美国很多家庭要攒12年,才能装个空调

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3whhttp
楼主 (北美华人网)
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flora2023
hehe...
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pop
你要是去欧洲,没空调的家庭比例可能更高呢。
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Cleveland
先是吃不饱,现在是装不起空调,唉
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brookeyang
现在这么贵了吗?记得好像几千块钱,空调加furnace
什么鬼,现在里外换个全新的空调也就8k多,牌子次点的6千多也能换,而且大部分时候换零部件就够了,本人10+年房东了,早期4千多就可以安装个全新的空调跟管道。
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Huanmin
临时买个100多刀的窗口空调不行吗?
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xwei26
中央空调要是坏了我也嫌换一个贵,但是,至少还有窗机啊。国内很多人也是分体式空调,按房间装的
国内因为水深所以要出一个美国火热的报道吗? 先把故宫的水抽干净吧,老祖宗那么点东西都给霍霍没了。
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ZSLKS
穷的时候 买一个窗式空调 几百刀?
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QQ.com
买窗式空调,几百块就搞定,放在全家人最多的地方。买不起全部房间,一个总可以吧。文章太夸张了。住普通公寓的谁给你安装中央空调啊。
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zhangxx818
回复 1楼3whhttp的帖子
哈哈哈哈,就跟台湾说大陆人吃不起茶叶蛋一样。。。
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Fantasyland
我家窗户就装不了窗式的空调。换窗户更贵。
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nomorewaiting
中央热泵系统。。。。。
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Huanmin
回复 13楼的帖子
还有移动式的。你家里窗口能够打开吗?
小喵呜
中央热甭系统是不是指的是heat pump?好像是要比一般的空调贵。
水蓝
国内因为水深所以要出一个美国火热的报道吗? 先把故宫的水抽干净吧,老祖宗那么点东西都给霍霍没了。
电 发表于 2023-08-02 19:21

正在温习《上新了故宫》。
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dingdang8467
回复 5楼brookeyang的帖子
如果比较大的house比较老的要建air duct,去年我有个小房子报价2w.
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babyG
2.5万刀是不是包全套新管道,新furnace,新a/c, 申请permit, 还有修墙补漆所有费用啊?
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绿葱
在Denver, 空调就不是必须品, 半数以上的人家是没有空调的。 出租房的空调是optional, 甚至大学宿舍的一楼也没有空调。 一年中90度以上 的天数平均只有四十多天, 疫情下的2020, 2021 和2022是特别热, 连着破90度天数记录, 去年把记录从72天提到76天。 今年很凉快,只有过去的一周天天过90度, 全年总天数不会超过30天。 而且白天再热, 太阳下山就凉快了,最低温度很难超过摄氏20度的水平。 以前我家上班的上班, 去学校的去学校, 六点回家开门通风就凉快了, 有空调也很少用。 现在用得多些。
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alloccupied
啥意思?我身边就真没有听到看到过家里不装中央空调的当地人家庭。。。
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babolucia
简直是放P, 两万五美元住的是多大的豪宅?住得起那么大豪宅的肯定换的起。几千块明明就够了,造谣也打打草稿。
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h2o.work
说的好像中国空调安装率比这高似的。 只说空调,不说是中央空调系统,也不提房子面积,每月1000美元生活保障金也可以忽略,总之说美国穷的揭不开锅就对了
水蓝
在Denver, 空调就不是必须品, 半数以上的人家是没有空调的。 出租房的空调是optional, 甚至大学宿舍的一楼也没有空调。 一年中90度以上 的天数平均只有四十多天, 疫情下的2020, 2021 和2022是特别热, 连着破90度天数记录, 去年把记录从72天提到76天。 今年很凉快,只有过去的一周天天过90度, 全年总天数不会超过30天。 而且白天再热, 太阳下山就凉快了,最低温度很难超过摄氏20度的水平。 以前我家上班的上班, 去学校的去学校, 六点回家开门通风就凉快了, 有空调也很少用。 现在用得多些。
绿葱 发表于 2023-08-02 19:38

