川普刚刚通过匈牙利总理向欧洲带话:我当选,一分钱也不会给乌克兰

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hellohappy
楼主 (北美华人网)
与此同时,共和党参议员Mike Lee,说,北约只能在美国和乌克兰两个中,选一个。
Senator Mike Lee, a Utah Republican, issued a stern warning to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in an opinion piece published by The American Conservative on Saturday.
"If Ukraine is in NATO, the United States should be out, plain and simple. We must draw a redline with NATO: You can have Ukraine or the United States," Lee wrote.
The senator''s comments followed after NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg''s recent statements, which came just after the two-year anniversary of Russia''s invasion of Ukraine.
感觉好无情!


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Immandfuel
婊子无情,戏子无义,政客无情又无义
泽连斯基终究还是年轻了,在没有任何政治经验就被扶上重任,一时飘飘,看不到国际政治的残酷现实、弱肉强食和尔虞我诈。
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Immandfuel
马克龙叫喊着北约派兵进场,本以为其他北约国家的领导人会装聋作哑,含糊其辞,让他把这个B装满格,树立个青年国际小英雄的国际新形象,结果一个比一个打脸,北约秘书长,美国国防部,德国总理,奥地利总理,甚至法国议员,一个个明确站出来说,那是马克龙自己的一厢情愿,是他个人的想法,他甚至不能代表法国官方的立场。
脸打得啪啪的。
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BigWatermelon
拜登家族在乌克兰捞钱洗钱, 川普上台后跟乌克兰要拜登和他儿子贪腐的证据, 乌克兰就是不给, 2020年大选的时候还拼命站台拜登. 川普肯定要报仇.
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westlake
拉倒吧,那个(说拜登儿子拿钱的)所谓证人已经承认是编造的证据了,还要在这里造谣!
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Immandfuel
回复 3楼 Immandfuel 的帖子
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destiny2008
westlake 发表于 2024-03-11 13:53
拉倒吧,那个所谓证人已经承认是编造的证据了,还要在这里造谣!

造谣真是黄右们与生俱来的天性
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hellohappy
回复 2楼 Immandfuel 的帖子
不知道他为什么看不懂,议会政治的特点,有天然的反对派,一旦反对派掌控国会,很容易就会推翻之前的决定。总统或者首相也是几年一选,下台了啥承诺也是白瞎。
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SAT
北约章程不允许有任何领土争端的国家火线入党,否则Article 5马上就把整个北约拉入战争了。随着华约和前苏联的解体,北约这个架构已经有些过时,需要重新考量了。
不限制的军事同盟是导致一战,然后二战的直接原因:本来奥匈帝国皇储在萨拉热窝遇刺是个治安事件, 但是奥匈和德国同盟,Serb和俄国同盟,一来二去这种”attack on one is attack on all”的军事联盟就把局部冲突变成世界大战了。
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qqyxgz
事实是,目前有超过300 名加拿大军人在乌克兰
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/operations/military-operations/current-operations/operation-unifier.html#
Operation UNIFIER From: National Defence Operation UNIFIER is the Canadian Armed Forces’ (CAF) military training and capacity building mission in support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It was launched in 2015 at the request of the Ukrainian government, and in 2023, was extended until March 2026.  There are currently over 300 CAF members now deployed under Op UNIFIER training and support roles, as well as aiding in the facilitation of military aid delivery. Since the start of Op UNIFIER, the CAF has trained over 39,000 Ukrainian military and security personnel in battlefield tactics and advanced military skills. As the mission progressed, much of the direct training undertaken by CAF members transitioned to members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with Canadians acting as advisors and mentors as well as assisting in the development of courses. From 2019-2022, members of Op UNIFIER also played a leading role in the Multinational Coordination Cell (MCC), which facilitated coordination with the training missions of partner nations in Ukraine. This included planning training priorities among multinational partners such as Denmark, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Canada was the first nation to provide full time staff to the MCC. Aspects of the mission were temporarily paused following the February 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine, with a commitment to resume training when and where conditions permitted. Training of Ukrainian recruits has since resumed with Canada currently supporting multiple training missions in the UK, Poland, and Latvia that teach both basic and advanced military skills to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These include:
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回复 8楼 hellohappy 的帖子
民主政治会跟民意变化而转变。独裁政治才能一条道跑到黑一直到元首饮弹自尽。
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bzzby
新注册个马甲就是用来造谣的吗
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flyingforce
Immandfuel 发表于 2024-03-11 13:47
马克龙叫喊着北约派兵进场,本以为其他北约国家的领导人会装聋作哑,含糊其辞,让他把这个B装满格,树立个青年国际小英雄的国际新形象,结果一个比一个打脸,北约秘书长,美国国防部,德国总理,奥地利总理,甚至法国议员,一个个明确站出来说,那是马克龙自己的一厢情愿,是他个人的想法,他甚至不能代表法国官方的立场。
脸打得啪啪的。

