Transcript 来了 （就在‘share’ button 右边，点 ... ， 选 “show transcript"） Transcript (前 30 分钟） Meet Dr. Scharffenberg 0:49 That's Dr. John Scharffenberg, who turns 100 in a few months. My friend Michelle Cen charmed him into letting us visit him in his home, 0:57 and I thought how wonderful. She can interview him in his beautiful backyard and I can run the cameras 1:02 and enjoy the show. But Michelle being Michelle, she dragged me into the interview and persuaded him to let us inspect his kitchen and home office. 1:10 John received his M.D. from Loma Linda University in 1948 and a master's in public health from Harvard in 1956. 1:18 He is an Adventist and a vegetarian from birth, not uncommon among Adventists. 1:23 Here he is a half century ago. Let's take another cancer: lymph gland cancer. 1:30 Dr. Alan Cunningham went around the world, checked 16 countries, and he noticed that as the meat intake went 1:38 up, particularly with beef, the risk of lymph gland cancer increased. So from the anatomy standpoint alone, it looks like our creator 1:47 made us to be a kind of an animal that does not eat other animals. 1:53 I read two of his books while editing this episode: Six Extra Years and Problems with Meat. 1:58 Michelle Cen is a recent Stanford grad in science, technology and society, and she knows things about nutrition because she works at True 2:05 North Health Center, whose founder has gone viral on YouTube for its impressive results from medically supervised water fasting. 2:12 Part one of this episode is on the simple lifestyle changes almost all of us can make and understand that have a profound impact on our health. 2:19 Part two is me grilling John about the amazing breakthroughs in our understanding of nutrition over the last 70 years. 2:26 And part three is discovering John's extraordinary life in public health by rummaging through his office. 2:32 So to get started, I'm just going to ask you some yes or no questions. Okay. Just to introduce yourself. 2:38 So do you smoke? I don't smoke. Never smoked. Do you drink any alcohol? 2:44 No, never have. Do you need any assistance to walk? Yes. Now. 2:49 Some time. Not to walk, but to go up steps or down steps. I sometime need a little bit. 2:56 Okay. If there's a railing, I don't have any problem. Okay. Do you wear glasses? No. 3:01 And that's because I had cataracts and had cataracts removed. And they put in 2020 lenses. 3:09 So I have 2020 vision and threw my glasses away. Wow. And can you drive? 3:15 Yes, I drive. Do you drive at night? Yes. And how old are you Dr. John Scharffenberg? 3:21 I am 99. But of course, in China, I'm in my 100th year. 3:27 So they call that 100. Right. Because you were born in Shanghai? I was born in Shanghai. 3:32 But they list the year you’re in as 100. But the US people say 3:40 you have to finish the hundred year before they call you a hundred. So you're already in there? Yeah. 3:46 Wow. So in one sentence, what should people eat? Well, I'll give you a university course in one sentence. What should people eat? 3:52 Eat at the proper time. That means no snacking. Eat as a proper time. 3:59 A variety — not all. at one meal. You get too fat that way. But over a ten day period to make sure you get all the nutrients you should have. 4:07 Eat a variety of different food. So eat a variety of natural 4:14 non processed foods in quantities for ideal weight. That's all you need to know. 4:20 Everything else explains why the sentence is true. And do you yourself eat any animal products like dairy or? 4:27 I do. I'm a lacto ovo vegetarian. I'm not a vegan and I don't like the term vegan. 4:34 In Great Britain, when they used that term, there was no religious connotation. 4:41 But when the man came here to the US and started in 1960, he had religious connotation. 4:50 He had a monthly magazine on health for the vegans. He called it Ahimsa. 4:57 That means you don't use animals for any business 5:03 to make money on. You don't wear silk shirts because you're using this silkworm 5:09 just to get business from it. And you don't kill any insects. 5:15 And one of their religious ideas was eat supper before dark. 5:21 Because after dark, you're more likely to kill insects. So I don't say I'm a a vegan. 5:30 I don't like the term. I say I'm a...I'd rather have the term total vegetarian. 5:36 Total vegetarian. I like that. And some people nowadays say that plants are trying to kill us. 5:42 What do you think about that? Who's trying to kill us? plants. Some people say plants are trying to kill us. I never heard that before. 5:48 Okay! No, no, no, I haven't heard that. Some people are also saying that high LDL cholesterol is also fine for us. 5:58 It might even be good. What do you think about that? Well, you have to know about this whole story of cholesterol. 6:07 Cholesterol wars... Cholesterol wars, yeah. It's a big, big story. But here's something we've just learned The 7 keys to a long life 6:14 since about 2010. A big advance in health. 6:19 You remember when Robert Koch discovered 6:24 the bacteria and Pasteur showed how it could make germs and you could get sick from it? 6:32 With his flask studies? That was a real breakthrough in health. 6:37 And then penicillin. About 1927, 28, penicillin 6:44 was another real breakthrough. Now, in 2010, we've had another great breakthrough that nobody's heard about. 6:54 But it's exciting. Here's what it is. World Health Organization agrees to it. 7:00 American Heart Association, the European Cardiology Society, they all agree to this, that 7:10 if you avoid seven risk factors, lifestyle factors, you can reduce the risk of a heart attack or stroke — cardiovascular disease, 80%. 7:21 You can reduce the risk of getting diabetes, 88%. 7:26 Now, what are these seven risk factors? Tobacco, alcohol, inactivity 7:32 (no exercise), overweight. And then they said too much meat and sugar. 7:40 They added two others. They were high blood pressure and high blood cholesterol. 7:47 Okay. If you just do the first five, you don't have to worry about the other two 7:53 because those first five help to keep your blood pressure down and your cholesterol down. Okay. 7:59 So this is kind of exciting without any medicine, we can lower the risk of heart attack and stroke 80%. 8:10 Now, that to me, is really exciting. You don't have to have all these pills. 8:16 Now cardiovascular disease is killing more people than the next five leading 8:24 causes of death combined. And here we don't need any medicine for it. 8:31 Just lifestyle. Exercise, no tobacco, alcohol, this kind of thing. Keep your weight down. It. 8:38 So it's kind of exciting. Well, doctors haven't really accepted this yet. 8:46 The authorities have. Leaders have, scientific people have. But the doctors have been for years Statins 8:54 giving statin pills to lower their cholesterol. 8:59 They had the idea that if we would lower everybody's cholesterol, we have no more heart attacks. 9:07 It's not right. It was an error. They've been giving people statins if their cholesterol level went up. 9:15 Okay. Now, here's the exciting thing. Most of the studies were done on men. 9:23 Well, they say women are just like men. Now, I'm a doctor. I know there's a difference. 9:30 But they're treating the women the same way. When they did three studies just on women alone. 9:38 They found out two of the three studies showed those that took the pills died sooner. 9:44 Then another problem. What about men? The older men do better with higher blood cholesterol levels. 9:52 Higher than what we think are good. Okay, so the authorities in the field 10:00 said that if you get to be 75 years of age, you should no longer 10:07 be put on statins. Okay. But they do better with higher level. They live longer. Okay. 10:13 So that doesn't fit our our idea that LDL is all that bad. There's something wrong with our theory. Huh. Yeah. 10:20 So we were told in 2015 in the World Cardiology Journal, 10:26 we were told, here's what we should tell our patients today. Tell your patients that we thought 10:33 if we lowered everybody's cholesterol, we no longer have any heart disease. That was an error. 10:40 But tell them what will really benefit them is lifestyle. Lifestyle. 10:46 No tobacco, no alcohol. Keeping your weight down. Exercise, you know, all that kind of thing. 10:53 But even now, the authorities who say you should be on statins 11:00 say you should still try lifestyle before you put the patient on statins. And most people aren't doing that. 11:08 They just start off with the pills. Right. So I'm not for the pill business. 11:14 I don't believe women should be put on statins, number one. And I'm sure that the men over 75 11:22 shouldn't be put on statins no matter what their cholesterol level is. And I'm sure everybody should be starting 11:30 a lifestyle program before they even try the medicines. And why do you think there is so much controversy around nutrition? Controversy in nutrition 11:36 And has it always been this way? Well, here's the problem. The doctors in their training have never had a good course in nutrition. 11:45 Mm. That's the problem. Right. You go in to see a doctor, you say, What should I eat for breakfast tomorrow? 11:52 Now he doesn't want to act stupid, so he has to give you an answer 11:58 and he doesn't really know. So he thinks to himself, What did my wife give me for breakfast 12:03 this morning? He doesn't know what to say scientifically. 12:10 Which is too bad. They need a good course And then another problem that we have medically. 12:18 We've been using cholesterol as an indicator of who needs statins? As if that would tell us, you know, and it doesn't. 12:28 It's a very poor representative of your heart status or your atherosclerosis status. 12:36 Very poor. Another problem. We're having lots of groups of doctors working together, 12:43 and the leader of the group gets the group together and says, Now look, you have to see a new patient every 10 minutes. 12:51 Otherwise, we aren't going to make any money on this. 10 minutes is not long enough to teach anybody anything. 13:00 So these are kind of problems we have medically see. And then we had some scandals, bad scandals. 13:08 I don't know if you've heard of the Cochrane Database. Can you explain more about it? Cochrane is the name of a group of top specialists 13:18 in different subjects all around the world, and they're the gold standard. 13:23 When that group says this is what all these studies mean, 13:29 that's what we should listen to. But recently they voted the man who is most against 13:36 the pharmaceutical companies having any influence with this group. They voted him off their group. 13:44 That's a scandal. When did that happen? It just happened a few years ago, not very long ago. Wow. 13:51 So that's a scandal. Are they going to allow the pharmaceutical company have influence? 13:56 Then here's another thing they did. They said how low should your LDL 14:02 cholesterol be? Now, I was one of the first ones that said it should be 120. 14:10 I had done thousands of them, so I knew what it should be before they had any standards. 14:16 Then when the standards came out, the British Heart Association said it should be 115 LDL cholesterol. 14:24 US said 130. Mine was 120. So I hit it pretty close. 14:30 And that was kind of exciting where it should be. But a committee got together with about 15 people 14:39 to decide how low LDL cholesterol should really be. 14:44 Eight of the 15 people got some financial payment 14:50 from the company that makes the pill toward the cholesterol. 14:55 So they voted. It should be down to 100. LDL. I see. It's crazy. 15:01 It doesn't have to be down that low at all. But they did it because they were friendly with the pharmaceutical company. 15:09 And here they had voted the top guy out who was opposed to that. And now all these people were getting 15:18 remuneration from the company by lecturing for them and so on. So is that right? Money. 15:25 Follow the money. You were professor of nutrition for over 62 years at Loma Linda University. 15:31 So throughout that time, has it always been this way that people keep disagreeing about nutrition? 15:38 Yes, they have. But the doctors usually don't have the training in it, 15:44 the average doctor, so they don't know about it. Just a few people at the top know what it should be. 15:50 Like the Heart Association was pretty good. Do you think the problem is getting worse today? Do you think that people are disagreeing more than ever about what is healthy to eat? 15:58 No, but they they've changed their views on some things. They've changed their views. 16:04 And that made quite a difference in knowledge. What they knew, worked and didn't work. 16:11 But I don't think we have to worry about everybody's cholesterol level. I see. 16:16 Have you heard of people talking about the carnivore diet? Sure. Meat diet? 16:21 All meat. And I don't think that's right either. For example, 16:28 the fat in the blood of the animal, even the Bible says you shouldn't eat it. The Jews were told not to eat it. Fat in blood. 16:35 Now, we've found out that the fat in the blood 16:40 has a heme iron in it, and that increases the risk of colon cancer, 16:49 type two diabetes and increases the risk of heart attack. 16:54 And so, for example, in the big nurses study they did, they checked a certain number 17:01 of them to see how much iron they were storing in their sternum. 17:07 They took a needle stuck in the sternum and checked to see. Those who had the most heme iron, 17:14 which was the meat eaters, they had more heme iron 17:20 there than the people who didn't eat the meat. Had more diabetes. 17:26 So there are doctors who prescribe meat If you're anemic. They shouldn't. 17:34 The iron in the meat is more quickly, absorbed. So it's good from that standpoint, but it's increasing 17:42 colon cancer, heart attack and diabetes type two. Wow. Yeah. 17:48 So what do you think is the best way to change people's minds about nutrition? 17:53 I think we need to get doctors educated in nutrition. We need a good 17:58 course in nutrition. In medical school, they don't have it. And that's one of the greatest things for prevention. 18:06 You know, we just don't have that in the medical school. They should have a good course. They don't. 18:11 How often do you yourself eat? I eat twice a day only. Intermittent fasting 18:16 And that's different than most people. Now, there's something new about that. 18:21 There's a dietician down in Alabama. Do you remember her name? You know, I don't remember. 18:27 I could probably look it up and find out. But anyway, she started in this country with the idea. 18:34 Now, we as Seventh Day Adventists used to teach that was a good thing to do 18:40 because Ellen White told us who we believed was a prophet. Told us that. Years ago. 18:46 So I brought up my children on two meals a day 18:51 and when did I start it? When the children got old enough to see if I was eating supper or not, 18:58 when they knew that I was on two meals a day too. So I’ve been on that for years. Yeah. 19:04 And what time do you eat your two meals? Well, I eat breakfast about 6:30 in the morning. I wake up about four, I eat breakfast about 6:30, 19:13 and then lunch come 12:30 or 1:00. Mm. So I can eat with other people at that time. 19:20 And then I don't eat anymore. And when do you... I drink water. When do you go to bed? Early. Like... 19:26 8 to 9. 8 to 9. So. So between your lunch and you go to bed, that's quite a few hours. 19:34 Do you get hungry? No. Not at all? You do when you change over to start with for two or three weeks. Mhm. 19:40 But we say when you get hungry drink a glass of water. Ah, okay. 19:46 So you don't...no snacks. No snacks. So I can't wait for us to go check out your fridge later 19:52 so you can see more of what exactly you eat. Yeah. You say you like to eat a lot of fruit. More than vegetables, right? Yes, I do.. 19:59 Oh, okay. I like grains such as rice. And you said that before you were going out to the Black Bear Diner and buying food. 20:08 But now you get help making your meals? Yes. Ah, that’s nice. This lady's sister, she didn't like to see me going out, eating all the time. 20:17 So she brings a lunch every day. Mm. What are your favorite foods? Mangoes. 20:23 Oh, yummy. Yeah. Manilla mango. Two months of the year in Manilla you couldn’t get mangoes, the temperature wasn't right. 