且不说公民就枪权投票孰胜孰负，你这个问题本身就是对美国国体的无知： 美国不是一个democracy, 而是一个constitutional republic. 当初国父们搭建国体的时候是对纯粹民主颇有畏惧的，因为绝对的一人一票的民主很容易堕落成多数暴政（tyranny of majority). 所以才有federalists papers, 才有constitution convention, 才有Bill of Rights (first ten Amendments). 而且正是因为把Bill of Rights加到宪法里，对联邦政府的权力施加种种限制，十三个殖民地州才小心翼翼地通过了宪法，把部分权力上交给联邦政府。 枪权，就是这Bill of Rights里面的第二条。Any rights protected by the Constitution isn’t subject to a popular referendum, period.
且不说公民就枪权投票孰胜孰负，你这个问题本身就是对美国国体的无知： 美国不是一个democracy, 而是一个constitutional republic. 当初国父们搭建国体的时候是对纯粹民主颇有畏惧的，因为绝对的一人一票的民主很容易堕落成多数暴政（tyranny of majority). 所以才有federalists papers, 才有constitution convention, 才有Bill of Rights (first ten Amendments). 而且正是因为把Bill of Rights加到宪法里，对联邦政府的权力施加种种限制，十三个殖民地州才小心翼翼地通过了宪法，把部分权力上交给联邦政府。 枪权，就是这Bill of Rights里面的第二条。Any rights protected by the Constitution isn’t subject to a popular referendum, period. SAT 发表于 2023-03-30 19:31
exactly美国民主荒诞的地方。民调都是高比例支持控枪，所以绝大多数人的意志体现在哪里？是谁强奸了民众的意志？The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households.
President Joe Biden on Saturday signed the most sweeping gun violence bill in decades, a bipartisan compromise that seemed unimaginable until a recent series of mass shootings, including the massacre of 19 students and two teachers at a Texas elementary school。 The legislation will toughen background checks for the youngest gun buyers, keep firearms from more domestic violence offenders and help states put in place red flag laws that make it easier for authorities to take weapons from people adjudged to be dangerous. Most of its $13 billion cost will help bolster mental health programs and aid schools, which have been targeted in Newtown, Connecticut, and Parkland, Florida, and elsewhere in mass shootings. Biden said the compromise hammered out by a bipartisan group of senators from both parties “doesn’t do everything I want” but “it does include actions I’ve long called for that are going to save lives.” “I know there’s much more work to do, and I’m never going to give up, but this is a monumental day,” said the president, who was joined by his wife, Jill, a teacher, for the signing.
exactly美国民主荒诞的地方。民调都是高比例支持控枪，所以绝大多数人的意志体现在哪里？是谁强奸了民众的意志？The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households. lanoiry 发表于 2023-03-30 20:23
The bill, crafted by senators from both parties, would incrementally toughen requirements for young people to buy guns, deny firearms from more domestic abusers and help local authorities temporarily take weapons from people judged to be dangerous. It omits far tougher restrictions Democrats have long championed like a ban on assault-type weapons and background checks for all gun transactions, but is the most impactful firearms violence measure Congress has approved since enacting a now-expired assault weapons ban in 1993.、 贴这个只想说明，争论毫无意义，行胜于言。Texas shooting并非毫无意义，至少愤怒的民众推动了一小步控枪，尽管上面黑体指出的关键性的措施全部没有，但已经是1993年以来最有效的bill了。所以愤怒的群众并非毫无办法，只是千里之行始于足下。一点点微小的进步也是进步。 Every House Democrat and 14 Republicans — six of whom won’t be in Congress next year — voted for the measure. 能做的最有效的就是push红州的senators，representative，urge他们vote for tightening gun control，math就是这么work的，多一个vote yes的，少一个vote no的就更多一份控枪的可能。 But overall, fewer than one-third of GOP senators and just 1-in-15 House Republicans supported the measure. That means the fate of future congressional action on guns seems dubious, even as the GOP is expected to win House and possibly Senate control in the November elections. McConnell kept careful tabs on the negotiations that produced the bill and voted for it, partly in hopes it would attract moderate suburban voters whose support the GOP will need in its November bid for Senate control. In contrast, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., and other GOP leaders of the more conservative House opposed it.
