世界银行最新预测报告真丧啊,全球经济黄金期结束,未来10年凄惨暗淡

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understandu
楼主 (北美华人网)
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2023/03/27/global-economy-s-speed-limit-set-to-fall-to-three-decade-low
Global Economy’s “Speed Limit” Set to Fall to Three-Decade Low

Systemic Banking Crises, Recessions Have Lasting Effects on Growth, Development WASHINGTON, March 27, 2023—The global economy’s “speed limit”—the maximum long-term rate at which it can grow without sparking inflation—is set to slump to a three-decade low by 2030. An ambitious policy push is needed to boost productivity and the labor supply, ramp up investment and trade, and harness the potential of the services sector, a new World Bank report shows. The report, Falling Long-Term Growth Prospects: Trends, Expectations, and Policies, offers the first comprehensive assessment of long-term potential output growth rates in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These rates can be thought of as the global economy’s “speed limit.” The report documents a worrisome trend: nearly all the economic forces that powered progress and prosperity over the last three decades are fading. As a result, between 2022 and 2030 average global potential GDP growth is expected to decline by roughly a third from the rate that prevailed in the first decade of this century—to 2.2% a year. For developing economies, the decline will be equally steep: from 6% a year between 2000 and 2010 to 4% a year over the remainder of this decade. These declines would be much steeper in the event of a global financial crisis or a recession. “A lost decade could be in the making for the global economy,” said Indermit Gillthe World Bank’s Chief Economist and Senior Vice President for Development Economics. “The ongoing decline in potential growth has serious implications for the world’s ability to tackle the expanding array of challenges unique to our times—stubborn poverty, diverging incomes, and climate change. But this decline is reversible. The global economy’s speed limit can be raised—through policies that incentivize work, increase productivity, and accelerate investment.” The analysis shows that potential GDP growth can be boosted by as much as 0.7 percentage points—to an annual average rate of 2.9%—if countries adopt sustainable, growth-oriented policies. That would convert an expected slowdown into an acceleration of global potential GDP growth. “We owe it to future generations to formulate policies that can deliver robust, sustainable, and inclusive growth,” said Ayhan Kose, a lead author of the report and Director of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “A bold and collective policy push must be made now to rejuvenate growth. At the national level, each developing economy will need to repeat its best 10-year record across a range of policies. At the international level, the policy response requires stronger global cooperation and a reenergized push to mobilize private capital.” The report lays out an extensive menu of achievable policy options, breaking new ground in several areas. It introduces the world’s first comprehensive public database of multiple measures of potential GDP growth—covering 173 economies from 1981 through 2021. It is also the first to assess how a range of short-term economic disruptions—such as recessions and systemic banking crises—reduce potential growth over the medium term. “Recessions tend to lower potential growth,” said Franziska Ohnsorge, a lead author of the report and Manager of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “Systemic banking crises do greater immediate harm than recessions, but their impact tends to ease over time.” The report highlights specific policy actions at the national level that can make an important difference in promoting long-term growth prospects: Align monetary, fiscal, and financial frameworks: Robust macroeconomic and financial policy frameworks can moderate the ups and downs of business cycles. Policymakers should prioritize taming inflation, ensuring financial-sector stability, reducing debt, and restoring fiscal prudence. These policies can help countries attract investment by instilling investor confidence in national institutions and policymaking. Ramp up investment: In areas such as transportation and energy, climate-smart agriculture and manufacturing, and land and water systems, sound investments aligned with key climate goals could enhance potential growth by up to 0.3 percentage point per year as well as strengthen resilience to natural disasters in the future. Cut trade costs: Trade costs—mostly associated with shipping, logistics, and regulations—effectively double the cost of internationally traded goods today. Countries with the highest shipping and logistics costs could cut their trade costs in half by adopting the trade-facilitation and other practices of countries with the lowest shipping and logistics costs. Trade costs, moreover, can be reduced in climate-friendly ways—by removing the current bias toward carbon-intensive goods inherent in many countries’ tariff schedules and by eliminating restrictions on access to environmentally friendly goods and services. Capitalize on services: The services sector could become the new engine of economic growth. Exports of digitally delivered professional services related to information and communications technology climbed to more than 50% of total services exports in 2021, up from 40%in 2019. The shift could generate important productivity gains if it results in better delivery of services.   Increase labor force participation: About half of the expected slowdown in potential GDP growth through 2030 will be attributable to changing demographics—including a shrinking working-age population and declining labor force participation as societies age. Boosting overall labor force participation rates by the best ten-year increase on record could increase global potential growth rates by as much as 0.2 percentage point a year by 2030. In some regions—such as South Asia and the Middle East and North Africa—increasing female labor force participation rates to the average for all emerging market and developing economies could accelerate potential GDP growth by as much as 1.2 percentage points a year between 2022 and 2030. The report also underscores the need to strengthen global cooperation. International economic integration has helped to drive global prosperity for more than two decades since 1990, but it has faltered. Restoring it is essential to catalyze trade, accelerate climate action, and mobilize the investments needed to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals.
大老鹅
只怕不只十年。
从川普开始,美国领导小弟们,开始了以政治指导经济的运动。中国人应该都能预测这样下去的结果。
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minqidev
只怕不只十年。
从川普开始,美国领导小弟们,开始了以政治指导经济的运动。中国人应该都能预测这样下去的结果。
大老鹅 发表于 2023-03-30 14:19

