最新的情况：部署在基辅的美国爱国者导弹防御系统被俄罗斯的高超音速导弹“匕首”给击中了。俄方的说法是彻底击毁了爱国者系统，美方的说法只是damage了系统，具体受损程度有待评估。 US assessing potential damage of Patriot missile defense system following Russian attack near Kyiv From CNN's Natasha Bertrand A US-made Patriot system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time, a United States official tells CNN. The US is still assessing the extent of the damage, the official said. That will determine whether the system needs to be pulled back entirely or simply repaired on the spot by the Ukrainians. Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday in a post on Telegram that “a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system.” Ukrainian officials said on Tuesday that they successfully intercepted all six hypersonic missiles fired by the Russians, but the Ukrainian military declined to comment on the Russians’ claim that a Patriot system was hit. “We cannot comment on this. We'll stay out of commenting on Russian sources,” Ukrainian air force spokesperson Serhiy Ihnat said. Ukraine currently has two Patriot air defense systems in the country, one donated by the US and the other donated jointly by Germany and the Netherlands. It is unclear which of those systems was potentially damaged. Some context: Russia has targeted the systems with hypersonic missiles before, US officials told CNN last week, including once on May 4. That attack failed, and Ukrainians successfully intercepted the missile before it could hit the Patriot, the officials said. But US officials believe the Russians have been able to pick up on signals that are emitted from the Patriot, allowing them to target the system using the hypersonic missile, known as the Kinzhal or Killjoy.
最新的情况：部署在基辅的美国爱国者导弹防御系统被俄罗斯的高超音速导弹“匕首”给击中了。俄方的说法是彻底击毁了爱国者系统，美方的说法只是damage了系统，具体受损程度有待评估。 US assessing potential damage of Patriot missile defense system following Russian attack near Kyiv From CNN's Natasha Bertrand A US-made Patriot system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time, a United States official tells CNN. The US is still assessing the extent of the damage, the official said. That will determine whether the system needs to be pulled back entirely or simply repaired on the spot by the Ukrainians. Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday in a post on Telegram that “a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system.” Ukrainian officials said on Tuesday that they successfully intercepted all six hypersonic missiles fired by the Russians, but the Ukrainian military declined to comment on the Russians’ claim that a Patriot system was hit. “We cannot comment on this. We'll stay out of commenting on Russian sources,” Ukrainian air force spokesperson Serhiy Ihnat said. Ukraine currently has two Patriot air defense systems in the country, one donated by the US and the other donated jointly by Germany and the Netherlands. It is unclear which of those systems was potentially damaged. Some context: Russia has targeted the systems with hypersonic missiles before, US officials told CNN last week, including once on May 4. That attack failed, and Ukrainians successfully intercepted the missile before it could hit the Patriot, the officials said. But US officials believe the Russians have been able to pick up on signals that are emitted from the Patriot, allowing them to target the system using the hypersonic missile, known as the Kinzhal or Killjoy. blueskyt 发表于 2023-05-16 16:52
Patriot system has minimal damage following Russian attack near Kyiv on Tuesday, US officials say From CNN's Natasha Bertrand and Jim Sciutto The damage to a Patriot air defense system following a Russian missile attack near Kyiv on Tuesday morning is minimal, three US officials tell CNN, with one official describing it as "minor" damage. The US sent inspectors to examine the system on Tuesday, after being told by the Ukrainians that the system appeared to have been damaged, one official said. The system itself is still operational, the officials said, and the radar component of the Patriot, one of its most important elements, was not damaged. US officials do not believe the Patriot will need to be removed from the battlefield for repairs. A complete Patriot battery has six major components: generators, a radar set, a control station, antennas, a launcher station and interceptor missiles. The components operate together to fire a Patriot missile and successfully guide it to its target. It is not clear what part of the Patriot was damaged or if it was damaged by an actual missile strike or falling debris. The Ukrainians said they successfully intercepted all six Russian Kinzhal missiles on Tuesday morning. Yurii Ihnat, spokesperson for Ukraine’s Air Force Command, has told Ukrainian TV that the US-made Patriot air defense system could not be destroyed by a Kinzhal missile. "Do not worry about the fate of the Patriot. From a technical point of view, Patriot is a ... system," he said, noting that it consisted of components that can be located at a distance from one another.
