说美国人注重个人家庭,劳工保护法严格禁止要求加班。资本家可有人情味呢!JP, Goldman 的analyst , 要是能996他们都开心死了:“An internal survey among 13 employees showed they averaged 95 hours of work a week and slept five hours a night. ” https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56452494 一周95小时,数学好的人不难算出,这远远超出996了吧。 美国big law 似乎更厉害? "You are online 24/7. No exceptions. No excuses" https://abovethelaw.com/2023/04/biglaw-training-presentation-says-you-are-online-24-7-and-thats-not-even-the-worst-advice/ 这不比996厉害?华为这个血汗工厂也不敢公开对员工说“你必须随时24小时在线”这类的话吧。 来欣赏一下美国民营企业家和他们的高官们的金句吧: MUSK "Please prepare yourself for a level of intensity that is greater than anything most of you have ever experienced before," "nothing is more rewarding or exciting" "Please talk to your spouses, children, relatives and friends and explain what I've said in this email." https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tells-twitter-tesla-staff-be-hardcore-old-email-2022-11 BEZOS "Jeff Bezos doesn't like the phrase "work-life balance," and has said in the past that work and life are actually a circle." https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-work-life-balance-debilitating-phrase-career-circle-2021-7?utm_campaign=sf-bi-ti&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&r=US&IR=T James Donovan - GS head of client coverage During his first 10 years at Goldman, Donovan said he'd say to clients they could leave him a voicemail at any time of day and that unless he was "dead or asleep," he checked his voicemail every 10 seconds You need to be able to put the client first," said Donovan, "You need to be there for the client whenever they need you." "You're going to get calls at 2:00, 3:00 4:00 in the morning. You got to return emails 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. You got to return them really fast." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2021/07/jim-donovan-goldman-sachs
说美国人注重个人家庭,劳工保护法严格禁止要求加班。资本家可有人情味呢!JP, Goldman 的analyst , 要是能996他们都开心死了:“An internal survey among 13 employees showed they averaged 95 hours of work a week and slept five hours a night. ” https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56452494 一周95小时,数学好的人不难算出,这远远超出996了吧。 美国big law 似乎更厉害? "You are online 24/7. No exceptions. No excuses" https://abovethelaw.com/2023/04/biglaw-training-presentation-says-you-are-online-24-7-and-thats-not-even-the-worst-advice/ 这不比996厉害?华为这个血汗工厂也不敢公开对员工说“你必须随时24小时在线”这类的话吧。 来欣赏一下美国民营企业家和他们的高官们的金句吧: MUSK "Please prepare yourself for a level of intensity that is greater than anything most of you have ever experienced before," "nothing is more rewarding or exciting" "Please talk to your spouses, children, relatives and friends and explain what I've said in this email." https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tells-twitter-tesla-staff-be-hardcore-old-email-2022-11 BEZOS "Jeff Bezos doesn't like the phrase "work-life balance," and has said in the past that work and life are actually a circle." https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-work-life-balance-debilitating-phrase-career-circle-2021-7?utm_campaign=sf-bi-ti&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&r=US&IR=T James Donovan - GS head of client coverage During his first 10 years at Goldman, Donovan said he'd say to clients they could leave him a voicemail at any time of day and that unless he was "dead or asleep," he checked his voicemail every 10 seconds You need to be able to put the client first," said Donovan, "You need to be there for the client whenever they need you." "You're going to get calls at 2:00, 3:00 4:00 in the morning. You got to return emails 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. You got to return them really fast." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2021/07/jim-donovan-goldman-sachs Nizhenda 发表于 2023-12-25 10:48
