你应该反思一个问题，谷歌创造的PPC搜索广告模式，是不是真正靠谱，这不保证商业效果，不是按效果付费，不承担风险，这种商业模式，能rule the world ，可能吗 要说谷歌安卓授权付费模式，可这会迎来竞争对手，如果开始不是免费，不会快速推广，2008年安卓还是很小的比例 要是安卓一开始就收费，很多公司也会参与移动操作系统的开发和推广，最后谁会胜出，还不一定
你应该反思一个问题，谷歌创造的PPC搜索广告模式，是不是真正靠谱，这不保证商业效果，不是按效果付费，不承担风险，这种商业模式，能rule the world ，可能吗 要说谷歌安卓授权付费模式，可这会迎来竞争对手，如果开始不是免费，不会快速推广，2008年安卓还是很小的比例 要是安卓一开始就收费，很多公司也会参与移动操作系统的开发和推广，最后谁会胜出，还不一定
>google map? you can ask uber drivers, which map they use. >youtube? tiktok, ins, snap dominate > android? no profit from android users. > search? chatGPT and Bing are on the way
别尬吹烙印了，劈柴不过是PM抢了Credit罢了，既不是他的原创也不是他亲手干出来的，摘桃子是烙印强项，看看Chrome的wiki吧 Google CEO Eric Schmidt opposed the development of an independent web browser for six years. He stated that "at the time, Google was a small company", and he did not want to go through "bruising browser wars". After co-founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page hired several Mozilla Firefox developers and built a demonstration of Chrome, Schmidt said that "It was so good that it essentially forced me to change my mind."[23]
回复 27楼beidou的帖子 >>google map? >you can ask uber drivers, which map they use. Uber drivers say google map is better >>youtube? >tiktok, ins, snap dominate YouTube has more users, also has different and better users >>android? >no profit from android users. Google Play Store is pre-installed on every single Android-based smartphone and tablet. Google takes as much as 30% — on transactions that take place through the Play Store. Even Netflix and Amazon Prime pay Google for facilitating transactions through Play Store billing. >>search? >chatGPT and Bing are on the way That is just a wishful thinking
别尬吹烙印了，劈柴不过是PM抢了Credit罢了，既不是他的原创也不是他亲手干出来的，摘桃子是烙印强项，看看Chrome的wiki吧 Google CEO Eric Schmidt opposed the development of an independent web browser for six years. He stated that "at the time, Google was a small company", and he did not want to go through "bruising browser wars". After co-founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page hired several Mozilla Firefox developers and built a demonstration of Chrome, Schmidt said that "It was so good that it essentially forced me to change my mind."[23] lendingclubs 发表于 2023-06-08 12:54
看看前ceo Schmidt怎么说的，不要告诉我你比ceo更了解内幕，烙印不过是很早就接管chrome The former Google CEO would acknowledge that Larry and Sergey as well as the entire team under them was full of smart people. "Yes, we have lots of revenue, but these guys can kill us," Mr Schmidt feared. "So, they hired somebody to improve the performance of Firefox. Six months later, I am called down to one office and this person who was hired to improve the performance of Firefox has managed to invent Chrome," he said as the crowd guffawed. "Shocking." And then he asked how long they had been working on it. They said they had been doing it on the side. "No, you have done it full-time," he said. "How many more people do you have. Oh, we have 10 more people," Mr Schmidt quoted them as saying. https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/the-fascinating-story-of-how-google-chrome-was-invented-2448171
看看前ceo Schmidt怎么说的，不要告诉我你比ceo更了解内幕，烙印不过是很早就接管chrome The former Google CEO would acknowledge that Larry and Sergey as well as the entire team under them was full of smart people. "Yes, we have lots of revenue, but these guys can kill us," Mr Schmidt feared. "So, they hired somebody to improve the performance of Firefox. Six months later, I am called down to one office and this person who was hired to improve the performance of Firefox has managed to invent Chrome," he said as the crowd guffawed. "Shocking." And then he asked how long they had been working on it. They said they had been doing it on the side. "No, you have done it full-time," he said. "How many more people do you have. Oh, we have 10 more people," Mr Schmidt quoted them as saying. https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/the-fascinating-story-of-how-google-chrome-was-invented-2448171
不要被烙印洗脑了，人云亦云。当年劈柴早已经不是普通pm了，最早管chrome的director 被劈柴顶了，劈柴可以直接见founder大老板汇报，Google要做浏览器是2001年两个founder就提出的，劈柴还不知道在哪儿呢。 The browser matters," CEO Eric Schmidt says. He should know, because he was CTO of Sun Microsystems during the great browser wars of the 1990s. Google cofounders Larry Page and Sergey Brin know it, too. "When I joined Google in 2001, Larry and Sergey immediately said, ''''We should build our own browser,''''" https://www.wired.com/2008/09/mf-chrome/ 烙印就是厉害，不是自己创始的，不是自己动手的，最后功劳全归他
