Thomas 与 Jackson 是最高法院仅有的两名黑人法官。Thomas 支持取消 AA， Jackson极力反对。这不是啥新奇的事，本来就是一位是保守派一位自由派。 但是今天 Thomas 说了一段话，简直是是美国当代黑人的最真实写照。当然这种话只有黑人能说，咱老中说的话一早给人打趴下了。以下是 Thomas 的原话，在这里贴一下留个纪念。 “As she sees things, we are all inexorably trapped in a fundamentally racist society, with the original sin of slavery and the historical subjugation of black Americans still determining our lives today,” wrote Thomas, 75, who in 1991 became the second Black person (after Thurgood Marshall) to be appointed to the high court. “The panacea, she counsels, is to unquestioningly accede to the view of elite experts and reallocate society’s riches by racial means as necessary to ‘level the playing field,’ all as judged by racial metrics. I strongly disagree.” “在Jackson 眼里，我们国家被困于一个根本性的种族主义社会，奴隶制的原罪和对黑人的历史压迫仍然决定着我们今天的生活，”75 岁的Thomas说。 他于 1991 年成为第二位黑人（Marshall 之后）被任命为高等法院法官。 ”Jackson 建议，解决问题的万能药是毫不思考地接受精英专家的指点，并通过必要的种族手段重新分配社会财富，以创造公平的竞争环境，所有这些都是根据种族指标来判断的。 我强烈不同意。” 各位可以试试把 Thomas 文中的 “种族”改为“阶级”，”黑人” 改为 “穷人”，是不是似曾相识？
Thomas 与 Jackson 是最高法院仅有的两名黑人法官。Thomas 支持取消 AA， Jackson极力反对。这不是啥新奇的事，本来就是一位是保守派一位自由派。 但是今天 Thomas 说了一段话，简直是是美国当代黑人的最真实写照。当然这种话只有黑人能说，咱老中说的话一早给人打趴下了。以下是 Thomas 的原话，在这里贴一下留个纪念。 “As she sees things, we are all inexorably trapped in a fundamentally racist society, with the original sin of slavery and the historical subjugation of black Americans still determining our lives today,” wrote Thomas, 75, who in 1991 became the second Black person (after Thurgood Marshall) to be appointed to the high court. “The panacea, she counsels, is to unquestioningly accede to the view of elite experts and reallocate society’s riches by racial means as necessary to ‘level the playing field,’ all as judged by racial metrics. I strongly disagree.” “在Jackson 眼里，我们国家被困于一个根本性的种族主义社会，奴隶制的原罪和对黑人的历史压迫仍然决定着我们今天的生活，”75 岁的Thomas说。 他于 1991 年成为第二位黑人（Marshall 之后）被任命为高等法院法官。 ”Jackson 建议，解决问题的万能药是毫不思考地接受精英专家的指点，并通过必要的种族手段重新分配社会财富，以创造公平的竞争环境，所有这些都是根据种族指标来判断的。 我强烈不同意。” 各位可以试试把 Thomas 文中的 “种族”改为“阶级”，”黑人” 改为 “穷人”，是不是似曾相识？
Thomas 与 Jackson 是最高法院仅有的两名黑人法官。Thomas 支持取消 AA， Jackson极力反对。这不是啥新奇的事，本来就是一位是保守派一位自由派。 但是今天 Thomas 说了一段话，简直是是美国当代黑人的最真实写照。当然这种话只有黑人能说，咱老中说的话一早给人打趴下了。以下是 Thomas 的原话，在这里贴一下留个纪念。 “As she sees things, we are all inexorably trapped in a fundamentally racist society, with the original sin of slavery and the historical subjugation of black Americans still determining our lives today,” wrote Thomas, 75, who in 1991 became the second Black person (after Thurgood Marshall) to be appointed to the high court. “The panacea, she counsels, is to unquestioningly accede to the view of elite experts and reallocate society’s riches by racial means as necessary to ‘level the playing field,’ all as judged by racial metrics. I strongly disagree.” “在Jackson 眼里，我们国家被困于一个根本性的种族主义社会，奴隶制的原罪和对黑人的历史压迫仍然决定着我们今天的生活，”75 岁的Thomas说。 他于 1991 年成为第二位黑人（Marshall 之后）被任命为高等法院法官。 ”Jackson 建议，解决问题的万能药是毫不思考地接受精英专家的指点，并通过必要的种族手段重新分配社会财富，以创造公平的竞争环境，所有这些都是根据种族指标来判断的。 我强烈不同意。” 各位可以试试把 Thomas 文中的 “种族”改为“阶级”，”黑人” 改为 “穷人”，是不是似曾相识？