中国6年前就开始准备内循环了,现在从俄罗斯到中东,从东南亚到非洲,再到南美。所有国家都在开始准备了。 就像有的人说的,一直觉得某人是小学生,但是内循环这个超前的概念,很早就提出来了。
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Silverwing
唉。真希望来个变故 比如发现个外星生命什么的 把大家的目标调整下
现在这样老大老二闹腾, 后面一群起哄的的内卷模样, 整个世界愁云惨淡
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Wendysun12
中国6年前就开始准备内循环了,现在从俄罗斯到中东,从东南亚到非洲,再到南美。所有国家都在开始准备了。 就像有的人说的,一直觉得某人是小学生,但是内循环这个超前的概念,很早就提出来了。
minqidev 发表于 2023-03-30 14:24

也别吹什么一枝独秀了, 世银这个报道基本上就是全球谁也没好日子过了,大家都得勒勒裤腰带了。
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terrine
美国领导的全球化失败,后面是各自抱团过家家。
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NoahCheng
最近刷知乎看他们找工作,哪里都没有中国现在情况那么烂了,未来一年比一年差
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tuer
本来要换屋顶的… 我看我是不是再等两年,毕竟预测recession 2025年到来…
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zorrozhang
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2023/03/27/global-economy-s-speed-limit-set-to-fall-to-three-decade-low
Global Economy’s “Speed Limit” Set to Fall to Three-Decade Low