这种新闻,不是给咱们看的😄
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waer
向大家请教一下heat pump系统,真的很值得装吗? 我家现在是furnace和ac,ac因为年数久远换俩主机也要几万,是不是干脆换heat pump算了呢
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alloccupied
说的好像中国空调安装率比这高似的。 只说空调,不说是中央空调系统,也不提房子面积,每月1000美元生活保障金也可以忽略,总之说美国穷的揭不开锅就对了
h2o.work 发表于 2023-08-02 19:47

我怎么有个印象,国内普通家庭,大半都是装那种一个房间一个的空调?这类空调叫什么名字我忘了。
难道我这印象落伍了吗?国内现在绝大多数家庭都普及中央空调了吗?
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renren2
美國很多家庭要攢10年 夏天才能開空調 因為solar panel 還得分10年貸款
美國很多家庭都沒現金吃飯了 只能刷卡應急
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cheekymaomao
宣传的好,我们在美国生活在水深火热之中,快可怜可怜我们吧,回国探亲,空手回,见谁都要东西要钱,我们日子过不下去了,还有别来,来太多就是在美国卷,好不容易逃离的了那片土地想喘口气,别把美国再嚯嚯一遍
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danielocean
先是吃不饱,现在是装不起空调,唉
Cleveland 发表于 2023-08-02 19:13

装不上空调可能是的 吃不饱我不信,可以拿SNAP food stamp,还有community center, church发食物
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destiny2008
这是丹佛被黑的最狠的一次
一只小蚂蚁
哈哈哈,他们高兴就好
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alanbeil
简直是放P, 两万五美元住的是多大的豪宅?住得起那么大豪宅的肯定换的起。几千块明明就够了,造谣也打打草稿。
babolucia 发表于 2023-08-02 19:45

COSTCO里有那种可移动的空调,才400刀,家里备两个,哪屋需要放哪里,怎么就不行了?穷人要有穷人的活法,谁说非得上中央空调了
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.岸.
嗯,攒12年买了空调还要攒电费,隔两年才能用一年,闲置的那两年还可以租给攒够电费又买不起空调的人家用,生意老好了
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walkingclounds
哪里需要2.5万美元?我邻居刚换的最基本的trane HE的,一套五千多美金,瞎扯呢吧
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kiim
去年冬天担忧欧洲人民没钱取暖 今年夏天为美国人民的空调操心
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Dida123
国内人鱼没人信。 我在微博上刷到过,一堆嘲的
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xiaoywz
国内经济都那个怂样儿了。 美国人那必须得过得更不好!
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kiim
在Denver, 空调就不是必须品, 半数以上的人家是没有空调的。 出租房的空调是optional, 甚至大学宿舍的一楼也没有空调。 一年中90度以上 的天数平均只有四十多天, 疫情下的2020, 2021 和2022是特别热, 连着破90度天数记录, 去年把记录从72天提到76天。 今年很凉快,只有过去的一周天天过90度, 全年总天数不会超过30天。 而且白天再热, 太阳下山就凉快了,最低温度很难超过摄氏20度的水平。 以前我家上班的上班, 去学校的去学校, 六点回家开门通风就凉快了, 有空调也很少用。 现在用得多些。
绿葱 发表于 2023-08-02 19:38

没住过不需要空调的州 好奇你们的供暖是怎么安排的呢?
我住过的房子和公寓全是中央空调 夏天冷气冬天暖气是一套系统
驫龘麤靐
美国人攒钱是难啊,他们好像根本就没有存钱的习惯,有点钱先烧了再说,我当年看will smith的pursuit of happiness,里面有一个桥段,好不容易挣了两个子,赶快去乱造,烧光,完全不顾明天有没有饭吃。
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TEMUPDD
简直是放P, 两万五美元住的是多大的豪宅?住得起那么大豪宅的肯定换的起。几千块明明就够了,造谣也打打草稿。
babolucia 发表于 2023-08-02 19:45

你这都是老黄历了
稍微好点的牌子性能好点的,就要上万了
像楼下说的“换俩主机也要几万”
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2018xixi
临时买个100多刀的窗口空调不行吗?
Huanmin 发表于 2023-08-02 19:16

