这个警察有17次的投诉complaints, 远多于其他3个同僚。还有3次shooting case and 1 fatal shooting. 这些都是警方没有完全公布的,New York times 做过报道,不过没人看得到具体的调查报告关于17次的投诉和shooting 的调查结果。录像里面显示这个人用膝盖从受害者颈部侧面硬顶着压住超过9分钟。这个完全可以cut off 人体的blood circulation to brain, air flow to lung, 引起急性cardiac pulmonary arrest.他做这一切的时候脸上木无表情,显然早已习惯使用没有阻拦的公权力已久。他取人性命,自己被判刑22年,这次有狱友神助攻,这个警察坐牢几年就出来了。
这个警察有17次的投诉complaints, 远多于其他3个同僚。还有3次shooting case and 1 fatal shooting. 这些都是警方没有完全公布的,New York times 做过报道,不过没人看得到具体的调查报告关于17次的投诉和shooting 的调查结果。录像里面显示这个人用膝盖从受害者颈部侧面硬顶着压住超过9分钟。这个完全可以cut off 人体的blood circulation to brain, air flow to lung, 引起急性cardiac pulmonary arrest.他做这一切的时候脸上木无表情,显然早已习惯使用没有阻拦的公权力已久。他取人性命,自己被判刑22年,这次有狱友神助攻,这个警察坐牢几年就出来了。 QQ.com 发表于 2023-11-24 23:06
当警察将近20年有17次投诉很多吗?你怎么不说他还得过medals for bravery? 除了Floyd,他还杀了或者弄残了谁?他或许不是一个好警察,但是你没有证据也不要污蔑人家就是个十恶不赦的坏蛋,好吗? 比他还人渣的而且逍遥法外的多了去了
这个警察有17次的投诉complaints, 远多于其他3个同僚。还有3次shooting case and 1 fatal shooting. 这些都是警方没有完全公布的,New York times 做过报道,不过没人看得到具体的调查报告关于17次的投诉和shooting 的调查结果。录像里面显示这个人用膝盖从受害者颈部侧面硬顶着压住超过9分钟。这个完全可以cut off 人体的blood circulation to brain, air flow to lung, 引起急性cardiac pulmonary arrest.他做这一切的时候脸上木无表情,显然早已习惯使用没有阻拦的公权力已久。他取人性命,自己被判刑22年,这次有狱友神助攻,这个警察坐牢几年就出来了。 QQ.com 发表于 2023-11-24 23:06
不要空口说白话。 这个是county 的medical report, 一直就没有变过: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf 司法部还让Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner review 了county 的报告, and the conclusion was consistent. Baden and Wilson 做的independent 的报告也是death due to asphyxiation 你能告诉我既然有新的报告,是谁做的,说了什么,link 在哪里?
不要空口说白话。 这个是county 的medical report, 一直就没有变过: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf 司法部还让Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner review 了county 的报告, and the conclusion was consistent. Baden and Wilson 做的independent 的报告也是death due to asphyxiation 你能告诉我既然有新的报告,是谁做的,说了什么,link 在哪里?
这个警察有17次的投诉complaints, 远多于其他3个同僚。还有3次shooting case and 1 fatal shooting. 这些都是警方没有完全公布的,New York times 做过报道,不过没人看得到具体的调查报告关于17次的投诉和shooting 的调查结果。录像里面显示这个人用膝盖从受害者颈部侧面硬顶着压住超过9分钟。这个完全可以cut off 人体的blood circulation to brain, air flow to lung, 引起急性cardiac pulmonary arrest.他做这一切的时候脸上木无表情,显然早已习惯使用没有阻拦的公权力已久。他取人性命,自己被判刑22年,这次有狱友神助攻,这个警察坐牢几年就出来了。 QQ.com 发表于 2023-11-24 23:06
法医尸检报告上的title 就是因为”SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION”造成CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST 。你说的是哪个报告? CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT CASE TITLE: DECEASED: DATE AND HOUR OF DEATH: 5-25-20; 9:25 p.m. DATE AND HOUR OF AUTOPSY: 5-26-20; 9:25 a.m. PATHOLOGIST: Andrew M. Baker, M.D. FINAL DIAGNOSES: SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION
法医尸检报告上的title 就是因为”SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION”造成CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST 。你说的是哪个报告? CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT CASE TITLE: DECEASED: DATE AND HOUR OF DEATH: 5-25-20; 9:25 p.m. DATE AND HOUR OF AUTOPSY: 5-26-20; 9:25 a.m. PATHOLOGIST: Andrew M. Baker, M.D. FINAL DIAGNOSES: SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION
其他专家是:病理学专家 Dr. William Schaetzel, 前Hennepin County地检官Amy Sweasy,法医Dr. Lindsey Thomas。这是敢说话的人,事实上大部分人都不敢说话的。 法官和律师都知道有什么用?被告不知道,陪审团也不知道,判罪是陪审团判的,法官是判刑期的,律师是被告律师,被告律师为了赶紧结案,就没有告诉被告,否则被告说一定会叫Dr Schaetzel出庭作证,让陪审团知道尸检报告结论有争议。我不知道法官有没有义务告知被告,但是现在是被告律师明明应该告知,却隐瞒了有争议的尸检结果,所以被告自己都以为是板上钉钉毫无疑问是压死的,还被律师忽悠成了永不上诉。 澜花花 发表于 2023-11-25 19:15
What the hell? Lindsey Thomas 的position 是: ”She also ruled out some of defense attorney Eric Nelson’s proposed causes of death, including a drug overdose or heart attack. Mentions of preexisting heart disease and the presence of fentanyl and methamphetamine on the autopsy report as contributing causes, she said, are the kind of data medical examiners and coroners include in the interest of providing a complete picture for scientists who may use that data in the future. ” 她完全是defense 对立面的。
