Update 01/26/24 多谢几位网友提醒, 2055应该是1055错打了,原来的分析就不成立了,不删贴因为有控书的案件facts。但更新说明,不以讹传讹。 我看的控书版本是网友贴的链接,https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/01/Redacted-CHEN-SOF_Complaint.pdf, 不知道错误是新闻网站的还是原始控书就错了。如果是后者,有点马虎哈。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 控书里写警察去陈家家访大概是在2055 hours 1月16日,就是晚上8:55, 大部分消息都一致,说友人觉得不安心当天早上11点就报警了,也就是说陈和妻子的尸体共处了不止过夜,而是再加一个白天。尽管报警说的是welfare/wellness check,但是警察半天过了才来,反应实在是太慢了。这加长的时间不知道对案子有什么变数。比如,这么长时间,陈立人做了什么呢?是不吃不喝呢还是准备了吃喝,如果是,吃喝了什么,这很可能从生活垃圾里轻松分辨出来;或者看了什么电视节目,用电脑浏览了什么网页,这都可以还原出来。而这种细节对控辩双方来说在某一个辩题上有可能是至关重要的。毕竟不吃不喝还是开火做饭,上不上网,上什么网,反映的信息很大,最关键的是,这不是口说无凭,而是有实证可以证伪的。 I, Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg, a duly authorized peace officer employed by the Santa Clara Police Department (SCPD), offer the following Statement of Facts based on my investigation which includes visiting the crime scene, interviewing witnesses and associated parties, reviewing official reports, and reviewing evidence. On 1/16/24 at approximately 2055 hours, SCPD officers responded to a welfare check a Valley Way in Santa Clara. When officers arrived, they contacted the reporting party (R/P), who stated that his friend, Suspect Liren Chen (DOB: 5/10/96, PFN: EHK487), lived at the residence with his wife, . No one else lived there or was currently staying there. The R/P had eaten dinner with Chen and the previous evening at their home and he was concerned about a noticeable change in Chen’s demeanor. Chen was quiet and staring blankly for much of the evening. On the morning of 1/16/24, the R/P and his wife tried to call Chen and but could not get through to them. When the R/P arrived at Chen’s home, no one would answer the door. He went to the rear of the home and saw Chen through a window, but he could not get Chen to respond to him. Chen was motionless on his knees, had his hands in the air, and was staring blankly. The R/P called 911 and officers soon tried to hail Chen from the residence. They observed Chen through the window with what appeared to be blood on his jacket and socks. The officers made entry into the residence and took the Suspect into custody. In the bedroom directly behind where Chen had been standing, officers located deceased on the floor. She had severe blunt force injuries to her head and there was significant blood spatter on the floor, wall, and the back of the bedroom door where she was found. Ofc. Wright pronounced her as deceased. Chen’s right hand was extremely swollen and purple. He had blood on his clothing, his legs, arms, and hands. He also had superficial scratches on his left forearm. However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. A pair of sandals in the hallway (appearing to be Chen’s size) contained significant blood spatter. Officers did not locate an obvious weapon that was used to create the blunt force injuries to . Based on my training and experience, I believe Chen was wearing the sandals as he stood or crouched next to and struck her repeatedly in the head with his hand. SCFD personnel responded and asked Chen how he hurt his hand. Chen replied, “I punched my wife.” They asked him when this happened and he replied, “Yesterday.” Based on my training and experience and the facts articulated above, I believe Suspect Chen murdered his wife, Victim by striking her in the head repeatedly. I declare under penalty of perjury that the above synopsis of the investigation is, to the best of my knowledge, true and correct. _______________________ Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg #H8078 Santa Clara Police Department
查了一下,存在这种可能 People with excited catatonia appear “sped up,” restless, and agitated. They sometimes engage in self-harming behavior. This form is also known as hyperkinetic catatonia.
