这是波音 F15 的 page。1975年初 F15 就有 10万英尺的飞行记录。 Between Jan. 16 and Feb. 1, 1975, the Streak Eagle broke eight time-to-climb world records. It reached an altitude of 98,425 feet just 3 minutes, 27.8 seconds from brake release at takeoff and coasted to nearly 103,000 feet before descending.
这是波音 F15 的 page。1975年初 F15 就有 10万英尺的飞行记录。 Between Jan. 16 and Feb. 1, 1975, the Streak Eagle broke eight time-to-climb world records. It reached an altitude of 98,425 feet just 3 minutes, 27.8 seconds from brake release at takeoff and coasted to nearly 103,000 feet before descending.
回复 8楼surge的帖子 你别google了 纽约时报今天看到我上面发的话，参访了我后专门写了一篇文章给你们文盲们科普一下 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/us/politics/china-us-balloons-ufo.html Near space is liminal space, a stratospheric netherworld where no international law applies and no military force holds dominance, where hypersonic missiles and space planes fly and surveillance balloons drift without being picked up by radars. The Chinese military, which has surprised the United States with uses of hypersonic missiles and balloons, has focused for years on developing capabilities in near space, generally thought of as 60,000 feet to 330,000 feet above earth — or 11 miles to 62 miles — where no civilian aircraft fly. In a speech on Thursday on the alarming episodes involving the spy balloon and three unidentified (but likely innocuous) flying objects, President Biden said he would ask Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken to work toward establishing “common global norms in this largely unregulated space.”
回复 7楼bibihulu的帖子 A big question looms over 21st-century space-based defense: how to define where the Pentagon’s war-fighting airspace ends and space begins. That is complicated by the fact that there is no legal, accepted definition of where the boundary lies. Until now, international rule makers did not see urgency in delineating that because few technologies could operate in the near-space zone, and debating laws and norms for outer space seemed more important, said Julian Ku, a scholar of international law at Hofstra University. Without sovereign boundaries or international laws governing the zone, militaries will be unsure where they can operate — or maybe claim that anything is permissible. The U.S. Space Command defines its area of responsibility as beginning at 62 miles above sea level, or about 327,000 feet — otherwise known as the Karman Line, named after Theodore von Karman, a Hungarian American physicist. “Any definition of where space begins is arbitrary,” Dr. Lewis said. “And anyone who tells you otherwise, they are making something up.” Victor E. Renuart Jr., a retired Air Force general and the former commander of NORAD, said his “tactical” definition of near space would be 50,000 to 100,000 feet. “Sufficient atmosphere to be maneuverable and for certain engines to function well, certainly for high-altitude balloons and unmanned, lightweight ‘thrusted’ vehicles,” he said in an email.
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这个傻Q白左，美国在这么多气球里能找出中国放的而且中共也不否认 说明这个不是普通的探空气球
问题是国际法认为高度在6万英尺以上的太空不属于美国领空，美国没权打下来 这就是为什么6万英尺以上的气球和卫星可以自由飞，不受领空法律约束
你先Google一下领空，别被中文自媒体忽悠了
你把那个国际法的条文拿出来看看？一般而言，领空高度限度有30公里到160公里，不是定义很明确。一般100公里是区分领空和太空的界限。无论哪个标准，但6万英尺只有18公里，当然是在美国领空范围。
而且关键要看气球的载荷。那么大的太阳能板，那么重的载荷，如果是民用的，具体是做什么研究啊？民用科学研究一般都是透明公开的
我也是奇了怪了，一个受不可抗力影响跑偏的气象气球，中国大大方方承认是自己的，这也是阴谋？那不承认是自己的呢？更加是阴谋对不对？大方承认一个气球是中国的，比不过美国不承认北溪管道是自己炸的，你们好不要脸哦
是啊，如果不是气象气球，中国不可能承认是中国的，那美国也没办法证明是中国的，上面又没有中文
鬼扯！什么时候国际法规定 6万英尺以上不属于领空？当年美国 U2 侦察机飞7万英尺，不是照样被打下来？而且美国 F15 能飞 10万英尺，如果6万英尺以上不算领空，那以后美国 F15 是不是可以随便去中国飞飞？
High energy laser 其实造价非常贵 而且Repeatbility 不高 现在的技术和shooting range完全打不到那些气球的飞行高度
这个武器的领衔是中国
您这是太空堡垒里面的F15么 还10w feet altitude
这是波音 F15 的 page。1975年初 F15 就有 10万英尺的飞行记录。
Between Jan. 16 and Feb. 1, 1975, the Streak Eagle broke eight time-to-climb world records. It reached an altitude of 98,425 feet just 3 minutes, 27.8 seconds from brake release at takeoff and coasted to nearly 103,000 feet before descending.
