几个黑人小孩孩在大街上玩， 白女出门扔东西，把小孩赶走， 小孩慌乱间把ipad落在地上了，白女拿走， 小孩妈妈知道后来敲白女的门，想要回自家孩子的ipad， 白女隔着门开枪，打死了黑孩妈妈，9岁的黑人小孩就在旁边， 案发后，警方一直没有抓人， 被各界抗议后，上门抓了白大妈。 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-charged-fatally-shooting-neighbor-history-harassing-children-res-rcna88138 Florida woman charged with fatally shooting her neighbor has a history of harassing area children, residents say Susan Louise Lorincz, who is white, is accused of fatally shooting Ajike “AJ” Owens, a Black mother of four, through a closed door in Ocala on Friday night, authorities said.
‘This world is really, really nasty’ Crump, who is representing the Owens family, and the slain woman's relatives and loved ones have said that Lorincz had used racial slurs against Owens' children prior to the fatal encounter. One of the children left an iPad behind, which the woman took, he said. A sheriff’s incident report, which is redacted, mentions that deputies were told at the scene that an iPad was taken by a woman who was at that time described as a suspect. Deputies had been responding to a call about trespassing that night when they were informed there was a shooting, and they arrived to find Owens lying on the grass not breathing, according to a sheriff’s office incident report. Lorincz told investigators that she acted in self-defense “and that Owens had been trying to break down her door prior to her discharging her firearm,” the sheriff’s office said in a statement.
‘This world is really, really nasty’ Crump, who is representing the Owens family, and the slain woman's relatives and loved ones have said that Lorincz had used racial slurs against Owens' children prior to the fatal encounter. One of the children left an iPad behind, which the woman took, he said. A sheriff’s incident report, which is redacted, mentions that deputies were told at the scene that an iPad was taken by a woman who was at that time described as a suspect. Deputies had been responding to a call about trespassing that night when they were informed there was a shooting, and they arrived to find Owens lying on the grass not breathing, according to a sheriff’s office incident report. Lorincz told investigators that she acted in self-defense “and that Owens had been trying to break down her door prior to her discharging her firearm,” the sheriff’s office said in a statement. humanzh 发表于 2023-06-07 16:15
关于arrest的部分 “We are grateful to Sheriff Woods for making the arrest. We don’t take that lightly, we don’t take it for granted. Because Black people getting swift justice in America is not something that happens all the time,” Crump said. “Even though we are bothered that it took four days, we understand because ... of laws like stands your ground, it can complicate matters,” the attorney added. Sheriff Billy Woods previously said investigators were legally required to investigate whether Florida’s “stand your ground” law applied before they made an arrest. He said the killing of Owens was not justified under the self-defense law. “It was simply a killing,” Woods said. 不知道这个Sheriff是不是压力之下才最终逮捕的。感觉死者律师说的也好辛酸。PoC才会懂的辛酸。
Pamela Dias, Owens’ mother, sat down with MSNBC on Wednesday and spoke at the news conference. Her grandchildren, who range in ages from 3 to 12, have been impacted "in so many ways" since their mother's death, she said. Dias noted Owens' two boys, including a 9-year-old who saw his mother killed, blame themselves for her death. “In his soul, in his heart, it’s his fault,” she said, explaining how the child told his mother what Lorincz allegedly did prior to the shooting, which prompted the confrontation. Dias added: “Our 12-year-old blames himself for the death of his mother because he couldn’t save her. He couldn’t give her CPR. His words were, ‘Grandma, grandma, I couldn’t save her.’” 两个孩子太惨了。一个觉得是因为自己和Karen的冲突才导致了妈妈死去。一个觉得是自己没能及时救下妈妈。这心理阴影可大了去了。
几个黑人小孩孩在大街上玩， 白女出门扔东西，把小孩赶走， 小孩慌乱间把ipad落在地上了，白女拿走， 小孩妈妈知道后来敲白女的门，想要回自家孩子的ipad， 白女隔着门开枪，打死了黑孩妈妈，9岁的黑人小孩就在旁边， 案发后，警方一直没有抓人， 被各界抗议后，上门抓了白大妈。 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-charged-fatally-shooting-neighbor-history-harassing-children-res-rcna88138 Florida woman charged with fatally shooting her neighbor has a history of harassing area children, residents say Susan Louise Lorincz, who is white, is accused of fatally shooting Ajike “AJ” Owens, a Black mother of four, through a closed door in Ocala on Friday night, authorities said. humanzh 发表于 2023-06-07 15:54
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-charged-fatally-shooting-neighbor-history-harassing-children-res-rcna88138 Florida woman charged with fatally shooting her neighbor has a history of harassing area children, residents say Susan Louise Lorincz, who is white, is accused of fatally shooting Ajike “AJ” Owens, a Black mother of four, through a closed door in Ocala on Friday night, authorities said.
