哈佛大学科学家发现,工作到65岁再退休的人会长寿。大家信么?

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appleseeds
楼主 (北美华人网)
为什么和退休金年龄契合度这么好
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ccdywlj
我是肯定要工作到65才能/才敢退休的,我选择相信
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ATP
工作到那个年纪都是没办法的,不能死lol
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whatif9999
还有一个可能是:有力气工作到65岁的人本来就健康,不健康的早已退了。是相关性不是因果性。
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daremighty
哈哈,美国人平均寿命都下降了,难道是因为都退休早了?
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nonane
这种破研究是不是存粹浪费钱
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elastigirl
为什么和退休金年龄契合度这么好
appleseeds 发表于 2024-02-01 15:15

这是不是把因果关系搞反了,或者根本没有因果关系.身体不健康能为资本家工作50年吗?能熬到65以后才退,各方面条件都要符合才能做到啊.
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Cumberbitch
MIT发现,打麻将到80岁的人更长寿
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pj
Correlation isn’t causation
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babylye
回复 1楼appleseeds的帖子
65岁,退休金,医保都有着落了,心态好了,导致的?
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zhangxx818
为什么和退休金年龄契合度这么好
appleseeds 发表于 2024-02-01 15:15

韭菜不够了……
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azhe
为什么和退休金年龄契合度这么好
appleseeds 发表于 2024-02-01 15:15

You're likely to live longer than 65 if you retire after 65.
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digialalpha
我觉得不上班、靠吃利息过一辈子应该能活得更长一点。
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fluker
感觉哈佛大学整天没事养了一堆诺贝尔奖得主就是为了给大家灌各种心灵鸡汤养生秘诀。
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coalpilerd
这个科学家一看就没考过GRE。逻辑零分的节奏啊。
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Moduoke
过两天哪位写个更厉害的。。
工作到90岁的更长寿。。
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balancer
MIT发现,打麻将到80岁的人更长寿
Cumberbitch 发表于 2024-02-01 15:23

这个确实是,我姥姥就是打麻将到85,最后92走的
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humanzh
这个确实是,我姥姥就是打麻将到85,最后92走的
balancer 发表于 2024-02-01 15:32

