In the structure of a proposal, the "Introduction" or "Background" section is typically where you would provide the rationale for your research. This is where you explain the significance of the problem, gaps in current knowledge, and why your proposed study is important. You may also touch upon preliminary studies that support the feasibility or relevance of your aims. The "Specific Aims" section is where you outline the primary objectives or goals of your research. Each aim can have sub-aims or specific objectives. It's in this section that you detail what you aim to achieve with your proposal. Preliminary studies are often included in the "Preliminary Studies/Progress Report" section. This is where you present any preliminary data you have that supports the feasibility or rationale for your proposed research. If the preliminary studies directly relate to one or more specific aims, you may discuss them in the context of those aims.
In the structure of a proposal, the "Introduction" or "Background" section is typically where you would provide the rationale for your research. This is where you explain the significance of the problem, gaps in current knowledge, and why your proposed study is important. You may also touch upon preliminary studies that support the feasibility or relevance of your aims. The "Specific Aims" section is where you outline the primary objectives or goals of your research. Each aim can have sub-aims or specific objectives. It's in this section that you detail what you aim to achieve with your proposal. Preliminary studies are often included in the "Preliminary Studies/Progress Report" section. This is where you present any preliminary data you have that supports the feasibility or rationale for your proposed research. If the preliminary studies directly relate to one or more specific aims, you may discuss them in the context of those aims. microsat 发表于 2024-01-17 10:51
从这抄了一段: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2024-miss-america-crown-goes-183900579.html Since 2018, Marsh has been raising awareness and money for pancreatic cancer research through the foundation she founded with her father and sister in honor of her mother, who died from the disease. The Whitney Marsh Foundation has raised over a quarter-million dollars through events like 5K and 10K runs held in Marsh's hometown of Fort Smith, Arkansas. "My mom was a huge runner, even when she was going through chemotherapy treatments," Marsh said in the November interview. While Miss America is known for appearing in events like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City, Marsh will definitely be making appearances in Massachusetts — as a graduate student. She is pursuing a master's degree in public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. Clear This is human text 可能你给的那段话太文绉绉,教条主义重
从这抄了一段: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2024-miss-america-crown-goes-183900579.html Since 2018, Marsh has been raising awareness and money for pancreatic cancer research through the foundation she founded with her father and sister in honor of her mother, who died from the disease. The Whitney Marsh Foundation has raised over a quarter-million dollars through events like 5K and 10K runs held in Marsh's hometown of Fort Smith, Arkansas. "My mom was a huge runner, even when she was going through chemotherapy treatments," Marsh said in the November interview. While Miss America is known for appearing in events like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City, Marsh will definitely be making appearances in Massachusetts — as a graduate student. She is pursuing a master's degree in public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. Clear This is human text 可能你给的那段话太文绉绉,教条主义重
In the structure of a proposal, the "Introduction" or "Background" section is typically where you would provide the rationale for your research. This is where you explain the significance of the problem, gaps in current knowledge, and why your proposed study is important. You may also touch upon preliminary studies that support the feasibility or relevance of your aims. The "Specific Aims" section is where you outline the primary objectives or goals of your research. Each aim can have sub-aims or specific objectives. It's in this section that you detail what you aim to achieve with your proposal. Preliminary studies are often included in the "Preliminary Studies/Progress Report" section. This is where you present any preliminary data you have that supports the feasibility or rationale for your proposed research. If the preliminary studies directly relate to one or more specific aims, you may discuss them in the context of those aims. microsat 发表于 2024-01-17 10:51
槽点可太多了 "In the structure of a proposal, ", "touch upon" 人类不这么啰嗦,人类一般说”In a proposal/Preparing a proposal/In proposal writing“, "examine"; proposal一般也没有一个叫做"Specfic Aim"的section, 人类把这个section称为“Motivation”; "Preliminary Studies/Progress Report"也很有问题,一般proposal都是分“Method”和"Results"两个Sections,而不是合并成一个"Preliminary Studies“, 当然你可以在文中指明是preliminary studies, 但是一般谁会在section的标题加Preliminary这个词呢; 更不会叫"Progress Report", "XX Report"一般被人类用作文章的标题。 rabbit45 发表于 2024-01-17 12:38
根据你的提议,我改成了下面这样,但是还是不行。 In a proposal, the "Introduction" or "Background" section is typically where you would provide the rationale for your research. This is where you explain the significance of the problem, gaps in current knowledge, and why your proposed study is important. You may also examine preliminary studies that support the feasibility or relevance of your aims. The "Specific Aims" section is where you outline the primary objectives or goals of your research. Each aim can have sub-aims or specific objectives. It's in this section that you detail what you aim to achieve with your proposal. Preliminary studies are often included in the method/results section. This is where you present any preliminary data you have that supports the feasibility or rationale for your proposed research. If the preliminary studies directly relate to one or more specific aims, you may discuss them in the context of those aims.