Systemic Banking Crises, Recessions Have Lasting Effects on Growth, Development WASHINGTON, March 27, 2023—The global economy’s “speed limit”—the maximum long-term rate at which it can grow without sparking inflation—is set to slump to a three-decade low by 2030. An ambitious policy push is needed to boost productivity and the labor supply, ramp up investment and trade, and harness the potential of the services sector, a new World Bank report shows. The report, Falling Long-Term Growth Prospects: Trends, Expectations, and Policies, offers the first comprehensive assessment of long-term potential output growth rates in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These rates can be thought of as the global economy’s “speed limit.” The report documents a worrisome trend: nearly all the economic forces that powered progress and prosperity over the last three decades are fading. As a result, between 2022 and 2030 average global potential GDP growth is expected to decline by roughly a third from the rate that prevailed in the first decade of this century—to 2.2% a year. For developing economies, the decline will be equally steep: from 6% a year between 2000 and 2010 to 4% a year over the remainder of this decade. These declines would be much steeper in the event of a global financial crisis or a recession. “A lost decade could be in the making for the global economy,” said Indermit Gillthe World Bank’s Chief Economist and Senior Vice President for Development Economics. “The ongoing decline in potential growth has serious implications for the world’s ability to tackle the expanding array of challenges unique to our times—stubborn poverty, diverging incomes, and climate change. But this decline is reversible. The global economy’s speed limit can be raised—through policies that incentivize work, increase productivity, and accelerate investment.” The analysis shows that potential GDP growth can be boosted by as much as 0.7 percentage points—to an annual average rate of 2.9%—if countries adopt sustainable, growth-oriented policies. That would convert an expected slowdown into an acceleration of global potential GDP growth. “We owe it to future generations to formulate policies that can deliver robust, sustainable, and inclusive growth,” said Ayhan Kose, a lead author of the report and Director of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “A bold and collective policy push must be made now to rejuvenate growth. At the national level, each developing economy will need to repeat its best 10-year record across a range of policies. At the international level, the policy response requires stronger global cooperation and a reenergized push to mobilize private capital.” The report lays out an extensive menu of achievable policy options, breaking new ground in several areas. It introduces the world’s first comprehensive public database of multiple measures of potential GDP growth—covering 173 economies from 1981 through 2021. It is also the first to assess how a range of short-term economic disruptions—such as recessions and systemic banking crises—reduce potential growth over the medium term. “Recessions tend to lower potential growth,” said Franziska Ohnsorge, a lead author of the report and Manager of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “Systemic banking crises do greater immediate harm than recessions, but their impact tends to ease over time.” The report highlights specific policy actions at the national level that can make an important difference in promoting long-term growth prospects: Align monetary, fiscal, and financial frameworks: Robust macroeconomic and financial policy frameworks can moderate the ups and downs of business cycles. Policymakers should prioritize taming inflation, ensuring financial-sector stability, reducing debt, and restoring fiscal prudence. These policies can help countries attract investment by instilling investor confidence in national institutions and policymaking. Ramp up investment: In areas such as transportation and energy, climate-smart agriculture and manufacturing, and land and water systems, sound investments aligned with key climate goals could enhance potential growth by up to 0.3 percentage point per year as well as strengthen resilience to natural disasters in the future. Cut trade costs: Trade costs—mostly associated with shipping, logistics, and regulations—effectively double the cost of internationally traded goods today. Countries with the highest shipping and logistics costs could cut their trade costs in half by adopting the trade-facilitation and other practices of countries with the lowest shipping and logistics costs. Trade costs, moreover, can be reduced in climate-friendly ways—by removing the current bias toward carbon-intensive goods inherent in many countries’ tariff schedules and by eliminating restrictions on access to environmentally friendly goods and services. Capitalize on services: The services sector could become the new engine of economic growth. Exports of digitally delivered professional services related to information and communications technology climbed to more than 50% of total services exports in 2021, up from 40%in 2019. The shift could generate important productivity gains if it results in better delivery of services.   Increase labor force participation: About half of the expected slowdown in potential GDP growth through 2030 will be attributable to changing demographics—including a shrinking working-age population and declining labor force participation as societies age. Boosting overall labor force participation rates by the best ten-year increase on record could increase global potential growth rates by as much as 0.2 percentage point a year by 2030. In some regions—such as South Asia and the Middle East and North Africa—increasing female labor force participation rates to the average for all emerging market and developing economies could accelerate potential GDP growth by as much as 1.2 percentage points a year between 2022 and 2030. The report also underscores the need to strengthen global cooperation. International economic integration has helped to drive global prosperity for more than two decades since 1990, but it has faltered. Restoring it is essential to catalyze trade, accelerate climate action, and mobilize the investments needed to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals.

understandu 发表于 2023-03-30 13:51

哎,我们这代中年人太惨。正是积累财富的阶段,结果全球经济进入萧条期,而且还是10年。不知道这10年能积累多少财富
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oneoneyy
哎,我们这代中年人太惨。正是积累财富的阶段,结果全球经济进入萧条期,而且还是10年。不知道这10年能积累多少财富
zorrozhang 发表于 2023-03-30 14:31

如果你刚工作几年,是比较惨,但华人上大部分人都45~50岁了吧,已经工作不少年了,有一定积累了。怎么说都不算惨的了。
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Silverwing
哎,我们这代中年人太惨。正是积累财富的阶段,结果全球经济进入萧条期,而且还是10年。不知道这10年能积累多少财富
zorrozhang 发表于 2023-03-30 14:31

80后 最惨儿童, 一胎化,被父母给予厚望使劲折腾,死去活来 最惨少年, 高考挤独木桥死去活来 最惨青年,大学毕业找工漫天大水的大学生,死去活来 最惨中年, 被上面逼着搞二胎三胎, 同时以2人身躯扛一窝孩子加4个老人



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laohua001
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2023/03/27/global-economy-s-speed-limit-set-to-fall-to-three-decade-low
Global Economy’s “Speed Limit” Set to Fall to Three-Decade Low

