BREAKING The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not qualified to hold office and has removed him from the 2024 ballot. The ruling is stayed until January 4 pending appeal. “A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.”
BREAKING The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not qualified to hold office and has removed him from the 2024 ballot. The ruling is stayed until January 4 pending appeal. “A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.” huarihuang 发表于 2023-12-19 18:20
别着急,其他州的类似的案子也快要进入审理阶段了。Michigan, New Hampshire, Arizona, West Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Nevada, Montana, Utah, Kansas, Idaho, Oklahoma and Wyoming 都有这样的诉讼
别着急,其他州的类似的案子也快要进入审理阶段了。Michigan, New Hampshire, Arizona, West Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Nevada, Montana, Utah, Kansas, Idaho, Oklahoma and Wyoming 都有这样的诉讼 teabucket 发表于 2023-12-20 15:32
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.: "No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.: "No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." 落地无声 发表于 2023-12-20 16:29
问题不在 14th amendment 本身,问题是怎样执行?怎样认定 Trump "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." 这条修正案历史上从来没有执行过,是不是应该在 Trump 被 court of the law 认为有罪后才能认定?还是一个州法院连刑事起诉都没有进行就认定?这个解释权在联邦最高法院,最高法院要明确这个确认的过程。
问题不在 14th amendment 本身,问题是怎样执行?怎样认定 Trump "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." 这条修正案历史上从来没有执行过,是不是应该在 Trump 被 court of the law 认为有罪后才能认定?还是一个州法院连刑事起诉都没有进行就认定?这个解释权在联邦最高法院,最高法院要明确这个确认的过程。 nj_guy 发表于 2023-12-20 18:26
随便举个例子 Trump says he would pardon a 'large portion' of Jan. 6 rioters Trump said at a CNN town hall that he was "inclined to pardon many" of the people convicted of federal offenses for attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna83873
From the comment section of Donnie’s ballot ruling: 反映我等心声。 Disgusting! How dare the state of Colorado try and successfully uphold the United States Constitution? Unacceptable! 像不像大部川粉们Exclamation 满天飞的风格?
The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not qualified to hold office and has removed him from the 2024 ballot.
The ruling is stayed until January 4 pending appeal.
“A majority of the court holds that President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because he is disqualified, it would be a wrongful act under the Election Code for the Colorado Secretary of State to list him as a candidate on the presidential primary ballot.”
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The office of president is no an office of usa. 很有意思,那4年白宫的所有支出是不是可以还给纳税人?
法院就是认定和解决争议的地方。这个法院判决本身就认定了Trump 参与了推翻选举结果的运动。引用14th section 3也没有任何问题。甚至一些保守派法学界人士也认为川普参与了推翻选举结果的运动,但是这些保守派法学界人士说sitting 总统有immunity ,进而试图解释连宪法14th section 3也 不适应用sitting 总统
法官给判决他支持判乱了啊。你可以举出相关法律:说这几个法官没资格判。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
” pauses ruling to allow appeal”。。。。
各位不要激动,看着又是 game of politics
贺锦丽?还是算了吧 我宁愿选拜登
问题是lauren boebert咋办,还寄望down ballot的效应呢
别一惊一乍的,等真剥夺了的时候,你们再庆祝也不迟。
啥?黑莉啊。。。
共和党阻止trump的话,红脖肯定不给共和党投票了。
州法院出面干涉大选,这是很不好的先例吧
说的是Nikki Hailey吧
晕,不准叛国贼参选,怎么成了干扰总统大选
谁啊?
怎么可能有效??
美国国情,民主大过天。川普这么多支持者,一切法律都是屁。更何况这个州判决在法律上也站不住脚。
如果她能代表共和党那当然很好 但就怕川普下去了票都给了德桑蒂斯
对啊 我也纳闷哪里来的女总统
DeSantis Trump 感觉那还不如选Biden呢 不过不管是谁,贺锦丽在我心里永远最后
接下来当然是上诉到Supreme Court啊。现在高兴/难过都太早了。
哈哈,人家的意思就是要选拜登呀,那么明显的逻辑你看不出来?
盗取选举的卖国贼说捍卫选举的前总统是卖国贼,是贼喊捉贼,简直可笑🤪
除非上溯到高等法院,但是对其他州没有法律效应
这就是之前所有操作的目的啊,民主党害怕得从源头掐掉可能
这个针对共和党州内初选,是州权,高院也没用。除非高院敢判定科州高院违宪。
对这一波两党的候选人都无感。这么大的国家, 就推不出年富力强正常点的候选人?
law and order law and order law and order
第一种 ignore, 认为这是州最高法院的权利,不干涉。这样 Colorado 最高法院的裁决就意味着 trump 不能在 Colorado 的选票上。但这样的先例就意味着以后各州会出现不同的候选人,怎么协调就成问题。
第二种选择就是联邦最高法院接收此案,理由是总统选举关系到联邦各州的共同利益,所以联邦最高法院有权做决定。接收此案后, 联邦最高法院可以维持 Colorado最高法院的决定,从而Trump就彻底在所有州都没资格参选,还有可能驳回,这样trump就可以在所有州参选。还有一种可能性是:在联邦法院判 Trump 有罪前,可以参选,但一旦判Trump 有罪就不能参选。 这样 特别检察官 Jack Smith 的两个关于 Trump 的刑事案件(文件门案和试图推翻选举结果案)就非常重要。另外 Georgia 州的 Rico Case (Trump 黑帮集团案)的审判结果也可能会被牵涉进来。
总之下面又是一场搏斗。单纯从法律的角度看,我认为联邦最高法院驳回此案的可能性要大些。stay tuned!