The bill, crafted by senators from both parties, would incrementally toughen requirements for young people to buy guns, deny firearms from more domestic abusers and help local authorities temporarily take weapons from people judged to be dangerous. It omits far tougher restrictions Democrats have long championed like a ban on assault-type weapons and background checks for all gun transactions, but is the most impactful firearms violence measure Congress has approved since enacting a now-expired assault weapons ban in 1993.、 贴这个只想说明，争论毫无意义，行胜于言。Texas shooting并非毫无意义，至少愤怒的民众推动了一小步控枪，尽管上面黑体指出的关键性的措施全部没有，但已经是1993年以来最有效的bill了。所以愤怒的群众并非毫无办法，只是千里之行始于足下。一点点微小的进步也是进步。 Every House Democrat and 14 Republicans — six of whom won’t be in Congress next year — voted for the measure. 能做的最有效的就是push红州的senators，representative，urge他们vote for tightening gun control，math就是这么work的，多一个vote yes的，少一个vote no的就更多一份控枪的可能。 But overall, fewer than one-third of GOP senators and just 1-in-15 House Republicans supported the measure. That means the fate of future congressional action on guns seems dubious, even as the GOP is expected to win House and possibly Senate control in the November elections. McConnell kept careful tabs on the negotiations that produced the bill and voted for it, partly in hopes it would attract moderate suburban voters whose support the GOP will need in its November bid for Senate control. In contrast, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., and other GOP leaders of the more conservative House opposed it. lanoiry 发表于 2023-03-30 20:44
NRA花在lobby上那点钱真是九牛一毛，你看看美国各级选举花多少钱就知道了。所有枪支制造商加一起的市值都不到FAANG随便拎出来的一个零头。关键是美国拥枪的群众基础。美国自从concealed carry逐渐开放以来，个人拥枪并且天天佩枪的人越来越多。A right not exercised becomes a privilage的推论就是A right exercised more become more accepted and cherished. 当你自己经历各种政府部门的为难（尤其在蓝州），伸张自己权利腰里别着枪的时候，才知道自由来之不易。所以才有越来越多的州立法成为constitutional carry(不需要枪证，the only bar for concealed carry is at federal level). 这就是反枪派搞不明白的地方：美国其他方面的自由也许在退步，但是枪权从立法到司法都不断在进步。在这点上，美国这个民主社会从选票上达成了共识。控枪派越来越是少数。 You may not like it, but it is what it is. SAT 发表于 2023-03-30 01:11
且不说公民就枪权投票孰胜孰负，你这个问题本身就是对美国国体的无知： 美国不是一个democracy, 而是一个constitutional republic. 当初国父们搭建国体的时候是对纯粹民主颇有畏惧的，因为绝对的一人一票的民主很容易堕落成多数暴政（tyranny of majority). 所以才有federalists papers, 才有constitution convention, 才有Bill of Rights (first ten Amendments). 而且正是因为把Bill of Rights加到宪法里，对联邦政府的权力施加种种限制，十三个殖民地州才小心翼翼地通过了宪法，把部分权力上交给联邦政府。 枪权，就是这Bill of Rights里面的第二条。Any rights protected by the Constitution isn’t subject to a popular referendum, period. SAT 发表于 2023-03-30 19:31
好像是政府出面回购的，必须回购，所以才禁完了
谁是好人，谁是坏人？你说你是好人你就是吗？空口无凭。那些个mass shooter，在行凶前还不一样是“好人”？更何况现在买枪那么容易，背景调查根本起不到作用。而且为什么允许个人持有AR 15这种大杀伤力武器？手枪自卫不够吗？
再说了，现在大家要的是控枪，你们直接就跳出来说是禁枪，那是偷换概念。枪粉先来回答谁是好人的问题，再来bb
哟， 这会儿出来说： 你让一步就会让一百步。
那么南卡禁国人买地你们怎么辩护的？ 跟蓝皮公民无关是吧？你咋不说：你让一步就会让一百步。
“Semi-automatic pistol可以自动reload，不是普通的handgun”？这句话很好的印证了我说的“很多人叫着要禁枪，其实对枪非常不了解”。lol… 那请告诉大家什么是普通的handgun?左轮吗？
对枪支知识越多越反动。
对， 我也很喜欢公投， 可惜美国国父们制定了个傻叉 宪法， 把自己玩死了，根本没考虑公投， 精英治国， 初心很好， 没想到精英们 只会精于捞钱， 扯蛋蛋。
