Supreme Court: Trump has immunity for ''''official acts''''
Justices rule Trump may claim immunity from criminal prosecution for some actions he took in final days of his presidency Read Supreme Court’s Trump immunity ruling Opinion was 6-3 along conservative-liberal lines Jake Tapper reads part of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s scathing dissent 1:13 The immunity ruling rejects a decision from a federal appeals court Supreme Court lets a truck stop sue the Federal Reserve in latest threat to agency regulations State social media laws aimed at protecting conservative users remain blocked, Supreme Court says Trump’s criminal cases, in one place
Mediterranean 发表于 2024-07-01 11:43 就是it depends，帮Donnie拖延。也许拖到最后，Donnie的行为其实都是unofficial ，并不享受豁免权。但是法院给未来类似行为开了一个很大的口子：it depends，看你们怎么辩护了.这点就跟可怕，所以dissent opinion最后以with fear for democracy I dissent.
Mediterranean 发表于 2024-07-01 11:43 就是it depends，帮Donnie拖延。也许拖到最后，Donnie的行为其实都是unofficial ，并不享受豁免权。但是法院给未来类似行为开了一个很大的口子：it depends，看你们怎么辩护了.这点就跟可怕，所以dissent opinion最后以with fear for democracy I dissent.
So why DOJ is in such a hurry all of the sudden? Let it play out. If he is guilty, he will be found guilty like the hush money trial.
whoescaped2024 发表于 2024-07-01 11:56 So why DOJ is in such a hurry all of the sudden? Let it play out. If he is guilty, he will be found guilty like the hush money trial.
第一，因为如果拖到大选后如果川普赢了，这个案子就会被drop，人民永远没机会知道他是不是guilty, 第二，DOJ不是all in a sudden，去年就让高院接手了，是高院拖，第三special counsel 是纳税人的银子，回头funding拖没了(house GOP想defund), 这个案子也就完了。
共和党最高法院这个判决是明目张胆的宣布了美国民主制度已死。回到了皇权封建独裁制度。 READ: Justice Sotomayor's warning in her dissent: "When [the president] uses his official powers in any way, under the majority's reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority's message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law."
supersleeper 发表于 2024-07-01 13:10 共和党最高法院这个判决是明目张胆的宣布了美国民主制度已死。回到了皇权封建独裁制度。 READ: Justice Sotomayor's warning in her dissent: "When [the president] uses his official powers in any way, under the majority's reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority's message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law."
supersleeper 发表于 2024-07-01 13:10 共和党最高法院这个判决是明目张胆的宣布了美国民主制度已死。回到了皇权封建独裁制度。 READ: Justice Sotomayor's warning in her dissent: "When [the president] uses his official powers in any way, under the majority's reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority's message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law."
美国历任总统，一直享受事实上的豁免权，那么多年来并没有造成啥问题。。 甚至过去为了美国制度的整体稳定，对明显犯罪的总统, e.g. 尼克松，都直接进行特赦。。 还是那句话，讨厌川普是一回事，但不能因为讨厌川普就posion the well 搞成韩国那样，每个总统下台都被清算，那种政治环境是很可怕的。。 会造成美国进一步分裂，两党内斗的加剧，双方都把政党利益驾于国家利益之上，造成整个国家加速下滑。。
Namama 发表于 2024-07-01 13:46 美国历任总统，一直享受事实上的豁免权，那么多年来并没有造成啥问题。。 甚至过去为了美国制度的整体稳定，对明显犯罪的总统, e.g. 尼克松，都直接进行特赦。。 还是那句话，讨厌川普是一回事，但不能因为讨厌川普就posion the well 搞成韩国那样，每个总统下台都被清算，那种政治环境是很可怕的。。 会造成美国进一步分裂，两党内斗的加剧，双方都把政党利益驾于国家利益之上，造成整个国家加速下滑。。
尼克松辞职了，挽救了政坛危机，he deserved the pardon. What did Donnie do to earn this pardon?
