随便贴一个天河3的帖子 China's secretive Tianhe 3 supercomputer uses homegrown hybrid CPU — rivals US systems with 1.57 Exaflops of performance: Report News By Anton Shilov published February 12, 2024 Tianhe 3 could achieve peak performance of 1.57 ExaFLOPS. (Image credit: Top500.org/News.cn) One of the mysteries surrounding China's Tianhe 3 (Xingyi) supercomputer is what hardware is used to build it. A recent article by The Next Platform has shed light on the MT-3000 processor designed by the National University of Defense Technology (NUDT). As it turns out, the MT-3000 features a unique heterogeneous architecture that includes general-purpose CPU cores, control cores, and matrix accelerator cores. NUDT's MT-3000 processor features a multi-zone structure that packs 16 general-purpose CPU cores with 96 control cores and 1,536 accelerator cores, according to The Next Platform. The MT-3000 processor reportedly achieves 11.6 FP64 TFLOPS of peak performance and demonstrates a power efficiency of 45.4 GigaFLOPS/Watt at an operational frequency of 1.20 GHz. The key aspect of the MT-3000 architecture is that it packs both general-purpose and matrix acceleration cores into the same piece of silicon. To some degree, this integration mirrors the design philosophy behind AMD's Instinct MI300A CPU-GPU hybrid, suggesting a shift away from conventional discrete CPU-GPU systems towards more cohesive and efficient designs. Meanwhile, unlike AMD's multi-chiplet Instinct MI300A, the MT-3000 looks to be a monolithic design. Sponsored Links
This New Device Is Leaving Nеurоpathу Experts BaffledHealth Insight JournalLearn More Being a heavily packed CPU, the MT-3000 has to be made on an advanced process technology, which could range from 14nm to 10nm down and to potentially 7nm technologies, The Next Platform suggests. The chip is likely made by Chinese foundry SMIC, which also produces a rather advanced HiSilicon Kirin 9000S processor for Huawei using its second-gen 7nm process technology. Meanwhile, it is unclear whether SMIC has enough 7nm production capacity to make chips both for Huawei and NUDT. As a result, it is possible that the MT-3000 uses a different production node. With the MT-3000 at its core, the Tianhe-3 is believed to achieve unprecedented computational performance, potentially reaching 1.57 ExaFLOPS on LINPACK benchmarks. This projection not only highlights the processor's central role in advancing China's supercomputing capabilities but also signals a significant improvement for the country. In comparison, Frontier, the fastest supercomputer in the US, reaches 1.102 ExaFLOPS of performance. The MT-3000 processor represents a leap forward in high-performance computing (HPC) technology for China. With its hybrid architecture, high-performance efficiency, and potentially a very sophisticated production node, the MT-3000 looks to be a competitive chip, potentially positioning China at the forefront of global HPC development.
补充下背景, 目前全球能说得上名的造CPU的就这两家公司+苹果(以防有些大妈不知道), 所以禁这两家芯片也就是说国内现在能造可以凑合用的CPU了.
不仅包括AMD和INTEL的芯片, 还有微软的windows系统和oracle的数据库, 和苹果一样, 政府单位都不让用了. 也就是说国内目前半导体产业的发展进度大概到了能造出可以用的CPU+操作系统+数据库的程度了, 这也太快了, 算了下从芯片禁运到现在还不到 5 年吧. 目前应该就剩GPU还没大的突破, 不过看这个速度, 下个 5 年内有爆炸新闻也是大概率事件.
国内的芯片产业一旦起来, 新能源车卖到白菜价的情况又要重演一遍了, 不过也是好事, 要是GPU能卖到白菜价, 总体来说对于全人类的AI技术发展是个好事, 能让人类社会的整体生产力再来个爆发.
国外的X86 CPU基本就这两家, 市占率99%. 台式机和笔记本基本都用的X86 CPU. 苹果的笔记本和IMAC是ARM架构, 它们自己搞的, 但是苹果之外的市场也就这两家的CPU了.