What the hell? Lindsey Thomas 的position 是: ”She also ruled out some of defense attorney Eric Nelson’s proposed causes of death, including a drug overdose or heart attack. Mentions of preexisting heart disease and the presence of fentanyl and methamphetamine on the autopsy report as contributing causes, she said, are the kind of data medical examiners and coroners include in the interest of providing a complete picture for scientists who may use that data in the future. ” 她完全是defense 对立面的。 Sleepy3824 发表于 2023-11-25 19:33
Nelson, meanwhile, asked Thomas, hypothetically, if a person were to be found at home “no struggle with the police,” and “doesn’t have a heart problem, yet you find fentanyl and methamphetamine in this person’s system at the levels that they are at, would you certify this as an overdose?” She replied that “in the absence of any of these other realities, yes, I could consider that to be an overdose.” The level of fentanyl in Floyd’s body was 11 nanograms per milliliter, according to KARE-TV in Minneapolis. Nelson continued questioning, according to Breitbart News: “And the level of fentanyl in a person — again, in this hypothetical scenario — there are deaths certified as drug overdoses significantly lower than 11 nanograms per milliliter?” “Lower, higher. it’s got a huge range, yes,” she replied. “As low, I believe, as three percent, or, three nanograms per milliliter?” the attorney asked. “Yes,” Thomas replied. The Times explained that it is the job of a medical examiner to determine the cause of death by examing the body as other materials, such as “the police report, videos, medical records and toxicology reports.” In other words, the medical examiner is doing something similar to what the court is doing — looking at the evidence to determine what could have caused the death. In the case of the courts, any doubt about criminal liability in a death must then be taken into account by the jury, as our justice system is reliant on guilt that can be determined beyond a reasonable doubt. Thomas’ testimony has clearly provided substantiation that both the prosecution and defense have reason to doubt the others’ proposed cause of death — but it is only the prosecution side that needs to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Jurors simply cannot convict just because there’s doubt of Chauvin’s innocence. This is, in fact, the bedrock of our justice system. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty must be applied even to the most culturally villainous of figures like Derek Chauvin, or any of us could easily lose this constitutionally protected presumption. 我给你总结一下就是当时庭审的时候Lindsey Thomas是控方证人,但是她在辩方律师的提问下没有明确的证明黑人的死亡可以完全rule out吸毒过量。在控辩双方都对死因不能完全明确的情况下,应该是疑罪从无,而不是疑罪从有,但尸检报告也是疑罪从有,陪审团也是疑罪从有的定罪了。辩方律师当时其实可以传唤Dr Schaetzel作证,但并没有,所以辩方律师也就是做做样子而已。
他并没有做错什么。
在美国要定罪一个警察有多困难,你不知道吗?回去看看这个事情的来龙去脉,你再说他没做错什么好吧。
他就是为了黑命贵的祭品, 没有做错什么.
他只是过度执法导致过失杀人,就成了人渣2次方级别?
而且他也是运气不好撞在枪口上了,同时也是一只民众抗议警察过度执法的替罪羊而已。
那个老黑是烂命一条,这个警察虽然不是个好人,但罪不至这么重的刑罚,只能说时间点上太倒霉。就跟八几年中国严打的时候, 淫乱会被枪毙一样, 赶上了
这个警察有17次的投诉complaints, 远多于其他3个同僚。还有3次shooting case and 1 fatal shooting. 这些都是警方没有完全公布的,New York times 做过报道,不过没人看得到具体的调查报告关于17次的投诉和shooting 的调查结果。录像里面显示这个人用膝盖从受害者颈部侧面硬顶着压住超过9分钟。这个完全可以cut off 人体的blood circulation to brain, air flow to lung, 引起急性cardiac pulmonary arrest.他做这一切的时候脸上木无表情,显然早已习惯使用没有阻拦的公权力已久。他取人性命,自己被判刑22年,这次有狱友神助攻,这个警察坐牢几年就出来了。
当警察将近20年有17次投诉很多吗?你怎么不说他还得过medals for bravery? 除了Floyd,他还杀了或者弄残了谁?他或许不是一个好警察,但是你没有证据也不要污蔑人家就是个十恶不赦的坏蛋,好吗?