20:31 But down in Cebu, the temperature is just right. They have mangoes every month of the year. 20:36 Wow. Down in where again? Cebu, Island of Cebu. Oh, okay. 20:42 Do you have any favorite vegetables? I'm trying to think what I like most. I kind of like snow peas. Mhm. 20:49 But more fruits. Tomatoes. Tomatoes? Yeah, I like tomatoes. 20:55 I argue with myself whether I like rice better or potatoes. Mm. There's a contest! For a long time, I thought it was rice, but then I changed. 21:02 I think it's potatoes. Really? Okay. But there's some problems with potatoes. 21:07 What's the problem? They have a high glycemic index. So white rice, people say, has pretty high glycemic index. 21:15 Potatoes even higher? Potatoes are like ice cream. They’re like ice cream? Oh, Wow. Yeah. 21:21 And so I have a friend who's a dietitian, a lady. And she no longer eats potatoes at all because of that. 21:29 I didn't know that. It has a very high glycemic index, but it depends on what else you eat with the meal. 21:36 Right. And how you prepare it. So every time they do a study on it, it comes out a different number. Mhm. 21:43 So I, I don't go for that idea scientifically yet. I see. 21:49 So when you're putting together your plate to eat, are you, are you thinking in terms of the kind of nutrients you're adding 21:56 or are you just eating foods you're familiar with. You know when I was bringing up my children, 22:02 I one week out of the year, every year practically, we write down everything we eat, 22:09 how much, and then we take out this agricultural handbook for 22:14 for the nutrient content and calculate what we were eating. 22:19 And so my kids are learning nutrition this way. The thing I was usually lowest in was vitamin 22:26 A, That means the greens. See, I never ate greens in the Orient. 22:33 Uh, fresh greens. Right. Because the Chinese always use human manure. 22:39 And that's the way you got amoeba. Mhm. And you could die from that. So I didn't eat that. 22:44 I came to this country and I found out that people who eat a salad 22:50 every day had a great drop in their chance of dying. Right. Mhm. 22:57 If they have a, a food they have vitamin A and C and it both, 23:03 they can reduce their death rate about three quarters. Wow. And so I began to eat more salad greens. 23:10 But the food I like the best I was well I like lentils pretty well. Mhm. 23:18 Yeah. I like uh, Chinese cooking, wok cooking. Mhm. 23:24 I can eat vegetables that way. Very nicely I, I like it. 23:29 And now when you get your blood work done, are there any deficiencies, abnormalities? 23:34 No, except for my age. B12 and vitamin D, 23:42 Vitamin D to be useful is in young people because it has to hit those cholesterol in the skin. 23:52 It changes the changes it. It has to go to the liver, change it again, goes to the kidney, 23:58 changes it again, and it makes a hormone which we call vitamin D. 24:03 Okay. And all these things in old people are working at only half speed. 24:10 So old people aren't getting it. They have to take a supplement. I see. So you supplement vitamin D and vitamin B12? Yes. 24:17 Every day. That's. Yeah, that's all. Gotcha. Why do you think that the Chinese and Seventh Day Adventists Adventist vegetarian life expectancy 24:24 live so long in America? I think it's a matter primarily of vegetarianism. 24:30 We checked in California, the vegetarian Adventist group. 24:35 With the general population. How long they live, for example, for the men in the general population, 24:42 in 19 and a half percent of them live to be 85 or older. But for Seventh Day Adventist men — 24:49 vegetarian men — 48.6%. That's a big difference. 24:54 And now the women live longer than the men. So in the general population, 24:59 uh, 39.3% of the women live to be 85 or older. 25:07 But for the Adventist women, 60.1%. It's quite a difference. 25:13 It is. Yeah, quite a difference. Yeah. And vegetarian. 25:18 What makes the difference. Of course, Adventists are unusual group to study 25:24 because they don't smoke or drink alcohol. Whereas all other studies, they have to compare this group 25:30 to that group with the same number of smokers, same amount of smoke, same amount of alcohol, confounding factors, 25:37 messes up, their study admits, don't have those confounding factors. So that's pretty good. 25:44 Now, in the Adventist health study for the men, they had only 56% of the death rate 25:51 of the people of the general population, 44% lower. Vegetarian. 25:57 No, that's for the ones who are not vegetarian. Everybody, all Adventists. But if you take just the vegetarian ones, 26:05 they have only 39% of the expected death rate of the general population. 26:10 If you take the total vegetarians, you don't use milk or egg, 26:15 they had only 16% of the death rate of the general population. 26:20 So smoking and tobacco knocks it down. 44%. If you don't eat meat, knocks it down further. 26:30 If you don't use milk or eggs, knocks it down more. Wow. What are the major advances in health that you've seen the last hundred years? 26:38 You know, the biggest thing that's happened in this country is that we have purified our water. 26:45 So you turn on any faucet, you can probably drink it. I remember I went with some friends to Mexico City 26:54 for a meeting on nutrition, big world meeting on nutrition. Two out of three of the speakers could not give their lecture 27:04 because they had diarrhea. Because of the food they were eating. 27:09 Yikes. And when we came home, the Food and Drug Administration sent us letters. 27:15 Where did we eat? What did we eat? Well, what did I eat there? 27:20 Mangoes. Things I could peel. Yeah! Bananas, plantains, you know. And rice. And things like that, though. 27:27 Cooked. So we never had any problem. But I was surprised so many people got sick. 27:35 Wow. So it sounds like you eat a lot of carbs, like a lot of mangoes, lots of rice... Yes. Yeah. 27:41 So I think water improvement was the biggest thing we did compared to any other country. Mm. 27:47 And then another thing I think next is immunizations. So we got rid of yellow fever, polio, smallpox, 27:59 and even the measles and the German measles, all these things. The number of cases, diphtheria, whooping cough, a number of cases went way down. 28:09 So people stop dying. I've got all kinds of data on that. So I think that was a big deal. 28:15 What about in your area of nutrition? What have been the changes or major advancements the past ten years? 28:21 Well, I used to say before 1950 was the Dark Ages. 28:26 But we did have some things that we did well. Pellagra. 28:32 Have you heard of Pellagra? Yep. The three Ds: diarrhea, 28:37 dementia, dermatitis, death. During the 1940s early 40s, 28:44 during World War Two time, we had as many as 100 to 300,000 people sick at one time. Hmm. 28:51 And since dementia is one of the problems, a lot of them were in jail because they did crazy things. 28:57 So they got put in jail. And what made it bad was the Chicago Board of Health said it's an infectious disease. 29:06 It wasn't. It's a nutrition disease. They proved it was not infectious. And so we got rid of Pellagra in the forties. 29:14 We had de-germinated the corn, you know, we did things like this. So they began to add niacin to the food and then there was no problem. 29:21 So that's one big thing we did before 1950. But before 1950, everybody thought, you were crazy 29:30 if you were a vegetarian. You couldn't bring up a child on a vegetarian diet. Right. See? 29:36 But from 1950 on, it was really excellent things that happened. 29:42 Mm. There was Frank Budreau, he was a public health man. And he said "if we use the information 29:51 we had on nutrition, it would be as big a advance as 29:59 Pasteur finding the germ theory. Wow. And I think that's right. 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（接上）： 30:09 who told them that the best diet people could have is a vegetarian. It's the optimum diet. 30:14 So I think we should get more people on that. As far as we know, only 6 to 15% of 30:20 Americans are vegetarian. But now that we know with a proper lifestyle, you can decrease 30:29 heart attacks and strokes 80%. And that's one of the main things. Be vegetarian. 30:37 The problem was, uh, people like meat. Right. They rebelled against this. So they changed it, said eat more fruits 30:44 and vegetables. But they really meant less meat. 30:49 So they added another recommendation. Eat no more than 5 to 6% of the calories as saturated fat. 30:57 That means animal fat, dairy fat, milk fat, butter fat, cheese. That meant 31:05 lard, bacon and beef. That's what we had to get rid of. 31:11 So we don't use the bad terms vegetarian or the bad term meat. 31:16 We just say no more than 5 to 6% of the calories Saturated fat. You calculate it out, 31:21 it means vegetarian diet. Okay. Are there any other advancements 31:28 you think we should make in nutrition moving forward? Yes, I think there are some that we should do. 31:34 The next advance has to be in getting people to do what even they know they should do. 31:42 We don't know how to do that. You know? And 31:48 seeing a patient, a new one every 10 minutes is not long enough to even try. 31:53 But here a lady is overweight, comes in to see the doctor. He writes out a prescription. 31:59 You will now exercise one hour every day. She comes back one month later, a little bit heavier. 32:05 Did you follow the prescription? Did you exercise? No. 32:12 And after he has 100 patients go through his office like that, he stops even trying to educate them. 32:17 Yeah, that's our problem. Yeah, but the immunization had done a good job. You know, even without immunization, 32:24 I was in charge of tuberculosis control. I did so well in California that they made me a consultant to CDC. 32:33 And it was kind of exciting. Because we just about have it eliminated. 32:40 We still have it. Another ten years, we'll probably have TB eliminated. 32:45 That's phenomenal. It is. Wow. And I had a hand in that myself. Amazing. 32:50 Thank you. And thank you for your service, too, because you served for two years in the Army, right? Four years. Four years. 32:57 Two years as a medical student. Oh, okay, I see. They they put me through medicine. Oh, wow. Thank you for all you've done. 33:04 What do you think has gone worse in the field of nutrition in the past 100 years? You see the cardiac rate has gone down because of smoking going down. 33:14 Mm hmm. Now, only 11% of Americans — adults — are smoking. 33:20 And California, where they're a little more smart people, [laughter] It's only 9%. 33:26 So we've done well here in this country. And the state we've done well. 33:32 But there are things that are keeping the figures up. One is diabetes. 33:39 Two is hypertension. Three is overweight, particularly in children. 33:46 Mm hmm. Now, diabetes. It's jumped 33:53 a lot in just a couple of years, about 75%, the rate jumped high. 33:59 Well, why? It jumped by 75%. Yeah. In what timeframe? In just a few years. 34:05 It just suddenly went up. Hmm. And so why. Why did that happen? The people who who are put on 34:12 statins — medicines to lower their cholesterol... Women particularly. 34:20 Have 71% higher chance of getting diabetes if they're on statins. Hmm. 34:26 So that's one problem. Mm hmm. We've been getting too fat, particularly children. 34:31 That's another cause of diabetes. And our blood pressure. We have people with hypertension, and you usually have hypertension 34:39 maybe seven years before you're diagnosed with diabetes. So all these things 34:44 work together, and all of them have to do with a vegetarian diet. And what about exercise? Too much exercise? 34:50 How important is that to longevity? Okay. Exercise is extremely important. 34:55 Exercise helps to keep your weight down. Exercise helps you with 35:01 hypertension is the best preventive for hypertension there is. Exercise helps to keep you from diabetes. 35:07 In other words, if you exercise and you keep your weight down 35:13 and you're on a vegetarian diet, you won't get diabetes! So this is one of our problems. 35:18 It's the lifestyle. And see, the doctors have been telling people to take these statin pills. 35:26 They're going by the cholesterol level with the idea that if you lower your cholesterol you will not have heart attacks anymore. 35:32 It's not true. It's not true. And we made a mistake. We should tell them that lifestyle is important. 35:40 But the problem is we haven't persuaded people to live like they even know they should live. 35:47 Yes. That's our problem. And that's why I'm studying to become a therapist, I want to figure out how do we...people know what to do, but... A lot of them know what to do. 35:55 They don't do it. It's hard, yeah. It's hard. For exercise, how much do you think it can compensate for being overweight? 36:03 A woman who's fat... I had a lady helping me with my PowerPoint lectures. 36:09 She was...did it for a living for advertising purposes. 36:14 And she was really big. And I said to her, I said, you know, I've got to talk to you about your weight. 36:23 I said, do you want the good news first or the bad news? She said, Give me the bad news first. 36:29 I you should know, for every disease we know overweight is going to increase your risk of dying. 36:36 But the good news: if you are obese (and she was real big)... 36:41 If you are obese, but you exercise every day, you will live longer than the person who is normal weight who doesn't exercise. 36:51 Mhm. Oh, she said good, good, 'cause I exercise. Well what exercise do you do? 36:57 I go horseback riding. So you're just like sitting on it. I know the horse exercises, 37:03 but I'm not so sure how much the person does. Yeah. Anyway, a man who smokes has hypertension, 37:11 has high blood cholesterol. Mm. But he exercise every day, 37:17 will live longer than the man who doesn't have any of those things. Who doesn't exercise. And what counts as enough exercise? 37:25 Yeah. I hate to tell you this, but too much exercise increases your death rate too. 37:33 Because hardly anybody does that. But they have these people are running marathons and things. That's not right. 37:39 It's too much. So they're trying to find out how much is okay. 37:44 We're beginning to get an idea of how much is not very far between 37:49 a good amount and bad amount. But I hate to tell people this because most people aren't doing anything 37:58 in the way of exercise. What are you doing now for exercise? Now, I should add one more thing to the exercise bit. Mm. 38:06 They've done studies with Alzheimer's patients and probably exercise in MID 38:13 AGE is the most important time. Not kids, not old people like me, 38:20 but exercise mid age. 40 to 70 years of age. You exercise in that age group 38:27 might reduce your risk of of Alzheimer's. So I think that's the important time. 38:34 When I was 51, I moved out from my job at Loma Linda, started exercising by 38:40 living out in the country, growing food, cutting down the trees and so on. And 38:47 I outlived my brothers now 14 and 17 years now. 38:53 And right now, what do you do for exercise? Walking is about the only thing. Walking. And sometimes 39:00 do you work in the garden? I haven't been doing much here. See most of the garden is all in place. 39:05 This was all in place. Oh, it's gorgeous. Mostly for flowers. Ii's not for food. Does the walking... 39:12 How much do you walk every day? I haven't been walking enough. But you should walk, I think, 39:20 at least two miles a day. In Hawaii they did studies. Those who walk two or more miles a day compared to the walk, 39:28 those who walk one or less, and those who walk two Miles are more a day, compared to the other, had only 50% 39:36 the death rate. Cut their chance of dying in half. Yes, I think me maybe you 39:41 and the sisters could do a walk in a little more. Yeah. I need to do some more walking. 39:47 Yeah. Is it just hard to find the energy to, or the time? No, no. Neither 39:52 is a problem with me, I think it's the association I need that we walk it with somebody doing something with somebody else. 40:00 Oh. Talking or something. Maybe she should get you a dog or something. Yeah. 40:06 Well, I want to know. What do you think, looking back on your life was the hardest time in your life? 40:12 I don't know that I had any hard time. Yeah. No, I didn't have... 40:18 I lived kind of a protective life. Now, one thing that we should be working on 40:24 is the ACEs. The Adverse Children Experiences. 