence showed that Tao continued fulfilling his duties to the University of Kansas while in China by working 70-hour weeks and pushing his students at Kansas to do the same. And she noted he was doing fundamental research that is freely shared across the scientific community. Tao教授确实高尚，是"长江学者"，却分文不拿！
这几个也是川普的计划？ Chenguang Gong In February 2024, Chenguang Gong, 57, of San Jose, California, was arrested on federal charges alleging he stole trade secret technologies developed for use by the United States government to detect nuclear missile launches and to track ballistic and hypersonic missiles. Gong is a former engineer at a Southern California company. Linwei Ding On March 6, 2024, a federal grand jury indicted Linwei Ding, aka Leon Ding, charging him with four counts of theft of trade secrets in connection with an alleged plan to steal from Google LLC (Google) proprietary information related to artificial intelligence (AI) technology. Ding, 38, a national of the People's Republic of China and resident of Newark, California, transferred sensitive Google trade secrets and other confidential information from Google's network to his personal account while secretly affiliating himself with PRC-based companies in the AI industry Xudong Yao Xudong Yao, also known as "William Yao", 57, is a naturalized United States Citizen wanted for his alleged involvement in the theft of proprietary information from a locomotive manufacturer in Chicago, Illinois.[1] Yao is currently at large and believed to be residing in China.[2] On November 18, 2015, Yao traveled from China to O’Hare International Airport in Chicago. At the time, he had in his possession the stolen trade secret information, including nine complete copies of the suburban Chicago company's control system source code and the systems specifications that explained how the code worked, the federal indictment states.[3] Yao is charged with nine counts of theft of electronic files.
这个是选谁的原因？ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/wrongfully-accused-spying-china-professor-wins-appeal-sue-government-rcna86109 Xiaoxing Xi, a Temple University professor who was falsely accused of spying for China, will be able to bring a lawsuit against the Federal Bureau of Investigation. A judge at a federal appeals court ruled in favor of Xi on Wednesday, allowing the physicist to move forward with his case against the U.S. government for wrongful prosecution and violating his family’s constitutional rights by engaging in unlawful search, seizure and surveillance.
The decision comes after FBI agents swarmed Xi’s Philadelphia home in 2015, rounded up his family at gunpoint, and arrested him on fraud charges related to economic espionage, before abruptly dropping the charges months afterward
verylucky 发表于 2024-07-12 01:28 回复 2楼 gewfw 的帖子 Tao did not disclose on a form he filled out for Kansas in 2019 that he was named to a Chinese talent program, the Changjiang Professorship. He traveled to China to set up a laboratory and recruit staff for Fuzhou University, while telling Kansas officials that he was in Germany. In announcing the sentence, Robinson said prosecutors had presented no evidence during the trial that Tao received any money for his work in China, which is required for a wire fraud conviction. Rather, the evidence showed that Tao continued fulfilling his duties to the University of Kansas while in China by working 70-hour weeks and pushing his students at Kansas to do the same. And she noted he was doing fundamental research that is freely shared across the scientific community. Tao教授确实高尚，是"长江学者"，却分文不拿！
verylucky 发表于 2024-07-12 01:28 回复 2楼 gewfw 的帖子 Tao did not disclose on a form he filled out for Kansas in 2019 that he was named to a Chinese talent program, the Changjiang Professorship. He traveled to China to set up a laboratory and recruit staff for Fuzhou University, while telling Kansas officials that he was in Germany. In announcing the sentence, Robinson said prosecutors had presented no evidence during the trial that Tao received any money for his work in China, which is required for a wire fraud conviction. Rather, the evidence showed that Tao continued fulfilling his duties to the University of Kansas while in China by working 70-hour weeks and pushing his students at Kansas to do the same. And she noted he was doing fundamental research that is freely shared across the scientific community. Tao教授确实高尚，是"长江学者"，却分文不拿！