划重点:However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. 之前有女福尔摩斯说受害人一定是用刀砍了凶手才导致凶手挥拳自卫。。。 爱玉 发表于 2024-01-25 23:49
划重点:However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. 之前有女福尔摩斯说受害人一定是用刀砍了凶手才导致凶手挥拳自卫。。。 爱玉 发表于 2024-01-25 23:49
控书里写警察去陈家家访大概是在2055 hours 1月16日,就是晚上8:55, 大部分消息都一致,说友人觉得不安心当天早上11点就报警了,也就是说陈和妻子的尸体共处了不止过夜,而是再加一个白天。尽管报警说的是welfare/wellness check,但是警察半天过了才来,反应实在是太慢了。这加长的时间不知道对案子有什么变数。比如,这么长时间,陈立人做了什么呢?是不吃不喝呢还是准备了吃喝,如果是,吃喝了什么,这很可能从生活垃圾里轻松分辨出来;或者看了什么电视节目,用电脑浏览了什么网页,这都可以还原出来。而这种细节对控辩双方来说在某一个辩题上有可能是至关重要的。毕竟不吃不喝还是开火做饭,上不上网,上什么网,反映的信息很大,最关键的是,这不是口说无凭,而是有实证可以证伪的。 I, Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg, a duly authorized peace officer employed by the Santa Clara Police Department (SCPD), offer the following Statement of Facts based on my investigation which includes visiting the crime scene, interviewing witnesses and associated parties, reviewing official reports, and reviewing evidence. On 1/16/24 at approximately 2055 hours, SCPD officers responded to a welfare check a Valley Way in Santa Clara. When officers arrived, they contacted the reporting party (R/P), who stated that his friend, Suspect Liren Chen (DOB: 5/10/96, PFN: EHK487), lived at the residence with his wife, . No one else lived there or was currently staying there. The R/P had eaten dinner with Chen and the previous evening at their home and he was concerned about a noticeable change in Chen’s demeanor. Chen was quiet and staring blankly for much of the evening. On the morning of 1/16/24, the R/P and his wife tried to call Chen and but could not get through to them. When the R/P arrived at Chen’s home, no one would answer the door. He went to the rear of the home and saw Chen through a window, but he could not get Chen to respond to him. Chen was motionless on his knees, had his hands in the air, and was staring blankly. The R/P called 911 and officers soon tried to hail Chen from the residence. They observed Chen through the window with what appeared to be blood on his jacket and socks. The officers made entry into the residence and took the Suspect into custody. In the bedroom directly behind where Chen had been standing, officers located deceased on the floor. She had severe blunt force injuries to her head and there was significant blood spatter on the floor, wall, and the back of the bedroom door where she was found. Ofc. Wright pronounced her as deceased. Chen’s right hand was extremely swollen and purple. He had blood on his clothing, his legs, arms, and hands. He also had superficial scratches on his left forearm. However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. A pair of sandals in the hallway (appearing to be Chen’s size) contained significant blood spatter. Officers did not locate an obvious weapon that was used to create the blunt force injuries to . Based on my training and experience, I believe Chen was wearing the sandals as he stood or crouched next to and struck her repeatedly in the head with his hand. SCFD personnel responded and asked Chen how he hurt his hand. Chen replied, “I punched my wife.” They asked him when this happened and he replied, “Yesterday.” Based on my training and experience and the facts articulated above, I believe Suspect Chen murdered his wife, Victim by striking her in the head repeatedly. I declare under penalty of perjury that the above synopsis of the investigation is, to the best of my knowledge, true and correct. _______________________ Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg #H8078 Santa Clara Police Department YTD1Smore 发表于 2024-01-25 23:23
划重点:However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. 之前有女福尔摩斯说受害人一定是用刀砍了凶手才导致凶手挥拳自卫。。。 爱玉 发表于 2024-01-25 23:49
