https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/05/09/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-33/ Q What message does it send to the world that we’re now three weeks away from a potential default and it is still completely unclear how this is going to be resolved? MS. JEAN-PIERRE: So, look, the United State is not a deadbeat nation. The President ma- — has made that very clear. We have never failed to pay our bills, and we should not do this now. Congress must do its job and prevent a default. And, look, this — if there was a default, it would be a gift to China, to Russia, and to other competitors. That’s what we’re saying here. That’s what House Republicans are saying. If they were to default, it would be a gift to them. Let me just give you a little bit about what the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, said, who, as you all know, the head of the intelligence community. She testified last week to Congress, and she said the following: Both Russia and China would look to use a default to demonstrate “the chaos within the United States, that we’re not capable of functioning as a democracy…” Default would “create global uncertainty about the value of the U.S. dollar and the U.S. institutions and leadership, leading to volatility in currency and financial markets and commodity markets that are priced in dollars.” China and Russia “would look to take advantage of the opportunity” if we were to default. That’s what congressional Republicans are threatening. That’s what they are potentially going to really put us into a tailspin if they don’t actually do their jobs — really simple — do their jobs and avoid default. Go ahead. 一开始看到新闻，我以为是假的。查了白宫网站，确实是真话，不是被黑。 仔细一看意思是，如果美债违约，就等于给中俄做了一个靶子，展示了美国的问题。所以如果出了问题，那就是你们GOP的锅。。。。。 所以，这不是不要脸，而是党争高于国家脸面的意思，用国家的脸面来逼迫对手党派屈服？ 真不知道这位发言人是水平高呢，还是人够实诚。真的有点开眼了的感觉。各美债持有的国家政府听了不知道心里作何感想。
巴马老克都涨啊（见下） 从里根开始就没有停过，与党派无关，每届都是想怎么涨就怎么涨。 这届想修宪玩狠的，所以才更加热烈一些。 https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-who-raised-the-debt-ceiling-3321770 Under Obama the debt ceiling increased: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama's first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act; by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009; by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010; by $2.106 trillion to $16.4 trillion in January 2012; by $300 billion to $16.7 trillion in May 2013; by $500 billion (including auto-adjust) to $17.2 trillion in February 2014; by $900 billion to $18.1 trillion in March 2015. Under Clinton the debt ceiling increased: by $225 billion to $4.37 trillion in April 1993; by $530 billion to $4.9 trillion four months later, in August 1993; by $600 billion to $5.5 trillion two years and seven months later, in March 1996; and by $450 billion to $5.95 trillion 17 months later, in August 1997
巴马老克都涨啊（见下） 从里根开始就没有停过，与党派无关，每届都是想怎么涨就怎么涨。 这届想修宪玩狠的，所以才更加热烈一些。 https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-who-raised-the-debt-ceiling-3321770 Under Obama the debt ceiling increased: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama's first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act; by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009; by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010; by $2.106 trillion to $16.4 trillion in January 2012; by $300 billion to $16.7 trillion in May 2013; by $500 billion (including auto-adjust) to $17.2 trillion in February 2014; by $900 billion to $18.1 trillion in March 2015. Under Clinton the debt ceiling increased: by $225 billion to $4.37 trillion in April 1993; by $530 billion to $4.9 trillion four months later, in August 1993; by $600 billion to $5.5 trillion two years and seven months later, in March 1996; and by $450 billion to $5.95 trillion 17 months later, in August 1997
巴马老克都涨啊（见下） 从里根开始就没有停过，与党派无关，每届都是想怎么涨就怎么涨。 这届想修宪玩狠的，所以才更加热烈一些。 https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-who-raised-the-debt-ceiling-3321770 Under Obama the debt ceiling increased: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama''''s first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act; by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009; by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010; by $2.106 trillion to $16.4 trillion in January 2012; by $300 billion to $16.7 trillion in May 2013; by $500 billion (including auto-adjust) to $17.2 trillion in February 2014; by $900 billion to $18.1 trillion in March 2015. Under Clinton the debt ceiling increased: by $225 billion to $4.37 trillion in April 1993; by $530 billion to $4.9 trillion four months later, in August 1993; by $600 billion to $5.5 trillion two years and seven months later, in March 1996; and by $450 billion to $5.95 trillion 17 months later, in August 1997