verylucky 发表于 2024-07-12 01:28 回复 2楼 gewfw 的帖子 Tao did not disclose on a form he filled out for Kansas in 2019 that he was named to a Chinese talent program, the Changjiang Professorship. He traveled to China to set up a laboratory and recruit staff for Fuzhou University, while telling Kansas officials that he was in Germany. In announcing the sentence, Robinson said prosecutors had presented no evidence during the trial that Tao received any money for his work in China, which is required for a wire fraud conviction. Rather, the evidence showed that Tao continued fulfilling his duties to the University of Kansas while in China by working 70-hour weeks and pushing his students at Kansas to do the same. And she noted he was doing fundamental research that is freely shared across the scientific community. Tao教授确实高尚，是"长江学者"，却分文不拿！
verylucky 发表于 2024-07-12 01:28 回复 2楼 gewfw 的帖子 Tao did not disclose on a form he filled out for Kansas in 2019 that he was named to a Chinese talent program, the Changjiang Professorship. He traveled to China to set up a laboratory and recruit staff for Fuzhou University, while telling Kansas officials that he was in Germany. In announcing the sentence, Robinson said prosecutors had presented no evidence during the trial that Tao received any money for his work in China, which is required for a wire fraud conviction. Rather, the evidence showed that Tao continued fulfilling his duties to the University of Kansas while in China by working 70-hour weeks and pushing his students at Kansas to do the same. And she noted he was doing fundamental research that is freely shared across the scientific community. Tao教授确实高尚，是"长江学者"，却分文不拿！
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马上越又要川普4年了。早做准备吧
华人就是原罪
谁不爱财呢？
教授没钱，被码公嘲笑，努力去赚钱，又不行，难呐
水平不行的教授在国内两边捞钱的不少。
水平高的会在美国做政商学三栖影星。。。反正都很爱财就是了
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Tao did not disclose on a form he filled out for Kansas in 2019 that he was named to a Chinese talent program, the Changjiang Professorship. He traveled to China to set up a laboratory and recruit staff for Fuzhou University, while telling Kansas officials that he was in Germany.
In announcing the sentence, Robinson said prosecutors had presented no evidence during the trial that Tao received any money for his work in China, which is required for a wire fraud conviction.
Rather, the evidence showed that Tao continued fulfilling his duties to the University of Kansas while in China by working 70-hour weeks and pushing his students at Kansas to do the same. And she noted he was doing fundamental research that is freely shared across the scientific community.
Tao教授确实高尚，是"长江学者"，却分文不拿！
但恐吓效果，舆论效果已经形成了
未来招收中国学生，聘用华裔教授，都明显会受到影响
Chenguang Gong In February 2024, Chenguang Gong, 57, of San Jose, California, was arrested on federal charges alleging he stole trade secret technologies developed for use by the United States government to detect nuclear missile launches and to track ballistic and hypersonic missiles. Gong is a former engineer at a Southern California company.
Linwei Ding On March 6, 2024, a federal grand jury indicted Linwei Ding, aka Leon Ding, charging him with four counts of theft of trade secrets in connection with an alleged plan to steal from Google LLC (Google) proprietary information related to artificial intelligence (AI) technology. Ding, 38, a national of the People's Republic of China and resident of Newark, California, transferred sensitive Google trade secrets and other confidential information from Google's network to his personal account while secretly affiliating himself with PRC-based companies in the AI industry
Xudong Yao Xudong Yao, also known as "William Yao", 57, is a naturalized United States Citizen wanted for his alleged involvement in the theft of proprietary information from a locomotive manufacturer in Chicago, Illinois.[1] Yao is currently at large and believed to be residing in China.[2] On November 18, 2015, Yao traveled from China to O’Hare International Airport in Chicago. At the time, he had in his possession the stolen trade secret information, including nine complete copies of the suburban Chicago company's control system source code and the systems specifications that explained how the code worked, the federal indictment states.[3] Yao is charged with nine counts of theft of electronic files.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/wrongfully-accused-spying-china-professor-wins-appeal-sue-government-rcna86109
Xiaoxing Xi, a Temple University professor who was falsely accused of spying for China, will be able to bring a lawsuit against the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
A judge at a federal appeals court ruled in favor of Xi on Wednesday, allowing the physicist to move forward with his case against the U.S. government for wrongful prosecution and violating his family’s constitutional rights by engaging in unlawful search, seizure and surveillance.