对啊,明明portable AC就2-3百刀,二手的更便宜
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TEMUPDD
在Denver, 空调就不是必须品, 半数以上的人家是没有空调的。 出租房的空调是optional, 甚至大学宿舍的一楼也没有空调。 一年中90度以上 的天数平均只有四十多天, 疫情下的2020, 2021 和2022是特别热, 连着破90度天数记录, 去年把记录从72天提到76天。 今年很凉快,只有过去的一周天天过90度, 全年总天数不会超过30天。 而且白天再热, 太阳下山就凉快了,最低温度很难超过摄氏20度的水平。 以前我家上班的上班, 去学校的去学校, 六点回家开门通风就凉快了, 有空调也很少用。 现在用得多些。
绿葱 发表于 2023-08-02 19:38

Strictly looking at Denver, the city estimates about 30% of all homes lack central air conditioning, according to a 2021 city-issued report on renewable heating and cooling. Meanwhile, Denver is getting hotter.
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caturday
2.5万刀是不是包全套新管道,新furnace,新a/c, 申请permit, 还有修墙补漆所有费用啊?
babyG 发表于 2023-08-02 19:35

还包括刨地三尺geo thermal pump 安装呢
痘痘猪
一个月就100刀的最大的问题不是没有空调 而是没有房子吧? 这不是流浪汉吗
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TEMUPDD
对啊,明明portable AC就2-3百刀,二手的更便宜
2018xixi 发表于 2023-08-02 21:06

自己用冰块制冷应该更更便宜
或者去捡人家扔掉的
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drugdealer
国内如果真有人被洗脑的到这都信了只能说明一个事 --- 真要佩服国内管控信息的能力。
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dreamalittledream
挺好的,在国内的就偷着乐吧。
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multiplelife
国内如果真有人被洗脑的到这都信了只能说明一个事 --- 真要佩服国内管控信息的能力。
drugdealer 发表于 2023-08-02 21:36

这算啥,我还有国内亲戚问我,是不是美籍华人的财产都要没收呢,我只好说,那等我下个月从夏威夷度假回来赶紧把房子先卖了
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LA_SF_MIA
中国越差越出问题, 必须越编造美国的假新闻来污蔑
这样屁民有满足感
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ihatemylife
空调本身其实并不贵,决定用不用得起空调的原因是电费多少。美国电费低,所以穷人也能用得起空调。但是国内和欧洲电费高,那空调就变成奢侈品了。
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Coffee2
什么鬼, 低收入家庭住政府补贴的房子, 都是有标准的好吧
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Namama
问题是,这个新闻是美国自己发的 楼上一堆人是不是喷错方向了?
Record heat waves illuminate plight of poorest Americans who suffer without air conditioning
The 68-year-old covers his windows with mattress foam to insulate against the heat and sleeps in the concrete basement. He knows high temperatures can cause heat stroke and death, and his lung condition makes him more susceptible. But the retired brick layer, who survives on about $1,000 a month largely from Social Security, says air conditioning is out of reach. “Take me about 12 years to save up for something like that,” he said. “If it’s hard to breathe, I’ll get down to emergency.”
https://apnews.com/article/heat-wave-low-income-race-death-air-conditioning-f897e336d6d99ee2a53024f42ad7b8b5
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brookeyang
问题是,这个新闻是美国自己发的 楼上一堆人是不是喷错方向了?
Record heat waves illuminate plight of poorest Americans who suffer without air conditioning
The 68-year-old covers his windows with mattress foam to insulate against the heat and sleeps in the concrete basement. He knows high temperatures can cause heat stroke and death, and his lung condition makes him more susceptible. But the retired brick layer, who survives on about $1,000 a month largely from Social Security, says air conditioning is out of reach. “Take me about 12 years to save up for something like that,” he said. “If it’s hard to breathe, I’ll get down to emergency.”
https://apnews.com/article/heat-wave-low-income-race-death-air-conditioning-f897e336d6d99ee2a53024f42ad7b8b5

Namama 发表于 2023-08-02 22:10

里面有讲装个空调要25k吗?
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dan1313
国内因为水深所以要出一个美国火热的报道吗? 先把故宫的水抽干净吧,老祖宗那么点东西都给霍霍没了。
电 发表于 2023-08-02 19:21

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hellohappy
里面有讲装个空调要25k吗?
brookeyang 发表于 2023-08-02 22:21