40:29 If a husband is beating up his wife and the kids see that...that's an ACE. 40:35 If the kid is not getting enough to eat, that's an ACE. If...the most important thing is 40:43 the mothers aren't spending enough time to help the kids emotionally paying attention to them, they're just ignoring them, 40:51 that's an ACE. If somebody is mentally off in the house, that's an ACE. 40:59 If somebody is going to jail in the family, that's an ACE. There's about ten of those. 41:04 And if you have about six of those, you may cut your life short by 20 years. 41:11 So I think we need to do something to try to help our kids have the right mentors to help them religiously 41:21 or take them out in the country for exercise or things like that. So you said that there have been no very difficult times in your life. 41:29 And I think, you know, a lot of people, they find it hard to look back at life 41:35 and think that it was all so positive. So how do you how do you keep on that characteristic smile and positivity? 41:40 Well, let me tell you one thing that happened to me. Me and my wife. We had 41:46 moved from Loma Linda up in the country. And I was waiting for my tax 41:51 returns, people to get it finished. And I had to wait an hour or so. 41:57 So I went to see a person that helped, and they weren't there. So I drove in the back yard and I saw a big tall man walk by inside the house. 42:06 So I knocked on the door. He came to the door and the family was taking 42:12 little windows and taking them out, making big windows. And the man said, You know, 42:19 there was a burglar in here and broke the window back bedroom. Oh, I said, I'd like to see it, 42:26 because I always knew the people. I said where are the people? Oh they're at work. So I went back to look at that broken 42:33 window of the bedroom and my wife dropped to the floor. Oh. Wonder what happened? 42:40 I was slipping over to see what happened. Then I felt the hammer he had on my head. 42:46 He hit her with a hammer. He was wanting to kill us, to take our Cadillac. 42:53 We just bought a secondhand Cadillac. Never had a Cadillac. In my life before and 43:00 since I was moving... It was a glancing blow. He demanded my keys. I threw 'em at him. 43:06 Hoping he'd have to turn around to get them. But he caught 'em. I was going to tackle him if he turned around. 43:12 But he ran out, got in our car and drove off. Now, that new car had a number on it so you could tell where it was. 43:22 And I ran out on the street. And I didn't realize how I looked. 43:27 My face were all bloody. I didn't know it. Hands were all bloody from this cut on the head. And 43:36 Finally a car stopped. I said, Can you get the police? That man just stole my car going around the corner now. 43:43 And he may have killed my wife in the house. And so he called. The police were within five minutes of us. Right close. 43:51 So we went in the house and picked my wife up from the floor, put her on a chair. 43:56 She said, What happened? Did we have an earthquake? Oh... That's a California person. Yeah, California. 44:03 She didn't know what had happened, see? Anyway, they had about 20 cars lined up, 44:10 that they were going up the hill, the mountains, and he wouldn't stop. 44:15 He wasn't going fast but he wouldn't stop. And they had to ram him. At the front. Ruined my car. 44:21 Wow. It was loaded with everything I owned, practically. And... 44:26 We got the car back and I got all my stuff back. But had to give up the car because 44:33 it was totaled. So. But how do you stay so optimistic despite all these things? 44:39 You asked what happened bad in my life. I would say that was the worst thing. Right. Yeah. 44:45 But I was in wars too. I was over in Korea when the Korean War started. 44:50 You were in Korea? Yeah. When it...wow. I had my house burned two times. 44:59 All your belongings burned to the ground? Not quite, but I had a home right in front of 45:06 Syngman Rhee's house — the Korean president. I was out of the house that evening 45:12 and somebody got the kids, ran out with one of our helpers. So that was a problem. 45:17 I went to the other house and I said to my wife, This is the first time I felt warm in Korea. 45:24 I went into the bathroom. I saw flames in the wall to electric socket. 45:32 Called the Marine who was in the duplex. He came with a big axe. He had it down before the fire department came. 45:42 Had it out. So I've has some bad experiences, but I wouldn't say 45:48 I've had any long experiences that were bad for me. Right. So I mean, even now you smile and you laugh all the time. Optimism 45:55 What what is it? What keeps you so positive? You know, I think 46:01 what's positive is, is I wake up every morning 46:07 and I say, now what's going to happen today? I know the Lord's going to bring somebody to me that I can help. 46:17 I have a friend of mine, his grandson was alcoholic. He was despondent all the time. 46:24 I didn't speak against it. I just told him, look, when I get up in the morning, I'm so excited. 46:31 I want to see who the Lord is going to bring to me that I can help. If I could get his mind off himself helping others. 46:40 So that's what I was trying to do, help other people. But it's interesting, how many things have happened 46:48 where somebody is brought to my attention that I can do something for. Well, that's a beautiful perspective. 46:53 Thank you for sharing that. When do you have any current goals you have like long term projects you're working toward? 47:01 Well, I'm trying to get my message out about the lifestyle. 47:08 Which really basically is a vegetarian diet. See. That's what I'm trying to get out. 47:16 Because so reasonable, it's sensible. It's not hard to do. 47:22 In this country, you know, but to get people to want to do it. I'm trying to show them the reasons why it should be done. 47:30 I got six good reasons I give them, on why it should be done. And, you know, we often times I think you have to be a doctor or a Ph.D. 47:40 or something to be able to tell people this stuff. You don't. I've taken kids and trained them in five weeks how to do health education. 47:51 And it works. It works! For example, give them five reasons why you shouldn't smoke. 47:57 Get 'em to go out and tell everybody. You don't have to have an M.D. to do that. And you can take nutrition and break it down into little bits 48:05 and tell them, Here's the five things you need to know about this. 48:10 And it works. So I've tried that and I'm really excited about getting organized 48:17 a program to work with young people and get young people to do the education. Like in your local area? 48:24 Yeah, yeah. I have it all outlined how to do it, but I don't have the energy now at this age to do it. 48:33 I need to get somebody who'll grab my idea and activate it. 48:39 I want to. I want to get kids doing it. Oh, you should share with us your plans. 48:44 So that maybe somebody who has the energy and time to do it will do it. Yeah, I'm I'm excited because I have all kinds of subjects 48:51 that they could lecture on. Was there anything we didn't cover that you want to make sure you shared? 48:56 My dad. Was head of the temperance department, we called it. Tobacco and alcohol 49:03 of our Adventist church in Washington D.C. area. Tacoma Park servicing area. 49:10 He made a film with Dr. Ochsner, chest surgeon. 49:16 Taking out of a man's lungs because he's smoking. He had cancer of the lungs. 49:22 And it's called one in 20,000. At that time, we had about 20,000 dying every year, 49:28 smoking a lot more since that time. And this one was the one 49:34 that was going to be saved because the lung removed. He took that film 49:40 and showed it to British Parliament, Great Britain, London. 49:45 It had a big effect on them over there. Yeah. It was... And he did 49:51 did that in New York City in a big hotel, 800 people there. Some people would faint. 49:57 Those are the days TV didn't have much blood. Yeah. And this was blood, people were fainting. 50:04 Oh, my gosh. But my dad was 50:09 really helped to move the stop smoking program. I think technology has been improving a lot. 50:18 For example, when my dad had cataract surgery, he had to stay flat in bed for three days. 50:27 There was pain doing it. I had mine out 50:32 in 15 minutes. You know, I had it out. I could get up, exercise. 50:38 I could do everything right away. Tremendous change. For example, dentists. 50:44 We always used to be scared to go to the dentist because it's painful. Yeah. 50:50 I have a dentist here now putting in implants. No pain. Good. 50:55 No pain at all! Tremendous advance! Good! Yeah. I think of surgery. For example, 51:03 we may have more breast cancer than we used to have, but our surgery is better. 51:11 We are saving patients from dying because of surgery. 51:17 So there's a lot of things. This technology has been improving tremendously in the medical field. 51:23 But as far as what we should be doing now, I think is important. Yeah. The ACEs I mentioned, 51:31 the children's programs, obesity. We got to do something about the obesity. Exercise. 51:39 We got to get people exercising. And you have to eat less calories. 51:44 Yeah. How do we do that? This two meal a day thing really works. 51:50 We're having more alcohol problems. Much more alcohol problems. 51:56 And that increases women's breast cancer. Midlife 52:01 drinking is a bad thing. We need to do something about that. We should do it like we did with the smoking: 52:09 tax it! Back to the alcohol Tax it like they did with cigarettes. 52:16 Besides the taxes to make laws you can only drink here, there. You know, that's what they did with the smoking. 52:24 We've got to get people moving towards a vegetarian diet. Not enough people are doing that... 52:32 That means we got to educate of why they should be vegetarian. In 2015, the US government said 52:38 it's an optimum diet. But it not many people move because they made that statement. 52:46 We got to do something with that. 52:51 Now it's interesting about blood pressure. What are we going to do about hypertension? 52:58 I began to get high blood pressure, but not till I was in my eighties. And it's very low. 53:04 Do you take medication for it? I do. The lowest pill they have. But it's kind of interesting. 53:10 If I had it when I was 50, it had time to cause a lot of trouble, but I didn't get it till I was 80. 53:20 So it made it quite a difference. But hypertension, if you get enough 53:26 linoleic acid in your diet, polyunsaturated fatty acid, most plant oils, 53:33 you won't get hypertension. If you get enough fiber in your diet, you won't get hypertension. 53:40 If you get only 12 grams a day of fiber compared to 53:47 24 grams, you have about 53:52 57% higher risk of hypertension. If you get enough potassium, 53:59 with rats, they won't get high blood pressure. They won't have any problem. 54:06 And with humans they've done studies that they don't get hypertension. If they get enough potassium. We're supposed to have 54:14 twice as much potassium as we have sodium. We have a just turned around. We're getting twice as much sodium as we are potassium. 54:23 And potassium is from the fruits and vegetables. Yeah. Meat gives us 25% of our salt. 54:30 Sodium is in meat. And a lot of our breakfast cereals, they add salt. 54:37 I use some breakfast cereals and first thing I do, I try to make sure there's not more 54:45 than five grams of sugar per serving. Yeah. It's got to be under that for me to use it. 54:52 Our fancy cameraman, Chris, do you have any questions? I think you've done a really good job of asking the questions. Chris interview 54:58 How can I get in to see Gary Fraser and interview him? He's a good friend of mine. He wrote a book, you know, in 2003. 55:05 I read it. Put out by the Oxford Press. In fact, I've ordered two of your books. How many books have you written? 55:10 I have written many, I tell you.... Well, I've ordered two of your books. I thought I heard you say on Chef AJ live that you wrote a book all about fat. 55:20 Yeah, I can. I can give you one. Oh, I want one. I want it autographed. 55:26 It's just a little pamphlets. Oh, yeah. It's my lectures that I had with slides. 55:31 I made each page of the book. One of those I have lots of things like that. 55:37 Now. Something I'd like you to see. I'm trying to make it attractive. Oh, that's pretty. 55:43 How do you like that? Yeah, that's a very pretty, pretty graphic. 55:48 You can't really copy that very well. Oh, one other thing I want to show you. You've got to see this. Can you hold it up so the camera can see? Junk food addiction 55:55 Yeah, it looks like we got some slides. I have this all on the computer. How is diet related to your being alcoholic or to opium? 56:04 At this point, Michelle and I got treated to a fascinating talk linking junk food to acquiring a propensity towards alcohol and drug abuse. 56:12 The initial research was done at Loma Linda in the sixties, when Dr. Register was head of the School of Nutrition, where Dr. 56:18 Scharffenberg worked. Dr. Register was a giant in the field and one of the discovers of B12 56:24 in the late forties. The initial studies were on rats whose diet was changed to the standard 56:29 American diet of donuts, hot dogs and all the rest. Poor rats. If he gave them a good diet, 56:36 here the height of the line represents the amount of alcohol they drink. Every rat knows not to drink alcohol. 56:42 Yeah. They drink only water. When he put them on the junk food diet, they started right off drinking some alcohol. 56:50 And seventh week they took off and became real alcoholic rats. We have found out biochemically how that works. 56:57 The talk got pretty technical, but the bottom line is when rats ate junk food, their bodies produced opium. 57:03 To be sure that we're right in our theory, we injected these alcoholic rats who are making morphine. 57:10 We inject them with morphine. They drink water. Really? 57:15 Well, that's amazing. See? They're getting already what their body craves. If you give 57:21 a human being who is obese, you go give him an opiate blocker. 57:28 I have one here that they tried. It affects the dopamine center in the brain. 57:34 They stop eating the foods that they craved. So we can now divide up obese people 57:41 who have a physiological craving because of the opium. Oh wow. From those who who have another kind of obesity. 57:50 So are you very familiar with the new obesity drugs that are coming out? 57:56 Ozempic. One of them is this opiate blocker. Cost a thousand dollars. It's expensive. 58:03 I've heard it's very successful. Yes. But people who take it say, wow, now I know what a 58:09 normal person feels like because right now I'm not hungry all day long. But there's another group who are obese, but not from that reason. 58:17 So we can separate the kind of obesity now because of this. Oh, that's exciting. 58:22 And do they know what percent of people are obese because of. No, we don't know. 58:28 They're just now getting into the research on this thing. But you see, Doctor Register found out with animals 58:35 that's true. Yeah. Wow. Way back. Wow. 1960s. Yeah. Amazing. 58:41 But now we're finding out it's true. And they're doing it with overweight people. 58:46 So something about their diet that's making them produce opium. 58:52 We got to find out what that is. Yes. So, doctor Scharffenberg, sometimes I think most of what we know about nutrition, We knew in the 70s 58:59 we knew in the seventies. We knew a long time ago, yes. A long time ago. And now fad diets keep coming 59:05 and the food companies are marketing and they're messing with our brains. Did you ever meet Ancel Keys? What did you think of Ancel Keys? 59:12 I had invited him out of my facility. You did? Yeah. How is he? What was he like? He's a doctor in physiology? 59:20 Yeah. University of Minnesota? Yes. Yeah. And he did the Seven Countries Study, you know. Quite respected, right? 59:27 Yes, there were problems with it, but he was a well-respected scientist. Yeah. Yeah. And that that was a nice study. 59:35 The Seven Country Study. Yeah, I knew him well. The head of The Framingham Study was a friend of mine, too. 59:43 Yeah, that was an epic study. I heard you say once that he used to think HDL was significant in heart disease. 59:49 That was the guy, a friend of mine. Yeah. Bill Castelli. Now we don't think it is. Yeah. Dr. Castelli. 59:56 Yeah. And then he said, You know what we found out in the modern day that HDL doesn't matter. That's right.
