经常看到A—B—C的机票比从A—B 的要便宜,什么原因?

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cocolili
楼主 (北美华人网)
航空公司图啥呢?
最近看机票,发现从西岸经台北的上海的机票,比西岸到台北的机票还要便宜,都是长荣的票。
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wengyuan
因为没有人愿意这么坐,所以便宜。
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lucyyan
公司定价从来都不是按照成本来,而是消费者认为的价值来。
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TEMUPDD
楼主你举的例子不恰当
像你标题说的那样,买A—B—C的机票然后只飞A—B段就好了
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MickeyCombo
楼主你举的例子不恰当
像你标题说的那样,买A—B—C的机票然后只飞A—B段就好了
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-10-23 21:54

这是绝对不可以的,上次有个老美这样钻空子被抓了
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shanggj
这是绝对不可以的,上次有个老美这样钻空子被抓了
MickeyCombo 发表于 2023-10-23 21:59

最多上 黑名单, 怎么会被抓?
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polyoma2002
楼主你举的例子不恰当
像你标题说的那样,买A—B—C的机票然后只飞A—B段就好了
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-10-23 21:54

首先往返票不能这么飞,其次不能托运行李,再次这样多搞几次航空公司就不让你飞了
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chatchat
最多上 黑名单, 怎么会被抓?
shanggj 发表于 2023-10-23 22:01

那个老美被禁止登机。
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TEMUPDD
这是绝对不可以的,上次有个老美这样钻空子被抓了
MickeyCombo 发表于 2023-10-23 21:59

谣传吧,A—B—C的机票不让只飞B—C段,但是只飞A—B段应该可以。难道还不允许误机没赶上转机?
至于老是这么干会不会被航空公司找麻烦,那是另外一回事

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chatchat
谣传吧,A—B—C的机票不让只飞B—C段,但是只飞A—B段应该可以。难道还不允许误机没赶上转机?
至于老是这么干会不会被航空公司找麻烦,那是另外一回事


TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-10-23 22:03

你自己看吧。 American Airlines Banned Teenager Who Tried Skiplagging (insider.com) American Airlines barred a 17-year-old from flying with the airline for 3 years because he tried to use a ''skiplagging'' ticket, the teen''s father says American Airlines has barred a teenager who planned to disembark during his layover in Charlotte, North Carolina, instead of New York City, his final destination. The teenager''s father, Hunter Parsons, told Insider that the airline barred his son from flying with them for three years because he was planning to use a $150 skiplagging ticket — a practice prohibited by many airlines, including American. "His ticket was canceled and he was banned from AA for three years but never actually did anything wrong. He never even got his boarding pass," Parsons said in a Facebook message. Skiplagging — also known as "hidden city" or "throwaway" ticketing — is a controversial cost-saving strategy where passengers book tickets with a layover with the idea of skipping the second leg of the flight. While skiplagging helps passengers save money, it often results in lost revenue for airlines.

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TEMUPDD
你自己看吧。 American Airlines Banned Teenager Who Tried Skiplagging (insider.com) American Airlines barred a 17-year-old from flying with the airline for 3 years because he tried to use a ''skiplagging'' ticket, the teen''s father says American Airlines has barred a teenager who planned to disembark during his layover in Charlotte, North Carolina, instead of New York City, his final destination. The teenager''s father, Hunter Parsons, told Insider that the airline barred his son from flying with them for three years because he was planning to use a $150 skiplagging ticket — a practice prohibited by many airlines, including American. "His ticket was canceled and he was banned from AA for three years but never actually did anything wrong. He never even got his boarding pass," Parsons said in a Facebook message. Skiplagging — also known as "hidden city" or "throwaway" ticketing — is a controversial cost-saving strategy where passengers book tickets with a layover with the idea of skipping the second leg of the flight. While skiplagging helps passengers save money, it often results in lost revenue for airlines.