Systemic Banking Crises, Recessions Have Lasting Effects on Growth, Development WASHINGTON, March 27, 2023—The global economy’s “speed limit”—the maximum long-term rate at which it can grow without sparking inflation—is set to slump to a three-decade low by 2030. An ambitious policy push is needed to boost productivity and the labor supply, ramp up investment and trade, and harness the potential of the services sector, a new World Bank report shows. The report, Falling Long-Term Growth Prospects: Trends, Expectations, and Policies, offers the first comprehensive assessment of long-term potential output growth rates in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These rates can be thought of as the global economy’s “speed limit.” The report documents a worrisome trend: nearly all the economic forces that powered progress and prosperity over the last three decades are fading. As a result, between 2022 and 2030 average global potential GDP growth is expected to decline by roughly a third from the rate that prevailed in the first decade of this century—to 2.2% a year. For developing economies, the decline will be equally steep: from 6% a year between 2000 and 2010 to 4% a year over the remainder of this decade. These declines would be much steeper in the event of a global financial crisis or a recession. “A lost decade could be in the making for the global economy,” said Indermit Gillthe World Bank’s Chief Economist and Senior Vice President for Development Economics. “The ongoing decline in potential growth has serious implications for the world’s ability to tackle the expanding array of challenges unique to our times—stubborn poverty, diverging incomes, and climate change. But this decline is reversible. The global economy’s speed limit can be raised—through policies that incentivize work, increase productivity, and accelerate investment.” The analysis shows that potential GDP growth can be boosted by as much as 0.7 percentage points—to an annual average rate of 2.9%—if countries adopt sustainable, growth-oriented policies. That would convert an expected slowdown into an acceleration of global potential GDP growth. “We owe it to future generations to formulate policies that can deliver robust, sustainable, and inclusive growth,” said Ayhan Kose, a lead author of the report and Director of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “A bold and collective policy push must be made now to rejuvenate growth. At the national level, each developing economy will need to repeat its best 10-year record across a range of policies. At the international level, the policy response requires stronger global cooperation and a reenergized push to mobilize private capital.” The report lays out an extensive menu of achievable policy options, breaking new ground in several areas. It introduces the world’s first comprehensive public database of multiple measures of potential GDP growth—covering 173 economies from 1981 through 2021. It is also the first to assess how a range of short-term economic disruptions—such as recessions and systemic banking crises—reduce potential growth over the medium term. “Recessions tend to lower potential growth,” said Franziska Ohnsorge, a lead author of the report and Manager of the World Bank’s Prospects Group. “Systemic banking crises do greater immediate harm than recessions, but their impact tends to ease over time.” The report highlights specific policy actions at the national level that can make an important difference in promoting long-term growth prospects: Align monetary, fiscal, and financial frameworks: Robust macroeconomic and financial policy frameworks can moderate the ups and downs of business cycles. Policymakers should prioritize taming inflation, ensuring financial-sector stability, reducing debt, and restoring fiscal prudence. These policies can help countries attract investment by instilling investor confidence in national institutions and policymaking. Ramp up investment: In areas such as transportation and energy, climate-smart agriculture and manufacturing, and land and water systems, sound investments aligned with key climate goals could enhance potential growth by up to 0.3 percentage point per year as well as strengthen resilience to natural disasters in the future. Cut trade costs: Trade costs—mostly associated with shipping, logistics, and regulations—effectively double the cost of internationally traded goods today. Countries with the highest shipping and logistics costs could cut their trade costs in half by adopting the trade-facilitation and other practices of countries with the lowest shipping and logistics costs. Trade costs, moreover, can be reduced in climate-friendly ways—by removing the current bias toward carbon-intensive goods inherent in many countries’ tariff schedules and by eliminating restrictions on access to environmentally friendly goods and services. Capitalize on services: The services sector could become the new engine of economic growth. Exports of digitally delivered professional services related to information and communications technology climbed to more than 50% of total services exports in 2021, up from 40%in 2019. The shift could generate important productivity gains if it results in better delivery of services.   Increase labor force participation: About half of the expected slowdown in potential GDP growth through 2030 will be attributable to changing demographics—including a shrinking working-age population and declining labor force participation as societies age. Boosting overall labor force participation rates by the best ten-year increase on record could increase global potential growth rates by as much as 0.2 percentage point a year by 2030. In some regions—such as South Asia and the Middle East and North Africa—increasing female labor force participation rates to the average for all emerging market and developing economies could accelerate potential GDP growth by as much as 1.2 percentage points a year between 2022 and 2030. The report also underscores the need to strengthen global cooperation. International economic integration has helped to drive global prosperity for more than two decades since 1990, but it has faltered. Restoring it is essential to catalyze trade, accelerate climate action, and mobilize the investments needed to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals.

understandu 发表于 2023-03-30 13:51

听他扯淡 只要没有战争,未来10年是地球经济大发展的10年
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Silverwing
听他扯淡 只要没有战争,未来10年是地球经济大发展的10年

laohua001 发表于 2023-03-30 14:37

美国现在这么折腾不就是因为知道公平和平的竞争搞不过兔子吗
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wyzds