1:00:02 They did a study of 600,000 people or something, but wow, Canada, the Chinese, Canadians did the study and it didn't seem like HDL had 1:00:11 anything to do with heart disease. Yeah. Now all the talk is non HDL cholesterol. That's right. 1:00:17 So. And do you ever talk about ApoB or is it too complicated for consumers? 1:00:22 The latest thing is that can we reduce heart disease 1:00:29 80%; strokes, 80%; diabetes, 88% with avoiding these seven risk factors. 1:00:37 Yeah. Lifestyle rather than medicine. Yeah. That is brand new concept. 1:00:43 Yeah, that's a that's a brand new concept. I've heard you say that on other interviews. 1:00:48 Ellen White was telling us this and I was a medical student that bothered me. 1:00:53 Yeah. You know, how could that be? Yeah. And here we now know it scientifically. 1:00:59 I know. Isn't it amazing? It is amazing. So I've heard these Adventist professors say, Raising kids vegetarian 1:01:04 we used to be thought of as crackpots. Yeah, that's right. In fact, I heard you tell Michelle you couldn't raise a child on that. 1:01:13 That's right. Now it's it's respected. It's respected. Yeah. Very respected. Yeah. 1:01:19 Am I right in thinking that the Adventists in America, which is not the longest lived population in the world, 1:01:26 are the longest lived people in the world now? They're the longest lived Blue Zone. They're the only ones that have been scientifically studied. 1:01:33 Yeah. There's the National Geographic man. I know him. Yeah, he, he did study...Dan Buettner. 1:01:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just wants to know, how do you feel about this diet? It's psychologically deep. 1:01:46 He's not thinking about the science of it. I gave my whole list of scientific things for longevity. He wasn't interested in that. 1:01:55 But. So. But the Adventists have had hundreds of studies! Yeah. On them, see. Well this is why I want to interview 1:02:02 Dr. Fraser, because the Adventist 2 study is amazing! It is! It's one of the most amazing studies I've ever seen. 1:02:08 But he doesn't like the way I say it. Oh, really? How do you say it? 1:02:14 He wants to look at it this way. He's not trying to brag about Adventists. He's trying to downplay that. 1:02:20 He's trying to say what in Adventist lifestyle is the thing that we can get everybody to accept? 1:02:27 Yeah. Fair enough. And see, that's what he wants to do. And I met him on the steps once at Loma Linda. 1:02:34 I said, look, Adventists are doing so much better. But he didn't like that. He doesn't want us bragging about that. 1:02:42 Yeah. He just wants to say, Hey, these are things we learned from this study that should help everybody in the world. 1:02:48 Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, That's what he's trying to do. Yeah, I see. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. 1:02:54 He eats some fish. Right? You know that book he put out? Yeah. He needed to get time off from Loma Linda to do that. 1:03:01 I arranged him to get Oh! finance. Oh! So we have you to thank!. 1:03:06 That's awesome. It was awesome. 2003. He went to Oxford. Yeah. 1:03:11 To get ideas on new ways to calculate things. Statistically. Yeah. 1:03:17 That's where he got the idea... ...what percent of the population lives to be 85 or longer. 1:03:22 That's another way of looking at it, See? He worked... He was on sabbatical at Oxford, right? Yeah, I helped... 1:03:28 And he worked with the Epic Oxford team? The other vegetarian study? I don't know. 1:03:34 He must have known all the... He knew all the statisticians. Yeah. But he went there to learn that. 1:03:39 Yeah. How can you look at things statistically. It in a different way to make it 1:03:46 interesting to people. Well, he has said that their outcomes were very different than Adventist outcomes. 1:03:52 And he said when we looked at the data it's because of what they were eating in the UK. They were eating a lot of processed food. 1:03:58 Well, the Epic Oxford Study was no good study. Oh really? Some people commented to me on that. 1:04:04 Yeah. And I know what they're talking about. Yeah. Because the study group 1:04:10 didn't have the near the death rate that the whole population have. 1:04:16 That's what it was off. It wasn't adequate control group. I see. Interesting. 1:04:22 That's fascinating. So there's still, it's still going on so... This is fascinating. Have worn you out? Are you done? No. 1:04:30 I want you to see the food. Yeah. Oh, we want to see the food too. So it's not my refrigerator. 1:04:36 I've got a little section. We'll see your section. But I only want to talk to you for three more hours. 1:04:42 Chef AJ is going to throw you a 100 year birthday party? I don't know. I think she is. 1:04:49 I don't know. I have a very exciting guest today. His name is Dr. John Scharffenberg. I was surprised I got so many hits. 1:04:56 Oh, yeah, You're a celebrity. You're a YouTube star! 478,000 or something like that. 1:05:02 Biggest episode she ever did. It is, yeah. And that's not the only one where you were a star. 1:05:08 I did with Doug Batchelor. Yeah. Pastor at the Adventist church. And I'm delighted today to have here in the Amazing Fact Studios Dr. 1:05:17 John Scharffenberg! I had 500,000 the first two weeks. Amazing. Did you ever think you would touch this many people? 1:05:23 No, I didn't. Steve Jobs. You know him? Yeah. Yeah, I know who he is. He was my old boss. 1:05:28 Is that right? Yeah. We'd go out to lunch. Well, actually, I would go to lunch because everybody else was eating ham and cheese sandwiches on white bread. 1:05:36 And I would go to this little burrito place and they had brown rice and beans and guacamole and all that kind of stuff. 1:05:44 And you just got your whole wheat tortilla. And then they would put in whatever filling you wanted. 1:05:49 And Steve started looking at that. He was vegetarian. He started looking at that and saying, That looks pretty good. Are you Adventist? 1:05:56 And I said, No, I didn't even know it. an Adventist was at the time and he said, "Well, can you buy me some of those burritos?" 1:06:02 So when I would go out to lunch, I'd get one for Steve and one for me, Three, two, one. Wooo! 1:06:10 Yeah, I see what it does. That worked good enough. Happy Memorial Day! What the doctor eats 1:06:16 All righty. Let's see what the doctor eats. Oh, okay. Here's bananas. Bananas, okay! 1:06:23 I have raisins. Raisins, mmmm. And prunes. 1:06:29 I haven't had prunes for a year. I got to give some prunes. I love prunes. We used to think that's just what old people ate. 1:06:35 Yeah, I know. But I guess you qualify now. And so do I. Look at the nuts. 1:06:41 Look at all those nuts. Brazil nuts. You know, these have selenium. Yeah. 1:06:46 Can't you eat too many of 'em? And get too much selenium? No. Oh, really? No. But they come from Brazil. 1:06:52 There's places where they have selenium in the soil and where they don't. Yeah. It usually comes from those places where they have selenium. 1:06:59 Yeah. It's supposed to decrease prostate cancer. Oh I see. And pecans. 1:07:05 How's your prostate cancer doing? Heh. I don't have any problem. That's wonderful. 1:07:11 And almonds. Yeah. And cashews. Cashews. So I have trouble with cashews. 1:07:19 Can you explain why? I don't know. I can't stop eating them. [laughter] 1:07:24 Walnuts is the best a handful, at lowering blood cholesterol. Because of the omega-3's? 1:07:31 Well, yeah, that's right. And how often do you eat nuts? 1:07:36 I eat nuts almost every meal. This is one of my favorites. 1:07:42 Tofu! Tofu! And which part of this fridge is your stuff? Just this little. 1:07:47 This little drawer? What that next to it? Cooked cereal, I think. Cooked cereal, let's... 1:07:53 No, it's cherries. Cherries, yum! I see you do like fruit. 1:07:59 She gives me cereal. Oh, she always has it cooked here and applesauce. And then down in here, I want to show you something. 1:08:06 Where's the mangoes? I don't have any. We get you some mangoes next time. 1:08:13 Raspberries. There's my cherries. You saw them here. And the strawberries. 1:08:18 Those are my three bags.. Mmm. Wow, and you eat a lot of bananas? 1:08:24 I like bananas. Don't they have a high glycemic index? You don't worry about that? 1:08:29 Potatoes you know. Yeah. Have a high glycemic index. But I don't really believe in that yet. 1:08:36 In Canada the British people study that, but every time they do it, they get a different number. 1:08:42 Depends on what else is in the meal and how it's prepared. 1:08:48 So we aren't really sure where we are on that. But I have a friend. 1:08:53 She doesn't eat potatoes anymore. Yeah, but, you eat a couple of cups of oats 1:08:59 in the morning sometimes when you're not having waffles. I like the waffles. The best. 1:09:05 They're the best. My wife developed a waffle recipe. t's going all around the world. 1:09:12 I know, because we use it. You use it? Yeah. With bananas and applesauce and dried flour and oats. 1:09:18 It's a good food. Yeah. It's not just good for breakfast, but it's good for a snack later on. 1:09:24 Our grandkids love it. Eating it like bread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our grandkids love them. Yeah. Can we see your books? Books? 1:09:31 Oh, come. Come in here. It's not books It's little old things. Your study room? John's extraordinary life 1:09:37 Let me give you the kinds of things I'm doing. "Is Nutrition Related to Hypertension?" 1:09:44 Let's see, a little pamphlet. What else do I want you to get 1:09:49 This one. Yeah. I didn't give references for it but 1:09:54 "On Exercise" 1:10:00 And let's see what's in Some good stuff there. 1:10:06 Mmmm. Yeah. It talks of the benefits of exercise. It says sitting time increases death rate 1:10:14 and the speed of walking is also important. You can have that one if you want. 1:10:19 We want it. "Why I Am a Vegetarian" Well, is a thick pamphlet. Wow. 1:10:26 You know, I love how you. You made it so easy for people to have these printouts and they can read this. Now. One of the best things I did at School of Public Health, 1:10:36 I discussed milk. Milk. Can you show us that? All their arguments against it, all arguments for it, 1:10:43 and then I divided them to weight. Good arguments and bad arguments. Oh, yeah? 1:10:49 Gary. Fraser says people who drink milk have lower colorectal cancer than vegans do. 1:10:57 Is he right? That's right. Because of the calcium. But all the female organs are less, lower. 1:11:04 If they are vegans. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't really have enough numbers. 1:11:12 What do you mean by female organs are lower? 1:11:17 Breast cancer. Oh, Uterine cancer. Ovary cancer. If they drink milk? 1:11:24 If they don't drink. If they don't have less. See, it's only the colorectal. 1:11:30 That's how I see it. I see. But we don't have larger numbers, to be sure. 1:11:36 Yeah. He, I said why Why don't we study coffee more? 1:11:44 He says we don't have enough Adventists drinking coffee. Ohly 8%. Oh really? 1:11:50 And I said Gary I was to one of the strictest 1:11:55 Arizona Adventist churches and I checked them out and they said 40% were drinking coffee. Oh, really? 1:12:03 Oh, interesting. I said the difference is I don't have them Puts their name on the paper. 1:12:09 Oh, that's funny. [laughter] 1:12:15 So you got to have an anonymous survey. You make them put their name on the paper? I said, that's the difference! [laughter] 1:12:21 That's so great. So great. Well, this is quite a library you've got here. Well, it's not much, but.. Oh my gosh. 1:12:28 But I got all the... Foods. "Foods in their Natural State." That 1:12:33 That sounds like Ellen White. Take Yeah, take one of those. I'll take it. Can we take one of each? 1:12:39 "Ellen White and Vegetarianism" "Did she practice what she preached?" 1:12:45 But let me give you the one on fat. It's in here. I think. These are thick! 1:12:51 Is this your wife here? No, that's my mother. Oh, your mother! 1:12:56 She was a very nice person. We just found that picture a while back. Well, and she raised you vegetarian. There's my son. 1:13:02 Oh. And first time I realized that I looked quite a bit like him, Yes, you do. 1:13:07 I was surprised. I about to tell you that, but I thought you would know. Are these some kind of old letters over here? 1:13:17 Like this? That's a letter I wrote years ago. 1991. 1:13:23 I'll tell you why. I raised money for a group in Romania. 1:13:28 They do have a lifestyle center. They have programs. Three weeks or something like that. See it's 91? Yeah. 1:13:35 But I raised the money for them to start that thing. I've helped many groups like that get started. 1:13:42 That's wonderful. "Period of great scientific advancement on diet and preventive cardiology. 1:13:48 1948 and beyond." Oh, that's awesome. And you said right now your current project 1:13:54 is working on the plan for, for the young people to take up. I don't know who I have get to do that kind of thing. See, 1:14:03 I think you don't have to have a Ph.D. or M.D. to educate people. I had a five week course in theSchool of Public Health. 1:14:11 Mm hmm. I was afraid they might object to it, but they let me show that you don't know. 1:14:17 Didn't need a School of Public Health. You could have training in five weeks 1:14:22 Not a year, and they went out from there. 16 banded together, went out 1:14:30 and started doing program. Very successful. A wealthy man in Philadelphia saw what they were doing He said I'll pay all expenses. 1:14:38 You come up here. And they did. Very exciting what they did. These are the weight control programs. I showed them how to draw blood. 