Thomas 与 Jackson 是最高法院仅有的两名黑人法官。Thomas 支持取消 AA， Jackson极力反对。这不是啥新奇的事，本来就是一位是保守派一位自由派。 但是今天 Thomas 说了一段话，简直是是美国当代黑人的最真实写照。当然这种话只有黑人能说，咱老中说的话一早给人打趴下了。以下是 Thomas 的原话，在这里贴一下留个纪念。 “As she sees things, we are all inexorably trapped in a fundamentally racist society, with the original sin of slavery and the historical subjugation of black Americans still determining our lives today,” wrote Thomas, 75, who in 1991 became the second Black person (after Thurgood Marshall) to be appointed to the high court. “The panacea, she counsels, is to unquestioningly accede to the view of elite experts and reallocate society’s riches by racial means as necessary to ‘level the playing field,’ all as judged by racial metrics. I strongly disagree.” “在Jackson 眼里，我们国家被困于一个根本性的种族主义社会，奴隶制的原罪和对黑人的历史压迫仍然决定着我们今天的生活，”75 岁的Thomas说。 他于 1991 年成为第二位黑人（Marshall 之后）被任命为高等法院法官。 ”Jackson 建议，解决问题的万能药是毫不思考地接受精英专家的指点，并通过必要的种族手段重新分配社会财富，以创造公平的竞争环境，所有这些都是根据种族指标来判断的。 我强烈不同意。” 各位可以试试把 Thomas 文中的 “种族”改为“阶级”，”黑人” 改为 “穷人”，是不是似曾相识？
Thomas并不是精分，人家有原则的很。法官反对的是没有due process。国会通过立法确认了inter racial marriage 和same sex marriage，法官自然没话说。堕胎的立法通不过，Roe v wade 就被翻案了，因为宪法没有关于堕胎的条文。法官当然应该维护宪法本义。左派们曲解最高法判决，污蔑最高法院法官反对堕胎完全是为了选举搅浑水。
Thomas 与 Jackson 是最高法院仅有的两名黑人法官。Thomas 支持取消 AA， Jackson极力反对。这不是啥新奇的事，本来就是一位是保守派一位自由派。 但是今天 Thomas 说了一段话，简直是是美国当代黑人的最真实写照。当然这种话只有黑人能说，咱老中说的话一早给人打趴下了。以下是 Thomas 的原话，在这里贴一下留个纪念。 “As she sees things, we are all inexorably trapped in a fundamentally racist society, with the original sin of slavery and the historical subjugation of black Americans still determining our lives today,” wrote Thomas, 75, who in 1991 became the second Black person (after Thurgood Marshall) to be appointed to the high court. “The panacea, she counsels, is to unquestioningly accede to the view of elite experts and reallocate society’s riches by racial means as necessary to ‘level the playing field,’ all as judged by racial metrics. I strongly disagree.” “在Jackson 眼里，我们国家被困于一个根本性的种族主义社会，奴隶制的原罪和对黑人的历史压迫仍然决定着我们今天的生活，”75 岁的Thomas说。 他于 1991 年成为第二位黑人（Marshall 之后）被任命为高等法院法官。 ”Jackson 建议，解决问题的万能药是毫不思考地接受精英专家的指点，并通过必要的种族手段重新分配社会财富，以创造公平的竞争环境，所有这些都是根据种族指标来判断的。 我强烈不同意。” 各位可以试试把 Thomas 文中的 “种族”改为“阶级”，”黑人” 改为 “穷人”，是不是似曾相识？
Martin Luther King 说过 "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." 他以为是他的孩子被歧视，如果他知道他的孩子仅仅因为是黑人才被优待，那么他一定再也不会这么说了。
回复 1楼artdong的帖子 Onions from Google bard Vs. ChatGPT Google bard // In this quote, Clarence Thomas is responding to Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's opinion on affirmative action. Jackson argued that affirmative action is necessary to address the legacy of racism in the United States, and that it is a way to "level the playing field" for Black Americans. Thomas, on the other hand, believes that affirmative action is a form of "oppression" and that it reinforces racial stereotypes. He argues that we should not treat people differently