近几年看各个国家,政客的各种骚操作,国家之间的战争,缅甸柬埔寨被骗子骗去逼着骗人的骗子,人性的各种丑恶尽显,在感叹需要暂别人类最好时期的同时,也更加理解了叶文洁对人类的失望,为什么就不能集全世界人类的智慧在有限的地球上创造尽量美好的生活?归根结底还是人类的欲望无穷无尽,欲壑难填。
希望这只是暂别,最终会重回并且超越过去的辉煌。
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calrose
全人类都不想脚踏实地的做事和干活的那天起,就注定这个结局了。社会不动荡,不打仗,就是万幸了,现代人已经不是古人了,断一星期的电,就没办法活了。
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moonandsixpence
中国6年前就开始准备内循环了,现在从俄罗斯到中东,从东南亚到非洲,再到南美。所有国家都在开始准备了。 就像有的人说的,一直觉得某人是小学生,但是内循环这个超前的概念,很早就提出来了。
minqidev 发表于 2023-03-30 14:24

光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?
吃鸡蛋
本来要换屋顶的… 我看我是不是再等两年,毕竟预测recession 2025年到来…
tuer 发表于 2023-03-30 14:30

2025 你更换不起了
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laohua001
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49

国内经济支柱是 在生产线上的工人 田里的农民 讲台上的教师 实验室里的科学家 。。。。。。
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oneoneyy
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49

比亚迪一家,2022年净利润150亿了。
半个马和甲
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只能再次坐等AI , nuclear fusion plus big thinker /philosopher 拯救未來了。
科學家,思想家,人類需要你們😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
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Tina_tgif
国内经济支柱是 在生产线上的工人 田里的农民 讲台上的教师 实验室里的科学家 。。。。。。
laohua001 发表于 2023-03-30 14:51

你说的这些国内从80年代就有了,那时人民过的是什么日子你知道吗?国内人民真正过上好日子是加入WTO 以后的事情,说句不客气的话,没有资本家推动的globalization 就没有中国人民现在的财富
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jiajia2018
你说的这些国内从80年代就有了,那时人民过的是什么日子你知道吗?国内人民真正过上好日子是加入WTO 以后的事情,说句不客气的话,没有资本家推动的globalization 就没有中国人民现在的财富
Tina_tgif 发表于 2023-03-30 15:16

资本逐利就是本能性的。
但是就是看看巴西过去20年的经济发展,你也知道不是有资本和资本主义的地方,就是欣欣向荣的。国家和政府也得干一点人事才行。
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woyaoshou
中国6年前就开始准备内循环了,现在从俄罗斯到中东,从东南亚到非洲,再到南美。所有国家都在开始准备了。 就像有的人说的,一直觉得某人是小学生,但是内循环这个超前的概念,很早就提出来了。
minqidev 发表于 2023-03-30 14:24

这些东西不可能都是“小学生”一个人设计的。中共高层自有战略决策层,大老板也就是最后拍板。
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liuxiaobao
一切的一切都从TRUMP的贸易战开始。 傻逼一个。
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castleonsands
世界总是超出人类智力的预测能力的,或许下面十年是人工智能摧枯拉朽的提高生产效率的时代,谁知道呢?
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Cath226
如果你刚工作几年,是比较惨,但华人上大部分人都45~50岁了吧,已经工作不少年了,有一定积累了。怎么说都不算惨的了。
oneoneyy 发表于 2023-03-30 14:35

那如果不幸就是最惨的这批怎么办。
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liuxiaobao
回复 21楼Tina_tgif的帖子
主要还是内部要把重心放到经济上来。 中国人很聪明的,只要自己不扯淡,经济发展是早晚的事情。 80年以前,扯了太多政治的蛋。
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Silverwing
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49

国内的经济支柱是每一个愿意踏实干活的普通人
美国最大的问题是愿意踏实干活的人太少
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Cath226
一切的一切都从TRUMP的贸易战开始。 傻逼一个。
liuxiaobao 发表于 2023-03-30 15:50