The decision comes after FBI agents swarmed Xi’s Philadelphia home in 2015, rounded up his family at gunpoint, and arrested him on fraud charges related to economic espionage, before abruptly dropping the charges months afterward
法庭都取消定罪了。你还在给定罪。。。。。。 难怪说一个华人是龙，一群华人是虫。
大家都明白是怎么回事，但是美国检察官无法获取陶教授的中国账户信息，所以在美国法庭上没有证据证明他拿钱了， LOL
这个确实没有证据。没有证据的事情按美国法律就应该疑罪从无。不然人人都能把怀疑和没有证据的事情去定罪别人，那不乱套了。
我记得当年找到的一个罪名是他国内有两万人民币存款没报告，吓得我胆战心惊的
自己给自己脸上抹屎， 别人给你洗干净了，你还要抹，而且要跪着抹。。。 好象以为这样，就能从白大人那抢到更多的吃屎机会似的。。。 建议你现在就去给你娃整容换血……
Trump在位期间真的是人心惶惶，我吓的把国内卡都关掉了，这种人的存在真是要命，那种政局不稳定的日子一天都不想过了
分文不拿？你信吗？
还是那句老话：苍蝇不叮无缝蛋，你不去掺和中共政府有关的什么计划、学者之类的东西，人家会找你麻烦吗？
这楼里马上又会跳出来几个。有些人真的，洋大人都把棍子扔了，他们还在使劲地跳呢。 我为身为和这些人同族感到可耻。
这批人很不少。一是极度恨中，二是嫉妒别人拿钱（或有拿钱的渠道）。
每次华人教授一出事，华人大妈跟打了鸡血一样，纷纷拍手叫好，还没定罪呢，就喊打喊杀，甚至还要主动告密。生怕不叫好，不跟人划清界限，表现得不积极，白人主子就要拿她们开刀了似的，叫人不齿。。 搁在国内文革时期，华人大妈的行为就是典型的红卫兵； 搁在抗日时期，就是汉奸二鬼子，趋炎附势，跟红顶白，跪舔权威，不要脸没骨气，把人性的丑恶表现的淋漓尽致。 这样的大妈，难怪老公能挣钱的时候，宁愿被家暴都不离；老公一旦得大病没工作的时候，拍拍屁股就走了。。
川普不肯秀tax return大家也知道怎么回事
无罪了还能泼脏水，某些苍蝇什么不叮？ 照你这么说，长得漂亮被人非礼，是长得漂亮的错了？
就这帖里就还有呀
之前也拿了好多年双份工资，风头无两过。
经济来源一回事了，估计律师费让他们家破产
只要学校同意拿钱就没问题。我是知道有些人是学校要求办学者的，拿钱那就更正常了。
我觉得学校是不会让他回去的。 他确实是没有disclose，这些是ethical conduct来说是有问题的。不管是免费做的还是拿了钱。
不要无差别攻击大妈，大叔里这种人只多不少！华人大妈大部分都有明辨是非的能力
就不提道德，对于认知逻辑思维都已经或多或少的出现了扭曲的华人川粉，没法摆事实讲道理。
拉黑就好了，这个帖子里我又拉黑了2个。
别说网上了，日常生活里这种人我都是第一时间拉黑，绝不交往
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他当年这么搞得时候，大家有提醒他，他说没事，这么搞的人多了去了，但是别人没得罪小人，国内学校也就口风很严，知道的就有脚踩三只船（国内同时有两个位置）的第四批第五批大千人，但是人家及时抽身而退，申报暑假工资. 其他的比如ufl的某人，直接回上院士了.