老了打麻将还是好的,动动脑子,动动手, 有益健康。
但打麻将和老了不得不在沃尔玛工作推车,早起晚归,可不是一回事啊!
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apple44
楼主标题错误: 根本不是哈佛大学教授,只是一个Ohio State University 博士生的研究,这个博士生还是华人。这个研究也不是新的,是2016年的。 说是他们研究了2956个50岁以上的人,发现大多数人都是65岁退休(因为Social Security吧),但如果66岁退休,这个人群的死亡率比65岁退休的要低11%。
https://hbr.org/2016/10/youre-likely-to-live-longer-if-you-retire-after-65 You’re Likely to Live Longer If You Retire After 65 by Nicole Torres From the Magazine (October 2016)
The research: Chenkai Wu, a PhD student in public health at Oregon State University, teamed up with OSU professors Robert Stawski and Michelle Odden and Colorado State’s Gwenith Fisher to examine data from the Health and Retirement Study, a longitudinal survey of Americans age 50 and over. When they looked at the sample of 2,956 people who had begun participating in the study in 1992 and retired by 2010, the researchers found that the majority had retired around age 65. But a statistical analysis showed that when people retired at age 66 instead, their mortality rates dropped by 11%. The challenge: Does work benefit us in unexpected ways? Is delayed retirement the secret to a longer life? Mr. Wu, defend your research. Wu: That’s the conclusion we are leaning toward. What’s interesting is that we didn’t find any sociodemographic, lifestyle, or health factors that affected the relationship between delayed retirement and a lower risk of dying. When we looked at just the unhealthy retirees in the sample—who accounted for 1,022 of the 2,956 participants—we still found that retiring one year later was associated with a 9% lower mortality risk. HBR: What were some of the other factors that you controlled for? The typical variables—gender, ethnicity, age, education, marital status, and wealth. We also grouped people into three categories of occupations: white-collar jobs, service jobs, and blue-collar jobs. And we took into account more-detailed health- or lifestyle-related variables, like consumption of cigarettes and alcohol, exercise, body mass index, self-reported health ratings, and disabilities. Then we evaluated a number of chronic conditions, like diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease. We still found that retirement age was related to mortality, beyond all those variables. How did you define retirement? We considered it to be the first year people responded to the survey saying they were “completely retired.” For healthy people, the average age was right about 65, and the range was about age 53 to 78. For unhealthy people, the average age was only six months earlier, around age 64 and a half, and the range was about age 59 to 79. Correlation isn’t causation. So you’re not necessarily saying working longer means you’ll live longer? Right. You’d have a long way to go to prove causation—and I’m not even sure that you could. To prove causation, the gold standard would be to do a randomized control trial, and it’s probably unethical and unrealistic to randomly assign people different retirement ages. But should everyone delay retirement in hopes of living longer? A lot of people have framed this as “Retire early, die early; or retire late, die late.” But that’s not actually the main message we want to convey. What we really want people to think about is “What does work represent?” There are a lot of social benefits related to working: You’re more active, you’re more engaged, you’re talking with your peers, and so on. Losing those when you retire can be harsh. Has anyone else looked at this phenomenon? The literature on the relationship between retirement age and longevity is still developing. The findings are mixed. Most research shows that delayed retirement helps reduce mortality. A couple of studies show no relationship, and still others show that delayed retirement is detrimental or that early retirement is beneficial. We extended the previous research by accounting for the healthy-worker bias and by looking at a more representative sample. Other studies had narrow samples, like German firefighters or U.S. petrochemical workers. Has the trend shifted toward retiring later? Only very recently. Until the past couple of years, we actually saw a trend toward early retirement in the U.S. The United States is a perfect place to study this because Americans have the flexibility of retiring at any age they want—if they’ve saved enough money. In contrast, many European countries have a mandatory retirement age. I initially got interested in this research because of the recent debate over China’s mandatory retirement laws. The Chinese government is trying to raise the retirement age. I looked for data on the relationship between retirement age and health, but I couldn’t find any. Why would a later retirement affect longevity? Our theory is that a later retirement may actually delay when your physical and cognitive functioning starts to decline, because work keeps your mind and body active. If you stay active and socially engaged, it helps maintain your cognitive and physical abilities. It’s definitely a future direction for this line of research. I’m interested in how people’s physical and cognitive functions change over time. Older adults are a very heterogeneous group, so it would be interesting to see whether certain trajectories are beneficial or detrimental. Another theory is that people’s decisions about when to retire are shaped by many factors, including cultural and institutional norms. People will feel happier and more in control if they retire at an age consistent with what the culture of the country expects. In countries like the U.S., where work is highly valued and considered a necessary part of life, I think delayed retirement may be culturally desirable. Here, retiring “on time” might not be at 65; it may actually be a bit later. Work can be stressful, though. Some people can’t wait to retire. Well, the 11% lower death rate is the population average. It may not apply to any one individual. There are certain groups of people who are sick of work and just want to retire as early as possible. For them, doing so might be beneficial. But I think more work needs to be done to identify those groups. Retirement is often called a bittersweet event because it’s a mix of bad things and good things. We believe that retirement is stressful, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad. It’s like getting married—a happy event but one that can cause a lot of stress. Does this possible benefit of delayed retirement help solve the problem of an aging workforce? Everyone tends to focus on whether delaying retirement is good for the economy or not. I think the lesson we want to convey is that we should also think about the health impact. Full-time work, which now means 40 hours a week or more, can be very stressful. But if people can have a slower transition into retirement, maybe working part-time or doing other activities, they’ll stay active and socially engaged in a way that is beneficial to their health. This sounds like good news for us Millennials, who often hear that we’ll never get to retire. Cohorts are different. The people in the study were born between 1931 and 1941, so they’re certainly different from Millennials. The takeaways are really not about the work or retirement age per se—they’re about what those things mean. If you can find something that brings you the same benefits work does, that’s what’s important. A version of this article appeared in the October 2016 issue (pp.28–29) of Harvard Business Review.
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rindo
得首先活到65啊
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nicecool
不是55岁退休的最长寿的吗?
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gongmaa
明天还可以再来一个研究结果,如果坚持工作到90岁,更长寿
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Siren2023
不接受任何人的PUA
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gemeaux0602
工作压力不大的话,我觉得老了工作,脑子不容易糊涂。
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chmod999
某年的保险公司精算部门拿波音公司员工做的数据
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emmachka
95岁退休更长寿呢
感觉哈佛大学整天没事养了一堆诺贝尔奖得主就是为了给大家灌各种心灵鸡汤养生秘诀。
fluker 发表于 2024-02-01 15:30

讲的是个oregan state学生发的文章

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phoenix2002
我的一个邻居,白人男性,大概75岁,退休几年了。去年又开始工作了。我估计是股市下降,现在从退休金账号里拿钱不划算,所以又出来工作了(不过我没有直接问过他,又开始工作的原因)。
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saynomore
NIH paper发现,活到100岁还天天喝酒的人,都能活得很长久。
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northwest
这难道不是 selection bias?
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thatisnotright
回复 1楼appleseeds的帖子
当然信了。 什么样的loser想要65岁以前就退休?这种人本身就有问题。
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mermaidyuu
回复 1楼appleseeds的帖子
当然信了。 什么样的loser想要65岁以前就退休?这种人本身就有问题。
thatisnotright 发表于 2024-02-01 17:02