不知道前情,感觉这段不是ai写的,但是有可能判断错误,因为没有看过同作者的其他语料,不好横向对比。老师对于是不是ai的判断方法其实挺多的,比如写出的东西是否符合学生的年龄,文化语言背景,认知水平,思维范式,平常的表达习惯等等。Out of context看可能不准,但是基于老师对于学生的了解和日常的互动,我觉得还是比较好判断的。
In the structure of a proposal, the "Introduction" or "Background" section is typically where you would provide the rationale for your research. This is where you explain the significance of the problem, gaps in current knowledge, and why your proposed study is important. You may also touch upon preliminary studies that support the feasibility or relevance of your aims. The "Specific Aims" section is where you outline the primary objectives or goals of your research. Each aim can have sub-aims or specific objectives. It's in this section that you detail what you aim to achieve with your proposal. Preliminary studies are often included in the "Preliminary Studies/Progress Report" section. This is where you present any preliminary data you have that supports the feasibility or rationale for your proposed research. If the preliminary studies directly relate to one or more specific aims, you may discuss them in the context of those aims. microsat 发表于 2024-01-17 10:51
总的来说,虽然撰写这样的研究提案对于一名普通大学生来说可能是挑战性的,但在适当的学术准备和支持下,是可以做到的。问题你要思考,为什么老师认为你儿子做不到。 我去试着问了AI,能写出这段话的人,一般是对某些专业研究很深的人
按照目前的AI检测标准,是不是所有法律文书或者会计章程或者公司规范,都是AI写的?
大家试着把公司的规章制度,贴进去,检测看看是不是AI写的。
AI的确筛出一批潜在道德低下的人。做坏事成本低了更有诱惑力。
背景,如果是律师写的或者议员写的,基本作者身份,大家没有异议。
你这个,你说是一个普通大学生写的,别人就不相信了。说了有前提,如果是做过深刻研究的人
你水平高。请问你怎么判断出来的?
现在并没有通用检测标准,人老师大概就是觉得这种文邹邹的词句不像孩子自己写的。法律文书,会计章程以及公司规范,都是非常有经验的专业人士写的,不是孩子写的。
说一千道一万,在华人升堂对你一点用没有,华人ID说不是AI写的,你能拿去当证据给老师看吗?你应该做的是弄清楚孩子到底怎么写的,以及老师为什么这么判。
你这个做法其实就是抄袭呀。所以AI写的跟抄来的是一样的,这就是那行机器怎么判断是不是AI写的啊。AI从本质上讲就是在已有的文档上learn的。所以是不是AI写的和是不是抄袭的 我觉得可以划等号
你把问题复杂化了。
网上的AI检测工具,并没有问你,提交的文本,是谁写的,是小学生,还是议员写的。
也就是说,无论是谁写的,都能判断是否是AI写的。
改正就完了,死不认账只能等更大的翻车教训了
也许现在AI判断没有固定的标准,并不在乎是谁写的,而是看是否原创。
你们把问题复杂化了。
你们加入了作者的经验,学历等,来作为判断是否是AI写的判据。
但是网上的AI检测工具,并没有这一项。
也即是说,即使你是律师,你把公司的法律文书,提交上去,和你是小学生,得到的结论(是还是不是AI写的),是一样的。
不是抄袭。
比如圣经。版本1.0认为圣经是AI写的。让大家一笑。
后来程序员在版本2.0的时候,加入修正。圣经不再是AI写的了。
老师知不知道是你孩子写的还是你写的很容易啊 课堂上你儿子写出来的和这个差别很大 你的英文是第二语言 我家老大说AI写的一眼就能看出来,我没问她怎么能看出来的 我女儿同学炒我女儿的作业,一模一样,还把我女儿作业丢了 老师一读就知道这遣词造句是我女儿的风格,那个孩子写的能力差远了
你能问问你家老大,上面这段话,是不是AI写的呢? 另外,怎么看出来的?
等她放学我问她
老师跟你说了用的是网上的AI检测工具判断的?
AI Content Detected
好的。
其实,我就是想学习。如何肉眼能识别一篇文章是否是AI写的。而不是靠工具。
哈哈。如果这就是结论,那就是恐慌。
对。老师还说了,没有工具,他也判断不出。所以,他解释不了,哪一句是AI写的? 为什么是AI写的。
你能把你们单位的规章制度行为准则,也上传试试。 100%也是AI生成的。
一篇文章,并不需要所有段落都言之有物。
我们人为的文章,都会灌水。
大家爱看的小说,其实都是这个套路。精彩的,有物的,往往就那几级。其他的,都是灌水。
议论文,更是如此。
议员的报告,也如此。
古人如此,今人也如此。比如《过秦论》。废话不少。
当然,如果刻意,也不是不可能装出不同的写作风格,但是作为一个孩子的作业,有什么原因他/她会特意改变思维方式和写作风格呢?