说美国人注重个人家庭,劳工保护法严格禁止要求加班。资本家可有人情味呢!JP, Goldman 的analyst , 要是能996他们都开心死了:“An internal survey among 13 employees showed they averaged 95 hours of work a week and slept five hours a night. ” https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56452494 一周95小时,数学好的人不难算出,这远远超出996了吧。 美国big law 似乎更厉害? "You are online 24/7. No exceptions. No excuses" https://abovethelaw.com/2023/04/biglaw-training-presentation-says-you-are-online-24-7-and-thats-not-even-the-worst-advice/ 这不比996厉害?华为这个血汗工厂也不敢公开对员工说“你必须随时24小时在线”这类的话吧。 来欣赏一下美国民营企业家和他们的高官们的金句吧: MUSK "Please prepare yourself for a level of intensity that is greater than anything most of you have ever experienced before," "nothing is more rewarding or exciting" "Please talk to your spouses, children, relatives and friends and explain what I've said in this email." https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tells-twitter-tesla-staff-be-hardcore-old-email-2022-11 BEZOS "Jeff Bezos doesn't like the phrase "work-life balance," and has said in the past that work and life are actually a circle." https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-work-life-balance-debilitating-phrase-career-circle-2021-7?utm_campaign=sf-bi-ti&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&r=US&IR=T James Donovan - GS head of client coverage During his first 10 years at Goldman, Donovan said he'd say to clients they could leave him a voicemail at any time of day and that unless he was "dead or asleep," he checked his voicemail every 10 seconds You need to be able to put the client first," said Donovan, "You need to be there for the client whenever they need you." "You're going to get calls at 2:00, 3:00 4:00 in the morning. You got to return emails 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. You got to return them really fast." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2021/07/jim-donovan-goldman-sachs Nizhenda 发表于 2023-12-25 10:48
说美国人注重个人家庭,劳工保护法严格禁止要求加班。资本家可有人情味呢!JP, Goldman 的analyst , 要是能996他们都开心死了:“An internal survey among 13 employees showed they averaged 95 hours of work a week and slept five hours a night. ” https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56452494 一周95小时,数学好的人不难算出,这远远超出996了吧。 美国big law 似乎更厉害? "You are online 24/7. No exceptions. No excuses" https://abovethelaw.com/2023/04/biglaw-training-presentation-says-you-are-online-24-7-and-thats-not-even-the-worst-advice/ 这不比996厉害?华为这个血汗工厂也不敢公开对员工说“你必须随时24小时在线”这类的话吧。 来欣赏一下美国民营企业家和他们的高官们的金句吧: MUSK "Please prepare yourself for a level of intensity that is greater than anything most of you have ever experienced before," "nothing is more rewarding or exciting" "Please talk to your spouses, children, relatives and friends and explain what I've said in this email." https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tells-twitter-tesla-staff-be-hardcore-old-email-2022-11 BEZOS "Jeff Bezos doesn't like the phrase "work-life balance," and has said in the past that work and life are actually a circle." https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-work-life-balance-debilitating-phrase-career-circle-2021-7?utm_campaign=sf-bi-ti&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&r=US&IR=T James Donovan - GS head of client coverage During his first 10 years at Goldman, Donovan said he'd say to clients they could leave him a voicemail at any time of day and that unless he was "dead or asleep," he checked his voicemail every 10 seconds You need to be able to put the client first," said Donovan, "You need to be there for the client whenever they need you." "You're going to get calls at 2:00, 3:00 4:00 in the morning. You got to return emails 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. You got to return them really fast." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2021/07/jim-donovan-goldman-sachs Nizhenda 发表于 2023-12-25 10:48
