My thoughts as a newcomer after finishing the Netflix series Discussion - General I've never read the books but after watching Netflix's first season, I absolutely love the premise and am yearning for more. The idea of humanity being given a four-hundred-year warning of impending doom is just so fascinating and I'm excited to see how the books explore the social, political, philosophical, and scientific implications. However, even having never read the books, I feel like the show's pacing was way too fast. I was also expecting more hard sci-fi elements in the show like more exploring of orbital mechanics of a tri-solar system or more philosopical debates about contact with an extra-terrestrial intelligent life-form, particularly one that is generations ahead of us technologically.
My thoughts as a newcomer after finishing the Netflix series Discussion - General I've never read the books but after watching Netflix's first season, I absolutely love the premise and am yearning for more. The idea of humanity being given a four-hundred-year warning of impending doom is just so fascinating and I'm excited to see how the books explore the social, political, philosophical, and scientific implications. However, even having never read the books, I feel like the show's pacing was way too fast. I was also expecting more hard sci-fi elements in the show like more exploring of orbital mechanics of a tri-solar system or more philosopical debates about contact with an extra-terrestrial intelligent life-form, particularly one that is generations ahead of us technologically. 木牛流马 发表于 2024-03-27 13:48
刚看到Reddit上有人解释了叶文洁那个蛋疼joke是暗喻黑暗森林法则。但我还是觉得很勉强啊 Einstein dies, he has his violin. He loves his violin, even more than women. He''s excited to find out how well he can play in heaven. He imagines he''ll be pretty damn good. Humanity Enters the universe and they''re excited to begin to talk to it He starts to tune up and all the angels rush at him. "What are you doing?" they say, "I''m getting ready to play" "Don''t do that, god won''t like it. He''s a saxaphonist" Humanity begins to make a sound, Ye wenjie makes a message. Trisolaris responds "Do not answer" This is the warning He doesn''t play, But it''s difficult. He loves music and there''s actually not much to do in heaven. Padding to the story/ not much to interpret. Maybe Ye is implying her idea that humanity is flawed. And sure enough from high above he hear''s a saxaphone. It''s playing "Take the A Train" Einstein knows it too, and he thinks. "I''m going to do it. I''m going to play with Him" "We''re going to sound great together" So he starts playing "Take the A Train" Ye wenjie/Humanity give into the urge to respond. We reveal our location in the universe to trisolaris The saxophone stops and God appears. He marches over to einstein and kicks him in the balls. Which hurts, even in heaven. Humanity is hypothetically killed in the invasion Then he smashes Einstein''s beloved violin to bits. Eternity without music, Heaven has turned to hell for Einstein. And as he writhes on the ground, holding his smashes balls, An angel comes over and says, "We warned you" "Never play with god" The information hazard of the Dark Forest causes humanity to prevent signals going out into the universe. The universe becomes hell. Ye Wenjie, after this joke, emphasises to Saul that jokes are important. We may die without them. The idea of the dark forest comes from the emphasis of the warning, an added element may come from the concept of silence in the universe being prevalent in this metaphor.
木牛流马 发表于 2024-03-27 14:45 刚看到Reddit上有人解释了叶文洁那个蛋疼joke是暗喻黑暗森林法则。但我还是觉得很勉强啊 Einstein dies, he has his violin. He loves his violin, even more than women. He''s excited to find out how well he can play in heaven. He imagines he''ll be pretty damn good. Humanity Enters the universe and they''re excited to begin to talk to it He starts to tune up and all the angels rush at him. "What are you doing?" they say, "I''m getting ready to play" "Don''t do that, god won''t like it. He''s a saxaphonist" Humanity begins to make a sound, Ye wenjie makes a message. Trisolaris responds "Do not answer" This is the warning He doesn''t play, But it''s difficult. He loves music and there''s actually not much to do in heaven. Padding to the story/ not much to interpret. Maybe Ye is implying her idea that humanity is flawed. And sure enough from high above he hear''s a saxaphone. It''s playing "Take the A Train" Einstein knows it too, and he thinks. "I''m going to do it. I''m going to play with Him" "We''re going to sound great together" So he starts playing "Take the A Train" Ye wenjie/Humanity give into the urge to respond. We reveal our location in the universe to trisolaris The saxophone stops and God appears. He marches over to einstein and kicks him in the balls. Which hurts, even in heaven. Humanity is hypothetically killed in the invasion Then he smashes Einstein''s beloved violin to bits. Eternity without music, Heaven has turned to hell for Einstein. And as he writhes on the ground, holding his smashes balls, An angel comes over and says, "We warned you" "Never play with god" The information hazard of the Dark Forest causes humanity to prevent signals going out into the universe. The universe becomes hell. Ye Wenjie, after this joke, emphasises to Saul that jokes are important. We may die without them. The idea of the dark forest comes from the emphasis of the warning, an added element may come from the concept of silence in the universe being prevalent in this metaphor.