看了前面半段还以为马克龙真的咋了,看到最后一句“他甚至不能代表法国官方的立场”只能呵呵了,法国总统不能代表法国官方的立场?倒是那所谓的法国议员能代表法国官方的立场?这编得还能再不靠谱一点么?
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Springhill999
造谣真是黄右们与生俱来的天性
destiny2008 发表于 2024-03-11 14:00

这跟你黄左杂有啥关系。
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qqyxgz
欧洲不需要美国也能打败俄罗斯, 床铺如果当选后真这样做, 欧洲真正自立了,美国退出欧洲一别两宽各自欢喜
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Springhill999
qqyxgz 发表于 2024-03-11 14:32
欧洲不需要美国也能打败俄罗斯, 床铺如果当选后真这样做, 欧洲真正自立了,美国退出欧洲一别两宽各自欢喜

所以老川外交是真不行。
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destiny2008
Springhill999 发表于 2024-03-11 14:31
这跟你黄左杂有啥关系。

大家有没有发现黄右们特别喜欢以spring开头做id,另外一个是purple,lol
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wonaiwangerxiao
这些政治帖,让我意识到:论坛,也是战场。
隐约觉得,中国的确试图通过在这类论坛引导这部分它能影响的人的投票,来影响美国的选举。
落地无声
wonaiwangerxiao 发表于 2024-03-11 14:39
这些政治帖,让我意识到:论坛,也是战场。
隐约觉得,中国的确试图通过在这类论坛引导这部分它能影响的人的投票,来影响美国的选举。

你2013年注册的2016年没有来过鲜花?
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Springhill999
大家有没有发现黄右们特别喜欢以spring开头做id,另外一个是purple,lol
destiny2008 发表于 2024-03-11 14:36

这都有啥关系? 黄左杂瞎联系个啥呢。
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destiny2008
Springhill999 发表于 2024-03-11 14:43
这都有啥关系? 黄左杂瞎联系个啥呢。

据我观察,春山 春树的都是一些老黄右喜欢的名字,叫春的喜欢当黄右
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airsense
你相信就好,还民意呢,可笑至极
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yoyoandme
你们爱左就左,爱右就右,一口一个黄,难道你自己不黄。还是觉得自己是白
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yangcongtou
看了前面半段还以为马克龙真的咋了,看到最后一句“他甚至不能代表法国官方的立场”只能呵呵了,法国总统不能代表法国官方的立场?倒是那所谓的法国议员能代表法国官方的立场?这编得还能再不靠谱一点么?
flyingforce 发表于 2024-03-11 14:25

拨款,派兵,宣战都是议会才能决定的,总统哪有这个权限? 否则拜登推动的援乌法案为什么一直通不过? 美国的官方到底是啥?总统行政只是政府官方的一部分而已,立法议会也甚至更代表官方啊。
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piggymm
在民主灯塔国混了这么多年应该学会了吧?
一党执政的国家,领导和民意不合,那叫独裁 多党轮替的国家,领导和民意不合,那叫民主
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mingrimingyue
与此同时,共和党参议员Mike Lee,说,北约只能在美国和乌克兰两个中,选一个。
Senator Mike Lee, a Utah Republican, issued a stern warning to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in an opinion piece published by The American Conservative on Saturday.
"If Ukraine is in NATO, the United States should be out, plain and simple. We must draw a redline with NATO: You can have Ukraine or the United States," Lee wrote.
The senator''s comments followed after NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg''s recent statements, which came just after the two-year anniversary of Russia''s invasion of Ukraine.
感觉好无情!



hellohappy 发表于 2024-03-11 13:41

知道啦知道啦
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liulaolao
SAT 发表于 2024-03-11 14:21
回复 8楼 hellohappy 的帖子
民主政治会跟民意变化而转变。独裁政治才能一条道跑到黑一直到元首饮弹自尽。

但你怎么知道民意是对的?真理往往在少数人手里,否则的话,不是人人是成功人士了?
就算民意是对的,你又如何确保政府领导人正确地解读了民意?


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XDKS2023
有些人真的好幼稚, 以为美国总统的权利有多大, 想干什么就能干成什么. 川普也当过四年总统, 他竞选时说过要做的事不知道做成了几件. Biden也是一样. 就是习大大和普大地都不是想干什么就能干什么.
竞选竞选, 说出来的话, 特别是反复说的东西都是为了选票.
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XDKS2023
回复 24楼 liulaolao 的帖子
民意就是民意, 哪有什么对错之分.
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awen
他有没有说打算给多少钱给以色列
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mermaidyuu
awen 发表于 2024-03-11 16:42
他有没有说打算给多少钱给以色列