based on their race, and that we should focus on individual merit instead. Thomas's views on race and affirmative action are complex and have evolved over time. In his early years, he was more supportive of affirmative action, but he has become more critical of it in recent years. He has argued that affirmative action is not necessary because racism is no longer a major problem in the United States, and that it actually harms Black Americans by making them seem less qualified than they really are. Thomas's views on race and affirmative action are controversial, but they are also important. They reflect a different perspective on race in America, and they challenge the idea that affirmative action is the only way to address the legacy of racism. Here are some additional thoughts on Thomas's quote: Thomas's use of the phrase "the original sin of slavery" is a reference to the idea that slavery is a fundamental flaw in American society that has had a lasting impact on Black Americans. Thomas's argument that affirmative action is a form of "oppression" is based on the idea that it treats people differently based on their race. He argues that this is unfair and that it reinforces racial stereotypes. Thomas's suggestion that we should focus on individual merit instead of race is a common argument against affirmative action. However, critics of this argument point out that individual merit is often determined by factors such as race and socioeconomic status. Overall, Thomas's quote is a powerful statement of his views on race and affirmative action. It is a reminder that there are different perspectives on these issues, and that it is important to consider all of them before forming an opinion. ChatGPT // The statement you provided appears to be a quote from an individual named Thomas, who is expressing his perspective on the issue of racism and societal inequality. It seems that Thomas believes that society is inherently racist due to the historical legacy of slavery and the subjugation of black Americans. He suggests that some people advocate for addressing this issue by deferring to the opinions of elite experts and redistributing resources based on racial criteria, with the goal of achieving equality. However, Thomas states that he strongly disagrees with this approach. It is important to note that this quote represents the viewpoint of a specific individual, and it may not reflect the opinions or beliefs of others. Discussions about racism and inequality are complex and multifaceted, with diverse perspectives and differing proposed solutions. People hold a wide range of opinions on how to address these issues and achieve a more equitable society. If you have any specific questions or would like to explore a particular aspect related to racism, societal inequality, or related topics, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to provide information and insights.