1:14:47 And this first girl, usually we have them stick a needle, you know 1:14:52 But Iet her practice on me. And she got it in the first shot. She was so excited, she jumped up. And said "Wheee!" 1:15:00 And here the thing was bobbing up and down my arm. [laughter] 1:15:05 You're a brave man. I wouldn't have done it. I was the first one to take students overseas. 1:15:12 We went to the little islands. They were 8 to 12 to 10 inches too short compared to the well-nourished 1:15:19 kids in the wealthy district in Manila 1:15:25 They weren't getting enough to eat. So I had evening programs 1:15:30 For them. There's no electricity. A village. They had a gas cylinder. 1:15:35 They had worms. We did worm studies. And the stools, especially the rotten coconut shell 1:15:43 One boy didn't have one. So his friend of this classmate, gave him part of his So they both had their first one. 1:15:53 Anyway, they had three different kinds of worms and they had hookworm. 1:15:58 So that meant I had to do something about shoes. I had do something about gardening. We taught them gardening as a rule, the governor of the province. 1:16:08 So every school they had to teach gardening. Now that was worthwhile. 1:16:14 That was worthwhile. You know, I have to tell you, I got pinworms at one time and they. 1:16:20 They crawl out of your butt at night. Yeah. And they make you really itchy. Yeah, right. I know. It's gross. Poor Michelle over there is about to vomit, 1:16:29 Built I had a toilet building contest. Wow. And we wanted to pretend 1:16:36 that immunization wasn't part of us. Wow. Because 1:16:42 that's their problem. They always think they have to have a doctor. And I was trying to show them they didn't need a doctor. 1:16:48 They. They could get well without a doctor, by just living right. It was exciting. Wow. 1:16:54 It was really good public health. So is your son a doctor? Yes. He married a nurse and the nurse married a doctor. 1:17:03 Wow, that's great. But I heard he said you're only going to live to 110. He said I would live to 110. 1:17:09 Yeah. What do you think about that? I think it's pretty good. English (United States)
做过一些跟nutrition沾边的工作，我觉得重要的是moderation and variety。吃的少身体消化压力小而且不容易达到某一种成分的致病/中毒剂量（考虑现代污染/转基因等等）。各种都吃点保证营养均衡同时也是分散风险。那些吹捧或者妖魔化某一种食品成分的背后都是利益集团，不了解的可以去看看食物金字塔是怎么出台的
这个本身是营养学教授，研究了一辈子食品和营养，他比自己兄弟多活了十几年，而且思维敏捷，乐观开朗。 他全素食，鸡蛋牛奶也不吃，这个不容易作到。糖摄入量严格控制，一天两顿饭，不吃零食。每天走路一小时。 没有提到stress，说是live a protected life。受益很多，感谢分享。
OroMedonte 发表于 2023-06-18 13:02
他的话有些自相矛盾 我不是全素食： 4:20 And do you yourself eat any animal products like dairy or? 4:27 I do. I'm a lacto ovo vegetarian. (非全素食) 我是全素食： 5:30 I don't like the term (vegan 全素食). I say I'm a...I'd rather have the term total vegetarian.
他的话有些自相矛盾 我不是全素食： 4:20 And do you yourself eat any animal products like dairy or? 4:27 I do. I'm a lacto ovo vegetarian. (非全素食) 我是全素食： 5:30 I don't like the term (vegan 全素食). I say I'm a...I'd rather have the term total vegetarian. minren 发表于 2023-06-18 13:43
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他讲到LDL不超过120就行 但因为big Phama的影响 最后订的标准是100.
他讲到一些医学试验都是用男人做的研究 结果不一定适用女性
我要100岁时 估计不上华人了 lol
我看了下他讲的 我基本上都做到了 不抽烟不喝酒每天至少走两麦 少吃肉 但我还没有全素。可以考虑改全素 他讲高蛋白饮食会伤肾 这个我得改 因为怕胖 经常少carb 高蛋白地吃 我是营养学小白 正在学习中
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Meet Dr. Scharffenberg 0:49 That's Dr. John Scharffenberg, who turns 100 in a few months. My friend Michelle Cen charmed him into letting us visit him in his home, 0:57 and I thought how wonderful. She can interview him in his beautiful backyard and I can run the cameras 1:02 and enjoy the show. But Michelle being Michelle, she dragged me into the interview and persuaded him to let us inspect his kitchen and home office. 1:10 John received his M.D. from Loma Linda University in 1948 and a master's in public health from Harvard in 1956. 1:18 He is an Adventist and a vegetarian from birth, not uncommon among Adventists. 1:23 Here he is a half century ago. Let's take another cancer: lymph gland cancer. 1:30 Dr. Alan Cunningham went around the world, checked 16 countries, and he noticed that as the meat intake went 1:38 up, particularly with beef, the risk of lymph gland cancer increased. So from the anatomy standpoint alone, it looks like our creator 1:47 made us to be a kind of an animal that does not eat other animals. 1:53 I read two of his books while editing this episode: Six Extra Years and Problems with Meat. 1:58 Michelle Cen is a recent Stanford grad in science, technology and society, and she knows things about nutrition because she works at True 2:05 North Health Center, whose founder has gone viral on YouTube for its impressive results from medically supervised water fasting. 2:12 Part one of this episode is on the simple lifestyle changes almost all of us can make and understand that have a profound impact on our health. 2:19 Part two is me grilling John about the amazing breakthroughs in our understanding of nutrition over the last 70 years. 2:26 And part three is discovering John's extraordinary life in public health by rummaging through his office. 2:32 So to get started, I'm just going to ask you some yes or no questions. Okay. Just to introduce yourself. 2:38 So do you smoke? I don't smoke. Never smoked. Do you drink any alcohol? 2:44 No, never have. Do you need any assistance to walk? Yes. Now. 2:49 Some time. Not to walk, but to go up steps or down steps. I sometime need a little bit. 2:56 Okay. If there's a railing, I don't have any problem. Okay. Do you wear glasses? No. 3:01 And that's because I had cataracts and had cataracts removed. And they put in 2020 lenses. 3:09 So I have 2020 vision and threw my glasses away. Wow. And can you drive? 3:15 Yes, I drive. Do you drive at night? Yes. And how old are you Dr. John Scharffenberg? 3:21 I am 99. But of course, in China, I'm in my 100th year. 3:27 So they call that 100. Right. Because you were born in Shanghai? I was born in Shanghai. 3:32 But they list the year you’re in as 100. But the US people say 3:40 you have to finish the hundred year before they call you a hundred. So you're already in there? Yeah. 3:46 Wow. So in one sentence, what should people eat? Well, I'll give you a university course in one sentence. What should people eat? 3:52 Eat at the proper time. That means no snacking. Eat as a proper time. 3:59 A variety — not all. at one meal. You get too fat that way. But over a ten day period to make sure you get all the nutrients you should have. 4:07 Eat a variety of different food. So eat a variety of natural 4:14 non processed foods in quantities for ideal weight. That's all you need to know. 4:20 Everything else explains why the sentence is true. And do you yourself eat any animal products like dairy or? 4:27 I do. I'm a lacto ovo vegetarian. I'm not a vegan and I don't like the term vegan. 4:34 In Great Britain, when they used that term, there was no religious connotation. 4:41 But when the man came here to the US and started in 1960, he had religious connotation. 4:50 He had a monthly magazine on health for the vegans. He called it Ahimsa. 4:57 That means you don't use animals for any business 5:03 to make money on. You don't wear silk shirts because you're using this silkworm 5:09 just to get business from it. And you don't kill any insects. 5:15 And one of their religious ideas was eat supper before dark. 5:21 Because after dark, you're more likely to kill insects. So I don't say I'm a a vegan. 5:30 I don't like the term. I say I'm a...I'd rather have the term total vegetarian. 5:36 Total vegetarian. I like that. And some people nowadays say that plants are trying to kill us. 5:42 What do you think about that? Who's trying to kill us? plants. Some people say plants are trying to kill us. I never heard that before. 5:48 Okay! No, no, no, I haven't heard that. Some people are also saying that high LDL cholesterol is also fine for us. 5:58 It might even be good. What do you think about that? Well, you have to know about this whole story of cholesterol. 6:07 Cholesterol wars... Cholesterol wars, yeah. It's a big, big story. But here's something we've just learned The 7 keys to a long life 6:14 since about 2010. A big advance in health. 6:19 You remember when Robert Koch discovered 6:24 the bacteria and Pasteur showed how it could make germs and you could get sick from it? 6:32 With his flask studies? That was a real breakthrough in health. 6:37 And then penicillin. About 1927, 28, penicillin 6:44 was another real breakthrough. Now, in 2010, we've had another great breakthrough that nobody's heard about. 6:54 But it's exciting. Here's what it is. World Health Organization agrees to it. 7:00 American Heart Association, the European Cardiology Society, they all agree to this, that 7:10 if you avoid seven risk factors, lifestyle factors, you can reduce the risk of a heart attack or stroke — cardiovascular disease, 80%. 7:21 You can reduce the risk of getting diabetes, 88%. 7:26 Now, what are these seven risk factors? Tobacco, alcohol, inactivity 7:32 (no exercise), overweight. And then they said too much meat and sugar. 7:40 They added two others. They were high blood pressure and high blood cholesterol. 7:47 Okay. If you just do the first five, you don't have to worry about the other two 7:53 because those first five help to keep your blood pressure down and your cholesterol down. Okay. 7:59 So this is kind of exciting without any medicine, we can lower the risk of heart attack and stroke 80%. 8:10 Now, that to me, is really exciting. You don't have to have all these pills. 8:16 Now cardiovascular disease is killing more people than the next five leading 8:24 causes of death combined. And here we don't need any medicine for it. 8:31 Just lifestyle. Exercise, no tobacco, alcohol, this kind of thing. Keep your weight down. It. 8:38 So it's kind of exciting. Well, doctors haven't really accepted this yet. 8:46 The authorities have. Leaders have, scientific people have. But the doctors have been for years Statins 8:54 giving statin pills to lower their cholesterol. 8:59 They had the idea that if we would lower everybody's cholesterol, we have no more heart attacks. 9:07 It's not right. It was an error. They've been giving people statins if their cholesterol level went up. 9:15 Okay. Now, here's the exciting thing. Most of the studies were done on men. 9:23 Well, they say women are just like men. Now, I'm a doctor. I know there's a difference. 9:30 But they're treating the women the same way. When they did three studies just on women alone. 9:38 They found out two of the three studies showed those that took the pills died sooner. 9:44 Then another problem. What about men? The older men do better with higher blood cholesterol levels. 9:52 Higher than what we think are good. Okay, so the authorities in the field 10:00 said that if you get to be 75 years of age, you should no longer 10:07 be put on statins. Okay. But they do better with higher level. They live longer. Okay. 10:13 So that doesn't fit our our idea that LDL is all that bad. There's something wrong with our theory. Huh. Yeah. 10:20 So we were told in 2015 in the World Cardiology Journal, 10:26 we were told, here's what we should tell our patients today. Tell your patients that we thought 10:33 if we lowered everybody's cholesterol, we no longer have any heart disease. That was an error. 10:40 But tell them what will really benefit them is lifestyle. Lifestyle. 10:46 No tobacco, no alcohol. Keeping your weight down. Exercise, you know, all that kind of thing. 10:53 But even now, the authorities who say you should be on statins 11:00 say you should still try lifestyle before you put the patient on statins. And most people aren't doing that. 11:08 They just start off with the pills. Right. So I'm not for the pill business. 11:14 I don't believe women should be put on statins, number one. And I'm sure that the men over 75 11:22 shouldn't be put on statins no matter what their cholesterol level is. And I'm sure everybody should be starting 11:30 a lifestyle program before they even try the medicines. And why do you think there is so much controversy around nutrition? Controversy in nutrition 11:36 And has it always been this way? Well, here's the problem. The doctors in their training have never had a good course in nutrition. 11:45 Mm. That's the problem. Right. You go in to see a doctor, you say, What should I eat for breakfast tomorrow? 11:52 Now he doesn't want to act stupid, so he has to give you an answer 11:58 and he doesn't really know. So he thinks to himself, What did my wife give me for breakfast 12:03 this morning? He doesn't know what to say scientifically. 12:10 Which is too bad. They need a good course And then another problem that we have medically. 12:18 We've been using cholesterol as an indicator of who needs statins? As if that would tell us, you know, and it doesn't. 12:28 It's a very poor representative of your heart status or your atherosclerosis status. 12:36 Very poor. Another problem. We're having lots of groups of doctors working together, 12:43 and the leader of the group gets the group together and says, Now look, you have to see a new patient every 10 minutes. 12:51 Otherwise, we aren't going to make any money on this. 10 minutes is not long enough to teach anybody anything. 13:00 So these are kind of problems we have medically see. And then we had some scandals, bad scandals. 13:08 I don't know if you've heard of the Cochrane Database. Can you explain more about it? Cochrane is the name of a group of top specialists 13:18 in different subjects all around the world, and they're the gold standard. 13:23 When that group says this is what all these studies mean, 13:29 that's what we should listen to. But recently they voted the man who is most against 13:36 the pharmaceutical companies having any influence with this group. They voted him off their group. 