看来大家被媒体洗脑的很严重啊，本来步枪在所有枪支谋杀/误杀里就只占3%，AR-15占比就更少了，但媒体为了吸引眼球传播恐惧，故意妖魔化AR-15。 其实AR-15在步枪里威力算小的，就算真禁了，还有其他威力更大的半自动步枪比如.308口径的。要不也一起禁？接下来呢？Virginia Tech那个韩国人用了两把Glock，非常普通的半自动手枪，造成了美国历史上最致命的校园枪击（他面对的还是大学里的成年人）。所以半自动手枪是不是也得禁？那就剩下左轮了。但其实疯子变态真要去小学杀人，几把左轮再带一堆moon clip快速装弹，这威力也是惊人的，是不是左轮也要禁？那基本就是全面推翻2A了。 所以说其实为了减少校园枪击而控枪就是个伪命题，不可能达到目的的。最终只能是全面禁枪。要不然，就从别的角度下手，比如加强学校安保。
且不说公民就枪权投票孰胜孰负，你这个问题本身就是对美国国体的无知：
美国不是一个democracy, 而是一个constitutional republic. 当初国父们搭建国体的时候是对纯粹民主颇有畏惧的，因为绝对的一人一票的民主很容易堕落成多数暴政（tyranny of majority). 所以才有federalists papers, 才有constitution convention, 才有Bill of Rights (first ten Amendments). 而且正是因为把Bill of Rights加到宪法里，对联邦政府的权力施加种种限制，十三个殖民地州才小心翼翼地通过了宪法，把部分权力上交给联邦政府。
枪权，就是这Bill of Rights里面的第二条。Any rights protected by the Constitution isn’t subject to a popular referendum, period.
加强学校安保不就是让老师甚至学生持枪上学呗，正中NRA 下怀。
没有人妖魔化AR 15 。它的杀伤力远高于手枪是不争的事实。反正你们枪粉有二修护体，控枪是不可能的，只有继续让大家买更多的枪，人人持枪上街才是正解
嗯， 制定出这样一个漏洞百出的宪法还是颇费一番周折的， LOL
还有人在捧臭脚。
二修就是垃圾，三百年前可能有用，现在就是糟粕
当然， 只有 NRA 那帮弱智奉二修为 宝贝， 愚昧无知的可怕。
以现在政府的军事力量，全美国人都持枪上街也无法推翻政府。二修要真震慑集权政府，除非允许平民买战斗机坦克，这不是搞笑吗。现在的二修只是沦为枪支暴力的帮凶
而且你别说的有二修的美国就多么伟光正，民主程度独一无二似的。世界上民主国家多了去了，政府比美国更清廉的也很多，日本，欧洲发达国家为什么不需要二修这种糟粕？
南卡的事我说啥了？都没注意到有那么个话题。禁了有问题该中国驻美国大使出面，我也没资格代表他们啊。
exactly美国民主荒诞的地方。民调都是高比例支持控枪，所以绝大多数人的意志体现在哪里？是谁强奸了民众的意志？The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households.
The legislation will toughen background checks for the youngest gun buyers, keep firearms from more domestic violence offenders and help states put in place red flag laws that make it easier for authorities to take weapons from people adjudged to be dangerous. Most of its $13 billion cost will help bolster mental health programs and aid schools, which have been targeted in Newtown, Connecticut, and Parkland, Florida, and elsewhere in mass shootings. Biden said the compromise hammered out by a bipartisan group of senators from both parties “doesn’t do everything I want” but “it does include actions I’ve long called for that are going to save lives.” “I know there’s much more work to do, and I’m never going to give up, but this is a monumental day,” said the president, who was joined by his wife, Jill, a teacher, for the signing.
民主只是安慰剂， 做精神按摩的
贴这个只想说明，争论毫无意义，行胜于言。Texas shooting并非毫无意义，至少愤怒的民众推动了一小步控枪，尽管上面黑体指出的关键性的措施全部没有，但已经是1993年以来最有效的bill了。所以愤怒的群众并非毫无办法，只是千里之行始于足下。一点点微小的进步也是进步。
Every House Democrat and 14 Republicans — six of whom won’t be in Congress next year — voted for the measure. 能做的最有效的就是push红州的senators，representative，urge他们vote for tightening gun control，math就是这么work的，多一个vote yes的，少一个vote no的就更多一份控枪的可能。
But overall, fewer than one-third of GOP senators and just 1-in-15 House Republicans supported the measure. That means the fate of future congressional action on guns seems dubious, even as the GOP is expected to win House and possibly Senate control in the November elections. McConnell kept careful tabs on the negotiations that produced the bill and voted for it, partly in hopes it would attract moderate suburban voters whose support the GOP will need in its November bid for Senate control. In contrast, Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., and other GOP leaders of the more conservative House opposed it.