老师做出判断,和我们这里所有的人做判断相比,有一个突出的优势,就是老师对孩子的情况有足够的了解,以前的数据积累量很大。
好比双胞胎,外人一看可能完全分不出来,但是人家爸妈一眼就知道谁是谁。
这么说不是想一下就认定你家孩子的写作肯定是AI介入了,而是希望你能考虑各种因素,做出比较正确的判断,实实在在帮到你的孩子。
但是AI 检测工具,并不知道,提交文字上来的那个人是什么风格的。
学生A,提交这段文字,结论与 老师B,提交这段文字,得出的结论 是一样的。
你加入了学生的创作风格,作为判断的一条依据。这不是AI detector的工作原理。
你的具体诉求是啥?如果是觉得老师不应该认定你娃用ai 那我觉得你赢了。 但是你改变不了你娃用或没用的事实 也改变不了老师心里的想法
你纠缠的是ai detector 但是其实老师的判断大概率是基于对你娃的了解 但他没法这么跟你说,因为这个太subjective了。所以告诉你用了detector
从这抄了一段:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2024-miss-america-crown-goes-183900579.html
Since 2018, Marsh has been raising awareness and money for pancreatic cancer research through the foundation she founded with her father and sister in honor of her mother, who died from the disease. The Whitney Marsh Foundation has raised over a quarter-million dollars through events like 5K and 10K runs held in Marsh's hometown of Fort Smith, Arkansas.
"My mom was a huge runner, even when she was going through chemotherapy treatments," Marsh said in the November interview.
While Miss America is known for appearing in events like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York City, Marsh will definitely be making appearances in Massachusetts — as a graduate student. She is pursuing a master's degree in public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. Clear This is human text
可能你给的那段话太文绉绉,教条主义重
我的诉求,就是用AI来检测,是个笑话。 这个检测工具本身就是AI。
用AI检测工具作为判断标准,是相信AI来否定AI的双重标准。
他的诉求就是上网升堂找认同 他娃到底用没用他是不说的
对啊 所以我说你赢了 你在纠结啥?
一般,故事文,都是人写的。这个好判断。我们人类自己就可以肉眼判断。
你试试议论文,论述文,八股文。
你真的相信老师是把文章直接上传让软件判断,然后就直接采信了判断结果吗?还是你相信老师是把每个孩子的文章都这么做,并且判断完就告诉被“查”出来的孩子,“你文章是AI写的”吗?老师说他看不出来,用了软件做辅助判断是有其他考量的,你再仔细想想为什么?
我说是
👌 回头试试
btw,另一个 AI content detector
https://gptzero.me
这个说上面的文字不是AI写的。
所以说,AI检测工具,不同的工具,结论也不同。
到底,我们相信哪个工具呢?
你怎么看出来的呢?这段话,和课本上的文字,有啥区别。不都是一样的教条式的调调吗?
难道,我们的课本都是AI写的?
相信老师大脑的判断,基于你娃平时课堂上的写作风格,和他交上去的差距太大。 你再纠结也没用的,你去问问你孩子到底怎么写的呗。
你怎么看出来的呢?这段话,和课本上的文字,有啥区别。不都是一样的教条式的调调吗?
难道,我们的课本都是AI写的?
学术八股文其实很容易看出来是否ai 比如我们全部用现在时态 ai会因为在描述过去的事情用过去时态 这一下就看出来了 ai会用一些在本领域看来很奇怪的表达
能展开讨论吗?
举个例子,最好。
槽点可太多了
"In the structure of a proposal, ", "touch upon" 人类不这么啰嗦,人类一般说”In a proposal/Preparing a proposal/In proposal writing“, "examine";
proposal一般也没有一个叫做"Specfic Aim"的section, 人类把这个section称为“Motivation”;
"Preliminary Studies/Progress Report"也很有问题,一般proposal都是分“Method”和"Results"两个Sections,而不是合并成一个"Preliminary Studies“, 当然你可以在文中指明是preliminary studies, 但是一般谁会在section的标题加Preliminary这个词呢; 更不会叫"Progress Report", "XX Report"一般被人类用作文章的标题。
不能
谢谢!