Namama 发表于 2024-07-01 13:46 美国历任总统，一直享受事实上的豁免权，那么多年来并没有造成啥问题。。 甚至过去为了美国制度的整体稳定，对明显犯罪的总统, e.g. 尼克松，都直接进行特赦。。 还是那句话，讨厌川普是一回事，但不能因为讨厌川普就posion the well 搞成韩国那样，每个总统下台都被清算，那种政治环境是很可怕的。。 会造成美国进一步分裂，两党内斗的加剧，双方都把政党利益驾于国家利益之上，造成整个国家加速下滑。。
美国历任总统授权进行的各种暗杀，政变，幕后人命交易，真心不要太多。。。 只不过以前从来没人去这么审过总统任期内的决策。。。 讨厌川普，民主党换个人上来把他干掉就好 但你不能因为讨厌川普，就开始拆整个系统，让以后的总统无法正常运作 这就像民主党内因为讨厌最高法院保守派大法官占多数，就希望大幅增加大法官名额，从而废掉最高法院一样。。都是走火入魔的极端派。。 除非民主党以后再也不准备上台执政了，不如poison the well有啥好处？
你不要给这个判决洗地了， 总统在任期内本来就有豁免权，这个是Nixon v Fitzgerald (1982) 就确立了。而唯一让总统在任期不能为所欲为的就是卸任以后，他有可能因为以前的犯罪被追究刑事责任。 现在争论的焦点就是immunity after leaving the office. Once a president leaves the office they no longer have the immunity that protected them from lawsuits for official acts while in the office. 最新的高法判决连这个推翻了。 意味着总统可以为所欲为，杀人也没事
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) slammed the Supreme Court’s “disgraceful” decision Monday to shield former President Trump’s official acts from prosecution, which will delay his trial on Jan. 6-related charges. Schumer warned the 6-3 decision “enables the former President to weaken our democracy by breaking the law.” “This is a sad day for America and a sad day for our democracy. The very basis of our judicial system is that no one is above the law. Treason or incitement of insurrection should not be considered a core constitutional power afforded to a president,” he said. Schumer also warned that the Supreme Court has undermined its credibility, echoing the criticisms of other Senate Democrats who have accused conservative justices on the court of becoming partisan players. “This decision undermines the credibility of the Supreme Court, and suggests that political influence trumps all in our courts today,” Schumer said.
zffkky 发表于 2024-07-01 14:10 Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) slammed the Supreme Court’s “disgraceful” decision Monday to shield former President Trump’s official acts from prosecution, which will delay his trial on Jan. 6-related charges. Schumer warned the 6-3 decision “enables the former President to weaken our democracy by breaking the law.” “This is a sad day for America and a sad day for our democracy. The very basis of our judicial system is that no one is above the law. Treason or incitement of insurrection should not be considered a core constitutional power afforded to a president,” he said. Schumer also warned that the Supreme Court has undermined its credibility, echoing the criticisms of other Senate Democrats who have accused conservative justices on the court of becoming partisan players. “This decision undermines the credibility of the Supreme Court, and suggests that political influence trumps all in our courts today,” Schumer said.
民主党一群君子软蛋 光谴责有个屁用，既然纳粹党法院判决了总统是皇上，那你Biden还等个屁啊，直接解散了高院，按trump说的派seal team 6就好了
纳粹党“法官”就是这么无耻，就是这么明目张胆，你能怎样？还不是一群潢川潢川去给人家捐款？ 美国已经被纳粹党逼入死局了。200多年的institution 就这十来年功夫被纳粹党彻底砸烂了 还记着Gannon名言 year down the administrative state吗？ 美国下面说句不好听的，不得好死的。非要来此civil war电影里那种才能破解目前死局 问题是，你愿意给它陪葬吗？
READ: The final words in Justice Sotomayor's dissent: "Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. "With fear for our democracy, I dissent."
supersleeper 发表于 2024-07-01 15:10 READ: The final words in Justice Sotomayor's dissent: "Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. "With fear for our democracy, I dissent."
转： Grimly hilarious to compare the textual foundation for disqualifying Trump for insurrection (right there in the 14th amendment) and the foundation for absolute criminal immunity for official acts (nowhere to be found in the constitution despite explicit grants of other forms of immunity) 转：This is the best example of legislating from the bench that I have ever seen. The SC is writing laws that do not exist.
落地无声 发表于 2024-07-01 15:16 转： Grimly hilarious to compare the textual foundation for disqualifying Trump for insurrection (right there in the 14th amendment) and the foundation for absolute criminal immunity for official acts (nowhere to be found in the constitution despite explicit grants of other forms of immunity) 转：This is the best example of legislating from the bench that I have ever seen. The SC is writing laws that do not exist.