chatchat 发表于 2023-10-23 22:05

目前好像就仅此一例而已
而且文章里写的让人费解:When someone skips out on the final leg of a trip, airlines can't fill the empty seat, which would have sold for more money had it not been booked as part of a multi-stop itinerary.
乘客不坐航空公司并没有损失钱啊,要是说分开卖会多赚有这种可能,但是没人阻止航空公司分开来卖啊
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superppdd
目前好像就仅此一例而已
而且文章里写的让人费解:When someone skips out on the final leg of a trip, airlines can't fill the empty seat, which would have sold for more money had it not been booked as part of a multi-stop itinerary.
乘客不坐航空公司并没有损失钱啊,要是说分开卖会多赚有这种可能,但是没人阻止航空公司分开来卖啊
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-10-23 22:16

但是这个座位已经卖给他了啊,还怎么分开卖
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qilinmeng
提高B到C段的上座率。上座率是航班航线的一个KPI指标。大致如此
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ljmdtc
目前好像就仅此一例而已
而且文章里写的让人费解:When someone skips out on the final leg of a trip, airlines can't fill the empty seat, which would have sold for more money had it not been booked as part of a multi-stop itinerary.
乘客不坐航空公司并没有损失钱啊,要是说分开卖会多赚有这种可能,但是没人阻止航空公司分开来卖啊
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-10-23 22:16

所以根本上还是航空公司霸王条款,不讲道理
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rrtiger
上座率只是一方面。A-B直飞对只想直飞的乘客是刚需,价格高大家也买。A-B-C要和别的航司抢转机旅客,自然价格便宜
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ChaoGao
如果只飞这个航空公司一次 + 不托运行李 + 单程 = 无风险
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TEMUPDD
但是这个座位已经卖给他了啊,还怎么分开卖
superppdd 发表于 2023-10-23 22:23

我的意思是他坐不坐都已经交了钱啊,又不是说他后面一段不坐航空公司还要退钱给他。
所以说航空公司因此会亏钱站不住脚
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TEMUPDD
所以根本上还是航空公司霸王条款,不讲道理
ljmdtc 发表于 2023-10-23 22:41

就是。AA起诉Skiplagged结果还输了
Last week, American Airlines filed suit against Skiplagged in federal court. In its complaint, American alleges that Skiplagged's practices are "deceptive and abusive."
"Skiplagged deceives the public into believing that, even though it has no authority to form and issue a contract on American's behalf, somehow it can still issue a completely valid ticket. It cannot. Every 'ticket' issued by Skiplagged is at risk of being invalidated," the airline said.
Officials for the site could not be reached for comment. But Skiplagged, which has been around for a decade, has survived past lawsuits from the likes of United Airlines and Orbitz. It even brags about these victories on its site, boasting, "Our flights are so cheap, United sued us ... but we won."
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wa8445
我理解是这样的。举个例子,A-B是热门航线,航空公司要维持高价赚钱,如果一个月一万乘客,降100元就损失100万。但如果这个月想直飞的人不到一万,多出了100个位子,怎么办? 最优解是维持直飞价钱不变,把剩下100个位置打包和其他航线一起卖掉保本。把剩下位子降价卖掉不是好办法,这样已买票乘客会不满,要price match。另外,未来乘客会有降价希望,不愿提前订票,这是航空公司最不愿意看到的。 这样也可以理解为啥航空公司一定要你坐完A-B-C的整个航程了。
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gokgs
这个确实比较搞。
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wanjunli2022
航空公司图啥呢?
最近看机票,发现从西岸经台北的上海的机票,比西岸到台北的机票还要便宜,都是长荣的票。
cocolili 发表于 2023-10-23 20:01

skiplagged
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TEMUPDD
我理解是这样的。举个例子,A-B是热门航线,航空公司要维持高价赚钱,如果一个月一万乘客,降100元就损失100万。但如果这个月想直飞的人不到一万,多出了100个位子,怎么办? 最优解是维持直飞价钱不变,把剩下100个位置打包和其他航线一起卖掉保本。把剩下位子降价卖掉不是好办法,这样已买票乘客会不满,要price match。另外,未来乘客会有降价希望,不愿提前订票,这是航空公司最不愿意看到的。 这样也可以理解为啥航空公司一定要你坐完A-B-C的整个航程了。
wa8445 发表于 2023-10-23 22:54