他可能要先去问问他女婿
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Immandfuel 发表于 2024-03-11 13:47
马克龙叫喊着北约派兵进场,本以为其他北约国家的领导人会装聋作哑,含糊其辞,让他把这个B装满格,树立个青年国际小英雄的国际新形象,结果一个比一个打脸,北约秘书长,美国国防部,德国总理,奥地利总理,甚至法国议员,一个个明确站出来说,那是马克龙自己的一厢情愿,是他个人的想法,他甚至不能代表法国官方的立场。
脸打得啪啪的。

我听说法国军队自拿破仑以后就没打过胜仗,连大清帝国都打不过
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mermaidyuu 发表于 2024-03-11 16:44
他可能要先去问问他女婿

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morse_homology
金银岛 发表于 2024-03-11 16:57
我听说法国军队自拿破仑以后就没打过胜仗,连大清帝国都打不过

法国人在凡尔登击败德国。
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chiffongirlx
SAT 发表于 2024-03-11 14:18
北约章程不允许有任何领土争端的国家火线入党,否则Article 5马上就把整个北约拉入战争了。随着华约和前苏联的解体,北约这个架构已经有些过时,需要重新考量了。
不限制的军事同盟是导致一战,然后二战的直接原因:本来奥匈帝国皇储在萨拉热窝遇刺是个治安事件, 但是奥匈和德国同盟,Serb和俄国同盟,一来二去这种”attack on one is attack on all”的军事联盟就把局部冲突变成世界大战了。

华约早解散了,北约还在继续做大,当然假想敌从华约时代开始就没变
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chiffongirlx
SAT 发表于 2024-03-11 14:21
回复 8楼 hellohappy 的帖子
民主政治会跟民意变化而转变。独裁政治才能一条道跑到黑一直到元首饮弹自尽。

西方政府领导人也不是真正代表民意的,应该代表的是他后面的势力想做的想达到的,民意只是甜点,除非民意大到要动摇国本了。
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回复 34楼 chiffongirlx 的帖子
没那么复杂, 就是真正的民意, 只是民意很容易被引导和控制.
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AnjiaToronto
hellohappy 发表于 2024-03-11 13:41
与此同时,共和党参议员Mike Lee,说,北约只能在美国和乌克兰两个中,选一个。
Senator Mike Lee, a Utah Republican, issued a stern warning to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in an opinion piece published by The American Conservative on Saturday.
"If Ukraine is in NATO, the United States should be out, plain and simple. We must draw a redline with NATO: You can have Ukraine or the United States," Lee wrote.
The senator''s comments followed after NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg''s recent statements, which came just after the two-year anniversary of Russia''s invasion of Ukraine.
感觉好无情!



Bye, Trump, not worthy of trust. LOL
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drowned123
乌克兰有些太take everything for granted了
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destiny2008 发表于 2024-03-11 14:36
大家有没有发现黄右们特别喜欢以spring开头做id,另外一个是purple,lol

还有扶字开头lol
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bjeam
回复 1楼 hellohappy 的帖子
说川普不通俄谁信啊!
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happy3001
乌克兰在作死路上一路狂奔。谁也救不了。
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getclues
你是智商不够吗?就在这里断章取义。他有能力 end the war, 为啥还要给乌克兰钱?有人给你钱买枪买炮让你儿子带着枪炮上战场送死,你高兴不?
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nullb
他要说一分钱不给以色列我还敬他一条汉子。欺软怕弱的东西
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qqyxgz
继英国之后, 又一个国家开始行动了…… 3000亿俄罗斯海外资产将被用于帮助乌克兰抵抗俄罗斯,老美靠边站吧。
俄罗斯愤怒了, 召见瑞士大使表达强烈抗议!!!!
Moscow Summons Swiss Ambassador Over Frozen Assets Plan
By AFP - Agence France Presse March 12, 2024
Russia summoned the Swiss ambassador for a dressing down Tuesday after lawmakers in Bern backed moves towards allowing Ukraine to use frozen Russian assets.
Swiss lawmakers last week approved a series of motions that could pave the way for the government to work on an international basis to see how billions of dollars of Russia''s frozen assets could be used for reparations to Ukraine.
Russia''s foreign ministry said it had summoned Switzerland''s envoy Krystyna Marty Lang to condemn the move, which Moscow said "grossly violates the fundamental principles and norms of international law."
Western countries froze around $300 billion of the Russian central bank''s assets and reserves that were held in its jurisdictions after Moscow ordered hundreds of thousands of troops into Ukraine in February 2022.
Calls to use the cash pile to support Ukraine have grown as the war enters its third year, though there is no consensus over exactly how or to what extent the assets can be used.
Moscow strongly opposes the West using the funds for reparation payments to Kyiv as compensation for the damage caused by its full-scale military offensive. "It was emphasised that any encroachment on Russian state property under the guise of some contrived ''repatriation mechanism'' would be nothing more than theft on a governmental level," Russia''s foreign ministry said in a statement after the envoy had been summoned.
More than $8 billion in Russian central bank reserves and assets are frozen in Switzerland. The World Bank estimated last month that the total cost of reconstruction and recovery facing Ukraine is at least $486 billion.