Justices rule Trump may claim immunity from criminal prosecution for some actions he took in final days of his presidency
Read Supreme Court’s Trump immunity ruling Opinion was 6-3 along conservative-liberal lines Jake Tapper reads part of Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s scathing dissent 1:13 The immunity ruling rejects a decision from a federal appeals court Supreme Court lets a truck stop sue the Federal Reserve in latest threat to agency regulations State social media laws aimed at protecting conservative users remain blocked, Supreme Court says Trump’s criminal cases, in one place
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一半？十条里他违背了九条
你算神马玩意
我觉得这个不能怪Biden，只能怪猪队友，是否起诉Biden是不能干预的
supersleepe(teabucket)党卫军万夫长!
🛋️ 沙发板凳
如果裁定总统有豁免权的话大家等着看戏了，拜登马上就可以开杀戒，指挥seal 6把川普，川普核心团队，全体GOP议员，再加上6个保守大法官一波带走，官司可以以后慢慢打
醒醒
理论上是这样。你去看看川普律师的的辩词
correct English error: felon is a person, felony is a crime
welcome Donald the king
哎哟，不愧是felon的粉丝，给你点赞👍
拜登要是有这个魄力就好了！
也不是绝对豁免权。高院这是和稀泥
就是it depends，帮Donnie拖延。也许拖到最后，Donnie的行为其实都是unofficial ，并不享受豁免权。但是法院给未来类似行为开了一个很大的口子：it depends，看你们怎么辩护了.这点就跟可怕，所以dissent opinion最后以with fear for democracy I dissent.
我上面说错了，高院做了一些具体判决： 川普利用司法部推翻选举：官方行为，有绝对豁免权； 川普逼迫彭斯：假定有豁免，检查官可以反驳； 川普去逼迫州政府官员：需要法院用证据界定； 川普1.6号的行为：需要法院用证据界定。
第一条就够够的了。
这个official不了吧，除了他没别的总统干过吧，怎么能算official。。。
看怎么扯皮了啊：他关注选举作弊情况(根据他的情报：有作弊)，所以作为总统打电话给州务卿行使自己的权利希望拨乱反正...
So why DOJ is in such a hurry all of the sudden? Let it play out. If he is guilty, he will be found guilty like the hush money trial.
第一，因为如果拖到大选后如果川普赢了，这个案子就会被drop，人民永远没机会知道他是不是guilty, 第二，DOJ不是all in a sudden，去年就让高院接手了，是高院拖，第三special counsel 是纳税人的银子，回头funding拖没了(house GOP想defund), 这个案子也就完了。
Depressing.洗洗睡吧，关掉新闻，到大选那天vote blue。共和党无耻，民主党无能，系统已经broken了，咱啥都做不了。
是的。 不过至少还没有判absolute immunity.
VOTE. BLUE.
区别是在法律上，一个总统任期内的行为， 如何判断，谁来判断，依照什么来判断这些行为是否是总统职权范围内吧？
总统任上会需要作各种决策，有的能上台面，有的不能公开。。 所以需要法律豁免
READ: Justice Sotomayor's warning in her dissent:
"When [the president] uses his official powers in any way, under the majority's reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority's message today. Even if these nightmare scenarios never play out, and I pray they never do, the damage has been done. The relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law."
您的回答有一定道理。
希望supreme court 不要把煽动mob们国会山外架起绞刑架然后再带枪带塑料手铐游览国会山的行为当成是official acts. 也希望那几个大法官不会认为洗手间放绝密文件也是official acts.