回复 27楼beidou的帖子 >>google map? >you can ask uber drivers, which map they use. Uber drivers say google map is better >>youtube? >tiktok, ins, snap dominate YouTube has more users, also has different and better users >>android? >no profit from android users. Google Play Store is pre-installed on every single Android-based smartphone and tablet. Google takes as much as 30% — on transactions that take place through the Play Store. Even Netflix and Amazon Prime pay Google for facilitating transactions through Play Store billing. >>search? >chatGPT and Bing are on the way That is just a wishful thinking minren 发表于 2023-06-08 13:18
Why do Uber drivers use Waze instead of Google Maps? First off, when I am driving Lyft, I am running Waze on one device and Google Maps on the other. When I am driving Uber, I have Waze up. Here is how I feel about the two: I trust Waze like my dog. I trust Google Maps like my ex-wife. https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Uber-drivers-use-Waze-instead-of-Google-Maps
Why do Uber drivers use Waze instead of Google Maps? First off, when I am driving Lyft, I am running Waze on one device and Google Maps on the other. When I am driving Uber, I have Waze up. Here is how I feel about the two: I trust Waze like my dog. I trust Google Maps like my ex-wife. https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Uber-drivers-use-Waze-instead-of-Google-Maps beidou 发表于 2023-06-08 20:41
可惜 可惜 就是每当全世界都期待Google推出产品时候 总是拿不出手。。媒体想偏袒都找不到借口
问题就在于Google对自家人才太好了 现在市值连微软都比不上 只靠个免费饭等福利撑着
要说谷歌安卓授权付费模式，可这会迎来竞争对手，如果开始不是免费，不会快速推广，2008年安卓还是很小的比例
要是安卓一开始就收费，很多公司也会参与移动操作系统的开发和推广，最后谁会胜出，还不一定
AI带来的商业价值被放大了，这不算革命性的创新
什么是ppc
pay-per-click
对谷歌来讲，就是拍卖搜索关键词广告，在搜索框下显示
马工可能更多的关注写代码，没有多少关注商业运营
你要求广告渠道保证商业效果？
你去投杂志，报纸，时代广场大屏，别人都是按时长收费好吧，谁管你卖不卖得动产品。
既然不能，那何德何能，能rule the world？
开什么玩笑rule the world, 谷歌现在就天天被司法部盯着打反垄断的官司，如果rule the world早大卸八块了。想想80年的超级巨无霸AT&T。
其实workspace也是世界第一，只不过这个to B，大部分人不知道，AI也是世界第一，只不过暂时被抢了风头，长期看无论是广度还是深度都远超OpenAI
没有一个是劈柴上任后做的， 这个ceo 水平真是一言难尽。
不应该允许任何公司RULE THE WORLD.
硬件产品没有一个拿得出手的。
笑死，你觉得劈柴为啥升那么快？他就是Chrome的PM，当年没人觉得在IE占领90%市场的情况下做新浏览器能有啥希望，劈柴坚持要做，试了好多次都被拒了，最后Sergey被说动了，让他试试，结果出来几年就大杀四方，直接把IE从90%干到十几。
未必， deep mind 和 brain 做的产品太高冷，离用户端落地都太远，连离搞 AI 的码工们都很远 OpenAI 做的一堆东西都触手可及，简单说狗的很多产品眼中没有用户
你的论据加上层主刚好说明劈柴更适合做产品经理
他不是android 的product manager 吗？
>google map? you can ask uber drivers, which map they use.
>youtube? tiktok, ins, snap dominate
> android? no profit from android users.
> search? chatGPT and Bing are on the way
AI本来就是高冷的东西，落地有什么难的，Deepmind几次小小地出手，Alpha Go把围棋拖下神坛，Alphafold直接wipe out一个行业，Chatgpt的理论基础就是Deepmind的论文，谷歌不愿意轻易落地是既有利益太大，怕搞不好会cannabalize，但是真的被打上门来，一出手就是全方位的，你看了Google I/O就知道了。
你大概不知道劈柴是做chrome上来的吧？啥都不懂瞎逼逼
想一波吃到老的心里， 那这世界还是有啥天理， 别人创新就白干？
谷歌这几年， 有啥拿得出手的创新？ 炒别人的云和AI 都在屁股后面追别人
自己搞的什么眼镜之类， 死的不能再死
在别人后面追？你怕是不知道Google ai相关的代码当时是开源的吧？openai等都是建立在Google开源的基础上 后来openai就把自己封闭起来了。不是在人后面追 大公司的大动作比小公司难多了，各种道德审核需要时间去process。另外为什么要打破自己的原有的盈利模式？吃饱了撑着？你有了一个好工作还把自己炒了吗？
看不懂楼主想说啥。
别尬吹烙印了，劈柴不过是PM抢了Credit罢了，既不是他的原创也不是他亲手干出来的，摘桃子是烙印强项，看看Chrome的wiki吧 Google CEO Eric Schmidt opposed the development of an independent web browser for six years. He stated that "at the time, Google was a small company", and he did not want to go through "bruising browser wars". After co-founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page hired several Mozilla Firefox developers and built a demonstration of Chrome, Schmidt said that "It was so good that it essentially forced me to change my mind."[23]
>>google map? >you can ask uber drivers, which map they use. Uber drivers say google map is better
>>youtube? >tiktok, ins, snap dominate YouTube has more users, also has different and better users
>>android? >no profit from android users. Google Play Store is pre-installed on every single Android-based smartphone and tablet. Google takes as much as 30% — on transactions that take place through the Play Store. Even Netflix and Amazon Prime pay Google for facilitating transactions through Play Store billing.