你才是loser, 你们全家都是loser!
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xiaoyagaga
洗脑洗的这么用心,还研究结果。 我一拍脑袋都知道能工作到65的,身体都还可以。而且工作到老不肯退休的,要么是钱不够养老没法子还得工作(穷人),要么是钱多得可以随便自己怎么造(巴菲特),要么权力太吸引人了(拜登,川普,破陋习,麦康奈尔) 一般普通人工作到一定时间,钱够养老巴不得早点退休。这是忽悠中产当老黄牛,干到死。
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nicecool
巴菲特93岁了,表示一辈子不退休的人最长寿。。。
河边垂钓
还有一个可能是:有力气工作到65岁的人本来就健康,不健康的早已退了。是相关性不是因果性。
whatif9999 发表于 2024-02-01 15:20

有道理,以前国内流行病退,差不多的
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pathdream
亲爱的韭菜 一定要顶住 长到不能割了再说
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teabucket
和55岁退休的比较起来,能多活十年吗?
焱焱
哈哈,社保金不够了,忽悠韭菜作贡献。
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mermaidyuu
和55岁退休的比较起来,能多活十年吗?
teabucket 发表于 2024-02-01 17:21

你这个目标太容易到了,朝20年努力!
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summerpalace123
年纪那么大 天天上班了压力也很大。脑子都没那么快了。还有各种deadline。怎么会更长寿呢 再想想 退休没几天就要牺牲了 太可怜了
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teabucket
你这个目标太容易到了,朝20年努力!
mermaidyuu 发表于 2024-02-01 18:19

如果55退休的活到了80岁,你65退休的活到了85岁,那么你还是吃亏了,你细算算。 除非你认为上班也是一个愉悦的生活体验
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nobodycares
某年的保险公司精算部门拿波音公司员工做的数据
chmod999 发表于 2024-02-01 16:13

这个跟我某一年看到lockheed martin的统计差不多。从50岁开始,越早退休的活的越长。65岁退休平均66.5岁死亡,只拿了18个月的退休金
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Inferno
回复 1楼appleseeds的帖子
这还用说吗。能工作到65的人身体精力肯定好过早早就干不下去的
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Inferno
这个跟我某一年看到lockheed martin的统计差不多。从50岁开始,越早退休的活的越长。65岁退休平均66.5岁死亡,只拿了18个月的退休金
nobodycares 发表于 2024-02-01 18:53

这里晚退休可能意味着家里困难需要这份工资,所以辛苦健康差。能早早退休的人家里不差钱。 总之说明不了什么因果关系
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Dollvalley
我信
荼錓闶
我看我公婆69退休,一退下来后的两年时间,不停在做各种手术,像是一个机器到了快要坏掉的时候,换一换零件,然后发现不是小零件的问题,大零件也要修,反正我感觉对他们打击很大,一下子老了好多
好起来好起来
插个题外话,你们难道觉得65岁退休很晚吗?只是疑问,我一直以为65退休很正常呢退休了没事干不会无聊?所以我一直想的是干到死呢
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poppyjasper
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szwy
插个题外话,你们难道觉得65岁退休很晚吗?只是疑问,我一直以为65退休很正常呢退休了没事干不会无聊?所以我一直想的是干到死呢
好起来好起来 发表于 2024-02-01 22:56

国内是50或者55退休。我觉得早了一点。但是65又有点晚。最好是55-60之间退休。身体还行,退休后还能过几年有质量的生活。
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adorp
为什么和退休金年龄契合度这么好
appleseeds 发表于 2024-02-01 15:15

油汰资本家真是太坏了雇佣这些御用文人用谎言和欺骗来对人民洗脑,妄图极度压榨剥削广大劳工到死,真是不榨干不搞死你不罢休!!敲骨吸髓,无此为甚!!!
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baohu_suk
回复 4楼whatif9999的帖子
所以现在的数据分析就是dirty work
开卷有益
二十年前说工作到62岁更长寿。 五十年前说工作到60岁更长寿。 一百年前说工作到50岁更长寿。 一千年前说工作到40岁更长寿。 两千年前说工作到30岁更长寿。
感觉这个是人类文明进步的结果。
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Gunainai
知道一个72岁退休的,退休3个月他老婆就死了。
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Lilanjiao
要是能工作到65岁也挺开心的,说明我健康平安的活到那会儿了😂
你信吗
也有道理,一天到晚想着早退休的多半是因为现在上班不开心吧,
不开心就不长寿,这个应该是对的吗,没有人能每天不开心还能活得长
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RedCrayon
谁爱退谁退,反正我不退LOL
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niuniu007
为什么和退休金年龄契合度这么好
appleseeds 发表于 2024-02-01 15:15

看看哈佛培养出来的精蝇 棉花议员Tom Cotton 还有什么研究是哈佛“做”不出来的
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lilyal
我同事67还在上班,他说他退休了也没事干,就是每天跟狗坐在沙发上看电视,家里女儿也不结婚,没有孙子辈可以带。他老婆比他小好几岁,也还在上班。他倒是很喜欢出去旅游,可老婆不喜欢旅游。
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ebc
好像前段时间版上看到一个说退休越晚寿命越短的。
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jmmay
一辈子没出去工作的家庭主妇怎么说