首先,我是很反感川普的。 但是,我内心里觉得,贸易战并不完全是川普的锅,整个世界其实都在de-globalization。如果当时是另一总统在位,就能保证继续大力推进globalization吗?我看大概率未必。Biden上台了,川普的那些政策也没改过来啊。
川普是个小丑不假,但他顶多是个催化剂。underlying的很多问题,早就存在了。世界也不止中国和美国在脱钩,其他国家搞类似动作的不少。所以不止美国有川普,英国、巴西,统统有川普。川普某种程度上,是一种现象。
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edge2.0
中国6年前就开始准备内循环了,现在从俄罗斯到中东,从东南亚到非洲,再到南美。所有国家都在开始准备了。 就像有的人说的,一直觉得某人是小学生,但是内循环这个超前的概念,很早就提出来了。
minqidev 发表于 2023-03-30 14:24

把消费能力最大的一群的未来大部分收入捆绑在房贷上,这就是为将来内循环做准备的大招哈。
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rindo
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49

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fasionfans
确实是啊
游戏人生
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49

出口本来占中国经济的比重就很小好吧
星河锦浪
08年的危机就过了好多年才缓过来
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Namama
你说的这些国内从80年代就有了,那时人民过的是什么日子你知道吗?国内人民真正过上好日子是加入WTO 以后的事情,说句不客气的话,没有资本家推动的globalization 就没有中国人民现在的财富
Tina_tgif 发表于 2023-03-30 15:16

中国2001年加入WTO 1978-2001之间的20来年,每年经济增长依然接近10%


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Namama
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49


这张图看得懂吗??
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Namama
首先,我是很反感川普的。 但是,我内心里觉得,贸易战并不完全是川普的锅,整个世界其实都在de-globalization。如果当时是另一总统在位,就能保证继续大力推进globalization吗?我看大概率未必。Biden上台了,川普的那些政策也没改过来啊。
川普是个小丑不假,但他顶多是个催化剂。underlying的很多问题,早就存在了。世界也不止中国和美国在脱钩,其他国家搞类似动作的不少。所以不止美国有川普,英国、巴西,统统有川普。川普某种程度上,是一种现象。
Cath226 发表于 2023-03-30 16:03

谁说整个世界都在de-globalization? 没看中国这些年都签了多少自贸协定了?
贸易战真心就是川普的锅。。
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kaydee204
哎,我们这代中年人太惨。正是积累财富的阶段,结果全球经济进入萧条期,而且还是10年。不知道这10年能积累多少财富
zorrozhang 发表于 2023-03-30 14:31

这届中年人太惨了 啥烂事都赶上了 真他妈要赤条条来赤条条去吗?
红色中留
知道了,知道了,大家要勒紧裤腰带过紧日子了。
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Beingyourself
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Beingyourself
广东,浙江,江苏,福建经济都严重衰退,不是一般衰退。 继续折腾二年,肯定会饿死人的。
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eda2k4
光说没用,现在经济如果不依赖出口才算数。
我倒是真想知道现在国内经济支柱是啥?

moonandsixpence 发表于 2023-03-30 14:49

据说中国将是世界经济的火车头,中国经济增长1%带动东南亚增长0.3%。
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eda2k4
广东,浙江,江苏,福建经济都严重衰退,不是一般衰退。 继续折腾二年,肯定会饿死人的。
Beingyourself 发表于 2023-03-30 23:45

全靠同行陪衬,和别的国家一比,又鹤立鸡群了
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ylzhang
一切的一切都从TRUMP的贸易战开始。 傻逼一个。
liuxiaobao 发表于 2023-03-30 15:50

这个疯子真是要把世界搞垮
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bigsnail
中国3月份官方非制造业PMI升至58.2,连续三个月扩张
3月份非制造业商务活动指数为58.2,高于上月1.9个百分点,连续三个月位于景气区间,为近年高点。 此前2月该PMI为56.3,比上月升1.9个百分点,创2021年3月以后新高;1月为54.4,环比急升12.8个百分点,重返扩张区间,触底回升。2021年3月也是56.3。 去年12月份非制造业商务活动指数为41.6,比上月降5.1个百分点,连续三个月萎缩。