根据你的提议,我改成了下面这样,但是还是不行。
In a proposal, the "Introduction" or "Background" section is typically where you would provide the rationale for your research. This is where you explain the significance of the problem, gaps in current knowledge, and why your proposed study is important. You may also examine preliminary studies that support the feasibility or relevance of your aims. The "Specific Aims" section is where you outline the primary objectives or goals of your research. Each aim can have sub-aims or specific objectives. It's in this section that you detail what you aim to achieve with your proposal. Preliminary studies are often included in the method/results section. This is where you present any preliminary data you have that supports the feasibility or rationale for your proposed research. If the preliminary studies directly relate to one or more specific aims, you may discuss them in the context of those aims.
Specific aims是research proposal 的组成部分啊, 怎么会没有呢
首篇明显是介绍research proposal的组成部分的。
Proposal 当然有specific aims啊,写过NIH的都知道吧
花那么大力气研究AI 的判断依据干嘛呢?直接教孩子,都自己写,不要用AI生成,多简单啊。
你才是哪个把问题复杂化了。老师的point很简单,这文章不是你娃自己写的。管你是网上抄的还是ai写的,反正不是你娃自己原创。
你也一直顾左右而言他,问题很简单,这到底是不是100%你娃自己写的?不是就认错就完了。
上面这段,是我精心设计的,来讨论的。
显然没写过 NIH proposal
正常人不会这么写文章,一股浓浓的ai味。
问题是你娃到底有没有用ai?而不是人能不能模仿出浓浓ai味道的垃圾文章。
我家高中生说不是AI写的,理由是大多数都是短句。
越规范化格式化的写作越容易被判定AI。难道以后为了避免被当成AI大家要加点个人化口语化的句子不成
要先确定有cheat才能有后面的。
不是说这例子,不过老师也会有偏见
再等几天,我再公布答案。
奇怪。我早上提交的时候,只有23%的概率是AI写的。 这会儿,就变成45%了?
你如果要验证软件验证AI的正确性,可以试着把教科书的内容输入进去。比如:法律文书,会计守则等。
我发现,一般法律文书,无论是不是你自己写的,软件一律诊断为AI写的。
多谢!
但是很多著名的软件说这段是AI写的。比如:copyleaks
不是确定cheat。是定义什么是cheat?
在没有AI之前。老师给我们布置作业的时候,我们还不是到处翻资料。
有很多学生,都是把翻到的,改改,就提交。
难道,我说得不是事实吗?
只要控制好度,这种,老师不认为是cheat。况且,老师布置的题目,不也是照抄来的吗?
我就见过,老师出的题目,完全就是抄网上的。
那种照抄有个名字叫plagiarize吧,在米国属于不能踩的红线。你别误导你娃啊。
给reference, summarize, 分析别人的脑力劳动产品与你的相似和不同点是可以的。
真服了,三观真是歪到太平洋去了。娃抄袭用ai写作业,被抓包当妈的还这么振振有词。
你娃在上学在学知识,不自己好好写作业还这么有理。
你挑出来的所谓槽点全是NIH grant proposal的专用名词 哈哈哈哈哈哈
Specific Aim 是开篇最重要的一页,画大饼列目标 Preliminary Studies 讲一讲在这个proposal之前你已经完成了哪些工作,奠定了什么基础 progress report 汇报你之前propose的东西搞定了哪些
这种标准文书是不是AI写的其实很难判断,因为个性化的空间比较有限。学生写东西一般到不了这个程度,所以基本还是可判断的
AI有些惯用的花式动词,你这段里没有。不能光凭upon这样的常见词来判断是不是AI写的,即便是不常见的表达。谁写东西都可能用到upon,但是有些动词,只有专业写作的,比如记者,才会用,你用了,就暴露了。
这要是在港片里, 对方会说“你说在教我怎么当老师吗?” 老妈是要整顿美国教育的架势
AI写作基本就是根据你的要求和已经有的语句计算出下个可能出现的词,这是通过“学习”了海量的优质文章后实现的。跟我们的“熟读唐诗三百首,不能...也能...”一个道理。人书读多了会创新,即网友所说的“风格”,机器只能算概率。你把基本无瑕疵的短文喂给AI检测器,它一看跟它计算出的概率差不多,就判断是ai生成的了。这是我的理解
你看一堆年轻人写的,就知道这种boring 的句式真人写不出来,而且真人写的有错误。
就和前面的MM说的,这个句式很像federal angency每年发的proposal call 的模板语气,一板一眼的毫无生气,我主要看NASA的,语气用词和NIH还不太一样,可以看到chatGPT训练的取材不是我们这个专业方面的。但是教授本身写proposal会和这些官方模板语气也不一样,更不用说高中生从来不接触这些,不可能这样一板一眼写的。这个不是你改一个词就能调整的,detector都是用similarity measures,是看一种全文构架,行文规律。
你如果真的看过proposal, 每个教授都有自己的风格,你熟悉的话不看名字也会知道是谁写的,这个就是human touch.