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统统都可以啊
你这回复戾气很重，而且完全不合逻辑。我表示很害怕你，绕着你走。祝你满意。 相信你，碰到卖凉粉枪击的事情，一定可以分辨到底开枪的该不该被逮捕的。
你这就是二极管思维了。 是否批捕取决于当地警官的是否签批捕令。然而批捕并不等于认罪，是否认罪还要法院和陪审团裁定。 即便是你个正经公民，只要当地警官和fbi有理由怀疑你是间谍，就可以签批捕令暂时扣押你。 这件事情上明显当地警官是迫于舆论压力才签署批捕的。
被干掉的是你吗？不是。所以你也只是道听途说。既然是道听途说，也可能是诬告对不对？
在判决之前，一切只是指控，不一定是事实。 指控当然是控方提供证据啊。
再举个例子，如果有人说华人都是间谍，每一个人都要提供到美之后所有的联系人，所有的收入和支出，所有发表言论，来证明你不是间谍，这样好吗？
🛋️ 沙发板凳
真是够凶的，拿了小孩 iPad 还射杀妈妈。
都是有些政客的错，煽着煽着，煽到自己国家的人大脑简单，直接开枪，随后谁也幸免不了，政客也别想有好下场。
白人变态真特么多
俺也是疑惑这一点。
估计是因为白女是在自己门口开枪的，可以是自卫，所以要等警察调查之后才被抓。
现在再也没有了。 我以前还一直想6/1开个给街道的小朋友，然后也被各种新闻劝退了。
但，不接触，就更加可能恶性循环了啊 哎：（
佛州本来法律就宽松，可能开始以正当防卫处理吧。
前不久还看道另一个，也是白人，老头，隔门射击邻居孩子们在他院子里面玩闹的。
BLOCK PARTY 真的你不说，我都忘记了，以前真的有，这几年真没听说过了，可能疫情也有关系。
这就是hate crime吧
这样的情况都拿枪射击，这就是谋杀啊。
不管怎样这个女人都是恶魔。
这个可以肯定，如果是黑人这么射杀白人，一定会马上被抓
死者安息。
如果这个妈妈没有选择自己上门索要，而是报警处理，警察上门要，可能就不会出现悲剧了。 教训是，避免直接冲突，谁知道会不会碰上神经病。
看NBC采访的几个邻居还都是白人。其中有一个估计是死者的朋友，也是白人，说单元这个老太太rot in hell.
Crump, who is representing the Owens family, and the slain woman's relatives and loved ones have said that Lorincz had used racial slurs against Owens' children prior to the fatal encounter. One of the children left an iPad behind, which the woman took, he said. A sheriff’s incident report, which is redacted, mentions that deputies were told at the scene that an iPad was taken by a woman who was at that time described as a suspect. Deputies had been responding to a call about trespassing that night when they were informed there was a shooting, and they arrived to find Owens lying on the grass not breathing, according to a sheriff’s office incident report. Lorincz told investigators that she acted in self-defense “and that Owens had been trying to break down her door prior to her discharging her firearm,” the sheriff’s office said in a statement.