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Beingyourself
中国3月份官方非制造业PMI升至58.2,连续三个月扩张
3月份非制造业商务活动指数为58.2,高于上月1.9个百分点,连续三个月位于景气区间,为近年高点。 此前2月该PMI为56.3,比上月升1.9个百分点,创2021年3月以后新高;1月为54.4,环比急升12.8个百分点,重返扩张区间,触底回升。2021年3月也是56.3。 去年12月份非制造业商务活动指数为41.6,比上月降5.1个百分点,连续三个月萎缩。


bigsnail 发表于 2023-03-31 00:52

等着统计局继续造假 这些都是可以预测到。
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Beingyourself
这是来自网络上,我只是转过来:
很多人认为马云的回国是支持民营企业的信号,实不知现在的民营企业因为受到政府打压和中美关系恶化的影响,已经危如累卵,这是海外爱国人士根本感受不到的。民营企业的危机已经积重难返,想重返十年前的盛世已无可能,产业链,供应链已经支离破碎。有实力的企业已经转往东南亚,大量的小型企业老板已经做好了收山的准备,营商环境持续的恶化,使得创业者无法继续下去。何老板觉得中国朋友很多?你们离开中国太久了,对现在的中国根本没有实质的了解。一个郭文贵让海外人士直呼大开眼界,可知现在国内这让的人已不鲜见。对中国基层的了解更是无从谈起,谈话必找专家,学者,红二代!这些人对中国的基层了解多少呢?岂不知现在中国基层孕育的矛盾和怒火,正在等待这个皇位上的小学生再次激发出来。连基层的干部喝醉了,都在酒桌上大声问候小学生的母亲。这样的环境继续下去,还有多少希望?基层政府现在连工资都不能发放,必须靠着拆迁,修路,罚款来补充金库,以供工资的保障。这些事情,海外的专家们你们知道吗?不知道就别讨论中国形势了!
薛定谔的猫屎
一切的一切都从TRUMP的贸易战开始。 傻逼一个。
liuxiaobao 发表于 2023-03-30 15:50

2019不会真成了我们这代人一辈子最好的一年吧
游戏人生
等着统计局继续造假 这些都是可以预测到。
Beingyourself 发表于 2023-03-31 00:56

你怎么这么双标,你前面发的那个图咋不说是统计局造假?
游戏人生
一二月份数据难看就兴奋的说中国要完了,三月份数据好看就说统计局造假,话都被你说了
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muscle086
你说的这些国内从80年代就有了,那时人民过的是什么日子你知道吗?国内人民真正过上好日子是加入WTO 以后的事情,说句不客气的话,没有资本家推动的globalization 就没有中国人民现在的财富
Tina_tgif 发表于 2023-03-30 15:16

真正推动的是市场这只看不见的手,资本家只是其中一个角色而已
馬甲997
你说的这些国内从80年代就有了,那时人民过的是什么日子你知道吗?国内人民真正过上好日子是加入WTO 以后的事情,说句不客气的话,没有资本家推动的globalization 就没有中国人民现在的财富
Tina_tgif 发表于 2023-03-30 15:16

反正三个馒头吃饱了,就是第三馒头的有用。以后只吃第三个就行了。前两个是浪费。
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Aywl
回复 21楼Tina_tgif的帖子
主要还是内部要把重心放到经济上来。 中国人很聪明的,只要自己不扯淡,经济发展是早晚的事情。 80年以前,扯了太多政治的蛋。
liuxiaobao 发表于 2023-03-30 15:59

个人体会,目前西方正在全方位地扯政治的蛋;
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herculefy259
究竟是不是疫情直接导致的?
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Aywl
中国2001年加入WTO 1978-2001之间的20来年,每年经济增长依然接近10%



Namama 发表于 2023-03-30 23:26

只能说1978年前的底子太差;因为搞政斗去了;
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terrine
过去几十年的发展全靠拥抱西方, 特别是美国日本大腿。
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centenario
世界银行报告每年都唱衰,没有例外
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feifeiduan
世界银行报告每年都唱衰,没有例外
centenario 发表于 2023-03-31 07:15

没错,世界银行的立场歪的,虽然它叫世界银行。
它说的是未来十年所谓的“黄金十亿人”生活前景惨淡,没错,发达国家的日子都不好过。可惜这世界上不是只有美国欧洲日本,而世界经济发展最大动能本身也早不在这些地方。
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qy9527
只能说1978年前的底子太差;因为搞政斗去了;
Aywl 发表于 2023-03-31 07:00

政斗的确有,但是不能否认1949年的中国大陆起点过低。 人均寿命三十多岁,人均GDP全球倒数,工业能力约等于零,外汇……黄金都被蒋介石拉到台湾去了。 比非洲都不如。 和印度比,印度那是名副其实的第三世界领袖,那可是完整的继承了大英帝国在印度的工业以及政府制度,中国除了人多点,真的算个屁,组成政府的那帮人都是临时搭台子,没啥大经验。 苏联把印度就能当兄弟,把同是社会主义国家的中国就是当儿子。
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dapingguo1234
美国现在这么折腾不就是因为知道公平和平的竞争搞不过兔子吗
Silverwing 发表于 2023-03-30 14:39