就跟超速一样被警察抓的人远少于超速的人，说倒霉也可，说你超速，你也没招，就算申诉成功，也沾一身屎，而警察毫发无伤
所以你要表达的意思是，这个教授道德上确实有问题，确实做了不道德的事？
而且“就跟超速一样被警察抓的人远少于超速的人，说倒霉也可，说你超速，你也没招”，所以你认为他确实属于超速了的，就算（不知道咋弄的）申诉成功了，你还是认为他是超速了，只是属于倒霉的被抓的？
还是那句老话：苍蝇不叮无缝蛋，你家川主子不犯法，人家会找你主子麻烦吗？
如果一早就不捞偏财也不至于。
凡事皆有因有锅， 这锅运气好或者更狡猾的逃掉了， 此人背上了, 也还有同类被锅压S的。
找谁说理去？
司法判决的结果其实无所谓的
就算每个案子都判了无罪，今后雇佣华人还是有人会多一事不如少一事
政府主导的大型猎巫行动，F B l有雇线人，这些好多都是华人“举报“的。 疫情以来至少20来个教授被诬告，最后全部都判无罪。可是造势已成了。
一些人还在掰扯苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋，有因有果啥的．．．这根本不是苍蝇，这是棒球棍好吧，专门来打你的，有缝没缝都给你打个稀烂。
真能这么自信自己全身上下从里到外纯洁无暇没一丝缝隙么？只不过你根本不值得来打罢了。今天是教授，明天说不定是码工，保不齐哪天轮到自己头上。
当年看到我们一个白人同事一下子给他捐了5000刀的时候还是挺有感触的
白人都还会生唇害齿亡兔死狐悲之心，某些华人只恨兔还没死透恨不能上去再踹几脚
z何种恐吓i洗脑俺们不接受
想不被抓超速就别超速，陶教授脚踩两只船大家都明白是怎么回事， 那些不脚踩两只船的大家都i不怕
你们这些说法跟以前的 “现在抓非法移民，明天就抓合法移民了”， “今天严惩罪犯 ，明天就严惩守法公民了” 如出一辙， 可惜除了脑子进水的以外没人买账
床铺的猎巫行动的问题是指向性歧视，脚踩两只船的都不对，应该中印欧洲南美等教授一起抓，而不是只抓中国的。就好像抓超速是对的，但是只抓黑人就是不对，但是说这些压根不是说超速就是对的
堪萨斯州鸟不拉屎的地方破房子十万块可以买一套。 华人还有一个特点，看不得募捐。这么多年我在网上看到各种募捐的，没一个有好下场，全都被批倒批臭翻个底儿掉。 别说有五六套投资房的教授，赤贫流浪的老邱求捐了几百刀都被骂得狗血淋头。
不是一个人，另一个成教授前两年就已经回浙大了
苍蝇不叮无缝蛋。如果川普不是个人渣，怎么会有这么多人反对他呢？
在美国，只要有钱打官司，好的律师总会想办法给他的顾客找一个出脱的借口。但这并不等于顾客就真的那么无辜。OJ 辛普森不就是这样给判无罪了吗？至于他究竟有没有杀人，所有的美国老百姓心里难道不清楚吗？看来这位陶老兄家里钱财不少，这时候就可以用在官司上了。今后恐怕在美国找工作成问题。看来他还是回中国发展比较好。
你这么上蹿下跳的搅混水有目的吗？fbi盯人根本不是covid才开始的，每个大点规模的大学里都有fbi office，几十年前留学生（不管哪国，主要那几个国家吧）回国相亲频率高点都被约谈的。
说的好像陶教授是个被苍蝇叮的无缝的蛋似的，fbi这么闲，这么有钱去把所有高校里所有华人教授过一遍吗？那俄罗斯籍伊朗籍的也过吗？
这么多华人在美国安居乐业，并没有被fbi骚扰过，而且以后也不会被骚扰，为什么？政府部门里也有相当一部分员工是华裔，也都好好的，为什么？不论公司还是学校，都有rules，你不follow，被揪出来查有问题吗？当初暗搓搓的不想disclose，心知肚明为了什么吧？
有多少教授没有精力跟美国政府搞就单身一人回国了。
谁告诉你那些身家清白的教授FBI就不会骚扰？陶教授是上了法庭上了新闻，有很多被调查的人是FBI查了但没查出问题，也就没走到那一步而已。我就还知道身边有这么一个教授呢，他去中国做过客座教授，老老实实的什么都报备了，一样被FBI查了整整两年，折腾得心力交瘁。他说第一学校对这种事根本不管，摊上事了不要指望学校会保你，不落井下石就不错了；第二FBI对付人用的是有罪推定不是无罪推定，所以你得自己想方设法证明自己清白；譬如FBI会问你一个关掉的银行账户里的十年前的某一笔进账是哪来的，你就得去想法子把这笔钱哪来的搞清楚，书面证据要有——哪有那么容易？
没摊上事就偷着乐吧，还真以为自己是清白良民人家就不整你了？
所以了，大家的共识：FBI盯人大概很多年了，具体程度不谈，但这几年确实有大规模起诉华人教授。
别人的结论是：这是这几年专门针对高知华人的迫害，所以有这么多针对高知华人的起诉案。强调的是这几年这个巨大的变化。
你的结论是：你不明着说为什么这几年对高知华人的起诉案这么多，只是顾左右而言他，扯些比如 - 为什么FBI不去找其他华人教授的麻烦？为什么其他华人在美国安居乐业，并没有被fbi骚扰过？政府部门里也有相当一部分员工是华裔，也都好好的，为什么？
是这样吧？
大家看看是谁“上蹿下跳的搅混水”?