California 对陈的charge 是 murder 187 (a) pc fel. 187(a) 是什么意思呢? 定义: PC 187(a): Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought and without legal justification. 解释: malice aforethought :恶意预谋杀人。 without legal justification:不能定义为self defense. 就是说陈是预谋杀人,不是自卫。那些造谣的歇歇吧。 另外,今天还看到这个: 在此前检方对其的指控中都是重罪指控,指他非法并恶意杀人,而且表现出高度残忍、恶毒或冷酷无情。 就是说,在判刑时,由于这三条: 4.421(a) (1) the crime involved great violence, thread of great bodily harm, or other acts disclosing a hgh degree of cruelty, viciousness, or callousness. 这起犯罪涉及极大的暴力,对人身造成极大的伤害威胁,或者展现出极其残忍、恶毒或冷酷的行为。 4.421 (a) (3) victim was vulnerable 4.421 (a) (11) Liren Chen, took advantage of a position of trust or confidence to commit the offense. 法官可加重惩罚。 陈被判死刑也不是不可能的。
California 对陈的charge 是 murder 187 (a) pc fel. 187(a) 是什么意思呢? 定义: PC 187(a): Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought and without legal justification. 解释: malice aforethought :恶意预谋杀人。 without legal justification:不能定义为self defense. 就是说陈是预谋杀人,不是自卫。那些造谣的歇歇吧。 另外,今天还看到这个: 在此前检方对其的指控中都是重罪指控,指他非法并恶意杀人,而且表现出高度残忍、恶毒或冷酷无情。 就是说,在判刑时,由于这三条: 4.421(a) (1) the crime involved great violence, thread of great bodily harm, or other acts disclosing a hgh degree of cruelty, viciousness, or callousness. 这起犯罪涉及极大的暴力,对人身造成极大的伤害威胁,或者展现出极其残忍、恶毒或冷酷的行为。 4.421 (a) (3) victim was vulnerable 4.421 (a) (11) Liren Chen, took advantage of a position of trust or confidence to commit the offense. 法官可加重惩罚。 陈被判死刑也不是不可能的。
Update 01/26/24 多谢几位网友提醒, 2055应该是1055错打了,原来的分析就不成立了,不删贴因为有控书的案件facts。但更新说明,不以讹传讹。 我看的控书版本是网友贴的链接,https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/01/Redacted-CHEN-SOF_Complaint.pdf, 不知道错误是新闻网站的还是原始控书就错了。如果是后者,有点马虎哈。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 控书里写警察去陈家家访大概是在2055 hours 1月16日,就是晚上8:55, 大部分消息都一致,说友人觉得不安心当天早上11点就报警了,也就是说陈和妻子的尸体共处了不止过夜,而是再加一个白天。尽管报警说的是welfare/wellness check,但是警察半天过了才来,反应实在是太慢了。这加长的时间不知道对案子有什么变数。比如,这么长时间,陈立人做了什么呢?是不吃不喝呢还是准备了吃喝,如果是,吃喝了什么,这很可能从生活垃圾里轻松分辨出来;或者看了什么电视节目,用电脑浏览了什么网页,这都可以还原出来。而这种细节对控辩双方来说在某一个辩题上有可能是至关重要的。毕竟不吃不喝还是开火做饭,上不上网,上什么网,反映的信息很大,最关键的是,这不是口说无凭,而是有实证可以证伪的。 I, Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg, a duly authorized peace officer employed by the Santa Clara Police Department (SCPD), offer the following Statement of Facts based on my investigation which includes visiting the crime scene, interviewing witnesses and associated parties, reviewing official reports, and reviewing evidence. On 1/16/24 at approximately 2055 hours, SCPD officers responded to a welfare check a Valley Way in Santa Clara. When officers arrived, they contacted the reporting party (R/P), who stated that his friend, Suspect Liren Chen (DOB: 5/10/96, PFN: EHK487), lived at the residence with his wife, . No one else lived there or was currently staying there. The R/P had eaten dinner with Chen and the previous evening at their home and he was concerned about a noticeable change in Chen’s demeanor. Chen was quiet and staring blankly for much of the evening. On the morning of 1/16/24, the R/P and his wife tried to call Chen and but could not get through to them. When the R/P arrived at Chen’s home, no one would answer the door. He went to the rear of the home and saw Chen through a window, but he could not get Chen to respond to him. Chen was motionless on his knees, had his hands in the air, and was staring blankly. The R/P called 911 and officers soon tried to hail Chen from the residence. They observed Chen through the window with what appeared to be blood on his jacket and socks. The officers made entry into the residence and took the Suspect into custody. In the bedroom directly behind where Chen had been standing, officers located deceased on the floor. She had severe blunt force injuries to her head and there was significant blood spatter on the floor, wall, and the back of the bedroom door where she was found. Ofc. Wright pronounced her as deceased. Chen’s right hand was extremely swollen and purple. He had blood on his clothing, his legs, arms, and hands. He also had superficial scratches on his left forearm. However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. A pair of sandals in the hallway (appearing to be Chen’s size) contained significant blood spatter. Officers did not locate an obvious weapon that was used to create the blunt force