既然共和党法庭这么判决，给trump国王待遇，凌驾于任何法律之上 那Biden能不能根据这个判决，立刻解散最高法院，让seal 6立刻处决共和党大法官，重新指认新法官上任 让seal 6立刻处决共和党议长，和MAGA议员 立刻宣布妇女有控制自己子宫的权利？ 共和党这个所谓最高法院还有没有半点合法性？这是明着把美国倒退回封建皇权制度去吗？中国那谁都不敢这样吧，公开说自己凌驾于一切法律之上？中国以前皇上也要尊重大清律吧！
不愧是justice。 写得荡气回肠。 可惜9个大法官中还有连first amendment 都答不全的。
我的意思是，很多事情要跳出川普的框架来看。。 因为除了川普以外，美国以后还会有很多很多其他的总统
这甚至都不是最后有罪无罪的问题，而是很多总统的决策就没法拿到台面上来审。。 政治是很肮脏的，国际政治尤其如此。。 总统一旦失去法律豁免权，很多事情以后就很难处理了。。
不能因为讨厌川普，所以就为他量身定做一套法律体系，结果把以后所有总统的手脚都捆住。。。
都到现在了 你们还是用常理试图解释？
睁开眼看看，共和党最高法院就是明说了老子就是这么独裁不讲理，指鹿为马 你还指望他们会要脸去真正遵循法律和常理？
Wake up!
那川普打电话给佐治亚州的州长，要一万多张选票，是official act吗？有没有豁免权？
一月6号，川普的行为是official act吗？有没有豁免权？
美国建国200多年来 没有一个总统需要杀人不犯法，政变不犯法这种皇权豁免权，照样总统职权用行政水平比这个让人喝漂白水的trump高10000倍
然后你也不用洗地了，以后也不会有别的总统了。你见过历史上哪个皇帝是自己让位给民选领袖的？
trump死了还有它儿子它孙子
大白天洗冼睡？
这个问题需要皇上本人决定
不洗洗睡还能干啥呢？
眼看集中营就在眼前了，多休息，上个屁班还
美国历任总统授权进行的各种暗杀，政变，幕后人命交易，真心不要太多。。。
只不过以前从来没人去这么审过总统任期内的决策。。。
讨厌川普，民主党换个人上来把他干掉就好 但你不能因为讨厌川普，就开始拆整个系统，让以后的总统无法正常运作 这就像民主党内因为讨厌最高法院保守派大法官占多数，就希望大幅增加大法官名额，从而废掉最高法院一样。。都是走火入魔的极端派。。
除非民主党以后再也不准备上台执政了，不如poison the well有啥好处？
很简单，总统作为美国政府的代表的行为有豁免，什么发动战争呀之类的。总统个人行为，包括officially利用职权干的坏事、unofficially 干的坏事，都不受豁免。
这个才是最可怕的地方，trump再怎么样，4年后也滚了，但这个判决给将来的所有总统不受约束的权利，等于将来无论共和党还是民主党总统都将变成trump第二第三。。。阴魂不散，这将是历史的倒退，对美国的伤害将是永久的
所以以后总统连任再无悬念。然后不能连任的总统可以让自己的副总统确保当选。
这是我们想要的美国吗？
嗯，还有Chevron 等等等等都是6-3
美国历任总统，一直享受事实上的豁免权，那么多年来并没有造成啥问题。。 甚至过去为了美国制度的整体稳定，对明显犯罪的总统, e.g. 尼克松，都直接进行特赦。。
还是那句话，讨厌川普是一回事，但不能因为讨厌川普就posion the well 搞成韩国那样，每个总统下台都被清算，那种政治环境是很可怕的。。 会造成美国进一步分裂，两党内斗的加剧，双方都把政党利益驾于国家利益之上，造成整个国家加速下滑。。
哎呀，chevron这个不就是瞄着事后小费的么 love canal发生在今天，hoover公司一定不会输，只要事后塞钱就可以了。
真心的，历届总统干了那么多坏事，被indict 的(还是88 indictments) 只有Donnie一人，可见他的坏事多么的登峰造极。
难道不是因为高院法官徇私枉法在前，以个人党派倾向来改变宪法的解释？
正常的做法是认定没有人高于法律，哪怕是总统，做错了也要接受法律的惩罚。这样所有的现在的和将来的总统都不可以胡作非为。
我不同意pack court，但是话要说清楚，从前也不是没有高院保守派法官占多数的时候，没有像最近这几年这样倾向十足明显，而且受贿丑闻频频，死不认错。这届高院问题太多才是症结所在
尼克松辞职了，挽救了政坛危机，he deserved the pardon. What did Donnie do to earn this pardon?
这么看来，最高院这是在为政党服务了，三权分立完全就是个摆设
4年后自己滚蛋？
你说出这个话得多naive？wake up!