Russian hypersonic weapons creators arrested for treason The wave of treason cases that swept Russia after the start of the war in Ukraine has reached the largest scientific center of the Russian defense industry. Three scientists from the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics in Novosibirsk, were arrested one after another by law enforcement officers under an article that now carries a maximum penalty of a life sentence, which came into effect this year. They were involved in the development of hypersonic aircraft. On Tuesday, May 16, Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics employees published an open letter in which they announced the arrest on suspicion of treason of Valery Zvyagintsev, a doctor of technical sciences and chief researcher who founded the high-speed aerodynamics laboratory at the institute. Zvyagintsev has been under house arrest on 7 April. His supervisor, Alexandr Shiplyuk, the chief of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics, was placed in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center in August of last year, a few days after the arrest of Anatoly Maslov, the chief researcher. Both were charged under the same Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, high treason. Maslov was suspected of transferring data related to hypersonic technologies to China.Shiplyuk and Maslov worked on hypersonic missiles for more than 10 years. They presented the experimental design of such a weapon back in 2012 at a scientific seminar in France. Four years later, a work jointly authored by two scientists appeared on aerodynamic research at hypersonic speeds. In total, 16 people were prosecuted in the Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, known for its strong potential in physics and mathematics, including Aleksandr Aseev, the former head and academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences. One of the scientists, 54-year-old Dmitry Kolker, the head of the laboratory of quantum optical technologies at the Novosibirsk State University, died in the Moscow pre-trial detention center shortly after his arrest by FSS officers.
Russian hypersonic weapons creators arrested for treason The wave of treason cases that swept Russia after the start of the war in Ukraine has reached the largest scientific center of the Russian defense industry. Three scientists from the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics in Novosibirsk, were arrested one after another by law enforcement officers under an article that now carries a maximum penalty of a life sentence, which came into effect this year. They were involved in the development of hypersonic aircraft. On Tuesday, May 16, Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics employees published an open letter in which they announced the arrest on suspicion of treason of Valery Zvyagintsev, a doctor of technical sciences and chief researcher who founded the high-speed aerodynamics laboratory at the institute. Zvyagintsev has been under house arrest on 7 April. His supervisor, Alexandr Shiplyuk, the chief of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics, was placed in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center in August of last year, a few days after the arrest of Anatoly Maslov, the chief researcher. Both were charged under the same Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, high treason. Maslov was suspected of transferring data related to hypersonic technologies to China.Shiplyuk and Maslov worked on hypersonic missiles for more than 10 years. They presented the experimental design of such a weapon back in 2012 at a scientific seminar in France. Four years later, a work jointly authored by two scientists appeared on aerodynamic research at hypersonic speeds. In total, 16 people were prosecuted in the Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, known for its strong potential in physics and mathematics, including Aleksandr Aseev, the former head and academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences. One of the scientists, 54-year-old Dmitry Kolker, the head of the laboratory of quantum optical technologies at the Novosibirsk State University, died in the Moscow pre-trial detention center shortly after his arrest by FSS officers.