injuries to . Based on my training and experience, I believe Chen was wearing the sandals as he stood or crouched next to and struck her repeatedly in the head with his hand. SCFD personnel responded and asked Chen how he hurt his hand. Chen replied, “I punched my wife.” They asked him when this happened and he replied, “Yesterday.” Based on my training and experience and the facts articulated above, I believe Suspect Chen murdered his wife, Victim by striking her in the head repeatedly. I declare under penalty of perjury that the above synopsis of the investigation is, to the best of my knowledge, true and correct. _______________________ Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg #H8078 Santa Clara Police Department YTD1Smore 发表于 2024-01-25 23:23
I, Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg, a duly authorized peace officer employed by the Santa Clara Police Department (SCPD), offer the following Statement of Facts based on my investigation which includes visiting the crime scene, interviewing witnesses and associated parties, reviewing official reports, and reviewing evidence. On 1/16/24 at approximately 2055 hours, SCPD officers responded to a welfare check a Valley Way in Santa Clara. When officers arrived, they contacted the reporting party (R/P), who stated that his friend, Suspect Liren Chen (DOB: 5/10/96, PFN: EHK487), lived at the residence with his wife, . No one else lived there or was currently staying there. The R/P had eaten dinner with Chen and the previous evening at their home and he was concerned about a noticeable change in Chen’s demeanor. Chen was quiet and staring blankly for much of the evening. On the morning of 1/16/24, the R/P and his wife tried to call Chen and but could not get through to them. When the R/P arrived at Chen’s home, no one would answer the door. He went to the rear of the home and saw Chen through a window, but he could not get Chen to respond to him. Chen was motionless on his knees, had his hands in the air, and was staring blankly. The R/P called 911 and officers soon tried to hail Chen from the residence. They observed Chen through the window with what appeared to be blood on his jacket and socks. The officers made entry into the residence and took the Suspect into custody. In the bedroom directly behind where Chen had been standing, officers located deceased on the floor. She had severe blunt force injuries to her head and there was significant blood spatter on the floor, wall, and the back of the bedroom door where she was found. Ofc. Wright pronounced her as deceased. Chen’s right hand was extremely swollen and purple. He had blood on his clothing, his legs, arms, and hands. He also had superficial scratches on his left forearm. However, he did not appear to have any lacerations on his body that would have produced this blood. A pair of sandals in the hallway (appearing to be Chen’s size) contained significant blood spatter. Officers did not locate an obvious weapon that was used to create the blunt force injuries to . Based on my training and experience, I believe Chen was wearing the sandals as he stood or crouched next to and struck her repeatedly in the head with his hand. SCFD personnel responded and asked Chen how he hurt his hand. Chen replied, “I punched my wife.” They asked him when this happened and he replied, “Yesterday.” Based on my training and experience and the facts articulated above, I believe Suspect Chen murdered his wife, Victim by striking her in the head repeatedly. I declare under penalty of perjury that the above synopsis of the investigation is, to the best of my knowledge, true and correct. _______________________ Detective Sergeant Frank Hagg #H8078 Santa Clara Police Department
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查了一下,存在这种可能
People with excited catatonia appear “sped up,” restless, and agitated. They sometimes engage in self-harming behavior. This form is also known as hyperkinetic catatonia.