Thomas 和 RBG都反对Rv.W，立场却是不一样的。Thomas认为判例不能决定这么重要的议题。该议题应该由国会立法而不是高院来决定。RBG的反对是由于RvW的存在，短见的民主党政客没有在民主党在国会占优势的时候通过相应立法。 对于异族和同性婚姻，Thomas同样认为这些议题应该由国会立法而不是高院来决定。这是一个法理的原则性问题。这是对与错的考虑，而不是对我有没有好处的计算。
回复 1楼artdong的帖子 Onions from Google bard Vs. ChatGPT Google bard // In this quote, Clarence Thomas is responding to Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's opinion on affirmative action. Jackson argued that affirmative action is necessary to address the legacy of racism in the United States, and that it is a way to "level the playing field" for Black Americans. Thomas, on the other hand, believes that affirmative action is a form of "oppression" and that it reinforces racial stereotypes. He argues that we should not treat people differently based on their race, and that we should focus on individual merit instead. Thomas's views on race and affirmative action are complex and have evolved over time. In his early years, he was more supportive of affirmative action, but he has become more critical of it in recent years. He has argued that affirmative action is not necessary because racism is no longer a major problem in the United States, and that it actually harms Black Americans by making them seem less qualified than they really are. Thomas's views on race and affirmative action are controversial, but they are also important. They reflect a different perspective on race in America, and they challenge the idea that affirmative action is the only way to address the legacy of racism. Here are some additional thoughts on Thomas's quote: Thomas's use of the phrase "the original sin of slavery" is a reference to the idea that slavery is a fundamental flaw in American society that has had a lasting impact on Black Americans. Thomas's argument that affirmative action is a form of "oppression" is based on the idea that it treats people differently based on their race. He argues that this is unfair and that it reinforces racial stereotypes. Thomas's suggestion that we should focus on individual merit instead of race is a common argument against affirmative action. However, critics of this argument point out that individual merit is often determined by factors such as race and socioeconomic status. Overall, Thomas's quote is a powerful statement of his views on race and affirmative action. It is a reminder that there are different perspectives on these issues, and that it is important to consider all of them before forming an opinion. ChatGPT // The statement you provided appears to be a quote from an individual named Thomas, who is expressing his perspective on the issue of racism and societal inequality. It seems that Thomas believes that society is inherently racist due to the historical legacy of slavery and the subjugation of black Americans. He suggests that some people advocate for addressing this issue by deferring to the opinions of elite experts and redistributing resources based on racial criteria, with the goal of achieving equality. However, Thomas states that he strongly disagrees with this approach. It is important to note that this quote represents the viewpoint of a specific individual, and it may not reflect the opinions or beliefs of others. Discussions about racism and inequality are complex and multifaceted, with diverse perspectives and differing proposed solutions. People hold a wide range of opinions on how to address these issues and achieve a more equitable society. If you have any specific questions or would like to explore a particular aspect related to racism, societal inequality, or related topics, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to provide information and insights. SiACNTs 发表于 2023-06-30 13:12
Thomas 与 Jackson 是最高法院仅有的两名黑人法官。Thomas 支持取消 AA， Jackson极力反对。这不是啥新奇的事，本来就是一位是保守派一位自由派。
但是今天 Thomas 说了一段话，简直是是美国当代黑人的最真实写照。当然这种话只有黑人能说，咱老中说的话一早给人打趴下了。以下是 Thomas 的原话，在这里贴一下留个纪念。
“As she sees things, we are all inexorably trapped in a fundamentally racist society, with the original sin of slavery and the historical subjugation of black Americans still determining our lives today,” wrote Thomas, 75, who in 1991 became the second Black person (after Thurgood Marshall) to be appointed to the high court. “The panacea, she counsels, is to unquestioningly accede to the view of elite experts and reallocate society’s riches by racial means as necessary to ‘level the playing field,’ all as judged by racial metrics. I strongly disagree.”
“在Jackson 眼里，我们国家被困于一个根本性的种族主义社会，奴隶制的原罪和对黑人的历史压迫仍然决定着我们今天的生活，”75 岁的Thomas说。 他于 1991 年成为第二位黑人（Marshall 之后）被任命为高等法院法官。 ”Jackson 建议，解决问题的万能药是毫不思考地接受精英专家的指点，并通过必要的种族手段重新分配社会财富，以创造公平的竞争环境，所有这些都是根据种族指标来判断的。 我强烈不同意。”
各位可以试试把 Thomas 文中的 “种族”改为“阶级”，”黑人” 改为 “穷人”，是不是似曾相识？
大部分人还是公正的，公平的，未必一味自私利已。
为什么没人提 nba 队员没几个亚裔？ 因为我们知道这比较荒唐。
支持A A明显脑子欠费。高院基本按党派站队，死表1⃣️天也对两次而已。
就是因为黑皮白心，他才敢说啊。
现在也就只有这种人才能阻止美国黑人变成特权阶层。
正常辩论，不能算吵。 黑人和穷人是不同概念。如果大多数黑人（任何其他种族一样）都是穷人，而且还有因果关系（学习考核不好不能进入白领阶层），那这个社会不会是个稳定社会 他们辩论的是怎么解决这个问题
虽然但是，他至少意见里面提到亚裔。 而左派三个人，没有一个提到亚裔。好像亚裔在这个case 里不存在一样。
人品差也可以说真话啊，呵呵。
这个托马斯和你一样脑子进水， 如果没有AA他当不上大法官。 他是拿自己左手打自己右脸。
Jackson 自己就是AA到最高法院的，拜登一开始就说要一个黑人大法官的。
原本人家话说得挺好的. 被你一夹带私货就变味了.