desktop 发表于 2023-05-18 00:29
这是美国媒体吧。怎么什么事情都能扯上中国？我们中国不背这个锅。 Maslov was suspected of transferring data related to hypersonic technologies to China. 这简直是赤裸裸的破坏中俄关系么。如果超音速是真的，俄国是冤大头，如果那超音速是假的，中国是冤大头。
真实神操作，这样以来，各取所需，多赢，人人都赢了。
没有163年那么久，海参崴是1911年全面排华的，之前在那有上万华人生活。张作霖手下大将张宗昌就是在海参崴发家的。
这是你自己在带风向吧？ 即使你发的历次战争，但你也要看是否有授权北约或美国以武力解决 弟第二次伊拉克战争和叙利亚战争科索沃战争就明显没有授权 其次人家国家领导人都是民选上台的，代表的都是国家，你却偏偏说代表他们个人 你的言论无法说服众人
又不給錢 武器又不好使 還整天想吞併
乌军前进2公里算俄军兵败如山倒 乌军丢了整个大部分市区，也算俄军兵败如山倒 话说乌军不赢麻有点难度 算了下在你们眼里乌军不赢麻的概率无限接近于0
愛國 所以恨黨
愛炎黃 所以恨 馬列
愛中國祖先 所以討厭 猶太牌位
不矛盾
请问怎么看出兵败如山倒的啊？ 现在电报群都是乌军已经开始从Bakhumt撤军的最新消息了，只剩下几个楼的根据地了。
巴赫穆特 面積 41.6平方公里 三天收復了 17.3平方公里 那就是三天收復了 41.6%
所以 根號 1730 是 41.6 真巧
烏軍收復巴赫姆特 俄羅斯認了：撤至更有利位置 10:352023/05/13 中時新聞網 黃凡甄
烏克蘭軍方日前指出，俄羅斯的部隊已從巴赫姆特部分地區撤退2公里，昨（12）日俄羅斯國防部也證實，部分軍隊已後撤到「更有利的防守位置」，是過去10個月以來，首度承認烏軍「成功」收復失地。 綜合路透社、《衛報》報導，俄羅斯國防部發言人科納申科夫（Igor Konashenkov）指出，烏克蘭動用超過1,000名士兵和40輛坦克，在巴赫姆特北部地區發動攻勢，規模是過去7個月以來最大的一次。俄軍成功抵禦26次進攻，但在西北部郊區村莊別爾希夫卡（Berkhivka）附近，部分軍隊「為了重新整隊，已向後撤退到更有利的位置」。
烏克蘭的軍情匯報也顯示正在推進對俄羅斯軍隊的包圍。烏東的烏軍發言人奇列瓦蒂（Serhiy Cherevatyi）表示，過去幾天烏克蘭在巴赫姆特的東部及南部地區展開反攻，「解放了17.3平方公里的領土」。 俄羅斯在當地主要戰力「瓦格納集團」首腦普里格津（Yevgeny Prigozhin）則是痛批，國防部所謂的重新整隊，更貼切的說法是「潰逃」，並要求國防部「不要再騙了…我們的側翼正在崩潰...這對俄羅斯來說將是一場悲劇」。 普里格津並指出，烏軍在巴赫姆特的攻勢可以視為「反攻已經開始」，不過烏克蘭當局盡可能淡化這樣的假設。澤倫斯基日前稱，烏軍還需要更多時間來準備，儲備彈藥和重型武器。美國非營利智庫「海軍分析中心」（CNA）俄羅斯軍事專家考夫曼（Michael Kofman）則是認為，烏克蘭似乎正派遣較次要的部隊發動小規模攻擊，在巴赫姆特消耗俄軍的戰力，而真正的大反攻「可能會出現在其他地方」。
要不是换了李奇微，搞不好就真搞了。
US assessing potential damage of Patriot missile defense system following Russian attack near Kyiv From CNN's Natasha Bertrand A US-made Patriot system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time, a United States official tells CNN. The US is still assessing the extent of the damage, the official said. That will determine whether the system needs to be pulled back entirely or simply repaired on the spot by the Ukrainians. Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday in a post on Telegram that “a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system.” Ukrainian officials said on Tuesday that they successfully intercepted all six hypersonic missiles fired by the Russians, but the Ukrainian military declined to comment on the Russians’ claim that a Patriot system was hit. “We cannot comment on this. We'll stay out of commenting on Russian sources,” Ukrainian air force spokesperson Serhiy Ihnat said. Ukraine currently has two Patriot air defense systems in the country, one donated by the US and the other donated jointly by Germany and the Netherlands. It is unclear which of those systems was potentially damaged. Some context: Russia has targeted the systems with hypersonic missiles before, US officials told CNN last week, including once on May 4. That attack failed, and Ukrainians successfully intercepted the missile before it could hit the Patriot, the officials said. But US officials believe the Russians have been able to pick up on signals that are emitted from the Patriot, allowing them to target the system using the hypersonic missile, known as the Kinzhal or Killjoy.