一看就是没在美国投行律师和科技大厂干过的,到点早回家在投行早就被MD骂了个狗血喷头了。 "He adds that he notified his team that he was planning to submit changes and that the fact of it being 3am in the morning was "no excuse" for not doing the work immediately. "I sleep average [sic] of 5 hours or less. Expect the same or more of my junior team, especially on live deals. Please turn my comments and work as fast as you can." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2020/05/working-hours-junior-bankers-covid-19
一看就是没在美国投行律师和科技大厂干过的,到点早回家在投行早就被MD骂了个狗血喷头了。 "He adds that he notified his team that he was planning to submit changes and that the fact of it being 3am in the morning was "no excuse" for not doing the work immediately. "I sleep average [sic] of 5 hours or less. Expect the same or more of my junior team, especially on live deals. Please turn my comments and work as fast as you can." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2020/05/working-hours-junior-bankers-covid-19
有的,如果你是 non exempt employee,工资按小时算的,加班是要给加班费的。而 exempt employee 是拿年薪的,理论上就没有加班费。遇到刻薄的老板,的确会让免费加班。我们老板正常人,我们偶尔加个班,老板会让我们找时间补休回来,加班费是没有的。你自己搜一搜 exempt and non exempt employee 就是知道了。
美国big law 似乎更厉害? "You are online 24/7. No exceptions. No excuses" https://abovethelaw.com/2023/04/biglaw-training-presentation-says-you-are-online-24-7-and-thats-not-even-the-worst-advice/
这不比996厉害?华为这个血汗工厂也不敢公开对员工说“你必须随时24小时在线”这类的话吧。
来欣赏一下美国民营企业家和他们的高官们的金句吧:
MUSK "Please prepare yourself for a level of intensity that is greater than anything most of you have ever experienced before," "nothing is more rewarding or exciting" "Please talk to your spouses, children, relatives and friends and explain what I've said in this email." https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tells-twitter-tesla-staff-be-hardcore-old-email-2022-11 BEZOS "Jeff Bezos doesn't like the phrase "work-life balance," and has said in the past that work and life are actually a circle." https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-work-life-balance-debilitating-phrase-career-circle-2021-7?utm_campaign=sf-bi-ti&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&r=US&IR=T James Donovan - GS head of client coverage During his first 10 years at Goldman, Donovan said he'd say to clients they could leave him a voicemail at any time of day and that unless he was "dead or asleep," he checked his voicemail every 10 seconds You need to be able to put the client first," said Donovan, "You need to be there for the client whenever they need you." "You're going to get calls at 2:00, 3:00 4:00 in the morning. You got to return emails 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. You got to return them really fast." https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2021/07/jim-donovan-goldman-sachs
这边毕竟还是有很多WLB还行的地方,虽然不可能比欧洲厂好,不过毕竟pay得也比欧洲厂多。
美国是个别行业入行前几年996,中国是全行业996到35岁然后把你开掉,有可比性?
没有哪是完美的,五十步就是可以笑一百步。喜欢国内职场环境赶紧海龟吧,走好不送。
中国也就是高薪行业(金融,咨询,高科技)等996,有啥数据显示是所有行业?张嘴就来。
国内WLB好的地方多了去了。
美国996很多的,只不过比较隐蔽。或不认为是996.
我那卫生员,打3份工,每个工4小时。 而且不在一个地方。
这个是生活所迫,跟资本家硬性规定是不一样的。美国WLB差的公司和职位肯定有,但不是普遍现象。最重要的是放假就是放假,没有调休! 国内每年都在那折腾调休本质上还不就是不让人休息,放个假还要周末加班补回来,恶心死了
没有全职的卫生员吗?一天4小时打工,能挣个医疗保险吗?
一个工4小时,一天要12小时,工作不在一个地方。加上交通时间。一天至少要14小时。 part time。没保险没福利。
好像这样底层打工的都不给全职。雇主就不用管医疗福利了。
要不要996和007在美国是个进可攻退可守的问题,说白了就是有的选。我几个侄子侄女分别是95后和00后,一个在BYD一个在华为,累得身体健康都出问题了。我侄女进BYD两年了,公司才带着去做体检。去年她阑尾炎犯了,病假请不下来,拖第三天才去医院做手术。医生说已经发生沾粘,再晚点要出大事。手术完住院第二天,老板发微信要她尽快回去上班。这种事你在美国的那几个血汗工厂里找找看,给我举个例子?
美国当然不是天堂,但是WLB比国内好多了。
这么看来,65周岁之前,即使能卷过墨西哥大妈找到一份扫地工作,也没法弄一份雇主医疗保险啊。
只能做65周岁之前,Costco全职工作,想进就进这个美梦了. 😂
最后一句说的很中肯。
中国也不是全行业这样。
中美区别在于中国有大量底层工作,像工厂大部分都是996,没有996的工厂工资拿低保的水平。底层工作只有一样比美国好,美国非常大一部分都是临时工,工时短拿不到足够的钱。
35岁退休一直被以讹传讹,这是从华为开始的末尾淘汰制,华为35岁会有一次对你工作表现的评估,不是华为想要的就会把你发配边境,不同的是华为需要大量发配边疆的人,所以很多人中招。美国没什么区别,没几个人真正能在大厂做到退休,养老的都是小厂。中美区别是中国35开始,美国45开始。
能在大投资行996的,10年后都能在其它公司做到高管,这种996当然值了。中国的996是996到35岁下岗,能一样嘛
那是你不在这个些行业,亲身经历才知道有多惨
我以前住院医生的时候996 是常态
笑死人。美国大小投行的analyst,律所associates,科技厂L3,以后都去做高官?