估计黑人妈妈以为就过去吵架几句，把IPAD拿回来也就完了？
一般邻居里小冲突，谁也不会上升到报警，或者对方会这样开枪啊。
那妈妈被杀死的时候，她的两个男孩还在旁边。恐怖啊。
现在一根筋的思路就是：我感到了害怕，我感到了威胁，我就可以开枪，这是宪法赋予我的权利。
敲我门就是威胁我！
于是Sheriff就压根没有打算逮捕当事人？
族裔区别太大了吧。
要是颜色反过来就完全不一样了。
所以，我说，我学到了一个新教训，宁愿被警察觉得我小题大做，也不要自己直接冲突。
这个世界真的挺疯狂的。现在感觉如果邻里关系不那么好的话，也是随时恶化升级到很严重的程度。
这思路只对白人有效，黑人/黄人来家门口立马觉得有生命危险开枪射。 要反过来，黑人/黄人这么干，马上抓起来
用枪是邻里之间实现恐怖和平的办法啊！
特别是洪州的minority ，不了解或者没提前沟通过的家庭，就算不是会冲突的事情也别直接上门
被抓起来的那个开枪的老中便利店老板的新闻，才几天？
老中美国底层公民，还做梦law and order 这种事，无论对错，先抓进去再说。
“We are grateful to Sheriff Woods for making the arrest. We don’t take that lightly, we don’t take it for granted. Because Black people getting swift justice in America is not something that happens all the time,” Crump said. “Even though we are bothered that it took four days, we understand because ... of laws like stands your ground, it can complicate matters,” the attorney added. Sheriff Billy Woods previously said investigators were legally required to investigate whether Florida’s “stand your ground” law applied before they made an arrest. He said the killing of Owens was not justified under the self-defense law. “It was simply a killing,” Woods said.
不知道这个Sheriff是不是压力之下才最终逮捕的。感觉死者律师说的也好辛酸。PoC才会懂的辛酸。
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如果她说，死者威胁她了，她行使自卫权，法庭也没有办法。 这种情况下，可能只是ｍａｎ ｓｌａｕｇｈｔｅｒ，谋杀不成立，判不了几年的。 如果检察官坚持起诉谋杀的话，可能反而会让她彻底脱罪。
“In his soul, in his heart, it’s his fault,” she said, explaining how the child told his mother what Lorincz allegedly did prior to the shooting, which prompted the confrontation.
Dias added: “Our 12-year-old blames himself for the death of his mother because he couldn’t save her. He couldn’t give her CPR. His words were, ‘Grandma, grandma, I couldn’t save her.’”
两个孩子太惨了。一个觉得是因为自己和Karen的冲突才导致了妈妈死去。一个觉得是自己没能及时救下妈妈。这心理阴影可大了去了。
罪犯冒充受害人地址报个假警，警察来了，受害人蒙在鼓里，应对不当就被射杀了。
这个实在是太恶心了！
孩子不知道当时在不在身边。但是及时孩子可以描述当时的场景，也是她说这样，他说这样。最后还的看官司怎么打。