你知道你的这个评论黑黑白白的已经是racist了吗？？？
还用nba？大法官里都两个黑人了，有过亚裔大法官吗？是因为亚裔当不了大法官么？
那只能说拜登搬石头砸自己的脚，这说明更不能看race来决定job，如果按能力水平说不定不是这个结果。再说为什么没有亚裔当大法官，靠，选法官总统指定什么皮，哪里有亚裔的分，以后工作学校都制定必须什么race再考虑，亚裔更没饭吃，这不是歧视是什么
譬如 美国的立国之父们，把 Indian 土著 消灭殆尽，然后让其 自生自灭，美其名曰 “公平竞争” ～～～～～～～～～～～～～lol
你是未曾相识的小白兔吧。
还好吧。倒是左派的几个法官有点极端。右派的还是有原则的。
入职AA对亚裔很友好吗 我觉得会是黑人吧
有个屁原则， 枪支的解释， 堕胎权力的解释都愚昧的很。
黑人和墨西哥裔对自己的族裔认知都有很扭曲的地方。和大航海和殖民有关。比如说几分之几的黑人血统。以前还有白人告诉我他有印第安人血统，我看着就是个白人。
我就从来没有对自己的族裔认知混乱过，就是个过来打工的🤣 但我还是觉得在美国这个种族丛林太难了，因为他们会觉得亚裔就应该如何如何，实际上亚裔也分很多群体。abc对自己的认知是minority，我就完全不能认同，我觉得我是汉族是绝对的主体民族，我只不过是来这里打工，不会认为自己是minority。
你以为他是瞧得上亚裔？亚裔只是他的一把枪而已。本来应该是白人让渡阶级特权，现在变成了亚裔和其它少数族裔的自相残杀，这是进一步加剧族群对立。
这恰恰说明他说的有道理，因为他经历过。
就好比一个人自己吃了野生蘑菇，然后奉劝别人不要吃，这非常可信。
”黑人” = “穷人” ? 对黑人歧视到骨子里了
这就是某些人牛X的地方，自己严重歧视黑人，不自知还说口口声声反对歧视。 他们要AA是因为黑人等同于贫穷＋暴力＋单亲，这不是歧视是什么？
都是白人在用亚裔的手去抢其他族裔的蛋糕而已. 亚裔当锅就好了
是，这点让人看着都有点滑稽。 我估计黑人内部看这俩人跟咱们外族的看法也很不一样。
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俺觉得把肤色列入录取标准，才是对有色人种最大的歧视。
其实就是说，你贫穷+暴力+单亲，别无优点，肤色才是你唯一的资源。
Onions from Google bard Vs. ChatGPT
Google bard // In this quote, Clarence Thomas is responding to Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson's opinion on affirmative action. Jackson argued that affirmative action is necessary to address the legacy of racism in the United States, and that it is a way to "level the playing field" for Black Americans. Thomas, on the other hand, believes that affirmative action is a form of "oppression" and that it reinforces racial stereotypes. He argues that we should not treat people differently based on their race, and that we should focus on individual merit instead. Thomas's views on race and affirmative action are complex and have evolved over time. In his early years, he was more supportive of affirmative action, but he has become more critical of it in recent years. He has argued that affirmative action is not necessary because racism is no longer a major problem in the United States, and that it actually harms Black Americans by making them seem less qualified than they really are. Thomas's views on race and affirmative action are controversial, but they are also important. They reflect a different perspective on race in America, and they challenge the idea that affirmative action is the only way to address the legacy of racism. Here are some additional thoughts on Thomas's quote: Thomas's use of the phrase "the original sin of slavery" is a reference to the idea that slavery is a fundamental flaw in American society that has had a lasting impact on Black Americans. Thomas's argument that affirmative action is a form of "oppression" is based on the idea that it treats people differently based on their race. He argues that this is unfair and that it reinforces racial stereotypes. Thomas's suggestion that we should focus on individual merit instead of race is a common argument against affirmative action. However, critics of this argument point out that individual merit is often determined by factors such as race and socioeconomic status. Overall, Thomas's quote is a powerful statement of his views on race and affirmative action. It is a reminder that there are different perspectives on these issues, and that it is important to consider all of them before forming an opinion.