中央空调的话,2万5,都装不下来吧,感觉至少要3万。
很多美国家庭确实装不起中央空调,装得起,谁一个卧室一个窗式机啊,嗡嗡嗡吵得脑壳疼。
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waer
我怎么有个印象,国内普通家庭,大半都是装那种一个房间一个的空调?这类空调叫什么名字我忘了。
难道我这印象落伍了吗?国内现在绝大多数家庭都普及中央空调了吗?
alloccupied 发表于 2023-08-02 20:12

分体式空调,我姐家新房装的是中央空调,因为铺地板加走中央空调管道家里层高低了一些。
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mayyi
人类几千年都没有空调,也过来了。没空调,可能调动自身的调节能力
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luoguo
这话题,那国产家电出口给谁了啊。。。。
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brookeyang
中央空调的话,2万5,都装不下来吧,感觉至少要3万。
很多美国家庭确实装不起中央空调,装得起,谁一个卧室一个窗式机啊,嗡嗡嗡吵得脑壳疼。
hellohappy 发表于 2023-08-02 22:26

装中央空调一般在建房装。很少有后来加管道从开始装的。月收入1000$的,装得起也用不起的。买个窗式不就行了。好多旅馆都是窗式。
这个英文文章里没说装空调要25 k啊。这个就是小编自己加的。
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ihatemylife
中央空调的话,2万5,都装不下来吧,感觉至少要3万。
很多美国家庭确实装不起中央空调,装得起,谁一个卧室一个窗式机啊,嗡嗡嗡吵得脑壳疼。
hellohappy 发表于 2023-08-02 22:26

难道我住的是假美国?哪家美国人没空调啊?!自住房一般都是有中央空调的,就跟马桶一样是必需品。建房子的时候就安装空调了。空调一般用个十几二十年没有问题,就算坏了也只用换外面的机子,几千美元而已。 租房子的房东都会配置空调的。然后穷人住的政府房也是有空调的。美国除了那些四季常春不太需要空调的地方,我真想不出来哪里会没有空调。
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ellen_1010
我家20年换了个新的只要5000多,后来21年修空调的来说合算,21年就贵了可能要将近1万
临时工
装中央空调一般在建房装。很少有后来加管道从开始装的。月收入1000$的,装得起也用不起的。买个窗式不就行了。好多旅馆都是窗式。
这个英文文章里没说装空调要25 k啊。这个就是小编自己加的。
brookeyang 发表于 2023-08-02 22:40

“While billions in federal funding have been allocated to subsidize utility costs and the installation of cooling systems, experts say they often only support a fraction of the most vulnerable families and some still require prohibitive upfront costs. Installing a centralized heat pump system for heating and cooling can easily reach $25,000.”
讲了。小编没编。
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TEMUPDD
中国越差越出问题, 必须越编造美国的假新闻来污蔑
这样屁民有满足感
LA_SF_MIA 发表于 2023-08-02 21:42

中国编造美国的假新闻,这样屁民有满足感?LOL
Record heat waves illuminate plight of poorest Americans who suffer without air conditioning
The 68-year-old covers his windows with mattress foam to insulate against the heat and sleeps in the concrete basement. He knows high temperatures can cause heat stroke and death, and his lung condition makes him more susceptible. But the retired brick layer, who survives on about $1,000 a month largely from Social Security, says air conditioning is out of reach. “Take me about 12 years to save up for something like that,” he said. “If it’s hard to breathe, I’ll get down to emergency.
While billions in federal funding have been allocated to subsidize utility costs and the installation of cooling systems, experts say they often only support a fraction of the most vulnerable families and some still require prohibitive upfront costs. Installing a centralized heat pump system for heating and cooling can easily reach $25,000.
https://apnews.com/article/heat-wave-low-income-race-death-air-conditioning-f897e336d6d99ee2a53024f42ad7b8b5
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cress
在Denver, 空调就不是必须品, 半数以上的人家是没有空调的。 出租房的空调是optional, 甚至大学宿舍的一楼也没有空调。 一年中90度以上 的天数平均只有四十多天, 疫情下的2020, 2021 和2022是特别热, 连着破90度天数记录, 去年把记录从72天提到76天。 今年很凉快,只有过去的一周天天过90度, 全年总天数不会超过30天。 而且白天再热, 太阳下山就凉快了,最低温度很难超过摄氏20度的水平。 以前我家上班的上班, 去学校的去学校, 六点回家开门通风就凉快了, 有空调也很少用。 现在用得多些。
绿葱 发表于 2023-08-02 19:38