国内早就有x86的授权生产能力，而且在授权基础上自己开发了不少新品
海光是amd授权的，主做服务器cpu
兆芯是via授权的。桌面办公电脑大概率是这家。
大陆CPU有好几种,
海光C86-3185、华为鲲鹏920s、飞腾FT-2000、兆芯KX-6880、兆芯KX-6640、龙芯3A4000
华为的那款 8核的,性能跟前几年intel的i5 8250差不多
Linux系统就一开源的，反而有后面到没什么。 有能力的公司，可以去修复。 而且，windows又不是开源，你怎么抄袭后门？
现在华为，360，都是给开源Linux，修复贡献很多的公司。
大家能不能用比较通俗的语言解释一下， 什么是“后门”。。
盖茨反复说微软没有后门，华为也没有后门。。
后门到底能干些啥，像智子一样监控？
就像现在国内很多公务员系统的人都担心手机（包括微信之类的）会窃听他们的谈话并且上传。。 所以现在谈事情又跑到大澡堂子去了。。
话说美国公司如Intel AMD也是没骨气，你可以向美国政府投诉美国对中国政策毁了他们的生意啊，APPL/msft也是，有点骨气好吗，你们是有底气骂美国政府的，尤其是民主党。
这有不是很大的市场，而且中国国产化很多年了， 在市场没影响的
政府采购百分比不高，有个2%？
从市场规模上和美国现在有些州禁ticktok的力度差不多。但是对于那几家国产cpu厂商可以不一样了。
国内CPU才起步，没啥商业竞争力
所以只能靠政府部门采购，形成商业正循环，帮助厂家迭代升级，并打造生态环境 政府部门电脑也不用打游戏，平常就是一些文件处理，对各种性能要求并不是很高
你楼下就告诉你为啥人家不care了
你办公室没有cnbc吗？
查了一下intel i5-8250U 4核8线程 passmark benchmark 仅仅5889分。
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-8250U+%40+1.60GHz&id=3042
而我2年多以前买的便宜笔记本 i5 passmark benchmark 都有15000分。
如果华为8核的只相当于i5-8250U，那太慢了！
不想看对方不爽 各自玩自己的挺好。只要不要神经病打热战就好
后门就是字面意思
你有你家钥匙，别人有你家后门钥匙。
偷窥你房事或者盗窃你财产都看人家想不想做而已
你确定政府部门不需要高性能CPU和GPU？科研院所，军事机关，航天，地震，海洋，气候部门是不是政府机关。金融银行证券是不是政府机关？他们都不需要？
这俩基本就是主流了吧。
主要是没扩大到国内所有的电脑,
目前只限于政府等机关.
如果是中国整个市场,大约占了intel的4分之一收入
其实就是给国内的处理器制造商 创造一个市场,
有了这个市场,这几家公司互相竞争,
将来的获胜者,就是中国版的intel或 amd
如果没有这个禁令, 中国国内的CPU制造商,永远 不可能竞争过intel和amd
现在普通办公CPU 算力都多了 和两年前比CPU 性能慢倒不是主要问题
软硬件适配 用户学习成本巨大。要说这世界不计成本集中力量办大事什么都可以。但如果什么都自己弄 是否可负担就是一回事了 特别经济下行过程中的中国
成本虽然大,
但也创造了不少就业岗位.
关键是美国现在连 玩游戏的NVIDIA RTX4090显卡都不准对中国出口了,
谁能保证哪一天美国不会切断intel和amd对中国的供货.
所以必须要提前培养国内的制造商
需要什么不是最重要的 最重要的什么能买到 美国禁令一出 他们就只能选择用国产还是从此下岗拿低保 你猜他们选择哪个
其实也可以用，关键是不能连接互联网，有后门资料也无法传回总部。
你我看的是同一个AMD吗？ 我看的AMD，过去一年涨幅82％，今年ytd21％，这是‘’熊样‘’股票？
办公大部分就是打字写稿件打印文件 配个linux和wps 这个cpu绰绰有余
不用长期，三年来看。
随便贴一个天河3的帖子
China's secretive Tianhe 3 supercomputer uses homegrown hybrid CPU — rivals US systems with 1.57 Exaflops of performance: Report News By Anton Shilov published February 12, 2024 Tianhe 3 could achieve peak performance of 1.57 ExaFLOPS.
This New Device Is Leaving Nеurоpathу Experts Baffled Health Insight Journal Learn More
Being a heavily packed CPU, the MT-3000 has to be made on an advanced process technology, which could range from 14nm to 10nm down and to potentially 7nm technologies, The Next Platform suggests. The chip is likely made by Chinese foundry SMIC, which also produces a rather advanced HiSilicon Kirin 9000S processor for Huawei using its second-gen 7nm process technology. Meanwhile, it is unclear whether SMIC has enough 7nm production capacity to make chips both for Huawei and NUDT. As a result, it is possible that the MT-3000 uses a different production node. With the MT-3000 at its core, the Tianhe-3 is believed to achieve unprecedented computational performance, potentially reaching 1.57 ExaFLOPS on LINPACK benchmarks. This projection not only highlights the processor's central role in advancing China's supercomputing capabilities but also signals a significant improvement for the country. In comparison, Frontier, the fastest supercomputer in the US, reaches 1.102 ExaFLOPS of performance. The MT-3000 processor represents a leap forward in high-performance computing (HPC) technology for China. With its hybrid architecture, high-performance efficiency, and potentially a very sophisticated production node, the MT-3000 looks to be a competitive chip, potentially positioning China at the forefront of global HPC development.
看干什么，办公的话，性能足够了，比8250差几代的笔记本办公也够了
我觉得是政府和业界评估，都觉得时机到了，就算没有芯片战，政府强推自主芯片和操作系统也就是个时间问题
国内光街上地铁高速上的摄像头，就知道要有多少算力在后面支撑了， 如果只是录像也就算了，国内的摄像头都在搞连网识别。 更不要说其他的和材料航天器设计生物医学有关的
看来这几年 打磨 芯片的技术又提高了不少。现在是汉芯几代了？
中共急需美帝全社会有你这种对中国轻视，傲慢的认知。
美国人一般没有轮子1450那么自大，否则也不会这么认真地搞封锁了。 反而是认了美爹的黄皮植人比较看低国内的发展。可惜它们这么卖力，美爹还是连个正眼也没有。
京东搜 神舟 HFMPF601 用的是龙芯3A 6000 处理器.
国内商城一堆 国产CPU的电脑,都已经卖好几年了