rureal 发表于 2023-05-10 11:11
这样吧，我来帮你填全一点： https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-who-raised-the-debt-ceiling-3321770 Under Trump the debt ceiling increased: by $1.7 trillion to $19.8 trillion (de facto) in March 2017, by $2.2 trillion to $22 trillion in March 2019. Trump suspended the debt ceiling in August 2019, through July 2021. At the time of the 2020 election, the national debt stood at over $27 trillion, the fastest rate of increase of the national debt of any modern president. Under Obama the debt ceiling increased: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama''''s first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act; by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009; by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010; by $2.106 trillion to $16.4 trillion in January 2012; by $300 billion to $16.7 trillion in May 2013; by $500 billion (including auto-adjust) to $17.2 trillion in February 2014; by $900 billion to $18.1 trillion in March 2015. Under Bush the debt ceiling increased: by $450 billion to $6.4 trillion in June 2002; by $984 billion to $7.384 trillion 11 months later, in May 2003; by $800 billion to $8.184 trillion 18 months later, in November 2004; by $781 billion to $8.965 trillion 16 months later, in March 2006; by $850 billion to $9.815 trillion 18 months later, in September 2007; by $800 billion to $10.615 trillion 10 months later, in July 2008; and by $700 billion to $11.315 trillion three months later, in October 2008. Under Clinton the debt ceiling increased: by $225 billion to $4.37 trillion in April 1993; by $530 billion to $4.9 trillion four months later, in August 1993; by $600 billion to $5.5 trillion two years and seven months later, in March 1996; and by $450 billion to $5.95 trillion 17 months later, in August 1997 Under Bush the debt ceiling increased: by $70 billion to $2.87 trillion in August 1989; by $252.7 billion to $3.1227 trillion three months later, in November 1989; by $107.3 billion to $3.23 trillion 11 months later, in October 1990; and by $915 billion to $4.145 trillion one month later, in November 1990. Under Reagan the debt ceiling was raised to:$985 billion in February 1981; $999.8 billion in September 1981; $1.0798 trillion September 1981; $1.1431 trillion in June 1982; $1.2902 trillion in September 1982; $1.389 trillion in May 1993; $1.49 trillion in November 1983; $1.52 trillion in May 1984; $1.573 trillion in July 1984; $1.8238 trillion in October 1984; $1.9038 trillion in November 1985; $2.0787 trillion in December 1985; $2.111 trillion in August 1986; $2.3 trillion in October 1986; $2.32 trillion in July 1987; $2.352 trillion in August 1987; and $2.8 trillion in September 1987.
国债的来源。Under Bush, 两场战争. Under 奥巴马， 2009年经融危机。Under Trump， tax cuts- permanent for rich, temporary for middle. Under Trump and Biden, Covid. 再去看看GOP的谈判条件。以cut social benefit 做法宝。这次成功了，以后所有的social safety net就都是谈判的法宝。也许还有移民法。
国债的来源。Under Bush, 两场战争. Under 奥巴马， 2009年经融危机。Under Trump， tax cuts- permanent for rich, temporary for middle. Under Trump and Biden, Covid. 再去看看GOP的谈判条件。以cut social benefit 做法宝。这次成功了，以后所有的social safety net就都是谈判的法宝。也许还有移民法。 Water_lily 发表于 2023-05-11 08:12
Q What message does it send to the world that we’re now three weeks away from a potential default and it is still completely unclear how this is going to be resolved? MS. JEAN-PIERRE: So, look, the United State is not a deadbeat nation. The President ma- — has made that very clear. We have never failed to pay our bills, and we should not do this now. Congress must do its job and prevent a default.
And, look, this — if there was a default, it would be a gift to China, to Russia, and to other competitors. That’s what we’re saying here. That’s what House Republicans are saying. If they were to default, it would be a gift to them.
Let me just give you a little bit about what the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, said, who, as you all know, the head of the intelligence community.
She testified last week to Congress, and she said the following: Both Russia and China would look to use a default to demonstrate “the chaos within the United States, that we’re not capable of functioning as a democracy…” Default would “create global uncertainty about the value of the U.S. dollar and the U.S. institutions and leadership, leading to volatility in currency and financial markets and commodity markets that are priced in dollars.” China and Russia “would look to take advantage of the opportunity” if we were to default.
That’s what congressional Republicans are threatening. That’s what they are potentially going to really put us into a tailspin if they don’t actually do their jobs — really simple — do their jobs and avoid default. Go ahead.