你看希特勒上台后滚蛋了没
没造成啥问题？就是因为有隐形豁免，所以很多倒行逆施的行为，比如911，比如伊拉克战争，政治越来越肮脏，人民对总统和议会的信任损失殆尽，造成了美国持续的在国内和国际上失人心和下滑。。。要做的是扭转这个错误，而不是把错误的事情反而合法化
不知道你的zz倾向，但惊讶的是 你居然还能回复这个ID，这厮就因为 当初我误入ta的贴，ta居然侮辱我的智商 怂恿我去邻居院子里插zz旗，我很不耐烦的回复了ta，这厮就改回帖并拉黑了我。
难怪他的贴里没有反对贴。看来只要不同意他的zz倾向的ID全部被他拉黑了。
BTW，我弃票，，对我来说，左左莲花婊，右右drama king。
你不要给这个判决洗地了， 总统在任期内本来就有豁免权，这个是Nixon v Fitzgerald (1982) 就确立了。而唯一让总统在任期不能为所欲为的就是卸任以后，他有可能因为以前的犯罪被追究刑事责任。 现在争论的焦点就是immunity after leaving the office.
Once a president leaves the office they no longer have the immunity that protected them from lawsuits for official acts while in the office.
最新的高法判决连这个推翻了。 意味着总统可以为所欲为，杀人也没事
如果用民主党这种法律追杀的方式，对在台上的所有政客进行审判 有一个算一个，两党所有高层，每个都能把被indict并且convict，一个都跑不了。。
所以我一直很反对拜登的这种政治追杀。。 政治精算过头了。。
拜登如意算盘打的叮当响。。 如果成功，那么就能彻底干掉川普。。 如果失败，那么也能激发共和党选民的反弹，把共和党彻底和川普进行绑定，从而增加拜登自己的胜选连任机会。。
如果真的顾及美国长期利益，那么就该在2年前，中期选举maga失利的背景下，配合共和党建制派彻底踢开川普。。。
但在双方党争和拜登只顾及自己的短期利益考量下，就完全不顾美国长期利益
谁叛变了？
首先你哪怕是底层白人红脖 疮上台回都只会然后美国崩溃的更快 红脖子自己生活也会越来越糟的
另外 你你是白皮 注定了在红脖子自己因为疮倒霉之前，China virus 会先被疮党肉体消灭的
Mark my words
那你看看冤枉你了吗，对判决不服可以上诉，一切以证据说话。 怼川普的判决难道是莫须有吗？个个证据确凿
不需要和川粉浪费口舌。就比如你会和zombie辩论吗？
川粉它们继续皇上万岁去吧
咱们开始实施撤离美国计划就好。到时候在哪国海边关注川粉被川党塞进焚尸炉新闻就好
对川普的判决，就是个笑话。。。各种量身定做的法律审判。。。
真要审判，好歹搞些像样点的罪名，比如说Jan 6啥的， 现在搞这种就是让全国全球看笑话。。。。
纯粹为了选举而进行的政治show
我说了好几年了，拜登过去这些时间，其实是川普的最大支持者。 共和党建制派没能在中期选举后踢开川普，共和党彻底沦落为Maga党，持续煽风点火的拜登是首功。。
我不支持川普 我觉得他如果上台是美华是极大的威胁
但一码归一码，不支持川普有很多方式， 拆美国政治体制的地基并不是个理智的方式。。。长期危害远远大于短期收益
Schumer warned the 6-3 decision “enables the former President to weaken our democracy by breaking the law.”
“This is a sad day for America and a sad day for our democracy. The very basis of our judicial system is that no one is above the law. Treason or incitement of insurrection should not be considered a core constitutional power afforded to a president,” he said.
Schumer also warned that the Supreme Court has undermined its credibility, echoing the criticisms of other Senate Democrats who have accused conservative justices on the court of becoming partisan players.
“This decision undermines the credibility of the Supreme Court, and suggests that political influence trumps all in our courts today,” Schumer said.