我原本也是不信的，一个弹药库哪来的20亿美元弹药
但刚刚看了个视频，貌似昨晚乌克兰一个防空基地，爱国者导弹像火箭炮这样几分钟发出去几十发。。 一发500万美元，这就是1亿多美金没了。。
这么看起来，如果这个弹药库里都是些英美防空导弹之类的高档货，搞不准还真有可能上10亿美元。。
无论是韩战还是越战，美国的战略其实都是只想打有限战争
才5年 最起码10年
美国的目的是阻止萨达姆用欧元交易石油，这个目的达到了
爱国者导弹一年只能制造250个，已经是极限了，以前每年制造一百多个。
我怎么觉得这导弹没啥用啊，多发射一些一般的导弹，一下子把这些反导弹都用完了。而且感觉乌克兰城市里的大多军事目标可能都不值500万。
当时也是老毛子坚决反对。后来中苏翻脸，苏联也想核平中国，美国坚决反对。中国这个大肉包子谁看不顺眼的时候都想给吃掉。
我有支持他们杀伤性无人机的捐助，在乌克兰境内叫angry birid... 纽约这边是Dignitas Ukraine Inc， mailing:
Dignitas PO Box 150602 Brooklyn, NY 11215-0602
林彪著名的一号命令就是当时因应苏联可能的核打击而发出的，中央高层领导都到全国各处疏散
深挖洞，广积粮，不称霸的口号也是那时候喊出来的
这么重要的东西不可能临时再确定 😂
乌军冲过去算赢麻， 俄军反推回算no big deal, 就是这么任性
这个版上主流意见不是说巴克姆特整个城市都是nothing burger 么， 怎么郊区俩亩农田就兴奋宣布俄军兵败如山倒
大妈易满足体质？
一个爱国者系统包含十几辆车，分散在好几平方公里范围内，怎么可能一次全部击毁
乌克兰有两套Patriot system 其中一套因为导弹打光了受到损害 另外一套没有问题
但是两套系统距离非常远，不具有互补性。
这个系统叫爱国者，肯定没什么用。 改个名字叫爱国贼，就厉害了。
俄罗斯的导弹也不是无穷无尽的。不管是导弹还是反导弹系统，都是要烧钱。但明显俄罗斯的钱没有欧美的雄厚啊，所以这仗怎么打？另外俄罗斯最先进的导弹都攻击不了乌克兰，这对俄罗斯的士气影响会很大的。相当于对手防御非常好，同时还拿到不少进攻的武器，你说人慌不慌？ 今天乌克兰又反推了二十多公里。按照这个势头下去，说不定胜利撤退的情形又会重现了。
乌克兰用美国的鱼饵导弹+英国阴影风暴导弹 已经成功的突破了俄国最先进导弹防御系统 英国这款最新式的GPS精确制导也是世界上第一次试验 有效范围200公里 可以说乌克兰已经不需要地面肉搏战了 就是等待英国大量生产这款世界上最先进的中程导弹 然后很可能重新历史上 英法联军+土库曼 VS 沙俄帝国 的克里米亚战争
英国的这个导弹，被鹅毛成功拦截了，lol
刚刚练手
2023-05-17 10:14:27 来源：环球网 小 大 分享微信微博
据英国《卫报》、法新社报道，俄罗斯国防部15日首次宣布，击落了乌克兰军队发射的一枚远程“风暴阴影”巡航导弹，该导弹是由英国提供的。 报道称，俄国防部发言人科纳申科夫当天在公布每日战况时宣布了上述消息。他表示，过去24小时内，俄防空系统拦截了7枚“哈姆”反辐射导弹，1枚“风暴阴影”远程巡航导弹”，以及由“海马斯”发射的10枚炮弹。
美国的问题是， 军工大佬们的利润太高
假设美元人民币汇率1：7 美国一枚爱国者早期型一百万美元打不住，爱国者3已经6-8百万美元， 而中国一枚红旗9才两百万人民币
这种情况下同等军费自然土共装备实力更强
不是打光，而是被无人机，口径巡航导弹和匕首联合起来饱和攻击了，说明一套爱国者系统能够同时应对的上限大概就是十几个目标。
看视频最后一发拦截弹在低空爆炸，紧接着地面出现爆炸，说明没能将导弹完全摧毁，然后导弹残骸在发射车附近爆炸了
不过爱国者值钱的是雷达车和指挥车，被击伤一辆发射车补充起来没那么困难
这嘴炮一张20公里， 尼玛20公里该夺回巴特穆克市区了吧
我觉得也是。克里米亚战争大部分时候沙俄都是弱势。 但是就是最后沙俄打了几百年彻底拿下了黑海入海口和大部分今天的乌克兰
我个人觉得拼无人机最划算。上面放只有几公里的近距离导弹和炸弹就可以了。炸弹炸人，导弹炸设施和坦克。即使被地对空导弹打下来也不亏。
一般导弹都是对着雷达发射车的，因为能捕捉到雷达发射信号。爱国者系统雷达是发射接收分开的还是一体的我懒得查了。
实力演绎落后就得挨打。靠一身傲骨是不行的。
苏联和俄罗斯真的是亲身替土工趟雷了。
是啊 无人机相对来说很便宜。
Patriot system has minimal damage following Russian attack near Kyiv on Tuesday, US officials say
From CNN's Natasha Bertrand and Jim Sciutto The damage to a Patriot air defense system following a Russian missile attack near Kyiv on Tuesday morning is minimal, three US officials tell CNN, with one official describing it as "minor" damage. The US sent inspectors to examine the system on Tuesday, after being told by the Ukrainians that the system appeared to have been damaged, one official said. The system itself is still operational, the officials said, and the radar component of the Patriot, one of its most important elements, was not damaged. US officials do not believe the Patriot will need to be removed from the battlefield for repairs. A complete Patriot battery has six major components: generators, a radar set, a control station, antennas, a