下岗, 最近美国layoff人数早就远超中国被下岗的人数了。没听说过律所,consulting的up or out? 科技厂几年升不到L5就让你走人? 根本不用等到什么35岁。
一看就是没在美国投行律师和科技大厂干过的,到点早回家在投行早就被MD骂了个狗血喷头了。
"He adds that he notified his team that he was planning to submit changes and that the fact of it being 3am in the morning was "no excuse" for not doing the work immediately. "I sleep average [sic] of 5 hours or less. Expect the same or more of my junior team, especially on live deals. Please turn my comments and work as fast as you can."
https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2020/05/working-hours-junior-bankers-covid-19
我现在钱没给够也是24x7
跟你这种装瞎的讨论简直是浪费时间。
我才笑死,姐几大投行都干过,从来没996和007过。你读个新闻就等于干过了?可把你能耐死了。一斑窥全豹搁这丢人显眼。美国的年龄歧视可没国内严重,招聘条件从来不写年龄限制,只要求工作经验的年数。35岁之后跳槽涨工资的大有人在
你还有脸在这比拼裁员人数,咋不说国内应届毕业生失业率啊?都没上过班确实不用裁员了。 拿钱发帖也得要点脸
996的行业可不要太多:的哥,外卖小哥,快递小哥,暑假回去,刚发现18线小县城也发展了好几家私校,为了方便996的员工,甚至007的小业主,这些私校都是从一年级开始就必须住宿,教师们696,赚着微薄的三五千块人民币。
其他的我没亲眼见到的行业,应该还有更多吧?
全行业996,那为什么北京地铁早高峰8点,晚高峰18点?如果996,晚高峰应该是21点或22点。996的公司,午休2小时,晚餐1小时,其实只加班1小时。
全行业到35岁开掉,你也是瞎说
工作时长最长的是批发零售、住宿餐饮等,金融IT都不算长。
没听说过,哪里的规定?有链接吗 ? 我们加班都是有加班费的。
我家边上快递驿站,早8点 到晚上10.30,每天开。 我都难以想象他们怎么休息的。任何时候 哪怕在吃饭,客人来了 一秒就得开始反应。 这还是上海比较好 不卷 比较舒服的地方。
你要知道,多伦多每天16点30-18点地铁像沙丁鱼罐头,18点30以后地铁立刻空到门可罗雀,基本都是运椅子, 北美城市都是如此。 国内长三角,晚上8,9点还是满满的打工一族。
安大略Ontario Employment Standards Act (ESA).禁止雇主工作时间以外之外要求加班。
扯淡。小学生都4、5点放学,打工人不翘班去接孩子,孩子放学都去哪了?
你是没去过大陆的湾仔?
有的,如果你是 non exempt employee,工资按小时算的,加班是要给加班费的。而 exempt employee 是拿年薪的,理论上就没有加班费。遇到刻薄的老板,的确会让免费加班。我们老板正常人,我们偶尔加个班,老板会让我们找时间补休回来,加班费是没有的。你自己搜一搜 exempt and non exempt employee 就是知道了。
华尔街的,律所的,会计所的, 咨询的,科技厂的所有打工人表示从来没听说过加班费这个说法。
996是仁慈的了,低薪行业7117
给够工资,大部分人不抱怨996。 我们都知道芝加哥工人大罢工(51国际劳动节的来历)是为了争取8八小时工作制,其实人家是争取8八小时以外劳动的加班费,党没有告诉我们事实真像。
白领一般是exempt employee, 蓝领是not excempt.
我们这里小蜜等文职工作也是non exempt,过8小时就double。不过很少会有这种加班的情况。我们exempt的工作,经常是中间就出去接送孩子,不超过2小时就不用报时间,但有事情的时候晚上补。
我弟弟弟媳妇,在国企上班,以前很爽,上班可以划水。现在经济效益不好,三个人裁两个,剩下一个人,活就是以前的三倍。一样996了,你如果不愿意干,马上走人,多的是人干,上有老下有小的中年人,谁敢反驳?! 还有初高中的老师工作时间都超过996了,晚自习看学生到11点下班,早上6点起来带学生早操,再看看美国老师的schedule幸福多了!
度假旅行很多人都在半工作状态。这也是中国近年快速发展原因,韭菜996,国家效率就高。
是的,我现在的工作应该也是不算加班费的,但是不需要加班因为没那么多事干。平均每天工作5~6个小时吧。有些朋友的工作比我更轻松,工资更高。身边华人没见过谁996的。
公务员这样的应该极少。私企基本是全行业吧