兔子是谁
公用马甲43
80后 最惨儿童, 一胎化,被父母给予厚望使劲折腾,死去活来 最惨少年, 高考挤独木桥死去活来 最惨青年,大学毕业找工漫天大水的大学生,死去活来 最惨中年, 被上面逼着搞二胎三胎, 同时以2人身躯扛一窝孩子加4个老人




Silverwing 发表于 2023-03-30 14:36

80后小时候一胎化,对能被生出来的那一个还是蛮幸福的,特别是女孩。而且当时大部人只要学校好好学就可以了,哪有那么多课后班。国家刚刚改革开放,爹妈都忙着挣钱,自己也没挤过独木桥,大多是散养,哪像现在这么卷。 高考确实比较挤,但是大学还是值钱的,大学毕业还没听说找不到工作的。而且当时中美关系融洽,选择到美国留学也都是来去自由,环境友好。没上大学的也赶上中国加入世贸,很多人过得也不错。 80后结婚的时候房价还没无理到完全买不起,父母很多自己有分配房或拆迁房没有买房压力,所以有余钱支持孩子,退休年龄也还比较早,可以帮带娃。 唯一比不上父母的就是被社会气氛推裹着必须鸡娃。 80后的整个成长过程就是中国GDP不断成长,社会也慢慢开放的过程。到目前为止都算是日子越过越好的,幸福值应该不会太差。 00后当下才是最惨的,高开低走。他们小时候似乎比较幸福,父母比较有经济基础教育程度也比较高,小时候也没有现在那么卷,大学又容易上。他们的转折是大学毕业,一毕业就失业,职业发展可能还不如他们70后的父母。要是有些父母自己都是好不容易买上个商品房,以后能有多少钱支持下一代。估计心理落差会比较大。也就是因为他们高开低走,自以为开开心心上个大学就该每天美美地坐办公室,也看不上80后的老土招聘领导,没想到大学生甚至研究生都已经烂大街了。中美关系也是越来越糟。中国经济动能越来越小,外部环境也不好,更不愿意出海吃苦。他们要是不调整心态自然会越过越差。


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ca563
过去几十年的发展全靠拥抱西方, 特别是美国日本大腿。
terrine 发表于 2023-03-31 07:14

美国也就罢了,日本算什么东西?米帝的一条狗,也配做大腿?
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terrine
美国也就罢了,日本算什么东西?米帝的一条狗,也配做大腿?
ca563 发表于 2023-03-31 09:05

当年毛主席感谢日本数次。
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ca563
你怎么这么双标,你前面发的那个图咋不说是统计局造假?
游戏人生 发表于 2023-03-31 03:07

因为中国统计局只会做坏数据,不会做好数据?
公用马甲43
当年毛主席感谢日本数次。
terrine 发表于 2023-03-31 09:07

他当然感谢了,要不是日本侵华有他什么事。
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redcy
干脆四天工作制,全体人民躺平算了,社会应该提倡更多的精神生活,以节俭朴素,享受生活为时尚。
公用马甲43
就美国现在这样的public education还科技战呢。。。
贝壳的贝
我们真是赶上了好时代。经济好不好都无所谓了,只要没战争。为孩子们祷告,希望他们这一代,不要经历战争。
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Namama
只能说1978年前的底子太差;因为搞政斗去了;
Aywl 发表于 2023-03-31 07:00

这里重要的一点是,中国经济腾飞并不是01年加入WTO后才开始的。。 加入WTO有帮助,但78-01的20多年,依然是每年10%增长,中国经济增长主要是内生性动力,这才是关键。。
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usayso
这种大格局对我等百万刀贫困线华人来说,就是个p
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Aywl
政斗的确有,但是不能否认1949年的中国大陆起点过低。 人均寿命三十多岁,人均GDP全球倒数,工业能力约等于零,外汇……黄金都被蒋介石拉到台湾去了。 比非洲都不如。 和印度比,印度那是名副其实的第三世界领袖,那可是完整的继承了大英帝国在印度的工业以及政府制度,中国除了人多点,真的算个屁,组成政府的那帮人都是临时搭台子,没啥大经验。 苏联把印度就能当兄弟,把同是社会主义国家的中国就是当儿子。
qy9527 发表于 2023-03-31 07:27

所以目前印度移民能在美英大放异彩,有历史的原因的;
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Immandfuel