launcher station and interceptor missiles. The components operate together to fire a Patriot missile and successfully guide it to its target. It is not clear what part of the Patriot was damaged or if it was damaged by an actual missile strike or falling debris. The Ukrainians said they successfully intercepted all six Russian Kinzhal missiles on Tuesday morning. Yurii Ihnat, spokesperson for Ukraine’s Air Force Command, has told Ukrainian TV that the US-made Patriot air defense system could not be destroyed by a Kinzhal missile. "Do not worry about the fate of the Patriot. From a technical point of view, Patriot is a ... system," he said, noting that it consisted of components that can be located at a distance from one another.
爱国者系统是这样的，车和车之间隔了好几公里，网上流传的视频只能看到导弹发射的位置，网上流传的视频里面30发导弹应该是来自两台发射车，雷达车离的还很远
今天美国方面派专家检查，爱国者系统受到轻微损伤可以继续运行，应该就是我说的，视频里面最后一发低空拦截的导弹残骸在发射车附近炸了
不是俄羅斯一國 後面
剩上 有無天哈版的 支援
問題是這個支援 一千億美元會爛大尾 三千億美元才能成大事
沙俄學的是歐洲西方菁英那一套 可以成事
普丁學的是共產黨打砸搶鬥爭那一套 可以爛尾
某银行遭到犯罪分子打劫， 柜员被逼着交给了歹徒三百万。。。
第二天新闻报道， 本市发生银行抢劫案，一千二百万人民币被劫匪截走， 公安局奖励五万元给提供线索的市民。。。。
行长回家难得地跟老妻亲热了一回， 说，可算逃过这劫了，三年了。。。。
俄罗斯背后还有一个希望它被列强拖死的战友，给它递各种刀子棍子长毛。。。。
The wave of treason cases that swept Russia after the start of the war in Ukraine has reached the largest scientific center of the Russian defense industry. Three scientists from the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics in Novosibirsk, were arrested one after another by law enforcement officers under an article that now carries a maximum penalty of a life sentence, which came into effect this year. They were involved in the development of hypersonic aircraft. On Tuesday, May 16, Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics employees published an open letter in which they announced the arrest on suspicion of treason of Valery Zvyagintsev, a doctor of technical sciences and chief researcher who founded the high-speed aerodynamics laboratory at the institute. Zvyagintsev has been under house arrest on 7 April. His supervisor, Alexandr Shiplyuk, the chief of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics, was placed in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center in August of last year, a few days after the arrest of Anatoly Maslov, the chief researcher. Both were charged under the same Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, high treason. Maslov was suspected of transferring data related to hypersonic technologies to China.Shiplyuk and Maslov worked on hypersonic missiles for more than 10 years. They presented the experimental design of such a weapon back in 2012 at a scientific seminar in France. Four years later, a work jointly authored by two scientists appeared on aerodynamic research at hypersonic speeds.