其实就是要控枪 坚决不能投gop 就这么简单
这不是不好意思说这么直白吗。。何况根基深的红州基本上靠华人也翻不了盘，但是至少摇摆州还是有希望。至于靠民智开化，版上很多人不是说了嘛，你们不能理解不让好人有枪的才是智商低，那你咋办呢你说，这不就是回答了楼主问题嘛。你说推进管理难吗？不难，数字明明白白告诉你什么党在propose控枪，propose了什么，多少人vote了yes，什么党在反对，反对了哪些，多少了vote了反对。至于怎么做，自己看着办吧。
你要理解有些人阅读能力不太行 你那大段大段的英文 那些人不一定看得懂呵呵
文章里面这一段其实挺有道理的： 。。。 除了禁枪控枪还能做点什么 说到这可能让很多人灰心丧气，难道住在美国就没得救了，只能心甘情愿的接受每天出门都可能被枪击的现实吗。客观的分析，恐怕还真是这么回事。但对于大多中国移民而言，也有两条实际可行的路可选： 第一条路，也是本文推荐的最佳手段，就是立刻回国，或者移民去别的国家。禁枪搞得好的国家，基本不需要担心被枪击。为了个人和家庭的安全，强烈推荐严肃考虑此方案，并且尽快付诸实践。跑路越快，在美国被枪击的概率越低。美国到底有多好，能让人每天冒着战场上被枪击的危险也要死耗着不走。 。。。
日本，安全禁枪
控枪，枪击也不一定少（譬如芝加哥），但涨税是一定的，降低中小学教育标准是一定的，和LGBTQ同浴同厕是一定的。我倒是想控枪，但要拖上那么一大堆就得想想了。 说控枪的一定是比较富裕的，不在乎多缴那点税，孩子上私校，忽悠着没钱的陪跑。没钱的智力其实也有点跟不上，被忽悠机会还是很大的。
就是改善一下都不行吗？作死的政府
你是真不懂还是装不懂 芝加哥控枪 但是周围地区不控啊 所以坏人特别容易搞到枪
还对抗暴政呢？自己都要被暴民先玩完了
这在很多国家都是这样吧。人家也不是人人持枪啊。
记得501(c)4是不能够直接参与partisan political activities 包括 directly contributing to campaigns（？）
控枪派应该是多数吧。要不然你其实想说“禁枪派”？
美国贩毒非法，芝加哥黑帮都能贩毒，控枪黑帮就不枪击了？你怎么像是替坏人洗白的？
最关键的一点是， 没有了二修， 一修也就没了. 美国政府，各地基层政府之所以比土共强点有限，一个重要原因就是屁民有枪
别跟我讲啥美军如何如何， 你们州长市长第一指挥不动美军，第二美军来了向谁开枪是个大大的问题
所以我就说无脑禁枪派连新闻都不看就闭着眼睛胡吹。这个枪手本来有另外一个目标学校，但是因为那个学校的安保做的太好，她放弃了转而袭击这个学校。谁说学校安保一定是老师带枪？为什么不可以是配备持枪保安？如果这个学校和凶手放弃的那个学校安保工作做的一样好，是不是这6条生命就不必无辜牺牲？
日本也不容易copy，日本国民素质较高，民族单一，犯罪少，民间几乎没有枪支。
其实有安保也未必管用，参见佛罗里达Parkland高中枪击案
控枪和“降低中小学教育标准”有什么关联？
讨论校园枪击案 你就扯芝加哥黑帮贩毒 怎么样都不是枪的错……
不跟装睡的人浪费时间 拉黑了
对这里的很多人来说，一修是什么？重要吗？听政府的话不好吗？
那些不都是民主党为了AA大力推广的吗？我们这的学校都在取消honor prgrams.
我问的是这和控枪有什么关系
而且日本没有美国现在的这种lawlessness 的文化氛围
在日本，哪怕是给别人招了些麻烦都会社死，更别提当罪犯了，全家一辈子抬不起头
在日本混很涩会纹身的，都不能跟别人一起泡温泉。
这就是主流价值观的作用。 哪里像美国，你坐过监狱，哈哈， 一群SX来关心你的生活，人权问题，关注你是否受到歧视
在美国挂着大雕的进他妈的女厕所还不让说