一开始看到新闻，我以为是假的。查了白宫网站，确实是真话，不是被黑。
仔细一看意思是，如果美债违约，就等于给中俄做了一个靶子，展示了美国的问题。所以如果出了问题，那就是你们GOP的锅。。。。。
所以，这不是不要脸，而是党争高于国家脸面的意思，用国家的脸面来逼迫对手党派屈服？
真不知道这位发言人是水平高呢，还是人够实诚。真的有点开眼了的感觉。各美债持有的国家政府听了不知道心里作何感想。
本来人家的意思就是说，GOP现在搞这个，就是党争，让外人看笑话
这些都是无耻。无耻的具体方式不同而已。
这不是说各国的争斗。
这意思是迫使GOP让步。不然让外国看了我们美国的笑话，就是GOP的责任。
中国持有那么多美债 一旦违约中国损失多少啊 为啥是送礼?
难道别人偷了你的钱或不还钱是给你送礼?
欠债不还，还好意思说成是给中俄送礼，从国际上说也是有点不要脸。无耻。
两党争斗，谁也不让，都不想解决任何问题，都只想让对方背锅。也是无耻。
里里外外都是挺无耻的。
https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-who-raised-the-debt-ceiling-3321770
Under Obama the debt ceiling increased: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama's first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act; by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009; by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010; by $2.106 trillion to $16.4 trillion in January 2012; by $300 billion to $16.7 trillion in May 2013; by $500 billion (including auto-adjust) to $17.2 trillion in February 2014; by $900 billion to $18.1 trillion in March 2015.
Under Clinton the debt ceiling increased: by $225 billion to $4.37 trillion in April 1993; by $530 billion to $4.9 trillion four months later, in August 1993; by $600 billion to $5.5 trillion two years and seven months later, in March 1996; and by $450 billion to $5.95 trillion 17 months later, in August 1997
估计会在5-31晚上双方达成妥协吧。
但是这样难道真的可以永远玩的下去吗？直到玩不下去的一天，结果会是什么？
结果就是所有美债持有国全部损失啊
这些国家当然也不是蠢蛋。所以现在大家都开始尽可能derisk,减持美债不是吗。
只是一时半会儿也减不了多少。实在被压的没办法的像日本就还得继续买。像中国扛得住压力的，估计就不买了。
这样子，感觉就是会加速问题的恶化？
美债违约对美国一点损失都没有 人家美元换物资早就享受了。
但是没必要违约, 直接印美元不就结了。 For sure 31日达成协议。
没打算一直玩下去，预演结束了，这届就是打算修宪。
这么天真？不知道和政府挂钩的美国人的生计都是由政府向联储借的？ 美债只有拿来发养老金发医保发社会福利的那部分会损失，因为只有那部分会在现有的天花板之上。
赖账不还是给债主送礼，无耻到这种程度？
这个部分是priority最低的？如果真违约，这部分先损失？
这部分是政府最可以卡的，一卡就可以获得民意支持推动政策无限印。 就没看见任何地方说给其它国家的钱要受影响。
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/10/debt-limit-fight-social-security-checks/70194085007/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/here-s-a-plan-for-paying-social-security-medicare-and-military-if-debt-ceiling-is-reached/ar-AA1aWMRr
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rhettbuttle/2023/05/10/the-debt-ceiling-showdown-what-it-is--what-it-means-for-business/?sh=77d4eb722976
咬死让日本韩国买。吃了日韩救美国是理想状态
要列单子是不是列得全面点，为啥跳过布什和川普？选择性无视？
即使对外国的支付没有受影响，我猜如果美债一旦出现一次default，也会严重影响credit吧。
这样吧，我来帮你填全一点：
https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents-who-raised-the-debt-ceiling-3321770
Under Trump the debt ceiling increased: by $1.7 trillion to $19.8 trillion (de facto) in March 2017, by $2.2 trillion to $22 trillion in March 2019. Trump suspended the debt ceiling in August 2019, through July 2021. At the time of the 2020 election, the national debt stood at over $27 trillion, the fastest rate of increase of the national debt of any modern president.
Under Obama the debt ceiling increased: by $789 billion to $12.104 trillion in February 2009, Obama''''s first year in office, under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act; by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion ten months later, in December 2009; by $1.9 trillion to $14.294 trillion two months later, in February 2010; by $2.106 trillion to $16.4 trillion in January 2012; by $300 billion to $16.7 trillion in May 2013; by $500 billion (including auto-adjust) to $17.2 trillion in February 2014; by $900 billion to $18.1 trillion in March 2015.