https://www.boeing.com/history/products/f-15-eagle.page
无知就少说话。
事后的沟通也行啊。 气球直接被打下来，双方都只隔空喊个话，全程无沟通，外交的存在感为零。政府跟这儿糊弄谁呢
真是无知当自信
你以为是个F15就能飞10万？ 您这特技演员一天要飞几次去炸气球？
ceiling height 在那就是因为所有零件都不在100k feet altitude operational range里。
别看了几天topgun就觉得自己懂军工了
他们就是典型高华思维啊。。。
不管中国怎么做，喷中国就是了。。。
那个国际法？
要点脸！
大小不是区分民用和军用的充分条件。越是军用反而越需要隐蔽
中国外交新闻已经承认是中国的且是气象民用，还要怎么外交反应？ 难道是要响应美国的要求上升到间谍程度，然后双方展开军方会谈才能让你满意？
哈哈导弹需求量大幅增加
中国那个外交新闻基本是演给中国人看的 😓 而且我批评的明明是美国外交。抓耳挠腮好几天然后直接打，打完仍然不知道打下来的是什么。整的好像跟中国完全没有沟通渠道沟通手段似的。 一个对话的机会中看不到任何对话，拿不到任何证据，谈不成任何deal。气球打也不需要白宫扛着导弹去打，所以白宫外交上做了啥？屁事没做，或者根本就没那个本事做任何事
又开始胡搅蛮缠。F15 作为空优战机时，升限为10万英尺。最近几十年，美国空军偏爱多功能战机替代性能单一的空优战机，于是最近几个型号的F15战机都为多功能战机，升限也从10万英尺下降到6万5千英尺。但美军仍有大量早期 F-15 封存在沙漠里。如果需要把它们拿出来用，虽说不是分分钟的事，但也是个把月的事。
之所以提起F15升限10万英尺，是某位层主号称6万英尺以上不算领空，如果真要是有这个国际法，美国早就翻出F15A没事儿去中国头上遛弯儿了。
你在这里抬杠扯淡，没用。只说明你不懂。再给你连一遍波音 F15 的网页。
https://www.boeing.com/history/products/f-15-eagle.page
需要脑残片。
高空气球32km高，能用高射炮吗？
常识还是要点的。。。。。。高炮打这么高，要啥防空导弹啊
嗯 你说的对 美国飞行员几十年前开F-15随随便便上10w 下飞机时活蹦乱跳 是不是还能各种一边听着topgun anthem 一边dog fight 现在F35上装着 pressurized cabin 飞行员都头疼胸闷要加薪
你这种高材生不去军工太可惜了 快带我们重新冲向10w altitude
因為主要的信號零件都是英美做的
熟得很
谁也没说战机在10万英尺能 dog fight, 但是上世纪70年代升限10万英尺是美苏之间顶尖战斗机的标配。1970年米格25服役，升限达到10万英尺（1973年7月25日，米格25飞出115,584英尺），美国自然要把F15升限加到10万英尺，在 1975年1月到2月之间飞出103,000英尺的记录。这些都是历史事实。
还是那句话，如果6万英尺以上不算领空，F15早就没事儿去中国遛弯儿了。没有知识就是没有知识。
按你的逻辑，中国也不否认你来自中国，说明你可能是间谍
因为白宫和军方都知道的很清楚不是什么危险气球，所以开始一直不想闹大不想打。最后被国会议员和媒体辖制到被迫打，在土共面前还有什么制高点？
你别google了 纽约时报今天看到我上面发的话，参访了我后专门写了一篇文章给你们文盲们科普一下
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/us/politics/china-us-balloons-ufo.html
Near space is liminal space, a stratospheric netherworld where no international law applies and no military force holds dominance, where hypersonic missiles and space planes fly and surveillance balloons drift without being picked up by radars. The Chinese military, which has surprised the United States with uses of hypersonic missiles and balloons, has focused for years on developing capabilities in near space, generally thought of as 60,000 feet to 330,000 feet above earth — or 11 miles to 62 miles — where no civilian aircraft fly.
In a speech on Thursday on the alarming episodes involving the spy balloon and three unidentified (but likely innocuous) flying objects, President Biden said he would ask Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken to work toward establishing “common global norms in this largely unregulated space.”
A big question looms over 21st-century space-based defense: how to define where the Pentagon’s war-fighting airspace ends and space begins. That is complicated by the fact that there is no legal, accepted definition of where the boundary lies. Until now, international rule makers did not see urgency in delineating that because few technologies could operate in the near-space zone, and debating laws and norms for outer space seemed more important, said Julian Ku, a scholar of international law at Hofstra University. Without sovereign boundaries or international laws governing the zone, militaries will be unsure where they can operate — or maybe claim that anything is permissible. The U.S. Space Command defines its area of responsibility as beginning at 62 miles above sea level, or about 327,000 feet — otherwise known as the Karman Line, named after Theodore von Karman, a Hungarian American physicist. “Any definition of where space begins is arbitrary,” Dr. Lewis said. “And anyone who tells you otherwise, they are making something up.” Victor E. Renuart Jr., a retired Air Force general and the former commander of NORAD, said his “tactical” definition of near space would be 50,000 to 100,000 feet. “Sufficient atmosphere to be maneuverable and for certain engines to function well, certainly for high-altitude balloons and unmanned, lightweight ‘thrusted’ vehicles,” he said in an email.
你们两个吵吵没意思。首先不谈model，engine，weight和loadout的谈飞行altitude就是耍流氓啊。😆因为这取决了飞行高度是在65000-73000之间，还是zoom climb。
上世纪70年代的f15不是波音的而是麦道的产品。model有A, B, C和D。streak egale F-15 (A)当年为减少重量采用的是natural metal finish以达到那几次破世界纪录的飞行包括了103000高度的世界纪录，而且它是single seat还只是一个preproduction，因为内部结构和操作系统造价太高不能重返operation service，所以飞完以后没几年就进了博物馆，从造出到进博物馆只用了8年时间。
现在的f15真正fully loaded的如果加上三个外挂fuel tanks，可以很轻松的而且很有效率的达到45000高度并且可以一直可以cruise在那个高度。但要维持在每分钟100ft的加速还是在65000。但是，f15也可以perform半弹道的zoom climb超过125000, 这种performance仍然取决于上面的四个因素。
你是傻白甜？间谍气球只有中国有？你这是高级美黑？