比他还人渣的而且逍遥法外的多了去了
得意洋洋地当众杀人,不算错?
这个说法不够严谨吧,得看他工作多少年,处理了多少case吧,万一别的几个同事是新手呢?
但直接死因还是警察过度执法,傲慢蛮横。人家都求饶喊老妈了,还活活把人家跪死。
这是高法的上诉文件,47页,我读了。 https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-416/285187/20231016171536486_Petition.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-416.html
这是明尼苏达court of appeal 的上诉文件,我也读了, https://mncourts.gov/StateofMinnesotavDerekChauvin
请你告诉我这些motion 里哪一段话是基于尸检上诉的?
所有的上诉理由都是围绕着negative publicity, prejudice, change of venue 。
你肯定没看过"天使的愤怒"这本小说。监狱里各种自制的武器,比如把牙刷杆磨尖等等。
是的,他没做错什么。他的人权在哪里?
因为他只能因为那些原因上诉,用新证据上诉的途径已经被他之前的认罪协议保证不上诉(除了前面那些原因)给堵死了。
美国警察很多种族歧视人渣。
不要空口说白话。
这个是county 的medical report, 一直就没有变过: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
司法部还让Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner review 了county 的报告, and the conclusion was consistent.
Baden and Wilson 做的independent 的报告也是death due to asphyxiation
你能告诉我既然有新的报告,是谁做的,说了什么,link 在哪里?
没有新报告,是原本的报告故意没有告诉警察,导致警察认为是自己压死的。现在警察才知道原来致死的注意原因是毒品。
天哪,这葫芦话来来回回说。
第一,这报告哪一段写了吸毒是致死主要原因? https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
第二,这个报告在案子的discovery phase 就给了defendant 一方,是案子的exhibits 之一。怎么可能”没有告诉警察”?autoposy report 是一个homicide case 的重要文件。
你这都是哪儿跟哪儿啊。
呵呵,记得说Floyd之前劣记斑斑的时候,有一帮人教导大家要要就事论事以前行为不应考虑的
是有毒理专家分析了报告并且认为死因不是压死,并且通知了辩方律师和法官,但是律师没有告诉警察。警察说知道了就会叫毒理专家来作证给陪审团。但是警察唯一上诉的理由就只有证明自己的辩方律师错误指导,其他理由一律不行。所以是律师和法官故意隐藏了证据,这个律师也很有问题。
你倒是拿个证据 给个link出来啊 车轱辘话话来回说 跟故事会似的 人家层主有理有据
https://www.westernjournal.com/ex-cop-chauvin-appeals-murder-conviction-george-floyd-citing-pathologists-theory-jury-never-heard/
警察这次上诉没用律师,估计自己不会整,我觉得其实是他的律师坑了他的,他可以用这条理由上诉,可能是坏人看到他快接近成功上诉了,所以赶紧灭了他,不然上诉成功的后果太严重。
他用ineffective counsel 理由上诉了吗?against Nelson 还是William Mohrman? 显然没有。
MN court of appeal 和高法已经过了一轮了。你以为”快接近成功了”,可能吗?
你发一个极右网站的link, 然后把他appeal motion 里grasping at straws 的话当作事实来说来说去。。。
我已经说了,他没用律师上诉的,很可能不会整。但是他可以继续上诉,下次也许就开窍了呢。
你不要管极右还是极左,这世界上就没有中立的媒体,事实就是他觉得他认罪的时候不知道这个命贵的主要死因不是他压的,一个是死亡当天他体内有致命芬太尼,而且他还有罕见的肿瘤,然后有不只一个专家认为他的死因不是窒息,但是他却被律师忽悠认罪还不可以上诉。现在是他刚意识到被忽悠了,然后估计也觉得再找一个律师也得接着忽悠他,所以自己上诉,第一次不行,再来几次估计就找到点上了。
他这个例子一出,谁愿意当jc?
这里的人没几个会拿枪劫持孕妇,还吸毒吧,难道你会?我来美国这么多年,身边的亚裔和亲朋好友,都对警察的评价是好的
根据法医尸检报告,你的英雄并不是窒息而死,请你搞明白。
如果我跪在你家人的脖子上超过10分钟,周围人都劝我下来,我就不下来。你家人死了,你会说我没做错什么吗?