九十度以上四十多天居然没空调?
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brookeyang
中国编造美国的假新闻,这样屁民有满足感?LOL
Record heat waves illuminate plight of poorest Americans who suffer without air conditioning
The 68-year-old covers his windows with mattress foam to insulate against the heat and sleeps in the concrete basement. He knows high temperatures can cause heat stroke and death, and his lung condition makes him more susceptible. But the retired brick layer, who survives on about $1,000 a month largely from Social Security, says air conditioning is out of reach. “Take me about 12 years to save up for something like that,” he said. “If it’s hard to breathe, I’ll get down to emergency.
While billions in federal funding have been allocated to subsidize utility costs and the installation of cooling systems, experts say they often only support a fraction of the most vulnerable families and some still require prohibitive upfront costs. Installing a centralized heat pump system for heating and cooling can easily reach $25,000.
https://apnews.com/article/heat-wave-low-income-race-death-air-conditioning-f897e336d6d99ee2a53024f42ad7b8b5
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-08-02 23:54

呵呵这种无人问津的报道小编也能挖掘出来,文章第二段就算讲了安装整个heat pump 和空调可能要reach 25k , 并不指那个一月挣1000$攒十二年就要装这个种系统。这种收入十二年一万块钱的空调也装不起的,装上utility 也付不起。就是断章取义。
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nongminf
跟吃茶叶蛋有啥区别啊
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yerong
还说韩国人一天只吃泡菜 所以穷哈哈
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TEMUPDD
呵呵这种无人问津的报道小编也能挖掘出来,文章第二段就算讲了安装整个heat pump 和空调可能要reach 25k , 并不指那个一月挣1000$攒十二年就要装这个种系统。这种收入十二年一万块钱的空调也装不起的,装上utility 也付不起。就是断章取义。
brookeyang 发表于 2023-08-03 00:04

再怎么着也不是中国编造的假新闻
还有ABC News也变成无人问津的报道了, 你赢了
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/record-heat-waves-illuminate-plight-poorest-americans-suffer-101850838
游戏人生
人家说最贫困的那一部分人,你们又不是最贫困的那一批,干嘛纷纷对号入座
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daxio
中国编造美国的假新闻,这样屁民有满足感?LOL
Record heat waves illuminate plight of poorest Americans who suffer without air conditioning
The 68-year-old covers his windows with mattress foam to insulate against the heat and sleeps in the concrete basement. He knows high temperatures can cause heat stroke and death, and his lung condition makes him more susceptible. But the retired brick layer, who survives on about $1,000 a month largely from Social Security, says air conditioning is out of reach. “Take me about 12 years to save up for something like that,” he said. “If it’s hard to breathe, I’ll get down to emergency.
While billions in federal funding have been allocated to subsidize utility costs and the installation of cooling systems, experts say they often only support a fraction of the most vulnerable families and some still require prohibitive upfront costs. Installing a centralized heat pump system for heating and cooling can easily reach $25,000.
https://apnews.com/article/heat-wave-low-income-race-death-air-conditioning-f897e336d6d99ee2a53024f42ad7b8b5
TEMUPDD 发表于 2023-08-02 23:54

哈哈哈哈,打脸来得好快
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springwaterhot
现在装个新空调,价格比两年前翻了一倍!还有自从奥巴马上台,美国医生工资大幅度上调,但是医疗保险自付部分比例越来越高。上了脚 拍个x光,医生基本没啥处理,保险支付一万多,自掏腰包一千多。生活质量下降就是从奥巴马开始飞速下滑的
熊宝宝
我家没有空调,也没有需要,每天晚上10几度,湾区很多没有ac, 尤其中半岛,Sf,晚上散步很多人穿薄羽绒服,以往一年有几天需要,今年还没有碰到一般8月有几天。
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Wugelvshi
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这个不到150美元的美的空调不能用么?13周的孩子难道不能用这个空调?
这空调只要能扛起40斤大米的,就可以搞定安装,不用花一分钱。当然,十指不沾泥的仙女们估计得找人安装,可那也不能算穷人了吧。
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frankingcn2
现在装空调的确不便宜,我家去年换了房子刚装的,一起换了furnace,16000$,旧的声音像轰炸机一样实在受不了。
恰恰香瓜子
先是吃不饱,现在是装不起空调,唉
Cleveland 发表于 2023-08-02 19:13