13:44 That's a scandal. When did that happen? It just happened a few years ago, not very long ago. Wow. 13:51 So that's a scandal. Are they going to allow the pharmaceutical company have influence? 13:56 Then here's another thing they did. They said how low should your LDL 14:02 cholesterol be? Now, I was one of the first ones that said it should be 120. 14:10 I had done thousands of them, so I knew what it should be before they had any standards. 14:16 Then when the standards came out, the British Heart Association said it should be 115 LDL cholesterol. 14:24 US said 130. Mine was 120. So I hit it pretty close. 14:30 And that was kind of exciting where it should be. But a committee got together with about 15 people 14:39 to decide how low LDL cholesterol should really be. 14:44 Eight of the 15 people got some financial payment 14:50 from the company that makes the pill toward the cholesterol. 14:55 So they voted. It should be down to 100. LDL. I see. It's crazy. 15:01 It doesn't have to be down that low at all. But they did it because they were friendly with the pharmaceutical company. 15:09 And here they had voted the top guy out who was opposed to that. And now all these people were getting 15:18 remuneration from the company by lecturing for them and so on. So is that right? Money. 15:25 Follow the money. You were professor of nutrition for over 62 years at Loma Linda University. 15:31 So throughout that time, has it always been this way that people keep disagreeing about nutrition? 15:38 Yes, they have. But the doctors usually don't have the training in it, 15:44 the average doctor, so they don't know about it. Just a few people at the top know what it should be. 15:50 Like the Heart Association was pretty good. Do you think the problem is getting worse today? Do you think that people are disagreeing more than ever about what is healthy to eat? 15:58 No, but they they've changed their views on some things. They've changed their views. 16:04 And that made quite a difference in knowledge. What they knew, worked and didn't work. 16:11 But I don't think we have to worry about everybody's cholesterol level. I see. 16:16 Have you heard of people talking about the carnivore diet? Sure. Meat diet? 16:21 All meat. And I don't think that's right either. For example, 16:28 the fat in the blood of the animal, even the Bible says you shouldn't eat it. The Jews were told not to eat it. Fat in blood. 16:35 Now, we've found out that the fat in the blood 16:40 has a heme iron in it, and that increases the risk of colon cancer, 16:49 type two diabetes and increases the risk of heart attack. 16:54 And so, for example, in the big nurses study they did, they checked a certain number 17:01 of them to see how much iron they were storing in their sternum. 17:07 They took a needle stuck in the sternum and checked to see. Those who had the most heme iron, 17:14 which was the meat eaters, they had more heme iron 17:20 there than the people who didn't eat the meat. Had more diabetes. 17:26 So there are doctors who prescribe meat If you're anemic. They shouldn't. 17:34 The iron in the meat is more quickly, absorbed. So it's good from that standpoint, but it's increasing 17:42 colon cancer, heart attack and diabetes type two. Wow. Yeah. 17:48 So what do you think is the best way to change people's minds about nutrition? 17:53 I think we need to get doctors educated in nutrition. We need a good 17:58 course in nutrition. In medical school, they don't have it. And that's one of the greatest things for prevention. 18:06 You know, we just don't have that in the medical school. They should have a good course. They don't. 18:11 How often do you yourself eat? I eat twice a day only. Intermittent fasting 18:16 And that's different than most people. Now, there's something new about that. 18:21 There's a dietician down in Alabama. Do you remember her name? You know, I don't remember. 18:27 I could probably look it up and find out. But anyway, she started in this country with the idea. 18:34 Now, we as Seventh Day Adventists used to teach that was a good thing to do 18:40 because Ellen White told us who we believed was a prophet. Told us that. Years ago. 18:46 So I brought up my children on two meals a day 18:51 and when did I start it? When the children got old enough to see if I was eating supper or not, 18:58 when they knew that I was on two meals a day too. So I’ve been on that for years. Yeah. 19:04 And what time do you eat your two meals? Well, I eat breakfast about 6:30 in the morning. I wake up about four, I eat breakfast about 6:30, 19:13 and then lunch come 12:30 or 1:00. Mm. So I can eat with other people at that time. 19:20 And then I don't eat anymore. And when do you... I drink water. When do you go to bed? Early. Like... 19:26 8 to 9. 8 to 9. So. So between your lunch and you go to bed, that's quite a few hours. 19:34 Do you get hungry? No. Not at all? You do when you change over to start with for two or three weeks. Mhm. 19:40 But we say when you get hungry drink a glass of water. Ah, okay. 19:46 So you don't...no snacks. No snacks. So I can't wait for us to go check out your fridge later 19:52 so you can see more of what exactly you eat. Yeah. You say you like to eat a lot of fruit. More than vegetables, right? Yes, I do.. 19:59 Oh, okay. I like grains such as rice. And you said that before you were going out to the Black Bear Diner and buying food. 20:08 But now you get help making your meals? Yes. Ah, that’s nice. This lady's sister, she didn't like to see me going out, eating all the time. 20:17 So she brings a lunch every day. Mm. What are your favorite foods? Mangoes. 20:23 Oh, yummy. Yeah. Manilla mango. Two months of the year in Manilla you couldn’t get mangoes, the temperature wasn't right. 20:31 But down in Cebu, the temperature is just right. They have mangoes every month of the year. 20:36 Wow. Down in where again? Cebu, Island of Cebu. Oh, okay. 20:42 Do you have any favorite vegetables? I'm trying to think what I like most. I kind of like snow peas. Mhm. 20:49 But more fruits. Tomatoes. Tomatoes? Yeah, I like tomatoes. 20:55 I argue with myself whether I like rice better or potatoes. Mm. There's a contest! For a long time, I thought it was rice, but then I changed. 21:02 I think it's potatoes. Really? Okay. But there's some problems with potatoes. 21:07 What's the problem? They have a high glycemic index. So white rice, people say, has pretty high glycemic index. 21:15 Potatoes even higher? Potatoes are like ice cream. They’re like ice cream? Oh, Wow. Yeah. 21:21 And so I have a friend who's a dietitian, a lady. And she no longer eats potatoes at all because of that. 21:29 I didn't know that. It has a very high glycemic index, but it depends on what else you eat with the meal. 21:36 Right. And how you prepare it. So every time they do a study on it, it comes out a different number. Mhm. 21:43 So I, I don't go for that idea scientifically yet. I see. 21:49 So when you're putting together your plate to eat, are you, are you thinking in terms of the kind of nutrients you're adding 21:56 or are you just eating foods you're familiar with. You know when I was bringing up my children, 22:02 I one week out of the year, every year practically, we write down everything we eat, 22:09 how much, and then we take out this agricultural handbook for 22:14 for the nutrient content and calculate what we were eating. 22:19 And so my kids are learning nutrition this way. The thing I was usually lowest in was vitamin 22:26 A, That means the greens. See, I never ate greens in the Orient. 22:33 Uh, fresh greens. Right. Because the Chinese always use human manure. 22:39 And that's the way you got amoeba. Mhm. And you could die from that. So I didn't eat that. 22:44 I came to this country and I found out that people who eat a salad 22:50 every day had a great drop in their chance of dying. Right. Mhm. 22:57 If they have a, a food they have vitamin A and C and it both, 23:03 they can reduce their death rate about three quarters. Wow. And so I began to eat more salad greens. 23:10 But the food I like the best I was well I like lentils pretty well. Mhm. 23:18 Yeah. I like uh, Chinese cooking, wok cooking. Mhm. 23:24 I can eat vegetables that way. Very nicely I, I like it. 23:29 And now when you get your blood work done, are there any deficiencies, abnormalities? 23:34 No, except for my age. B12 and vitamin D, 23:42 Vitamin D to be useful is in young people because it has to hit those cholesterol in the skin. 23:52 It changes the changes it. It has to go to the liver, change it again, goes to the kidney, 23:58 changes it again, and it makes a hormone which we call vitamin D. 24:03 Okay. And all these things in old people are working at only half speed. 24:10 So old people aren't getting it. They have to take a supplement. I see. So you supplement vitamin D and vitamin B12? Yes. 24:17 Every day. That's. Yeah, that's all. Gotcha. Why do you think that the Chinese and Seventh Day Adventists Adventist vegetarian life expectancy 24:24 live so long in America? I think it's a matter primarily of vegetarianism. 24:30 We checked in California, the vegetarian Adventist group. 24:35 With the general population. How long they live, for example, for the men in the general population, 24:42 in 19 and a half percent of them live to be 85 or older. But for Seventh Day Adventist men — 24:49 vegetarian men — 48.6%. That's a big difference. 24:54 And now the women live longer than the men. So in the general population, 24:59 uh, 39.3% of the women live to be 85 or older. 25:07 But for the Adventist women, 60.1%. It's quite a difference. 25:13 It is. Yeah, quite a difference. Yeah. And vegetarian. 25:18 What makes the difference. Of course, Adventists are unusual group to study 25:24 because they don't smoke or drink alcohol. Whereas all other studies, they have to compare this group 25:30 to that group with the same number of smokers, same amount of smoke, same amount of alcohol, confounding factors, 25:37 messes up, their study admits, don't have those confounding factors. So that's pretty good. 25:44 Now, in the Adventist health study for the men, they had only 56% of the death rate 25:51 of the people of the general population, 44% lower. Vegetarian. 25:57 No, that's for the ones who are not vegetarian. Everybody, all Adventists. But if you take just the vegetarian ones, 26:05 they have only 39% of the expected death rate of the general population. 26:10 If you take the total vegetarians, you don't use milk or egg, 26:15 they had only 16% of the death rate of the general population. 26:20 So smoking and tobacco knocks it down. 44%. If you don't eat meat, knocks it down further. 26:30 If you don't use milk or eggs, knocks it down more. Wow. What are the major advances in health that you've seen the last hundred years? 26:38 You know, the biggest thing that's happened in this country is that we have purified our water. 26:45 So you turn on any faucet, you can probably drink it. I remember I went with some friends to Mexico City 26:54 for a meeting on nutrition, big world meeting on nutrition. Two out of three of the speakers could not give their lecture 27:04 because they had diarrhea. Because of the food they were eating. 27:09 Yikes. And when we came home, the Food and Drug Administration sent us letters. 27:15 Where did we eat? What did we eat? Well, what did I eat there? 27:20 Mangoes. Things I could peel. Yeah! Bananas, plantains, you know. And rice. And things like that, though. 27:27 Cooked. So we never had any problem. But I was surprised so many people got sick. 27:35 Wow. So it sounds like you eat a lot of carbs, like a lot of mangoes, lots of rice... Yes. Yeah. 27:41 So I think water improvement was the biggest thing we did compared to any other country. Mm. 27:47 And then another thing I think next is immunizations. So we got rid of yellow fever, polio, smallpox, 27:59 and even the measles and the German measles, all these things. The number of cases, diphtheria, whooping cough, a number of cases went way down. 28:09 So people stop dying. I've got all kinds of data on that. So I think that was a big deal. 28:15 What about in your area of nutrition? What have been the changes or major advancements the past ten years? 28:21 Well, I used to say before 1950 was the Dark Ages. 28:26 But we did have some things that we did well. Pellagra. 28:32 Have you heard of Pellagra? Yep. The three Ds: diarrhea, 28:37 dementia, dermatitis, death. During the 1940s early 40s, 28:44 during World War Two time, we had as many as 100 to 300,000 people sick at one time. Hmm. 28:51 And since dementia is one of the problems, a lot of them were in jail because they did crazy things. 28:57 So they got put in jail. And what made it bad was the Chicago Board of Health said it's an infectious disease. 29:06 It wasn't. It's a nutrition disease. They proved it was not infectious. And so we got rid of Pellagra in the forties. 29:14 We had de-germinated the corn, you know, we did things like this. So they began to add niacin to the food and then there was no problem. 29:21 So that's one big thing we did before 1950. But before 1950, everybody thought, you were crazy 29:30 if you were a vegetarian. You couldn't bring up a child on a vegetarian diet. Right. See? 29:36 But from 1950 on, it was really excellent things that happened. 29:42 Mm. There was Frank Budreau, he was a public health man. And he said "if we use the information 29:51 we had on nutrition, it would be as big a advance as 29:59 Pasteur finding the germ theory. Wow. And I think that's right. The US government had advisors of physicians, specialists...