复杂个P,冷血恶魔男就是头脑清醒的虐杀了一个人
🛋️ 沙发板凳
On the morning of 1/16/24, the R/P and his wife tried to call Chen and but could not get through to them.
最近的出庭基本上是法官决定保释与否,检方以什么罪名起诉吧。真的庭审要拖很久的,一两年都可能。
女方当时已经去世了。男的,吓傻了,演的吧。
这案子有什么很复杂的吗? 凶手和被害人都很清楚,不清楚的是犯案动机,不庭审能搞清楚动机吗?
朋友什么时候去是临时决定的,不太像装给朋友看
好好个姑娘就没了 这朋友得疯掉一半吧
朋友肯定是知道夫妻间有什么不可调和的矛盾, 所以才会报警。
要开庭的吧,不开庭没有理由你怎么押着人啊。又没说马上判。
那个什么刀绝对是造黄谣,具体是收钱办事还是attention whore就不知道了
只是公诉立案。后年打辩护官司还长着呢
女福尔摩斯很厉害…
autopsy will find out when she died. and how she died.
我猜是女方一直没有回复信息
这细节重要吗?影响案件的定性吗
这是侮辱了福尔摩斯。 那位除了我最美,男人都在想着我,就是撒谎造谣。
女福尔摩斯很邪恶!比那些拿钱发帖的尤甚!简直是发自内心的真诚的邪恶!
报警之前已经透过窗户看到chen了
假的。
是的 一般人也不至于联系不上朋友就报警。。
女福尔摩斯说是为了止血举了一晚上。女福尔摩斯还说因为精神不正常所以举了一晚上。
定义: PC 187(a): Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another human being with malice aforethought and without legal justification.
解释: malice aforethought :恶意预谋杀人。 without legal justification:不能定义为self defense.
就是说陈是预谋杀人,不是自卫。那些造谣的歇歇吧。
另外,今天还看到这个: 在此前检方对其的指控中都是重罪指控,指他非法并恶意杀人,而且表现出高度残忍、恶毒或冷酷无情。
就是说,在判刑时,由于这三条: 4.421(a) (1) the crime involved great violence, thread of great bodily harm, or other acts disclosing a hgh degree of cruelty, viciousness, or callousness. 这起犯罪涉及极大的暴力,对人身造成极大的伤害威胁,或者展现出极其残忍、恶毒或冷酷的行为。 4.421 (a) (3) victim was vulnerable 4.421 (a) (11) Liren Chen, took advantage of a position of trust or confidence to commit the offense.
法官可加重惩罚。 陈被判死刑也不是不可能的。
不知道庭审的时候朋友会不会上庭 肯定是前一天晚上出了大事儿,朋友也感觉到了要出事
不是拌拌嘴那么简单,要不根本不可能又打电话又报警
没错,这个朋友很关键。你跟朋友吃完晚饭一般情况也不会第二天打电话去wellness check。
我也是,平时比较注意不说这些恶言,这次真忍不住了,说了好多
这叫什么精神问题。
是因为前一晚表现不正常才第二天打电话,晚上到他们家发现异常才报警 一楼文书里写的蛮清楚的
你别做梦了,不可能的
多谢分析!