吃不饱不应该啊
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babynora
上个月刚换完空调+furnace,整个系统+安装费用13000,只要选择符合低能耗要求的款式可以通过电/气公司七年免息付款,低收入的话好像还有别的form可以填拿各种优惠。很多时候穷人日子难过是没有人给他们指引资源在哪里。。。。
平明寻白羽


Record heat waves illuminate plight of poorest Americans who suffer without air conditioning
开楼贴是直接翻译的美联社七月三十号的文章,原文找到了
攒十二年钱和25000刀装都黑体了
https://apnews.com/article/heat-wave-low-income-race-death-air-conditioning-f897e336d6d99ee2a53024f42ad7b8b5
As climate change fans hotter and longer heat waves, the poorest Americans often suffer the hottest days with the fewest defenses. Centralized air, once a luxury, is now more a matter of survival. (July 30) (AP Video: Thomas Peipert, Brittany Peterson) By JESSE BEDAYN Updated 5:55 PM CDT, July 30, 2023
DENVER (AP) — As Denver neared triple-digit temperatures, Ben Gallegos sat shirtless on his porch swatting flies off his legs and spritzing himself with a misting fan to try to get through the heat. Gallegos, like many in the nation’s poorest neighborhoods, doesn’t have air conditioning. The 68-year-old covers his windows with mattress foam to insulate against the heat and sleeps in the concrete basement. He knows high temperatures can cause heat stroke and death, and his lung condition makes him more susceptible. But the retired brick layer, who survives on about $1,000 a month largely from Social Security, says air conditioning is out of reach. “Take me about 12 years to save up for something like that,” he said. “If it’s hard to breathe, I’ll get down to emergency.”
As climate change fans hotter and longer heat waves, breaking record temperatures across the U.S. and leaving dozens dead, the poorest Americans suffer the hottest days with the fewest defenses. Air conditioning, once a luxury, is now a matter of survival.
As Phoenix weathered its 27th consecutive day above 110 degrees (43 Celsius) Wednesday, the nine who died indoors didn’t have functioning air conditioning, or it was turned off. Last year, all 86 heat-related deaths indoors were in uncooled environments. “To explain it fairly simply: Heat kills,” said Kristie Ebi, a University of Washington professor who researches heat and health. “Once the heat wave starts, mortality starts in about 24 hours.” It’s the poorest and people of color, from Kansas City to Detroit to New York City and beyond, who are far more likely to face grueling heat without air conditioning, according to a Boston University analysis of 115 U.S. metros.
Ben Gallegos pulls back a covering to show the foam pad used to insulate a window in his family''''s home in the Globeville neighborhood as the daytime high temperature soars toward triple digits, Thursday, July 27, 2023, in north Denver. Gallegos has taken several measures to keep his home cool in spite of lacking central air conditioning. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski) A shirtless man guides his wheelchair down the bicycle lane along 45th Avenue as tempratures rise toward triple digits in the Globeville neighborhood Wednesday, July 26, 2023, in north Denver. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski) “The temperature differences ... between lower-income neighborhoods, neighborhoods of color and their wealthier, whiter counterparts have pretty severe consequences,” said Cate Mingoya-LaFortune of Groundwork USA, an environmental justice organization. “There are these really big consequences like death. ... But there’s also ambient misery.” Some have window units that can offer respite, but “in the dead of heat, it don’t do nothing,” said Melody Clark, who stopped Friday to get food at a nonprofit in Kansas City, Kansas, as temperatures soared to 101, and high humidity made it feel like 109. When the central air conditioning at her rental house went on the fritz, her landlord installed a window unit. But it doesn’t do much during the day. So the 45-year-old wets her hair, cooks outside on a propane grill and keeps the lights off indoors. She’s taken the bus to the library to cool off. At night she flips the box unit on, hauling her bed into the room where it’s located to sleep. As far as her two teenagers, she said: “They aren’t little bitty. We aren’t dying in the heat. ... They don’t complain.”
While billions in federal funding have been allocated to subsidize utility costs and the installation of cooling systems, experts say they often only support a fraction of the most vulnerable families and some still require prohibitive upfront costs. Installing a centralized heat pump system for heating and cooling can easily reach $25,000. President Joe Biden announced steps on Thursday to defend against extreme heat, highlighting the expansion of the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, which funnels money through states to help poorer households pay utility bills. While the program is critical, said Michelle Graff, who studies the subsidy at Cleveland State University, only about 16% of the nation’s eligible population is actually reached. Nearly half of states don’t offer the federal dollars for summer cooling. “So people are engaging in coping mechanisms, like they’re turning on their air conditioners later and leaving their homes hotter,” Graff said. While frigid temperatures and high heating bills birthed the term “heat or eat,” she said, “we can now transition to AC or eat, where people are going to have to make difficult decisions.”