你所谓的price match是真的吗?
大家提前买好了票后面如果降价了,找谁去要price match?
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NDAQ
如果有大量这种情况出现,说明现在的情况是美国西岸到台北属于热门线路,西岸到上海属于冷门线路。这个变化真是让人不知道怎么说好。
这种叫弃程票,以下内容转自Twitter, credit to 雷尼尔
https://twitter.com/mtrainier2020/status/1691146096632860672
首先需要理解,为什么会有弃程票的存在。
美国的航空公司(其实全世界大部分全服务航空公司 full service,对应的是廉航)都采用是是Hub-And-Spoke 系统,即是运营几个大的枢纽机场,把乘客先拉到枢纽,然后从这个转机站再拉到最终的目的地。比如达拉斯是AA hub,西雅图是DL和Alaska的 hub。
如买AA的国内机票,若不是直飞的话,大多会从达拉斯(DFW),夏洛特(CLT),芝加哥(ORD),费城(PHL)和凤凰城(PHX)转机。国际航班也是类似。每个航司的hub都不太一样。
因为demand的supply的原因,从一个冷门区域去某航司的hub的航线往往是供不应求的,客户为了避免转机,愿意花更多的钱来直飞(其他航司大概率在这个区间内没有直飞),所以机票价格比较高。 而冷门到冷门的区域,一般都需要经过1次中转。那么航司之间谁都没有特别大的优势,所以航司之间为了竞争,故意把价格降的很低。 然后鸡贼的人看到了这个机会,他本来想去hub,但是故意订了一个偏远地区的票。因为前面说的原因,大家都是一程中转,所以会出现倒挂现象。然后用户,到了hub直接把剩下的航段给弃了。占了航空公司的便宜。而且,会给行李直挂等带来很多问题。 航空公司被你赚一次便宜,还可以,多了都会翻脸。
航空公司有么有权利翻脸? 有的。 因为机票不是简单的电影票,机票是一组fare和规则。规则不一样,价格也不一样。 推荐大家使用网站 itamatrix 这个网站可以帮你查到你买到机票的详细规则。 退改签等等。
如果你故意弃程,就是违背了机票的使用规则。相当于合同违约了。那么,航司当然有权利拒绝履约的。
当然很多人,并不一定是故意玩弃程票。因为不专业,也不熟悉。但是票代就未必了,有些票代,非常擅长玩这些弃程票,但是他们以原价或者稍微低一些的价格卖给你。 作为客户,你花了到hub的钱,但是你实际上拿到的是弃程票。所有的风险都是你自己担的。这就比较缺德。以前某ota平台上有很多这种票代。
最后,建议还是在规则范围内玩,自己订票直接去航司订。
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TEMUPDD
“所以航司之间为了竞争,故意把价格降的很低。”
明明是航司鸡贼,结果把帽子扣到了乘客头上
LOL
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wa8445
你所谓的price match是真的吗?
大家提前买好了票后面如果降价了,找谁去要price match?
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-10-23 23:27

好多航空公司网站都有,若干天内降价会退钱。用一些信用卡订票也有这个福利。买票时注意看看。
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mushroomjr
skiplagging 这事我干过 就是只做前段 然后我上飞机之前就跟航司说了我有事 我到B城市下来就不登机了 他们ok的 当时我也没有行李 所以不知道行李能不能处理 但是应该不能老这么干
路人路过
一个是直飞,一个是中转 你要是愿意多换几次飞机,可能半价都不用
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Doudoudou11
这是绝对不可以的,上次有个老美这样钻空子被抓了
MickeyCombo 发表于 2023-10-23 21:59

为啥被抓啊?那如果单纯因为别的事没赶上最后一段航程,自己选择别的方式了,也违法了?
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Cleveland
这是绝对不可以的,上次有个老美这样钻空子被抓了
MickeyCombo 发表于 2023-10-23 21:59

这样犯法?