30:09 who told them that the best diet people could have is a vegetarian. It's the optimum diet. 30:14 So I think we should get more people on that. As far as we know, only 6 to 15% of 30:20 Americans are vegetarian. But now that we know with a proper lifestyle, you can decrease 30:29 heart attacks and strokes 80%. And that's one of the main things. Be vegetarian. 30:37 The problem was, uh, people like meat. Right. They rebelled against this. So they changed it, said eat more fruits 30:44 and vegetables. But they really meant less meat. 30:49 So they added another recommendation. Eat no more than 5 to 6% of the calories as saturated fat. 30:57 That means animal fat, dairy fat, milk fat, butter fat, cheese. That meant 31:05 lard, bacon and beef. That's what we had to get rid of. 31:11 So we don't use the bad terms vegetarian or the bad term meat. 31:16 We just say no more than 5 to 6% of the calories Saturated fat. You calculate it out, 31:21 it means vegetarian diet. Okay. Are there any other advancements 31:28 you think we should make in nutrition moving forward? Yes, I think there are some that we should do. 31:34 The next advance has to be in getting people to do what even they know they should do. 31:42 We don't know how to do that. You know? And 31:48 seeing a patient, a new one every 10 minutes is not long enough to even try. 31:53 But here a lady is overweight, comes in to see the doctor. He writes out a prescription. 31:59 You will now exercise one hour every day. She comes back one month later, a little bit heavier. 32:05 Did you follow the prescription? Did you exercise? No. 32:12 And after he has 100 patients go through his office like that, he stops even trying to educate them. 32:17 Yeah, that's our problem. Yeah, but the immunization had done a good job. You know, even without immunization, 32:24 I was in charge of tuberculosis control. I did so well in California that they made me a consultant to CDC. 32:33 And it was kind of exciting. Because we just about have it eliminated. 32:40 We still have it. Another ten years, we'll probably have TB eliminated. 32:45 That's phenomenal. It is. Wow. And I had a hand in that myself. Amazing. 32:50 Thank you. And thank you for your service, too, because you served for two years in the Army, right? Four years. Four years. 32:57 Two years as a medical student. Oh, okay, I see. They they put me through medicine. Oh, wow. Thank you for all you've done. 33:04 What do you think has gone worse in the field of nutrition in the past 100 years? You see the cardiac rate has gone down because of smoking going down. 33:14 Mm hmm. Now, only 11% of Americans — adults — are smoking. 33:20 And California, where they're a little more smart people, [laughter] It's only 9%. 33:26 So we've done well here in this country. And the state we've done well. 33:32 But there are things that are keeping the figures up. One is diabetes. 33:39 Two is hypertension. Three is overweight, particularly in children. 33:46 Mm hmm. Now, diabetes. It's jumped 33:53 a lot in just a couple of years, about 75%, the rate jumped high. 33:59 Well, why? It jumped by 75%. Yeah. In what timeframe? In just a few years. 34:05 It just suddenly went up. Hmm. And so why. Why did that happen? The people who who are put on 34:12 statins — medicines to lower their cholesterol... Women particularly. 34:20 Have 71% higher chance of getting diabetes if they're on statins. Hmm. 34:26 So that's one problem. Mm hmm. We've been getting too fat, particularly children. 34:31 That's another cause of diabetes. And our blood pressure. We have people with hypertension, and you usually have hypertension 34:39 maybe seven years before you're diagnosed with diabetes. So all these things 34:44 work together, and all of them have to do with a vegetarian diet. And what about exercise? Too much exercise? 34:50 How important is that to longevity? Okay. Exercise is extremely important. 34:55 Exercise helps to keep your weight down. Exercise helps you with 35:01 hypertension is the best preventive for hypertension there is. Exercise helps to keep you from diabetes. 35:07 In other words, if you exercise and you keep your weight down 35:13 and you're on a vegetarian diet, you won't get diabetes! So this is one of our problems. 35:18 It's the lifestyle. And see, the doctors have been telling people to take these statin pills. 35:26 They're going by the cholesterol level with the idea that if you lower your cholesterol you will not have heart attacks anymore. 35:32 It's not true. It's not true. And we made a mistake. We should tell them that lifestyle is important. 35:40 But the problem is we haven't persuaded people to live like they even know they should live. 35:47 Yes. That's our problem. And that's why I'm studying to become a therapist, I want to figure out how do we...people know what to do, but... A lot of them know what to do. 35:55 They don't do it. It's hard, yeah. It's hard. For exercise, how much do you think it can compensate for being overweight? 36:03 A woman who's fat... I had a lady helping me with my PowerPoint lectures. 36:09 She was...did it for a living for advertising purposes. 36:14 And she was really big. And I said to her, I said, you know, I've got to talk to you about your weight. 36:23 I said, do you want the good news first or the bad news? She said, Give me the bad news first. 36:29 I you should know, for every disease we know overweight is going to increase your risk of dying. 36:36 But the good news: if you are obese (and she was real big)... 36:41 If you are obese, but you exercise every day, you will live longer than the person who is normal weight who doesn't exercise. 36:51 Mhm. Oh, she said good, good, 'cause I exercise. Well what exercise do you do? 36:57 I go horseback riding. So you're just like sitting on it. I know the horse exercises, 37:03 but I'm not so sure how much the person does. Yeah. Anyway, a man who smokes has hypertension, 37:11 has high blood cholesterol. Mm. But he exercise every day, 37:17 will live longer than the man who doesn't have any of those things. Who doesn't exercise. And what counts as enough exercise? 37:25 Yeah. I hate to tell you this, but too much exercise increases your death rate too. 37:33 Because hardly anybody does that. But they have these people are running marathons and things. That's not right. 37:39 It's too much. So they're trying to find out how much is okay. 37:44 We're beginning to get an idea of how much is not very far between 37:49 a good amount and bad amount. But I hate to tell people this because most people aren't doing anything 37:58 in the way of exercise. What are you doing now for exercise? Now, I should add one more thing to the exercise bit. Mm. 38:06 They've done studies with Alzheimer's patients and probably exercise in MID 38:13 AGE is the most important time. Not kids, not old people like me, 38:20 but exercise mid age. 40 to 70 years of age. You exercise in that age group 38:27 might reduce your risk of of Alzheimer's. So I think that's the important time. 38:34 When I was 51, I moved out from my job at Loma Linda, started exercising by 38:40 living out in the country, growing food, cutting down the trees and so on. And 38:47 I outlived my brothers now 14 and 17 years now. 38:53 And right now, what do you do for exercise? Walking is about the only thing. Walking. And sometimes 39:00 do you work in the garden? I haven't been doing much here. See most of the garden is all in place. 39:05 This was all in place. Oh, it's gorgeous. Mostly for flowers. Ii's not for food. Does the walking... 39:12 How much do you walk every day? I haven't been walking enough. But you should walk, I think, 39:20 at least two miles a day. In Hawaii they did studies. Those who walk two or more miles a day compared to the walk, 39:28 those who walk one or less, and those who walk two Miles are more a day, compared to the other, had only 50% 39:36 the death rate. Cut their chance of dying in half. Yes, I think me maybe you 39:41 and the sisters could do a walk in a little more. Yeah. I need to do some more walking. 39:47 Yeah. Is it just hard to find the energy to, or the time? No, no. Neither 39:52 is a problem with me, I think it's the association I need that we walk it with somebody doing something with somebody else. 40:00 Oh. Talking or something. Maybe she should get you a dog or something. Yeah. 40:06 Well, I want to know. What do you think, looking back on your life was the hardest time in your life? 40:12 I don't know that I had any hard time. Yeah. No, I didn't have... 40:18 I lived kind of a protective life. Now, one thing that we should be working on 40:24 is the ACEs. The Adverse Children Experiences. 40:29 If a husband is beating up his wife and the kids see that...that's an ACE. 40:35 If the kid is not getting enough to eat, that's an ACE. If...the most important thing is 40:43 the mothers aren't spending enough time to help the kids emotionally paying attention to them, they're just ignoring them, 40:51 that's an ACE. If somebody is mentally off in the house, that's an ACE. 40:59 If somebody is going to jail in the family, that's an ACE. There's about ten of those. 41:04 And if you have about six of those, you may cut your life short by 20 years. 41:11 So I think we need to do something to try to help our kids have the right mentors to help them religiously 41:21 or take them out in the country for exercise or things like that. So you said that there have been no very difficult times in your life. 41:29 And I think, you know, a lot of people, they find it hard to look back at life 41:35 and think that it was all so positive. So how do you how do you keep on that characteristic smile and positivity? 41:40 Well, let me tell you one thing that happened to me. Me and my wife. We had 41:46 moved from Loma Linda up in the country. And I was waiting for my tax 41:51 returns, people to get it finished. And I had to wait an hour or so. 41:57 So I went to see a person that helped, and they weren't there. So I drove in the back yard and I saw a big tall man walk by inside the house. 42:06 So I knocked on the door. He came to the door and the family was taking 42:12 little windows and taking them out, making big windows. And the man said, You know, 42:19 there was a burglar in here and broke the window back bedroom. Oh, I said, I'd like to see it, 42:26 because I always knew the people. I said where are the people? Oh they're at work. So I went back to look at that broken 42:33 window of the bedroom and my wife dropped to the floor. Oh. Wonder what happened? 42:40 I was slipping over to see what happened. Then I felt the hammer he had on my head. 42:46 He hit her with a hammer. He was wanting to kill us, to take our Cadillac. 42:53 We just bought a secondhand Cadillac. Never had a Cadillac. In my life before and 43:00 since I was moving... It was a glancing blow. He demanded my keys. I threw 'em at him. 43:06 Hoping he'd have to turn around to get them. But he caught 'em. I was going to tackle him if he turned around. 43:12 But he ran out, got in our car and drove off. Now, that new car had a number on it so you could tell where it was. 43:22 And I ran out on the street. And I didn't realize how I looked. 43:27 My face were all bloody. I didn't know it. Hands were all bloody from this cut on the head. And 43:36 Finally a car stopped. I said, Can you get the police? That man just stole my car going around the corner now. 43:43 And he may have killed my wife in the house. And so he called. The police were within five minutes of us. Right close. 43:51 So we went in the house and picked my wife up from the floor, put her on a chair. 43:56 She said, What happened? Did we have an earthquake? Oh... That's a California person. Yeah, California. 44:03 She didn't know what had happened, see? Anyway, they had about 20 cars lined up, 44:10 that they were going up the hill, the mountains, and he wouldn't stop. 44:15 He wasn't going fast but he wouldn't stop. And they had to ram him. At the front. Ruined my car. 44:21 Wow. It was loaded with everything I owned, practically. And... 44:26 We got the car back and I got all my stuff back. But had to give up the car because 44:33 it was totaled. So. But how do you stay so optimistic despite all these things? 44:39 You asked what happened bad in my life. I would say that was the worst thing. Right. Yeah. 44:45 But I was in wars too. I was over in Korea when the Korean War started. 44:50 You were in Korea? Yeah. When it...wow. I had my house burned two times. 44:59 All your belongings burned to the ground? Not quite, but I had a home right in front of 45:06 Syngman Rhee's house — the Korean president. I was out of the house that evening 45:12 and somebody got the kids, ran out with one of our helpers. So that was a problem. 45:17 I went to the other house and I said to my wife, This is the first time I felt warm in Korea. 45:24 I went into the bathroom. I saw flames in the wall to electric socket. 