那你认识的那个教授，丢了工作没？
所以千人计划，长江学者这些的，几十年前就有了对吗？
楼上偷着乐，不是因为她摊没摊上事儿，而是因为她在这儿搅混水，故意偷换了问题的实质：问题的实质是这几年这类针对高知华人起诉的数量大幅提高 - 这数量上的明显变化，表明了对华人的针对。
她把问题偷换成了一个泛泛的，“这么多华人”没事，政府部门也有”相当一部分“员工是华裔，没事。。。至于这明显的数量变化是为什么，她特意不去说，觉得就能骗的大家都忘了。。。
然后她自以为得计，于是就偷着乐了。。。
你现在想起来说这些了？你前贴提了么？你前贴那些“为什么”，比如，“这么多华人在美国安居乐业，并没有被fbi骚扰过，而且以后也不会被骚扰，为什么？政府部门里也有相当一部分员工是华裔，也都好好的，为什么？”， 和你现在说的这俩半点关系么？
被我戳破你前贴搅混水，你这贴来找补？是不是补得上另说，但能改变你前贴故意忘记讨论大家说的这几年表现出的针对华人的起诉大幅提升这个问题么？
没丢工作，但是这两年活在那么大的压力下，被折腾掉了一层皮啊，家人也被搞得惶惶不安，科研进度也耽搁了。这幸亏他当时已经有tenure了，冲tenure的那些教授绝对经不起的。
我的啥逻辑漏洞？
我指出前面大家讨论的是为什么“近几年”这些事这么频发，我可没说这归根到底是为什么。你这贴给了一个你对这个为什么的回答，不管对还是不对，咋就成我的逻辑漏洞了？
前面大家讨论的是为什么“近几年”这些事这么频发，可你前贴（不小心？/故意？）忘了这个，反而主要去说些“这么多华人在美国安居乐业，并没有被fbi骚扰过，而且以后也不会被骚扰，为什么？政府部门里也有相当一部分员工是华裔，也都好好的，为什么？”
所以才说你搅混水，明明大家讨论的是这几年的变化，你去强调一堆和这几年的变化没有半点关系的事（你说的这些，不管是不是这几年，都是这样的哦）。
至于你之后被我戳破，还是自己想起来了？去回答了“为什么这几年如何如何”，改变不了你前贴搅混水的事实。如果你回答正确（这个我这贴先不谈），只能说明你那个回答没搅混水而已。
多简单一事儿啊。。。
自恨没边了。 China initiative 设立的目的就是盯所有的蛋，在学术届大撒网，违法监听，甚至还有FBI钓鱼。 还有在这试图给洗白的。
还是那句话，你不disclose，学校发现了后fire你是完全没有问题。在公司里也一样啊。 尤其是学校之类的地方都是需要签字的。隐瞒了，结果被人举报了，那学校自然会fire他啊。这位教授就是这种case，是故意隐瞒了。 至于故意说成spy，espionage这么严重的罪还是wire fraud，那就是政府的问题。
我觉得你也犯法了，你自证吧
这个问题要这样看啦，当年德国反犹的风潮挂起来的理由，难道不是事实吗？大批犹太商人的确囤积居奇，在物资紧缺的时期把物价抬到天高获利，德国工人困苦不堪。
但是，犹太商人做了这样的事，难道雅利安血统的德国商人就没做吗？雅利安德国商人一样做了； 难道大部分犹太人不也是工薪族，不也是生活困苦的人的一部分吗？大多数犹太人真就是跟德国工人同命运。
可反犹的风潮挂起来以后，第一没有因为雅利安德国商人做了同样的事而反雅利安德国商人，第二没有区分大多数无辜的犹太人。
现在这也是同样的问题：第一，disclose不周全的问题，只存在于华人教授吗？天大的笑话！ 为什么只抓着华人打，这些人都是美国公民；