As temperatures rise, so does the cost of cooling. And temperatures are already hotter in America’s low-income neighborhoods like Gallegos’ Denver suburb of Globeville, where people live along stretches of asphalt and concrete that hold heat like a cast-iron skillet. Surface temperatures there can be roughly 8 degrees hotter than in Denver’s wealthier neighborhoods, where a sea of vegetation cools the area, according to the environmental advocacy group American Forests. This disparity plays out nationwide. Researchers at the University of San Diego analyzed 1,056 counties and in over 70%, the poorest areas and those with higher Black, Hispanic and Asian populations were significantly hotter. About one in 10 U.S. households have no air conditioning, a disparity compounded for marginalized groups, according to a study by the Brookings Institution. Less than 4% of Detroit’s white households don’t have air conditioning; it’s 15% for Black households. At noon on Friday, Katrice Sullivan sat on the porch of her rented house on Detroit’s westside. It was hot and muggy, but even steamier inside the house. Even if she had air conditioning, Sullivan said she’d choose her moments to run it to keep her electricity bill down. Riverside Cemetery is seen in front of an oil refinery in Commerce City, Colo., on Tuesday, July 25, 2023. Residents in the area say fumes from the refinery and the lack of trees make their neighborhood hotter. As climate change fans hotter and longer heat waves, breaking record temperatures across the U.S. and leaving dozens dead, the poorest Americans suffer the hottest days with the fewest defenses. Air conditioning, once a luxury, is now a matter of survival. (AP Photo/Thomas Peipert)
The 37-year-old factory worker pours water on her head, freezes towels to put around her neck, and sits in her car with the air conditioner on. “Some people here spend every dollar for food, so air conditioning is something they can’t afford,” she said. Shannon Lewis, 38, lived in her Detroit home for nearly 20 years without air conditioning. Lewis’s bedroom was the only place with a window unit, so she’d squeeze her teenager, 8-year-old and 3-year-old-twins into her queen-size bed to sleep, eat meals and watch television. “So it was like cool in one room and a heat stroke in another,” Lewis said. For the first time, Lewis now has air conditioning through a local non-profit, she said. “We don’t have to sleep or eat in the same room, we are able to come out, sit at the dining room table, eat like a family.” After at least 54 died during a 2021 heat wave, mostly elderly people without air conditioning, in the Portland area, Oregon passed a law prohibiting landlords from placing blanket bans on air conditioning units. By and large, however, states don’t have laws requiring landlords to provide cooling. In the federal Inflation Reduction Act, billions were set aside for tax credits and rebates to help families install energy-efficient cooling systems, but some of those are yet to be available. For people like Gallegos, who doesn’t pay taxes, the available credits are worthless. The law also offers rebates, the kind of state and federal point-of-sale discounts that Amanda Morian has looked into for her 640-square-foot home. Morian, who has a 13-week-old baby susceptible to hot weather, is desperate to keep her house in Denver’s Globeville suburb cool. She bought thermal curtains, ceiling fans and runs a window unit. At night she tries to do skin-to-skin touch to regulate the baby’s body temperature. When the back door opens in the afternoon, she said, the indoor temperature jumps a degree. “All of those are just to take the edge off, it’s not enough to actually make it cool. It’s enough to keep us from dying,” she said. Lucy Molina stands in her front yard in Commerce City, Colo., on Tuesday, July 25, 2023. Without central air conditioning, the single mother’s home in one of the Denver metro’s poorest areas has reached 107 degrees Fahrenheit (41.7 Celsius), she said. America’s poorest residents and people of color are far more likely to face grueling heat without air conditioning to keep their body temperatures down, according to a Boston University analysis of 115 U.S. cities. (AP Photo/Thomas Peipert) She got estimates from four different companies for installing a cooling system, but every project was between $20,000 and $25,000, she said. Even with subsidies she can’t afford it. “I’m finding that you have to afford the project in the first place and then it’s like having a bonus coupon to take $5,000 off of the sticker price,” she said. Lucy Molina, a single mom in Commerce City, one of Denver’s poorest areas, said her home has reached 107 degrees without air conditioning. Nearby, Molina’s two teenage children slurped popsicles to cool off, lingering in front of the open freezer. For Molina, who bustled around her kitchen on a recent day when temperatures reached 99 degrees outdoors, it’s hard to see any path to a cooling respite. “We’re just too poor,” she said.
平明寻白羽
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这个不到150美元的美的空调不能用么?13周的孩子难道不能用这个空调?
这空调只要能扛起40斤大米的,就可以搞定安装,不用花一分钱。当然,十指不沾泥的仙女们估计得找人安装,可那也不能算穷人了吧。

