叔本华是INTJ还是INFJ

浮云淡淡
楼主 (北美华人网)
我觉得是INTJ,为什么网上都说是INFJ呢,这两个type主要是什么区别
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littletiger2013
一个理性 一个感性思维 他这么悲观 感觉是FJ
浮云淡淡
一个理性 一个感性思维 他这么悲观 感觉是FJ
littletiger2013 发表于 2023-03-27 22:46

他从小跟他爸学经商的,后来他财产被银行占有,他打官司把钱赢回来了。他还把一个老妇推下楼梯,也惹了官司,他千方百计不承认,可惜最后败诉。
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kangqiao
我个人很喜欢他 看了他所有的书 觉得他是理性悲观
一个理性 一个感性思维 他这么悲观 感觉是FJ
littletiger2013 发表于 2023-03-27 22:46

intj也可以是悲观主义者啊,感性的人反倒不一定悲观,正是因为理性深知现实的无奈,才会显得悲观,因为intj都会有“为最坏的结果做打算”的预判
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ihatemylife
女儿测出来是INTP-T 是不是很少见的性格类型?
浮云淡淡
我个人很喜欢他 看了他所有的书 觉得他是理性悲观
kangqiao 发表于 2023-03-27 22:52

搜了一下发现有人跟我有同样的疑问 https://www.typologycentral.com/threads/arthur-schopenhauer.34284/
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littletiger2013
搜了一下发现有人跟我有同样的疑问 https://www.typologycentral.com/threads/arthur-schopenhauer.34284/
浮云淡淡 发表于 2023-03-27 23:19

我喜欢这个回答, 我自己就是INFJ的所以很能relate:Personally I have never seen Schopenhauer as INFJ at the beginning I thought he was the typical existentialist philosopher / cliche nihilist who only said pessimistic phrases because he wanted to get some attention like those that today are filled with money and become philosophers to name Foucault But getting into his philosophy, I discovered that he just wanted to rescue people from their loneliness, or at least guide them to deal with them. I think that this is an altruistic act typical of an INFJ, some do not agree that it is INFJ because it is very "odious" to be, or insane. However, even a person like Hitler who ordered the killing of people has altruistic goals behind what he says or does
浮云淡淡
我喜欢这个回答, 我自己就是INFJ的所以很能relate:Personally I have never seen Schopenhauer as INFJ at the beginning I thought he was the typical existentialist philosopher / cliche nihilist who only said pessimistic phrases because he wanted to get some attention like those that today are filled with money and become philosophers to name Foucault But getting into his philosophy, I discovered that he just wanted to rescue people from their loneliness, or at least guide them to deal with them. I think that this is an altruistic act typical of an INFJ, some do not agree that it is INFJ because it is very "odious" to be, or insane. However, even a person like Hitler who ordered the killing of people has altruistic goals behind what he says or does
littletiger2013 发表于 2023-03-27 23:22

INFJ还是能跟大部分相处很好的,叔本华显然不是这种人。
Schopenhauer was that grumpy guy in his old age pictures, though he was handsome in his youth and had brief relations with females. He wrote about women and the sex urge. He was politically conservative. He was born wealthy and never had to work. He didn’t have friends or contact with relatives. He didn’t think much of humans. Most of his adult life he lived in a boarding house in Frankfort Germany. Once in the boarding house a woman upset him, he pushed her and a court made him pay her compensation. He wasn’t friendly or social. He did have small dogs. The classic statement about Schopenhauer was supposedly said by his mother. “ O, Arthur, your gloomy opinions, your intellectual arrogance, and fantastic ideas, you are just an unpleasant person.”
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littletiger2013
INFJ还是能跟大部分相处很好的,叔本华显然不是这种人。
Schopenhauer was that grumpy guy in his old age pictures, though he was handsome in his youth and had brief relations with females. He wrote about women and the sex urge. He was politically conservative. He was born wealthy and never had to work. He didn’t have friends or contact with relatives. He didn’t think much of humans. Most of his adult life he lived in a boarding house in Frankfort Germany. Once in the boarding house a woman upset him, he pushed her and a court made him pay her compensation. He wasn’t friendly or social. He did have small dogs. The classic statement about Schopenhauer was supposedly said by his mother. “ O, Arthur, your gloomy opinions, your intellectual arrogance, and fantastic ideas, you are just an unpleasant person.”
浮云淡淡 发表于 2023-03-27 23:27

我以为INFJ 还是INTJ 是从这个subject 自己思维出发,不是我们作为旁观者来客观观察subject。。
浮云淡淡
我以为INFJ 还是INTJ 是从这个subject 自己思维出发,不是我们作为旁观者来客观观察subject。。
littletiger2013 发表于 2023-03-27 23:33

应该是一回事,思维方式导致了行为方式
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feemy
我个人很喜欢他 看了他所有的书 觉得他是理性悲观
kangqiao 发表于 2023-03-27 22:52

我也很喜欢他,非常赞同他的钟摆理论,那正是我的人生写照。
中国的思想家,我最欣赏老庄的哲学。

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chipsgirl
女儿测出来是INTP-T 是不是很少见的性格类型?
ihatemylife 发表于 2023-03-27 23:15

billie eilish是intp,reddit和quora上面有讨论过