第二，你认为反华的风潮起来以后，会把这些你所谓不诚实的华人美籍教授，跟你这个诚实的华人美国公民区分开吗？
我觉得做什么决定，形成什么观点，都要首先考虑自己的利益。自己的利益都不知道顾，那就真的没救了。
据说我们这里一个教授是说，disclose后，什么funding都拿不到，医学院的教授，好像是以前跟国内有很多合作的。
苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋，这是典型的受害者有罪论。你不晚上出去，人家会强奸你吗？你不发骚，人家会骚扰你吗？什么都能拿来这么说。 我只知道川普的中国计划以来，很多很有名的中国教授被迫去了亚洲和欧洲的大学。照你的逻辑他们肯定都犯法了。
按你的说法，难不成我还要站队两边通吃，被揪出来挨打的陶教授？给他背书替他鸣冤？他被揪出来想起华人社会了，他吃得香的时候没少嘲笑我们这些榆木脑瓜吧？
我疯了吗我站他？
是的，如果不是华人，根本就不会立案。立案都是因为China Initiative按照间谍罪调查的。最后发现是清白的就找报税的毛病。 川普搞的China Initiative跟报税没有一毛钱的关系。查华人教授都是因为china initiative 一开始就搞有罪推定。 幸灾乐祸的川粉就是恨不得华人都被遣返，全美只剩自己一家华人。
我们要的只是美国公民人人平等，不因为他的移民母国而受到不同待遇，这很难理解吗？
陶的做法如果有瑕疵，用正常的司法手续处理他就好。（而且现在判下来居然无罪，当然这是另外的话）
身边拿美国学校钱在以色列工作的，拿埃及和美国两份钱的，拿着美国funding署名沙特学校的，比比皆是。但只打华人，这就是问题。
谁有本事两边通吃那就去吃，你就是嫉妒。 通吃本身不犯法。犯法另有条例。
教授多处任职的例子多了去了。可以不可以，学校说了算
法律已经给他清白了，证明他这几年都是被冤枉的。 你不服就去上诉告发他啊。 名教授在不同大学兼职的多了去了，世界所有大学都是这样操作的。你没这个本事就幻想人家嘲笑你，太搞笑了吧，谁知道你是那根葱啊还嘲笑你。
关键现在学校说了算这一点，学校都还可以反悔
前阵在Lieber案子那个讨论里我提过一个华人的大学系主任，明明本校跟中国的合作项目是学校间达成的，学校批准的，结果还是被学校威胁说你最好自己辞职走人，我们跟政府合作很多，政府不想看到你。他就辞职去香港了。但牵头和批准那个项目的美国白人，不但没有被处理，反而仕途大好，第一荣升美国国家工程院院长，第二，国防部、国土安全部和多个研究资助机构认要职，甚至任一个以national security为目的的委员会的头头，第三，最神奇的，他又同时还是中国政府发大红证书任命的科技顾问、中国工程院外籍院士。。。。
华人和白人，区别太明显。
您可以不站他。这华人网上没来这贴里发言的多了去了，大家也没到所有其他楼里都去揪人出来说“你为什么不站华人教授”吧？
但您仅仅是不站队他么？前面有人针对“疫情以来至少20来个教授被诬告，最后全部都判无罪。可是造势已成了。”指出现在对华人的针对在加剧，您出来说人家“上蹿下跳的搅混水有目的”。。。然后拿一通“这么多华人在美国安居乐业，并没有被fbi骚扰过，而且以后也不会被骚扰，为什么？政府部门里也有相当一部分员工是华裔，也都好好的，为什么？”这种，话没错，但完全不说明（这几年为什么对华人的针对在加剧的）问题的话术来说事。。。
您是没疯。只是逻辑混乱而已。