是的，当初我就说 对川普定罪 就是执政党在搬石头砸自己的脚，被群殴。奇葩的是，殴你之后就拉黑你，真是够猥琐的！
民主党一群君子软蛋
光谴责有个屁用，既然纳粹党法院判决了总统是皇上，那你Biden还等个屁啊，直接解散了高院，按trump说的派seal team 6就好了
纳粹党“法官”就是这么无耻，就是这么明目张胆，你能怎样？还不是一群潢川潢川去给人家捐款？
美国已经被纳粹党逼入死局了。200多年的institution 就这十来年功夫被纳粹党彻底砸烂了
还记着Gannon名言 year down the administrative state吗？
美国下面说句不好听的，不得好死的。非要来此civil war电影里那种才能破解目前死局
问题是，你愿意给它陪葬吗？
人生没有如果。坦然面对吧
为何要换，高院给了他豁免权，没选上，学trump再来一次1/6，Harris听命，找摇摆州（pa，mi，wi都是民主党的吧现在）find me some votes。。。。。
I wish
民主党Biden正人君子，做不出这事情来
所以我说美国已死，这事无解了。一定要到不归路的。私下聊过的几个网友，你看到我这个帖子你就可以进一步准备撤离计划了。
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看黄川解读美国宪法？潢川还是解读下川氏集中营哪个营可以晚点进焚尸炉吧
它比最高法院大法官更懂?
以下是索托马约尔大法官在其异议中的警告的中文翻译:
"根据多数意见的推理,当[总统]以任何方式使用他的官方权力时,他现在将免于刑事起诉。下令海军海豹六队暗杀政治对手?豁免。组织军事政变以保住权力?豁免。收受贿赂换取赦免?豁免。豁免,豁免,豁免。让总统违法,让他利用职位谋取私利,让他滥用官方权力达到邪恶目的。因为如果他知道有朝一日可能因违法而承担责任,他可能就不会像我们希望的那样大胆无畏。这就是今天多数意见传达的信息。即使这些噩梦般的场景永远不会发生,我祈祷它们永远不会发生,但损害已经造成。总统与他所服务的人民之间的关系已经发生了不可逆转的转变。在每一次使用官方权力时,总统现在都成了凌驾于法律之上的国王。"
撤哪儿？
所有的案子都是套用法律、量身定做的...
删了
切，可见现在的政治环境多么极端吧，民主党法官下三滥，连民主党的DOJ都不要起诉，他硬是搞七搞八搞成了，这样开个先例，以后有的瞎搞呢
不要再川粉身上浪费时间
"With fear for our democracy, I dissent."
以下是索托马约尔大法官异议中最后几段话的中文翻译:
"在我们共和国的历史上,从未有过总统有理由相信,如果他利用职权违反刑法,他将免于刑事起诉。然而,从今以后,所有前总统都将披上这样的豁免权。如果这个职位的占有者滥用公权力谋取私利,我们其他人都必须遵守的刑法将不再成为最后的防线。
"我怀着对我们民主制度的担忧,表示异议。"
转：This is the best example of legislating from the bench that I have ever seen. The SC is writing laws that do not exist.
我觉得邓洪的东西还是可以看的，虽然他挺TRUMP，但他不造谣。这个视频，他没的解读宪法，他是解读法院对这个案子写的文书。媒体不能只看一方的，不然不会了解对方的想法，都看看才有可能争取共识，不然就是往撕裂的路上狂奔。
每个人在世界上的时间是有限的
不要再在川粉身上浪费一秒钟
you will thank me later
不造谣传谣的川粉真没几个了呀。
So?
纳粹党法庭就是这么无耻。你能怎样？
川普本身谎话连篇。粉他的人粉的就是谎言。所以不存在不造谣的川粉。
同意这个说法。
你真的可以听一下这个视频，虽然他说是对TRUMP是好消息，但听他的解释，TRUMP没有那么彻底的无罪，法院说了看是不是公务，当然是公务能免责这个本身很多人不同意。
Again 每个人在这个地球上时间是有限的一个时间
你需要学习的是看big picture还不是死扣纳粹法庭的所谓判决的字眼
就跟炒股一一样
听川粉死扣字眼寻找心理安慰，寻找川党不会把它们送进焚尸炉的理由，纯粹的自欺欺人的鸵鸟主义
so？
1933年之后还有人敢把希特勒当年的承诺拿出来质问他吗？
This is a paradigm change 板上大多数人还是习惯性思维 在这抠字眼寻找安慰
因为大家对公务的定义有分歧呗。我觉得公务该免责，前提是无论谁是总统都必须做的事才算公务，就某个人想干的事不能算公务，就算他是总统也不算。