你哪只眼睛看到他得意洋洋当众杀人了?fake news就是你这种不良之辈搞出来的
我不能同意更多
法医尸检报告上的title 就是因为”SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION”造成CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST 。你说的是哪个报告?
CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT CASE TITLE: DECEASED: DATE AND HOUR OF DEATH: 5-25-20; 9:25 p.m. DATE AND HOUR OF AUTOPSY: 5-26-20; 9:25 a.m. PATHOLOGIST: Andrew M. Baker, M.D. FINAL DIAGNOSES: SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION
当时那个状况,尸检报告写了两页,也写了芬太尼和肿瘤的情况,但是给出的结论是压死的,但是有其他专家看了报告,认为结论不是压死的,而且告诉了法官和律师,但是他们却没告诉警察。所以你不要看这个结论,就跟被从后面枪击结论是自杀一样的,这样明白?当时的状况就是内外勾结让这个案子速速判案再加个seal永不上诉。
且不说这个所谓的“其他专家”可不可信了 法官和律师都知道了却没有影响判决 为啥你觉得这个警察知道了会有什么不同的结果呢?
其他专家是:病理学专家 Dr. William Schaetzel, 前Hennepin County地检官Amy Sweasy,法医Dr. Lindsey Thomas。这是敢说话的人,事实上大部分人都不敢说话的。
法官和律师都知道有什么用?被告不知道,陪审团也不知道,判罪是陪审团判的,法官是判刑期的,律师是被告律师,被告律师为了赶紧结案,就没有告诉被告,否则被告说一定会叫Dr Schaetzel出庭作证,让陪审团知道尸检报告结论有争议。我不知道法官有没有义务告知被告,但是现在是被告律师明明应该告知,却隐瞒了有争议的尸检结果,所以被告自己都以为是板上钉钉毫无疑问是压死的,还被律师忽悠成了永不上诉。
What the hell? Lindsey Thomas 的position 是:
”She also ruled out some of defense attorney Eric Nelson’s proposed causes of death, including a drug overdose or heart attack. Mentions of preexisting heart disease and the presence of fentanyl and methamphetamine on the autopsy report as contributing causes, she said, are the kind of data medical examiners and coroners include in the interest of providing a complete picture for scientists who may use that data in the future. ”
她完全是defense 对立面的。
对。这里居然还有支持那只毒贩废柴的
Nelson, meanwhile, asked Thomas, hypothetically, if a person were to be found at home “no struggle with the police,” and “doesn’t have a heart problem, yet you find fentanyl and methamphetamine in this person’s system at the levels that they are at, would you certify this as an overdose?”
She replied that “in the absence of any of these other realities, yes, I could consider that to be an overdose.”
The level of fentanyl in Floyd’s body was 11 nanograms per milliliter, according to KARE-TV in Minneapolis. Nelson continued questioning, according to Breitbart News: “And the level of fentanyl in a person — again, in this hypothetical scenario — there are deaths certified as drug overdoses significantly lower than 11 nanograms per milliliter?”
“Lower, higher. it’s got a huge range, yes,” she replied. “As low, I believe, as three percent, or, three nanograms per milliliter?” the attorney asked. “Yes,” Thomas replied. The Times explained that it is the job of a medical examiner to determine the cause of death by examing the body as other materials, such as “the police report, videos, medical records and toxicology reports.”
In other words, the medical examiner is doing something similar to what the court is doing — looking at the evidence to determine what could have caused the death. In the case of the courts, any doubt about criminal liability in a death must then be taken into account by the jury, as our justice system is reliant on guilt that can be determined beyond a reasonable doubt.
Thomas’ testimony has clearly provided substantiation that both the prosecution and defense have reason to doubt the others’ proposed cause of death — but it is only the prosecution side that needs to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Jurors simply cannot convict just because there’s doubt of Chauvin’s innocence. This is, in fact, the bedrock of our justice system.
The presumption of innocence until proven guilty must be applied even to the most culturally villainous of figures like Derek Chauvin, or any of us could easily lose this constitutionally protected presumption.
我给你总结一下就是当时庭审的时候Lindsey Thomas是控方证人,但是她在辩方律师的提问下没有明确的证明黑人的死亡可以完全rule out吸毒过量。在控辩双方都对死因不能完全明确的情况下,应该是疑罪从无,而不是疑罪从有,但尸检报告也是疑罪从有,陪审团也是疑罪从有的定罪了。辩方律师当时其实可以传唤Dr Schaetzel作证,但并没有,所以辩方律师也就是做做样子而已。
你要么是无知 要么是可恶的racist,大概率是川粉
看出你是个法盲了 爱啥啥吧 不浪费时间了