选举是州权,各个州有权力决定选举过程和细节
哈哈 那以后就热闹了。 会不会出现几十个候选人啊?每个周都有自己的两党候选人。
当一个州的主权和另一个州的主权发生冲突(或潜在有可能发生冲突) 时,联邦高院就有权干预。现在Colorado 否定 Trump 作为总统的资格,假设 Trump 在其它州赢了,最后当上总统,那以后 Colorado 州接不接受美国总统的辖制?如果接受,就违反了 Colorado 州的法律,不接受就有可能违背宪法。 所以这不仅仅是 Colorado 一个州的问题。
我猜联邦最高法院会受理此案, 而且很有可能驳回 Colorado 州的判决。
其他州应该跟进,按14th section 3, 很明显川普参了推翻选举的运动,不符合再次参选条件
黑莉 对决 哈里斯
我认为高院驳回的可能性很大。关键是现在 Trump 的刑事案正在审理的过程中,在没有法院刑事判决的情况下使用 14th amendment 是很有可能不成立的。
科罗拉多的法院判决过程有 due process, 这个判决不需要衡量川普在insurrection 到底应该被判多少年,这个court只需要判断是否有参与就足够了。判断不符合参选本身也不算刑事判决。 州最高法院从权力角度看是有这个权力做这个决定。如果最高法院介入反而是违宪。因为美国的选举制度从确立的规则上面就明确了各个州自己运营选举,联邦不得干涉。
这个 process 的合法性是有问题的,能不能复合 14th amendment 的要求解释权在联邦高院。 州最高法院应该没有权利去解释宪法。
我觉得会驳回。不过把过程弄得复杂点恶心一下共和党也是好的,川普主义早清除早超生,前年把他弹了就没这些破事了。我在想要是选票印好之后川普被定罪共和党该怎么办?
高院又不是没介入过州里选举,bush v gore. 不让佛州重数选票。
https://www.thefp.com/p/colorado-court-trump-2024-peter-meijer-democracy
他说的完全有道理,不过川普和一共和党已经把美国政治的优良传统破坏殆尽了,民主党州政府的高院这么干违不违宪,基本上不值一提。
就是好好摔跤比赛已经变成乱殴了,还在抠摔跤比赛的规则,没意思。
IMHO破环殆尽的责任不单是哪一个党或者个人的,通俄门,Twitter file等等。再这样下去愈演愈烈无法收场,彻底崩塌还是老百姓吃苦。
啥政治优良传统?给政客扒皮挺好的,到你这里这帮政客都成了道德楷模了?
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.:
"No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
不是政客道德,是政治传统:尊重选举结果、和平交接政权。
没有川普这种级别的。仅凭借他拒绝承认总统选举结果,拒绝交接下任政府,就完全可以不允许他再次参选,至于刑事犯罪到底多严重,那可以令开官司慢慢看证据
对 拜登对川普 比拜登对DeSantis胜算大得多
之前Colorado州favor川普的那个法官的判决应该怎么理解?对将来有什么影响?
她说认同川普有叛乱罪,但是总统不适用14th amendment?
DeSantis和Nikki haley这俩后浪 更疯
From本外嫁
DeSantis更可怕
问题不在 14th amendment 本身,问题是怎样执行?怎样认定 Trump "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." 这条修正案历史上从来没有执行过,是不是应该在 Trump 被 court of the law 认为有罪后才能认定?还是一个州法院连刑事起诉都没有进行就认定?这个解释权在联邦最高法院,最高法院要明确这个确认的过程。
历史上从来没有对总统使用过这个条款,这是第一次,每个法官,每个法院都可以有自己的解释,但我个人认为, 对总统使用 14th amendment 不仅仅是一个州的问题,而是关系到整个联邦50各州的问题, 所以这条修正案使用过程的最后解释权应该是联邦最高法院,一旦联邦最高法院做出了裁决,将会对今后类似案件有强制意义。所以联邦高院怎么解释都对,但必须慎重,因为影响深远。
我个人认为(只是个人观点),应该在 court 判 Trump guilty 以后才能使用 14th amendment。 但是这里马上又会有争议:是不是必须在联邦法庭判他有罪后才能取消他的候选人资格,还是州法院判他有罪即可?如果州法院的判决即可,那 Trump 死定了, 在Georgia Rico Case 的审理, Trump 几乎肯定是 Guilty。我个人倾向于如果州法院认定 Trump 在该州违反了州的法律,在该州进行叛乱联邦政府的活动,就应该可以认定 14th amendment 适用。但我屁也不是,只是猜测啦。
Denver那个?是的。密州和明州是说管不了primary,等他被提名大选选票再说。很有意思,之前参院投票也说不归他们裁决,因为川普是平民。没人敢否认他的罪名,但没人敢管,川粉的战斗力太强了。
说起来谋反大罪,在中国是要凌迟诛九族的,在美国,宪法规定最高刑期不得超过七年好像~~
说来说去还不是因为共和党不肯清理门户嘛?于是民主党开先河地用新手段对付对方总统。如果美国能挺过这一轮,我支持修宪,把总统规定成木偶人一样。
随便举个例子 Trump says he would pardon a 'large portion' of Jan. 6 rioters Trump said at a CNN town hall that he was "inclined to pardon many" of the people convicted of federal offenses for attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna83873
川普不选的话,拜登可能真的不选了,那就只能投更加极端的newsom 和desantis了
Disgusting! How dare the state of Colorado try and successfully uphold the United States Constitution? Unacceptable!
像不像大部川粉们Exclamation 满天飞的风格?