>>search? >chatGPT and Bing are on the way That is just a wishful thinking
Google 在网络搜索领域一直是 rule the world 好吧。
早就不用Chrome这种浏览器了，慢的要死，后台收集你的隐私发给谷歌；然后把你变成广告的target 用了brave之后各种tracking被堵的死死的。
笑死，啥都不懂就别丢人了，劈柴2004年加入的谷歌，第一个产品就是Google Tools，因为那个做的好，所以他才开始push Chrome，Eric Schmit 2001年加入的谷歌，他说别人向他推了6年，也就是说最早在2007年他才开始同意做Chrome，你认为向他推Chrome的那个人是谁？ 劈柴先通过正常途径推Chrome，好几年都没人理，后来直接去找Sergey，Sergey被impress之后去找Eric，与其说Eric被impress了，不如说是因为老板喜欢，他不敢再push back了，跟这里面写的一摸一样，你是不是看不懂？
这位大妈/大叔真有趣，你怕是不知道Brave的内核就是Chromium吧？对，就是Chrome浏览器的那个Chromium, 你还不如换成Edge，也是Chromium，用户界面还好点，其实都没啥区别。
看看前ceo Schmidt怎么说的，不要告诉我你比ceo更了解内幕，烙印不过是很早就接管chrome The former Google CEO would acknowledge that Larry and Sergey as well as the entire team under them was full of smart people. "Yes, we have lots of revenue, but these guys can kill us," Mr Schmidt feared.
"So, they hired somebody to improve the performance of Firefox. Six months later, I am called down to one office and this person who was hired to improve the performance of Firefox has managed to invent Chrome," he said as the crowd guffawed.
"Shocking." And then he asked how long they had been working on it. They said they had been doing it on the side. "No, you have done it full-time," he said.
"How many more people do you have. Oh, we have 10 more people," Mr Schmidt quoted them as saying. https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/the-fascinating-story-of-how-google-chrome-was-invented-2448171
拜托，Eric是个千亿市值公司的CEO，他怎么可能知道一个产品出现的全部细节，劈柴push Chrome的时候不过是个L7 PM，从mozzila 雇来的人就是劈柴推动的，你以为随便一个产品都有机会给CEO做demo吗？到了能给CEO做Demo的程度，下面都不知道做了多少工作了，而且也轮不到劈柴做Demo，最少也是他的director，在这个case里是劈柴通过他的director去找的Sergey，Sergey 去找的Eric，整个过程中可能Eric连劈柴的名字都没听过
知道啊， 但是他上任ceo 以后，感觉google 就流于平庸了。
cook 做了apple watch， apple silicon， 一堆service， airpod, vision pro satya 推进了azure （立项应该是SteveB做的）， microsoft 365 小札买了IG， WhatsApp， Oculus,
感觉劈柴把Google 已有的产品线做的越来越好， 试验性的做的都一般， 比如pixel， gcp.
欢迎指正。
以前的google不好说，现在的google，从盈利模式（PPC），到创新，都是日暮西山+狂妄自大。这样的公司离死不远了。
泡在网上扎堆踩Biden赞trump在现实生活比较是少数，做生意和这个也是两码事
我也经过两次，还有指路放着大路不走，让我走居民区弯弯绕绕的，还是apple 靠谱。
ChatGPT里面用的神经网络基本架构transformer和训练方法backward propagation都被google申请了专利 google如果想要作恶太简单了，只能说算是现在还有点良心的公司了
不要被烙印洗脑了，人云亦云。当年劈柴早已经不是普通pm了，最早管chrome的director 被劈柴顶了，劈柴可以直接见founder大老板汇报，Google要做浏览器是2001年两个founder就提出的，劈柴还不知道在哪儿呢。 The browser matters," CEO Eric Schmidt says. He should know, because he was CTO of Sun Microsystems during the great browser wars of the 1990s. Google cofounders Larry Page and Sergey Brin know it, too. "When I joined Google in 2001, Larry and Sergey immediately said, ''''We should build our own browser,''''"
https://www.wired.com/2008/09/mf-chrome/
烙印就是厉害，不是自己创始的，不是自己动手的，最后功劳全归他
这几年Google这个 CEO 明显干不过微软CEO啊
Why do Uber drivers use Waze instead of Google Maps? First off, when I am driving Lyft, I am running Waze on one device and Google Maps on the other. When I am driving Uber, I have Waze up. Here is how I feel about the two: I trust Waze like my dog. I trust Google Maps like my ex-wife.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Uber-drivers-use-Waze-instead-of-Google-Maps
会不会是那个啥默认开启的省油模式搞的鬼？
waze 也是 google的啊.