Under Bush the debt ceiling increased: by $450 billion to $6.4 trillion in June 2002; by $984 billion to $7.384 trillion 11 months later, in May 2003; by $800 billion to $8.184 trillion 18 months later, in November 2004; by $781 billion to $8.965 trillion 16 months later, in March 2006; by $850 billion to $9.815 trillion 18 months later, in September 2007; by $800 billion to $10.615 trillion 10 months later, in July 2008; and by $700 billion to $11.315 trillion three months later, in October 2008.
Under Clinton the debt ceiling increased: by $225 billion to $4.37 trillion in April 1993; by $530 billion to $4.9 trillion four months later, in August 1993; by $600 billion to $5.5 trillion two years and seven months later, in March 1996; and by $450 billion to $5.95 trillion 17 months later, in August 1997
Under Bush the debt ceiling increased: by $70 billion to $2.87 trillion in August 1989; by $252.7 billion to $3.1227 trillion three months later, in November 1989; by $107.3 billion to $3.23 trillion 11 months later, in October 1990; and by $915 billion to $4.145 trillion one month later, in November 1990.
Under Reagan the debt ceiling was raised to: $985 billion in February 1981; $999.8 billion in September 1981; $1.0798 trillion September 1981; $1.1431 trillion in June 1982; $1.2902 trillion in September 1982; $1.389 trillion in May 1993; $1.49 trillion in November 1983; $1.52 trillion in May 1984; $1.573 trillion in July 1984; $1.8238 trillion in October 1984; $1.9038 trillion in November 1985; $2.0787 trillion in December 1985; $2.111 trillion in August 1986; $2.3 trillion in October 1986; $2.32 trillion in July 1987; $2.352 trillion in August 1987; and $2.8 trillion in September 1987.
现在的政治正确就类似于明朝圣人大道理, 现在的美国就类似于明朝末年.
感觉川普类似魏忠贤, 什么黑锅都给往上扣 魏忠贤算不得什么大奸大恶，他只是适时的出现，以疾风暴雨的方式修正了东林党前期的错误。在那8年时间里，魏忠贤用非常手段逼迫东林党背后的势力交税，让国库大大的充盈，也正因为这个原因，后世史学家总认为如果崇祯没有处理魏忠贤，大明绝不至于在崇祯17年亡国。
堕落了。以前国内媒体和网民啥都想往“境外势力”联系，美国也慢慢的变成这德性了，自信心下降的表现
一个卖女儿的太监都有人洗，川粉也太离谱了
川普不知道 魏忠贤这个好像是看到过这种说法
连秦桧，希特勒都有人洗，魏忠贤算什么
人人持枪是为了对付中国的发展，这个理由怕是不久的将来就会出来了
看图，只能说，一届更比一届强啊！
每天都刷新下限，撒泼打滚的，大厦将倾啊
坚定派都要回国了？
你知道美国联邦政府最大的unfunded liability 是什么吗？Social Security and Medicare. 这俩如果停止支付根本不算default. 当然决定赖账这俩的政客会被老百姓活剥皮，但是…it’s not default.
一句话：美国离debt default 还远着呢，但是老百姓不懂，于是政客就挥着这面小旗吓唬人。
美债不会违约到不还的程度，因为是以美元本币发行的，但是可以技术性违约，类似2011年，产生的恶果就是金融市场动荡和国际社会对美国主导的美元体系进一步的不信任。所以白宫说的话没有错，美债技术性违约就是给中俄送大礼包。
这两者停止支付，老百姓不是更恐惧么？
另外可以印钱避开default不？
遍地开花的留学机构，挖空心思要把孩子往美国送 .
留学机构要赚钱呀
再去看看GOP的谈判条件。以cut social benefit 做法宝。这次成功了，以后所有的social safety net就都是谈判的法宝。也许还有移民法。
你这个描述有点模糊啊，布什任期里的两场战争是他发起的。奥巴马上任之前金融危机就已经开始了，他的整个任期都是在给前任擦屁股，完全不同性质吧？至于川普，他是2017年上任的，2020年三月COVID才开始，他的前几年都是在乘奥巴马辛苦八年扭转出来的好经济
白宫这话说的一点没错。美债违约，美元信誉受损，捡便宜的是中俄。
那么多小留花了大笔父母的钱中国美国的工作都找不到， 就是因为这些把美加澳吹的象童话世界一样的留学机构。
呵呵。是享受到了
然后以后呢？
人家两三代人白吃白喝全世界当奴隶打遍天下无敌手。 然后又怎样? 奴隶造反了, 了不起回归正常状态, 自己干活养活自己。 怎么看也没输。
人数逐年下降了。要看数据。