45:32 Called the Marine who was in the duplex. He came with a big axe. He had it down before the fire department came. 45:42 Had it out. So I've has some bad experiences, but I wouldn't say 45:48 I've had any long experiences that were bad for me. Right. So I mean, even now you smile and you laugh all the time. Optimism 45:55 What what is it? What keeps you so positive? You know, I think 46:01 what's positive is, is I wake up every morning 46:07 and I say, now what's going to happen today? I know the Lord's going to bring somebody to me that I can help. 46:17 I have a friend of mine, his grandson was alcoholic. He was despondent all the time. 46:24 I didn't speak against it. I just told him, look, when I get up in the morning, I'm so excited. 46:31 I want to see who the Lord is going to bring to me that I can help. If I could get his mind off himself helping others. 46:40 So that's what I was trying to do, help other people. But it's interesting, how many things have happened 46:48 where somebody is brought to my attention that I can do something for. Well, that's a beautiful perspective. 46:53 Thank you for sharing that. When do you have any current goals you have like long term projects you're working toward? 47:01 Well, I'm trying to get my message out about the lifestyle. 47:08 Which really basically is a vegetarian diet. See. That's what I'm trying to get out. 47:16 Because so reasonable, it's sensible. It's not hard to do. 47:22 In this country, you know, but to get people to want to do it. I'm trying to show them the reasons why it should be done. 47:30 I got six good reasons I give them, on why it should be done. And, you know, we often times I think you have to be a doctor or a Ph.D. 47:40 or something to be able to tell people this stuff. You don't. I've taken kids and trained them in five weeks how to do health education. 47:51 And it works. It works! For example, give them five reasons why you shouldn't smoke. 47:57 Get 'em to go out and tell everybody. You don't have to have an M.D. to do that. And you can take nutrition and break it down into little bits 48:05 and tell them, Here's the five things you need to know about this. 48:10 And it works. So I've tried that and I'm really excited about getting organized 48:17 a program to work with young people and get young people to do the education. Like in your local area? 48:24 Yeah, yeah. I have it all outlined how to do it, but I don't have the energy now at this age to do it. 48:33 I need to get somebody who'll grab my idea and activate it. 48:39 I want to. I want to get kids doing it. Oh, you should share with us your plans. 48:44 So that maybe somebody who has the energy and time to do it will do it. Yeah, I'm I'm excited because I have all kinds of subjects 48:51 that they could lecture on. Was there anything we didn't cover that you want to make sure you shared? 48:56 My dad. Was head of the temperance department, we called it. Tobacco and alcohol 49:03 of our Adventist church in Washington D.C. area. Tacoma Park servicing area. 49:10 He made a film with Dr. Ochsner, chest surgeon. 49:16 Taking out of a man's lungs because he's smoking. He had cancer of the lungs. 49:22 And it's called one in 20,000. At that time, we had about 20,000 dying every year, 49:28 smoking a lot more since that time. And this one was the one 49:34 that was going to be saved because the lung removed. He took that film 49:40 and showed it to British Parliament, Great Britain, London. 49:45 It had a big effect on them over there. Yeah. It was... And he did 49:51 did that in New York City in a big hotel, 800 people there. Some people would faint. 49:57 Those are the days TV didn't have much blood. Yeah. And this was blood, people were fainting. 50:04 Oh, my gosh. But my dad was 50:09 really helped to move the stop smoking program. I think technology has been improving a lot. 50:18 For example, when my dad had cataract surgery, he had to stay flat in bed for three days. 50:27 There was pain doing it. I had mine out 50:32 in 15 minutes. You know, I had it out. I could get up, exercise. 50:38 I could do everything right away. Tremendous change. For example, dentists. 50:44 We always used to be scared to go to the dentist because it's painful. Yeah. 50:50 I have a dentist here now putting in implants. No pain. Good. 50:55 No pain at all! Tremendous advance! Good! Yeah. I think of surgery. For example, 51:03 we may have more breast cancer than we used to have, but our surgery is better. 51:11 We are saving patients from dying because of surgery. 51:17 So there's a lot of things. This technology has been improving tremendously in the medical field. 51:23 But as far as what we should be doing now, I think is important. Yeah. The ACEs I mentioned, 51:31 the children's programs, obesity. We got to do something about the obesity. Exercise. 51:39 We got to get people exercising. And you have to eat less calories. 51:44 Yeah. How do we do that? This two meal a day thing really works. 51:50 We're having more alcohol problems. Much more alcohol problems. 51:56 And that increases women's breast cancer. Midlife 52:01 drinking is a bad thing. We need to do something about that. We should do it like we did with the smoking: 52:09 tax it! Back to the alcohol Tax it like they did with cigarettes. 52:16 Besides the taxes to make laws you can only drink here, there. You know, that's what they did with the smoking. 52:24 We've got to get people moving towards a vegetarian diet. Not enough people are doing that... 52:32 That means we got to educate of why they should be vegetarian. In 2015, the US government said 52:38 it's an optimum diet. But it not many people move because they made that statement. 52:46 We got to do something with that. 52:51 Now it's interesting about blood pressure. What are we going to do about hypertension? 52:58 I began to get high blood pressure, but not till I was in my eighties. And it's very low. 53:04 Do you take medication for it? I do. The lowest pill they have. But it's kind of interesting. 53:10 If I had it when I was 50, it had time to cause a lot of trouble, but I didn't get it till I was 80. 53:20 So it made it quite a difference. But hypertension, if you get enough 53:26 linoleic acid in your diet, polyunsaturated fatty acid, most plant oils, 53:33 you won't get hypertension. If you get enough fiber in your diet, you won't get hypertension. 53:40 If you get only 12 grams a day of fiber compared to 53:47 24 grams, you have about 53:52 57% higher risk of hypertension. If you get enough potassium, 53:59 with rats, they won't get high blood pressure. They won't have any problem. 54:06 And with humans they've done studies that they don't get hypertension. If they get enough potassium. We're supposed to have 54:14 twice as much potassium as we have sodium. We have a just turned around. We're getting twice as much sodium as we are potassium. 54:23 And potassium is from the fruits and vegetables. Yeah. Meat gives us 25% of our salt. 54:30 Sodium is in meat. And a lot of our breakfast cereals, they add salt. 54:37 I use some breakfast cereals and first thing I do, I try to make sure there's not more 54:45 than five grams of sugar per serving. Yeah. It's got to be under that for me to use it. 54:52 Our fancy cameraman, Chris, do you have any questions? I think you've done a really good job of asking the questions. Chris interview 54:58 How can I get in to see Gary Fraser and interview him? He's a good friend of mine. He wrote a book, you know, in 2003. 55:05 I read it. Put out by the Oxford Press. In fact, I've ordered two of your books. How many books have you written? 55:10 I have written many, I tell you.... Well, I've ordered two of your books. I thought I heard you say on Chef AJ live that you wrote a book all about fat. 55:20 Yeah, I can. I can give you one. Oh, I want one. I want it autographed. 55:26 It's just a little pamphlets. Oh, yeah. It's my lectures that I had with slides. 55:31 I made each page of the book. One of those I have lots of things like that. 55:37 Now. Something I'd like you to see. I'm trying to make it attractive. Oh, that's pretty. 55:43 How do you like that? Yeah, that's a very pretty, pretty graphic. 55:48 You can't really copy that very well. Oh, one other thing I want to show you. You've got to see this. Can you hold it up so the camera can see? Junk food addiction 55:55 Yeah, it looks like we got some slides. I have this all on the computer. How is diet related to your being alcoholic or to opium? 56:04 At this point, Michelle and I got treated to a fascinating talk linking junk food to acquiring a propensity towards alcohol and drug abuse. 56:12 The initial research was done at Loma Linda in the sixties, when Dr. Register was head of the School of Nutrition, where Dr. 56:18 Scharffenberg worked. Dr. Register was a giant in the field and one of the discovers of B12 56:24 in the late forties. The initial studies were on rats whose diet was changed to the standard 56:29 American diet of donuts, hot dogs and all the rest. Poor rats. If he gave them a good diet, 56:36 here the height of the line represents the amount of alcohol they drink. Every rat knows not to drink alcohol. 56:42 Yeah. They drink only water. When he put them on the junk food diet, they started right off drinking some alcohol. 56:50 And seventh week they took off and became real alcoholic rats. We have found out biochemically how that works. 56:57 The talk got pretty technical, but the bottom line is when rats ate junk food, their bodies produced opium. 57:03 To be sure that we're right in our theory, we injected these alcoholic rats who are making morphine. 57:10 We inject them with morphine. They drink water. Really? 57:15 Well, that's amazing. See? They're getting already what their body craves. If you give 57:21 a human being who is obese, you go give him an opiate blocker. 57:28 I have one here that they tried. It affects the dopamine center in the brain. 57:34 They stop eating the foods that they craved. So we can now divide up obese people 57:41 who have a physiological craving because of the opium. Oh wow. From those who who have another kind of obesity. 57:50 So are you very familiar with the new obesity drugs that are coming out? 57:56 Ozempic. One of them is this opiate blocker. Cost a thousand dollars. It's expensive. 58:03 I've heard it's very successful. Yes. But people who take it say, wow, now I know what a 58:09 normal person feels like because right now I'm not hungry all day long. But there's another group who are obese, but not from that reason. 58:17 So we can separate the kind of obesity now because of this. Oh, that's exciting. 58:22 And do they know what percent of people are obese because of. No, we don't know. 58:28 They're just now getting into the research on this thing. But you see, Doctor Register found out with animals 58:35 that's true. Yeah. Wow. Way back. Wow. 1960s. Yeah. Amazing. 58:41 But now we're finding out it's true. And they're doing it with overweight people. 58:46 So something about their diet that's making them produce opium. 58:52 We got to find out what that is. Yes. So, doctor Scharffenberg, sometimes I think most of what we know about nutrition, We knew in the 70s 58:59 we knew in the seventies. We knew a long time ago, yes. A long time ago. And now fad diets keep coming 59:05 and the food companies are marketing and they're messing with our brains. Did you ever meet Ancel Keys? What did you think of Ancel Keys? 59:12 I had invited him out of my facility. You did? Yeah. How is he? What was he like? He's a doctor in physiology? 59:20 Yeah. University of Minnesota? Yes. Yeah. And he did the Seven Countries Study, you know. Quite respected, right? 59:27 Yes, there were problems with it, but he was a well-respected scientist. Yeah. Yeah. And that that was a nice study. 59:35 The Seven Country Study. Yeah, I knew him well. The head of The Framingham Study was a friend of mine, too. 59:43 Yeah, that was an epic study. I heard you say once that he used to think HDL was significant in heart disease. 59:49 That was the guy, a friend of mine. Yeah. Bill Castelli. Now we don't think it is. Yeah. Dr. Castelli. 59:56 Yeah. And then he said, You know what we found out in the modern day that HDL doesn't matter. That's right.
谢谢🙏我找不到transcript button. 是不是因为我在用iPad 不是desktop?
这个好厉害，怎么弄的啊？可以教学吗。谢谢
怎么样的结构比较好？？
同意
就是学其精华嘛。学习就是这个意思
分人吧，老医生吃素碳水很高，但油份很低，还刻意节食，能长期做到的人不多。吃素吃出一身病的人很多，应该是没有吃对食物。
食物金字塔咋出台的？能讲讲吗
同意。感觉关键要多样化
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这个可以在好多所谓的指标上。不要鄙视这个，比较那个，慢点节奏，在安静平和的环境，活的有质量自然也长寿。
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在和她聊天的时候，我感觉到活力，我有些朋友是20多岁，她给我的感觉像个年轻人。
所以总结，1，长寿有很大是基因存在，2长寿需要接近社会群体。3，好的心态可以让人长寿
同意你说的每一句话。 某些营养学砖家会莫名其妙攻击一种食物，就我所知 母乳，碳水化物，鸡蛋，牛奶，脂肪 都被攻击过且平反了。
非常同意食物需要均衡。绝对不走极端。
他全素食，鸡蛋牛奶也不吃，这个不容易作到。糖摄入量严格控制，一天两顿饭，不吃零食。每天走路一小时。
没有提到stress，说是live a protected life。受益很多，感谢分享。
他的话有些自相矛盾
我不是全素食： 4:20 And do you yourself eat any animal products like dairy or? 4:27 I do. I'm a lacto ovo vegetarian. (非全素食)
我是全素食： 5:30 I don't like the term (vegan 全素食). I say I'm a...I'd rather have the term total vegetarian.
年纪大了，前说后忘记
哈哈，是有些出入，可能牛奶还是有的。
他有些观点可以参考，他认为肉食跟高血脂高血压有直接关联。他本人对医生的药物控制认为干预过多。
最大的亮点是educate公众对饮食和健康的一些常识。
大部分人希望的还是有质量的长寿。