Wugelvshi 发表于 2023-08-03 02:44

原文里说了,十三周娃这家有个窗机,但是抵不住三位数高温。
Morian, who has a 13-week-old baby susceptible to hot weather, is desperate to keep her house in Denver’s Globeville suburb cool. She bought thermal curtains, ceiling fans and runs a window unit. At night she tries to do skin-to-skin touch to regulate the baby’s body temperature. When the back door opens in the afternoon, she said, the indoor temperature jumps a degree. “All of those are just to take the edge off, it’s not enough to actually make it cool. It’s enough to keep us from dying,” she said.
平明寻白羽
第一个68岁退休的,只靠1000刀 SS活的,估计没闲钱装空调,装了电费也不一定付得起。
这里这些应该是美国最贫困的人群。
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sweetgrey
其实我交的税钱,要是都用到给这些弱势群体改善生活,完全没有任何问题。可惜雁过拔毛,都不知道拔到哪里去了。三番建一个公厕要几百万,安一个普通家用空调要两万,这都是多少中间人在插管吸血啊。很多事情,真的还不如交给AI做。
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happy3001
什么鬼,现在里外换个全新的空调也就8k多,牌子次点的6千多也能换,而且大部分时候换零部件就够了,本人10+年房东了,早期4千多就可以安装个全新的空调跟管道。
电 发表于 2023-08-02 19:16

没那么便宜,最低得一万多。
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letgogogo

3whhttp 发表于 2023-08-02 19:10

通胀这么高,钱白存了
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rsbljsycx8bzbbx
这种新闻是让我们开心用的
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happy3001
版上都是不食人间烟火的,不说安空调的费用,很多穷人住apt有空调都舍不得开,不想多付电费。美国也有很大一批人为了生活苦苦挣扎。
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letgogogo
啥意思?我身边就真没有听到看到过家里不装中央空调的当地人家庭。。。
alloccupied 发表于 2023-08-02 19:40

看地区的
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wacxg
文章说美国最贫困人口安不起空调,踩到谁尾巴了?美国是天堂吗?没有穷人?
健康平安
现在这么贵了吗?记得好像几千块钱,空调加furnace
brookeyang 发表于 2023-08-02 19:14

是这个价钱,它指装duct, heater, air conditioner 全套系统。我家五🈷️刚全装了2⃣️个,四万多。
健康平安
2.5万刀是不是包全套新管道,新furnace,新a/c, 申请permit, 还有修墙补漆所有费用啊?
babyG 发表于 2023-08-02 19:35

差不多,现在是两万多的价格。
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phlin
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芝加哥那年熱死一堆人(1995?) 我去大賣場扛了一台類似的

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