In total, 16 people were prosecuted in the Siberian branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, known for its strong potential in physics and mathematics, including Aleksandr Aseev, the former head and academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences. One of the scientists, 54-year-old Dmitry Kolker, the head of the laboratory of quantum optical technologies at the Novosibirsk State University, died in the Moscow pre-trial detention center shortly after his arrest by FSS officers.
这个毫无疑问地说明 乌克兰拦截7枚俄supersonic missiles的消息是真实的 美爱国者已经找到破解饿超音速导弹的方法了
看清楚，去年八月就被抓了
这是美国媒体吧。怎么什么事情都能扯上中国？我们中国不背这个锅。
Maslov was suspected of transferring data related to hypersonic technologies to China.
这简直是赤裸裸的破坏中俄关系么。如果超音速是真的，俄国是冤大头，如果那超音速是假的，中国是冤大头。
我开始也这样推论的。仔细读新闻发现这三个设计者两个都是去年夏天就被抓了，第三个是今年春天被抓的。都在导弹被爱国者拦截之前。
现在明白了，敢情这些造谣机器就在本版啊， 看这个层主
這就是替馬克思主義研發 高尖武器的下場
俄國自己早就測試過了
技能get
不光是免费测试，还给了美国军火商最好的广告机会
乌克兰居民拍摄俄罗斯2枚超高音速导弹攻击乌克兰，乌克兰2分钟内发射32颗爱国者导弹防御失败，结果放上网络后被抓，被判刑，好像是8年。 据称32枚爱国者导弹有8枚失误，而2枚俄罗斯导弹如入无人之境入地。
爱国者导弹的命中率非常低。
乌克兰巴特穆特反攻是假议题，现在瓦格纳已经控制了绝大部分地区，乌克兰只剩下一条街的区间了。
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乌从来没说过巴特穆特反攻，说的是总体的反攻。至于反攻时间嘛，兵不厌诈，乌克兰不会像美军一样将时间表公布与众的。
爱国者导弹防御视频没看过不予评论。
乌克兰在巴特穆特只剩下一条街不假。听听王所说的欧洲（英国冬季）真惨我是很有疑意的。在美国，新冠引起并发症死亡都是算新冠死亡的，王说英国统计新冠引起并发症死亡是不算新冠死亡的，没有什么根据，在这点王就不可信。
至于乌俄之战，王美化俄的旧坦克上战场后勤一点没问题也没人相信。48小时闪电战结果呢？当年去基辅几十英里的车队也没问题吗？基辅攻下来了吗？俄军死了这么多将军也是乌克兰宣传的吗？
没错的俄有3X乌军，但俄坦克经不起Javelin敲打也是大家看到的吧？没先进的重武器，100X 人都没啥用的。
现在像你这样子还相信乌克兰会反攻的大妈已经不多了，且相信且珍惜
我又没说过我相信，I will believe it when I see it.