应该至少知道是在准备离婚
你们怎么会觉得我是女人,真好笑 男人和女人最基本的本质都不知道,还在网站混? 男人最大的特点就是敢于发布标新立异的想法,不怕被人谩骂攻击,然后也不会跟人罗罗嗦嗦吵架吵下去,这是男人敢于冒险的本性 女人最大的特点是没有胆子发表一些反风向的言论,但是最擅长在旁别对人评头论足批判别人,这是女人的本性 男人说话是为了让别人记住自己,女人说话只是一种情绪发泄的方式 你难道没有听说过罗斯福的名言: 荣誉不属于那些批评家:那些指出强者如何跌倒或者实干家哪里可以做得更好的人。荣誉属于真正在竞技场上拼搏的人,属于脸庞沾满灰尘、汗水和鲜血的人,属于顽强奋斗的人,属于屡败屡战但还拥有巨大热情和奉献精神的人,因为没有努力是没有错误或缺点的;荣誉属于投身于有价值的事业的人,属于敢于追求伟大梦想,最终取得伟大成就或者虽败犹荣的人。这样,他的位置,将永远不会和那些灵魂冷漠胆小而不知胜败的人在一起。
但是以什么罪起诉很重要啊,有充足证据把握,什么罪名才能钉死他
他判或者不判,都跟我没关系。 一个陌生人。 你自己带入太多了。
希望她不要删帖
你这番话让那个一口咬定是女孩子先动刀的厌女大妈情何以堪!
这样的啊,不懂流程。希望能给受害者以正义判决
本楼首楼提供的时间,即晚上20点22警察到现场可能是报道的笔误,正确时间可能是10点22(也就是早上10点22)
德州这边,好一些的区报警,警察10-30分钟就到现场了,取决于情况多危急。加州不知道什么状况,但正常情况警察也会比较快到达现场,除非本身所在的小区平常犯罪率就高,那种情况警察出警会非常慢拖几天都有可能。不过,显然不会是陈家这个case的情况。
因此推测时间顺序应该是: 15号陈家请客 16号早上朋友电话陈家无人接听 16号早上朋友返回陈家,无法进屋,并报警 16号上午10点22警察到现场处理
去现场处理的警官叫Wright。写这个报告的叫Frank Hagg。是两个人
另外,这个报道里专门提到凶手身上没有任何刀伤,现场没有任何凶器。报道明确指出目前看被害人就是被徒手打死的。那些胡扯的可以闭嘴了
太残忍了,如果这样还能不被处极刑,天理难容
有可能是控书上把1055写成2055了,因为以前的报道上都说是上午11点左右。而且最早说经过Santa Clara看到警车在房子周围的也是16日白天。
这也行啊。。。
你太高看自己了。没说你。也不知你是谁。
就是,还真有人喜欢自己给自己抹黑。
有道理
这个报道里倒没有说是警察看到他的时候他高举双手,而是说朋友报警前,看见他motionless并举着手。 但有细节说朋友是敲了半天门,没人应门,下一步朋友才看到他举着手。很可能是他虽然不去应门,但他已经发觉有人关注,因此而举起手的。至于他是出于条件反射,还是心眼多故意做给别人看造成他精神失常的假象,那都是有可能的
应该是写错了,报警记录显示逮捕时间是1月16日上午11点41分,不是晚上。
除此之外,感觉这个朋友身份不一般,为何能在打不通电话以后就直接跑去家门口查看?他甚至可能知道陈立人的作案动机
就是女深井冰,给杀人犯洗地,不怕遭天谴
你完全不了解美国的司法程序就瞎BB
那个有漏大妈并不是吃饱撑的,她重男轻女、女儿都不搭理她,儿子高中生了,还伺候儿子给他剪脚指甲,住一卧的公寓,和这么大的儿子一张床估计。有漏大妈就是把杀人犯代人成她儿子了,所以不惜犯众怒胡说八道,造谣抹黑女生
目前只是传唤,正式通知嫌疑人面临的指控,嫌疑人可以当庭认罪,如果不当庭认罪的话,才会进入到检方和辩方各自举证论证以及审判环节,会历时几个月甚至更久
警察检察官报告描述症状,的确典型精神病状,但IQ高是不是装的也难说
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你以为杀鸡呢,杀了人,吓傻了,还需要演?
展开说下什么是典型精神病状?
那几个attention whore全部拉黑! 生活里不会交这种朋友,网上的垃圾更要清掉
感觉有预谋的,女方太惨了