Jin是她的科学事业分身，聪明有判断力，在PIA贡献idea，lead staircase program，之后去见云天明，破译童话，发现曲率驱动原理，应该都是Jin。
Auggie是她的圣母分身，因此无法忍受staircase要用朋友的大脑而愤然退出（vs原著程心亲自下场劝云天明捐大脑），公开纳米技术IP，去贫民窟装干净水，之后应该会被选作执剑人，在需要按按钮的时候眼前闪过审判日号上被切的小孩而无法按下去。。最后阻止韦德造光速飞船的应该也是她。
这样一改，原著程心身上的双标伪善矛盾之处都没有了，Jin和Auggie都是可以自洽的角色，看起来舒服多了。这么一改，程心（Jin）和云天明（Will）的感情线也舒服多了。云天明（Alex Sharp）选得非常好。买星星那一幕配上打雷姐的Video Games BGM很好哭。
另外我觉得Auggie好美，虽然好像在中文观众群和英文群（Reddit）上很多人都不喜欢她 🤣 Jin角色很丰满，有人格魅力。编剧把她塑造的很好，应该加鸡腿🍗
最大的败笔是把叶文洁改编成了一个邪教头子一样的角色。鹅版统帅感叹“人类的落日”的时候，网飞版叶文洁在关心主是否认为她是一个liar。最后和罗辑的对话也非常娱乐，讲了一个爱因斯坦蛋疼的故事。我看编剧有点蛋疼。
对，三部揉在一起了
可能编剧没有看懂书。。。
In a good way?
Auggie明显是要承担庄颜的职能啊！
是的，原著的程心很矛盾，真要这么一改的话更make sense
而且罗辑和下一代执剑人还变成了有感情纠葛。
我觉得是编剧没想把重点放在这个人物身上。。所以她的故事很多都简化了。
My thoughts as a newcomer after finishing the Netflix series Discussion - General I've never read the books but after watching Netflix's first season, I absolutely love the premise and am yearning for more. The idea of humanity being given a four-hundred-year warning of impending doom is just so fascinating and I'm excited to see how the books explore the social, political, philosophical, and scientific implications. However, even having never read the books, I feel like the show's pacing was way too fast. I was also expecting more hard sci-fi elements in the show like more exploring of orbital mechanics of a tri-solar system or more philosopical debates about contact with an extra-terrestrial intelligent life-form, particularly one that is generations ahead of us technologically.
也有可能，可能他们重点都放到后面的黑暗森林威慑还有第三部的三个童话上面了，叶文洁只是个引子
墙内说网飞为醋做饺子，我就觉得是有种秃头老觉得别人闲的没事总在盯着他头看的感觉。事实上在如此宏大的故事里，有着这么多脑洞可以钻，对文革毫无概念的外网观众根本不会对那点文革戏产生兴趣，进而也不会对叶文洁这个人物有很多理解和共鸣，把她的故事简化了把篇幅让给其他精彩部分，我觉得是可以理解的改编。
只有深刻理解文革背景的老中，才更会为她的悲剧和选择而动容。
我看墙里黑网飞版的，说为什么正面人物改的不是中国人了，叶文洁反面人物为什么不改？真要改了，叶统领的粉丝要掀桌子了吧。还有网飞版把她杀夫的情节都删了，算把这个人物往好处改了吧？结果这又背上了一个人物扁平化的锅。。
也是。可能部分中国书粉（包括我自己）纠结的点在于把叶文洁扁平/坏人化了，觉得意难平。 但确实从整个三部曲的立意，和观众背景来说，这样的改编也不算是个deal breaker。我只是觉得如果最后能拍出叶文洁跟罗辑讲黑暗森林法则，逻辑上就更圆满了。也许是担心观众看不懂，为啥叶文洁一会儿帮三体人一会儿帮地球人？
我没觉得网飞把她坏人化啊，她最后的转变还拍的挺明显的。她最后不是跟主宣战了吗，我觉得她那段独白挺震撼的。回中国前也特地去找saul聊天暗示黑暗森林法则了。我记得书里头她也只是简短的暗示了罗辑，罗辑回家去悟了很多年才悟出来的。
我觉得网飞是把她拍的简单直线化了。本来一直信任主，听了Evans 和主的对话，发现主是个dick, 就立即倒戈了。 书里的叶文洁转变的过程很漫长很纠结。。。
我不觉得把杀夫的情节改了是往好处改了 为什么在有些人眼里 人就是非好即坏 非黑即白的呢？ 叶文洁是一个很复杂的人物 她杀夫有她的挣扎 也有她自己认为的信仰 这不一定就是好或者坏 这书里每个人都不是简单的一是一二是二.. 乃飞把叶文洁简单处理有它的原因 可有的观众比如我不买账，难道就是错的么？
这位仁兄想看到但又没有在Netflix中看到的那些硬科幻和三体对人类社会全方位的冲撞，书中都有，腾讯版也呈现了一部分。不过这些改编都无法企及原书的高度和深度。
你没错，网飞三体也没错。任何一部作品的改编都无法让所有人满意。
所以书是无法替代的啊，亚麻上三体小说的销量不是一下子上去了么😊
刚看到Reddit上有人解释了叶文洁那个蛋疼joke是暗喻黑暗森林法则。但我还是觉得很勉强啊