你一个武汉市的状元，这么wishful thinking，要和人家投资大佬睿大妈好好学学。
一下发射32颗爱国者导弹不可能吧。本身只有两台，每台能一下发射4枚导弹。再装弹要花时间
你在说什么胡话？ 乌克兰日子比俄罗斯厚？俄罗斯GDP都重回世界第八了，过万亿了。 欧美这一年总共给乌克兰支援了估计也就千八百亿，还是军火折价（很贵的），同时乌克兰乌东没了，乌西被打了个稀巴烂，还有个屁的日子。
乌克兰自然比俄罗斯弱小。但问题是乌克兰有欧美拖底啊。每年都有经济援助，想打多久打多久。并且美国共和党的头头也说了，就算共和党上台也会继续援助乌克兰的。 俄罗斯的经济现在怎么样，别看俄方的数字，要看看当地人怎么说。欧美经济制裁一天不解除，俄罗斯经济一天就好不了。再加上战场上的消耗。 不信的话再等三年五年看看。
普京需要你这样的参谋。
援助也好，制裁也好，自己也是会受到损失的。你好像忽略了欧美会愿意这么消耗下去多久的问题。
这不是你死我活的直接打仗，不存在“只要我损失的比你少就是我赢“的问题。。。
这是唯一几个多方确认的消息就是发射30+导弹
爱国者系统一阵”super cum” （基辅市长原话） 然后爱国者系统被击中
所以乌克兰宣传的爱国者拦截所有匕首肯定是假的
那就继续打被 赢麻了
爱国者导弹一年生产不到300发，一发5米。我很好奇到底是钱先用完还是导弹先用完。
标准不一样，
乌军只要进去争议地段， 在狗粮眼里就算赢麻 俄军必须占领100% ， 把所有用乌克兰国旗拍抖音的都杀光， 也才算self claim progress, 狗粮还是会说俄方假消息
在狗粮嘴里， 2公里郊外农田算俄军兵败如山倒 俄军在市区占领95+% 算乌军虽败犹胜
脸皮这么厚的人，很难不赢麻
所以现在乌是要坚持打啊。一个小小的阿富汗都能把把前苏联拖垮，何况乌克兰呢？ 并且欧盟最近有动向把没收的俄的资产用来援助乌了。
老蔣會輸是因為被美國 禁運了
老毛靠的是 史達林 轉運的 美國租借法案 跟 日本關東軍的好東西
所以事後老毛 只能讓史達林要啥都給啥
俄軍是去用大砲拆市中心房子
烏軍是去打仗的
访问结束，将前往日本 参加 G7 会议
https://twitter.com/safarier777/status/1659585943744184320?s=46&t=h07xK5JS3BhsMnzw8iNOSQ
https://twitter.com/safarier777/status/1659608941670850560?s=46&t=h07xK5JS3BhsMnzw8iNOSQ
这都是因为乌军的优秀表现让世界刮目相看。
美国已经增加产能。美国不但要援助乌克兰爱国者，还要援助台湾爱国者。
欧洲目前 最有战斗力的一个国家
非常同意！
战后乌克兰经济发展一定会非常快。
華爾街日報報導，烏軍目前壓箱底仍有約二十個旅尚未投入戰鬥，仍在訓練攻堅戰術 烏軍希望俄軍在巴赫姆特消耗到力竭，再發動反攻
烏軍軍情局下轄的Artan營就是其中一個預備隊的營，去年夏季從70人擴充至350人， 只有五分之一的人員有服役經驗，包含一些近期才從其他單位轉調來的人 烏軍軍情局的特戰部隊過往極度難以加入，但是目前稍微降低門檻以便大肆招兵買馬
Artan營去年曾參加哈爾科夫作戰；今年大部分在訓練，也有兩度派人支援巴赫姆特 該營三月派去巴赫姆特支援的62人，有一人陣亡、27人受傷(已有11人康復歸隊) Artan營裝備精良(M4、熱像儀、Glock 17)，訓練也很精實(每天打靶400發)
怎么这么多？本来我记得美国泄露的情报里面乌军反攻是十个新编的突击旅
最新消息，瓦格纳经过48小时不间断的血战又打下了儿童医院和巴赫穆特工业学院，现在乌军只控制着1-2%的巴赫穆特市区。不出意外的话48小时内瓦格纳将占领整个巴赫穆特城区。
下围棋的知道“金角银边草肚皮”。
俄军占了中心，而乌军占了周边。
在马林卡和它东面的顿涅茨克之间，活跃着一支乌军游击队。前几天游击队员们炸掉了当地俄军燃料供应库。
这十几辆坦克并非是由于自身性能不足而被摧毁，它们是由于没有燃料了无法移动而被乌军火炮击毁。
请见下图：马林卡目前被俄军占领，而马林卡东面蓝色斜纹区是乌军游击队活动区。