太可怕了。
好奇是不是只要陌生人上门都可以开枪， 还是谁上门都可以开枪
号称是需要verify是不是 Stand your ground。
等有抗议了，才抓的e 。
我不懂法律啊，先说好。 但是根据常识，孩子的证词，法庭不会采信。 一是未成年，二是利益相关。
抓了，其实也不说明什么。 最后还要看法官，这个女人脱罪，或者认轻罪，可能性更大。
我根据多年追美剧积攒的经验，预测下，谋杀很难成立。
洪州华人川粉心中的美国精神代表和美国之所以伟大的令人感动的“真正的美国人”
所以其实想想defund police说的就是这个意思,很多警察就是区别对待白人和少数族裔,看了一个脱口秀说,搞笑说为啥白人serial killer多,因为黑人/黄种人还没开始serial就被抓了,而白人都是“好人”,得杀好多次人才被抓
红州现在在自己家打死人就是不会抓，只要说正当防卫，警察就必须调查，证明不是正当防卫才能抓人。人都死了全凭枪手一张嘴。 这个案子是太过分了有舆论压力，一般的真说不清。
对比之前华人商铺的事，真是，白人开枪怎么就那么有理呢。
这个privilege 和咱们肤色没什么关系。
gop统治下的红州就是这个德行,所以明年大选时希望华人能够擦亮自己的眼睛
因为法律允许。。。
上门兴师问罪
人家妈要回自己娃的pad，能说成兴师问罪？
任何人。。。只要大妈说觉得自己的人身安全受到威胁，在她家地盘上，她就可以开枪。。。
警察根本不会去帮她要啊。
兴师问罪，是用词不当。
核心的意思是，直接上门的风险很大。 如果死者报警，说自己孩子ｉｐａｄ被抢了，警察来要，可能就不会发生后面的事情了。 当然了，没有ｂｌａｍｅ ｖｉｃｔｉｍ的意思，就是学个教训。以后我碰到这种事情，就不会自己处理，而是报警。
枪毙
我们还有
我觉得会吧，她说孩子ｉｐａｄ被抢了，警察有什么理由不管呢？
我很悲观，恐怕定不了谋杀之类的重罪，很可能以ｍａｎ ｓｌａｕｇｈｔｅｒ结案。
警察可以说，去问过屋主了，人家没拿她孩子的ipad，是她孩子自己搞丢了。她能怎样？要警察去人家家里搜吗？
在那种地方，你让黑人针对白人报警，天方夜谭不是。这大妈欺负孩子都欺负得这么臭名昭著了也没见警察管过，杀了人了也才起诉一个manslaughter。
好区警察比较闲可能会去。那种人人有枪的社区警察也懒得管，小额的邻里纠纷，警察可以直接让你去小额法庭/找律师起诉邻居
看来以后万一需要问路帮忙啥的，要站在公共的路大嗓门喊，“求帮助，要问路”
ｍａｎ ｓｌａｕｇｈｔｅｒ是我猜测的，根据美剧经验，不是已经发生的事实。
这都什么啊？首先不是ipad被抢好不好？你上来就跟警察撒谎？
再说警察来了不由分说先一枪打死有色人种的事还少么？
这个白女就是个种族歧视的混蛋，估计以为杀死个黑人无所谓，警察也不会管。反正现实是很多这样的白混蛋就是没有警察管。严惩这样的混蛋+控枪才能减少这样的悲剧。
别的不说，我觉得，大妈扣压小孩ｉｐａｄ的行为，可以报告警察被抢，不是撒谎。
当然，法庭上抢劫罪是不成立的，这种事也上不了法庭。
你站在路上yell, 还是外国口音，万一路边哪家红波觉得生命受威胁冲你开枪怎么办？
是事实……你是神算子啊，新闻上真的说了起诉manslaughter。
应该是狼性 要不美洲还会有不少土著
草, 这个杀人和政客有什么关系?
芝加哥还有很多这种block party
政客挑动种族仇恨，还不限枪，你觉得会有什么结果？
现在美国的暴力局面，当然和政客的关系很大。
我猜想，需要一个特别恶性的事件，而且被害人要让政客触及灵魂，比方说，XXXXXX，现在这个恶性局面才能有改变
警察队伍大概是最右的政府组织了.
政客挑动种族仇恨
不同意。
美国种族问题由来已久，不是那个政客挑拨的。 其实美国种族问题一直没解决，只不过一战二战，美国经济飞速发展，用普世价值把种族问题掩盖了。 事实美国种族和解，还不如现在的刚果金
真担心美国一旦经济大幅衰退，国内会乱成啥样。 尤其是洪州。美华应尽早搬到蓝州去。
操, 华人好惨
常识, 吃救济的白人肯定比黑人多.
确实, 目前的种族平等是美国政府强压下去的, 很多白人并不死心, 否则也不至于kkk还到处游行.
狼性个p, 就是种族主义，不把有色人种当人看
那是白人人数多，按比例应该是黑人高
这确实，什么样的选民就有什么样的政客。美国种族问题从来没有解决过，只不过之前不把一部分人当人而已。