ChatGPT // The statement you provided appears to be a quote from an individual named Thomas, who is expressing his perspective on the issue of racism and societal inequality. It seems that Thomas believes that society is inherently racist due to the historical legacy of slavery and the subjugation of black Americans. He suggests that some people advocate for addressing this issue by deferring to the opinions of elite experts and redistributing resources based on racial criteria, with the goal of achieving equality. However, Thomas states that he strongly disagrees with this approach. It is important to note that this quote represents the viewpoint of a specific individual, and it may not reflect the opinions or beliefs of others. Discussions about racism and inequality are complex and multifaceted, with diverse perspectives and differing proposed solutions. People hold a wide range of opinions on how to address these issues and achieve a more equitable society. If you have any specific questions or would like to explore a particular aspect related to racism, societal inequality, or related topics, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to provide information and insights.
Thomas 和 RBG都反对Rv.W，立场却是不一样的。Thomas认为判例不能决定这么重要的议题。该议题应该由国会立法而不是高院来决定。RBG的反对是由于RvW的存在，短见的民主党政客没有在民主党在国会占优势的时候通过相应立法。
对于异族和同性婚姻，Thomas同样认为这些议题应该由国会立法而不是高院来决定。这是一个法理的原则性问题。这是对与错的考虑，而不是对我有没有好处的计算。
nba是需要比赛 而入大学是福利， 如果一样交税，怎么决定谁可以享受福利，考试分高为什么可以抢占别人纳的税。
美国是普及教育，只要你肯读书，各种大学 tailored 给学生。
考高分的去牛校，考低分的去州大，考零分的去 City college。
谁占了谁的位子了？？？
有他反对interracial marriage的原文吗？
你还是帖个他的原话吧，不能因为人家先说了“当年大学毕业了找工作没人理”， 后说了“aa上大学没用”，就得出人家是这样推论aa没用的。断章取义、移花接木这些手法见得太多了。
禁个屁，加州是实际实行AA最彻底的州。UC表面不提AA，diversity是搞的最欢的
Google bard 完胜啊
你脑子out 了？ 不是只有体育比赛叫比赛，okay? 钻死角尖了
替 AA辩护的都是脑子进水，无一例外，也不可能有例外。
入大学是福利？？ 除非AA里再加一条保证智障人士的比例，否则这智商靠AA也没法上大学啊
excuse me? 加州还不比其他的差？都被这些aa上去的法官市长们嚯嚯成啥样了！
看看这个
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8efX3hc/
美国高校可从来没光看分数一刀切招生，看看历史美国公立的来源吧，谁告诉你州大是给成绩差的？考0分的去city college？美国压根没有federal funded的大学，无非私校和state funded，后者就是给不能afford私校的人提供高等教育机会，给自己的州培养劳动力。谁跟你说去州大的成绩不好了？
不光看分数很好，省的招一些除了分数啥也没有还自以为是的人。