Einstein dies, he has his violin. He loves his violin, even more than women. He''s excited to find out how well he can play in heaven. He imagines he''ll be pretty damn good. Humanity Enters the universe and they''re excited to begin to talk to it
He starts to tune up and all the angels rush at him. "What are you doing?" they say, "I''m getting ready to play" "Don''t do that, god won''t like it. He''s a saxaphonist" Humanity begins to make a sound, Ye wenjie makes a message. Trisolaris responds "Do not answer" This is the warning
He doesn''t play, But it''s difficult. He loves music and there''s actually not much to do in heaven. Padding to the story/ not much to interpret. Maybe Ye is implying her idea that humanity is flawed. And sure enough from high above he hear''s a saxaphone. It''s playing "Take the A Train" Einstein knows it too, and he thinks. "I''m going to do it. I''m going to play with Him" "We''re going to sound great together" So he starts playing "Take the A Train" Ye wenjie/Humanity give into the urge to respond. We reveal our location in the universe to trisolaris
The saxophone stops and God appears. He marches over to einstein and kicks him in the balls. Which hurts, even in heaven. Humanity is hypothetically killed in the invasion
Then he smashes Einstein''s beloved violin to bits. Eternity without music, Heaven has turned to hell for Einstein. And as he writhes on the ground, holding his smashes balls, An angel comes over and says, "We warned you" "Never play with god" The information hazard of the Dark Forest causes humanity to prevent signals going out into the universe. The universe becomes hell. Ye Wenjie, after this joke, emphasises to Saul that jokes are important. We may die without them. The idea of the dark forest comes from the emphasis of the warning, an added element may come from the concept of silence in the universe being prevalent in this metaphor.
我也不太理解，看编剧后面怎么圆吧
你说的叶文洁的转变过程是非常纠结漫长的 这点我同意 她从一开始的信仰 到后面信仰崩塌 本来就不是一个简单的过程 乃飞简化的太过了
原著粉在评价时候， 一定要拎清楚一个基本的现实逻辑， 奈飞拍片是要挣钱的， 是要讨好更多目标观众买账的， 他们可不是为了花钱满足三体粉们对三体世界的幻想的
没办法，三体第一本书等于叶文洁传，腾讯那样需要水时长的也可以慢慢的拍她的戏。网飞版第一季8集就要拍那么多东西，简化了她的故事我觉得可惜但是可以理解。
我看的时候也觉得will哭兮兮的戏份有点太多，但是想想作为一个孤脑入敌军的英雄，他值得。而且后面还有他的重头戏。
嗯，有点意思。
我回去就二刷！！
哈哈哈you are doing your part!!
现在这部剧在网飞的播放量是第一名。我昨天开始二刷了。平时当背景音放一放也是可以的嘛。
就你清醒！
我已经二刷完毕，过一段时间三刷
keep it up!! 我今天中午去gym也刷了一刷
网飞剧集速度要快才能抓住观众口味，谁那么有耐心想理解一个老奶奶的转变。说实话，我看国内版的时候，觉得拍的不错，但是有些慢，很多时候加速看完。 书里人物确实也很多很杂，比较扁平，必须合并一下，有个贯穿的主角比较好。Netflix 是有经验的。
auggie是汪淼
Auggie现在看来是汪淼+部分程心，只怕之后还有庄颜！