最新研究表明 Long Covid可能不是Covid病毒引起的

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https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2023/7/4/long-covid-may-not-be-caused-by-covid-19-virus
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230704/Immune-inflammatory-reaction-to-COVID-19-may-not-be-the-underlying-cause-of-long-Covid.aspx#:~:text=Long%20Covid%2C%20which%20affects%20nearly,for%20months%20after%20COVID%2D19
长新冠不是病毒引起的?那是怎么回事?

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TitanicZz
那是啥,文章里有说吗?我没看懂
珠箔飘灯

是因为新冠病毒刺激了免疫系统,引起免疫系统长期反应
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TitanicZz
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那其实还是病毒导致的
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shiguang

是因为新冠病毒刺激了免疫系统,引起免疫系统长期反应
珠箔飘灯 发表于 2023-07-05 15:24

那就还是covid病毒引起的 直接 vs. 间接
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kim2022
就跟艾滋病差不多.病毒本身不会一下把人给搞死,但会摧毁免疫系统.十年后可能一个感冒就要命了.不知道得艾滋病的人,刚得的时候是什么症状,是不是就像感冒,流感一样.
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看这段话 Further analysis showed there was no rapid increase in immune cells targeting SARS-CoV-2, but there was an increase in T-cells targeting CMV -- a common virus that is usually harmless but can stay in the body for life once you’re infected with it. That suggests that the prolonged T-cell activation observed at three months in severe patients may not be driven by SARS-CoV-2, but instead may be "bystander driven" by dormant viruses that were reactivated.  
不是病毒引起是 dormant viruses that were reactivated , 疫苗算不算呢

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alloccupied
看这段话 Further analysis showed there was no rapid increase in immune cells targeting SARS-CoV-2, but there was an increase in T-cells targeting CMV -- a common virus that is usually harmless but can stay in the body for life once you’re infected with it. That suggests that the prolonged T-cell activation observed at three months in severe patients may not be driven by SARS-CoV-2, but instead may be "bystander driven" by dormant viruses that were reactivated.  
不是病毒引起是 dormant viruses that were reactivated , 疫苗算不算呢


springday 发表于 2023-07-05 17:12

疫苗即使有,也是灭活疫苗才有。
MRNA 疫苗本身不含病毒,只是仿病毒结构制成的,因此它不存在deactived viruses (被灭火的病毒)某一天重新reactivated 的问题。当然,它有可能会引起其他一些不良反应。
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疫苗即使有,也是灭活疫苗才有。
MRNA 疫苗本身不含病毒,只是仿病毒结构制成的,因此它不存在deactived viruses (被灭火的病毒)某一天重新reactivated 的问题。当然,它有可能会引起其他一些不良反应。
alloccupied 发表于 2023-07-05 17:23

另一篇文章说的是  This indicates that the prolonged T-cell activation observed at three months in severe patients may not be driven by SARS-CoV-2 but instead may be "bystander driven" i.e. driven by cytokines 这个cytokines又是什么? mRNA 算不算cytokines 呢 ?
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kim2022
看这段话 Further analysis showed there was no rapid increase in immune cells targeting SARS-CoV-2, but there was an increase in T-cells targeting CMV -- a common virus that is usually harmless but can stay in the body for life once you’re infected with it. That suggests that the prolonged T-cell activation observed at three months in severe patients may not be driven by SARS-CoV-2, but instead may be "bystander driven" by dormant viruses that were reactivated.  
不是病毒引起是 dormant viruses that were reactivated , 疫苗算不算呢


springday 发表于 2023-07-05 17:12

疫苗也是个大坑.整个pandemic都很诡异.
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https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2023/7/4/long-covid-may-not-be-caused-by-covid-19-virus
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230704/Immune-inflammatory-reaction-to-COVID-19-may-not-be-the-underlying-cause-of-long-Covid.aspx#:~:text=Long%20Covid%2C%20which%20affects%20nearly,for%20months%20after%20COVID%2D19
长新冠不是病毒引起的?那是怎么回事?


springday 发表于 2023-07-05 13:18

枪击死因不是子弹
是心跳骤停造成的全身器官衰竭。
锦鲤小仙女
另一篇文章说的是  This indicates that the prolonged T-cell activation observed at three months in severe patients may not be driven by SARS-CoV-2 but instead may be "bystander driven" i.e. driven by cytokines 这个cytokines又是什么? mRNA 算不算cytokines 呢 ?
springday 发表于 2023-07-05 17:25

cytokine是免疫系统激活以后免疫细胞分泌的蛋白,比如各种干扰素。可以起到抗病毒的作用。mrna是核酸。这是两类完全不同的分子。
微微一笑usa
欲盖弥彰,这不证明就是病毒引起的吗?
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dmw
有没有看过美国人David Martin前不久在欧洲议会关于新冠病毒起源研究的发言?内容是关于美国人从60年代开始就研究冠状病毒,包括辉瑞90年代研究冠状病毒疫苗失败以及后来发生的事情?
强烈建议大家看一看。



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疫苗即使有,也是灭活疫苗才有。
MRNA 疫苗本身不含病毒,只是仿病毒结构制成的,因此它不存在deactived viruses (被灭火的病毒)某一天重新reactivated 的问题。当然,它有可能会引起其他一些不良反应。
alloccupied 发表于 2023-07-05 17:23

Science 刚报道疫苗也有可能对极少数人引起长新冠症状,总之基因不好碰到这个病毒或者对疫苗又不好的反应即使几率不是特别的大,但绝对人数是相当可观的
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Science 刚报道疫苗也有可能对极少数人引起长新冠症状,总之基因不好碰到这个病毒或者对疫苗又不好的反应即使几率不是特别的大,但绝对人数是相当可观的
louaci 发表于 2023-07-05 21:24

对这个疫苗, 各种副作用总是一开始断然否定, 然后是极少数人有, 然后就越来越多压不住了
玉骨遥
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https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/06/lancet-study-on-covid-vaccine-autopsies-finds-74-were-caused-by-vaccine-journal-removes-study-within-24-hours/ 这里有篇柳叶刀文章, 但是24小时之内就被remove了