https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2023/02/03/memphis-zoo-giant-panda-lele-dead-at-25/69869772007/ 'A favorite of all who met and worked with him': Memphis Zoo's giant panda Le Le dies at 24
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2023/02/03/memphis-zoo-giant-panda-lele-dead-at-25/69869772007/ 'A favorite of all who met and worked with him': Memphis Zoo's giant panda Le Le dies at 24 MK1992 发表于 2023-02-03 14:32
The maltreatment and negligence at Memphis zoo killed LeLe, he was seen ill on the panda cam , but no one there cared and gave him proper treatment until the tragedy.
YaYa has a chronic skin condition and LeLe has significant teeth issues resulting in broken molars. https://protectallwildlifeblog.com/2022/12/26/victory-suffering-giant-pandas-yaya-lele-at-the-memphis-zoo-will-finally-be-sent-to-a-sanctuary-in-china/ 丫丫是瘦的那个，乐乐是胖的那个 2021 年的乐乐 (https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2023/02/03/memphis-zoo-giant-panda-lele-dead-at-25/69869772007/)
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2023/02/03/memphis-zoo-giant-panda-lele-dead-at-25/69869772007/ 'A favorite of all who met and worked with him': Memphis Zoo's giant panda Le Le dies at 24 MK1992 发表于 2023-02-03 14:32
回复 26楼的帖子 之前以为是熊猫外交，无偿出借熊猫给外国增进友好 现在发现原来是门大生意 根据熊猫租赁协议，一对大熊猫租期10年，一年大概100万美元，共1000万美元. 任何新出生的熊猫幼崽必须两年之后送回中国，熊猫非正常死亡也必须赔偿大概50万美元. 也就是说熊猫半生漂泊海外 有些水土不服的是不是也没的选择 有些则最终客死他乡 The pandas are rented from the Chinese government for 10 years and the contract stipulates that Edinburgh must pay £600,000 a year for the pair. Any cub that is born must be returned to China after two years. Should one die because of human error, it is understood that the zoo must pay £300,000. £600,000 is equivalent to some 947 thousand US Dollars. That''s nearly $10 million over a decade, not including the costs of their care and feeding. https://gizmodo.com/youll-never-believe-what-it-costs-to-rent-a-panda-from-1635142229
早两年乐乐和丫丫引起大众注意时，北京动物园，三次联系孟菲斯动物园，很少得到回应； “Beijing Zoo has informed the panda lovers that it has submitted three requests to the CAZG — the main Chinese contract party of the panda loan — for taking YaYa back in advance on January 7, March 31, and May 7. As the unsuccessful communication with the Memphis Zoo continues, Shanghai Zoo also informed that they are keeping in close contact with the CAZG regarding LeLe’s situation. Both zoos’ complaints and unanswered concerns about the feeding and welfare of their animals illustrate one aspect of the lockdown created by the Memphis Zoo.”
熊猫爱好者留言被动物园block； Tom Clemenson, another representative of Panda Voices added, "We tried to contact Memphis Zoo offering help and donations for the pandas, but to date they have yet to respond to us. Instead, they started blocking all panda fans who leave comments about the pandas or asking questions about YaYa and LeLe on their social media. 动物园承认熊猫没足够东西吃，向大众募捐。Memphis Zoo has admitted that it lacks bamboo to feed the pandas by requesting public donations to source this basic food need. Memphis Zoo is yet to mention YaYa’s skin parasite condition, which she has clearly been suffering from for at least 7 years. 丫丫四次流产。YaYa’s miscarriages were reported in the media in 2007, 2010, and 2012. By 2012, YaYa had already had three miscarriages, yet another artificial insemination was performed on her again in the same year. 孟菲斯动物园多次因为（疑似）虐待动物被动物保护机构点名。 In Defense of Animals is extremely concerned about YaYa, LeLe, and all the animals held prisoner at Memphis Zoo. Multiple Grant''''''''s gazelles have mysteriously died in the zoo''''''''s care without mention, and our 10 Worst Zoos list exposed how African elephant Tyrzana was killed before her natural in-the-wild life expectancy at the zoo in September 2020. Our Freedom of Information Act requests to Memphis Zoo have gone unanswered. 这些是从领导要求乐乐和丫丫回归中国的动物保护组织IDA的NEWS RELEASE里面看的。有兴趣的可以自己搜索 idausa.org Memphis zoo panda abuse
MEDIA RELEASE: Abused Memphis Zoo Pandas Elicit 87,000 Calls to Send Them Home November 23, 2021 - Posted by Fleur Dawes TAG: PANDA, TOP TEN WORST ZOOS, ZOOS
MEMPHIS (Nov. 23, 2021) – International animal protection nonprofit In Defense of Animals has teamed up with Panda Voices to call for the immediate retirement of giant pandas YaYa and LeLe. Over 87,000 people across the world have now signed a Change.org petition and In Defense of Animals alert to express their deep concern for the pandas’ welfare. Watch the video: https://youtu.be/0Un8QVxYGkg “Anyone watching the Memphis Zoo webcam can see these pandas are in crisis,” said Fleur Dawes, Communications Director for In Defense of Animals. “We’re calling on Memphis Zoo CEO Jim Dean to stop the torture of YaYa and LeLe and send them back to China where they can be nursed back to health, eat suitable food, and live as pandas should.” Shipped from Beijing, China, in 2003, giant pandas YaYa and LeLe have been held captive at Memphis Zoo for 18 years. They are mistreated and visibly distressed, suffering from insufficient bamboo, malnourishment, excessive caging time (10+ hours), skin mite disease, dental problems and zoochosis — a distressed state of mental health shown through abnormal, repetitive “stereotypical” behaviors. YaYa is 21 years old, still under the average life expectancy of giant pandas in Chinese captivity, which is between 25 and 35 years old, with the record age being 38 years old. She has suffered four miscarriages after invasive artificial insemination procedures, has an ongoing skin mite infestation, and is extremely underweight. She shows severe signs of captivity-caused mental distress through repetitive zoochotic behavior, which can be witnessed by zoo visitors and through webcams. YaYa’s miscarriages were reported in the media in 2007, 2010, and 2012. By 2012, YaYa had already had three miscarriages, yet another artificial insemination was performed on her again in the same year. In August, Beijing Zoo released an official response to address concerns about YaYa raised by Chinese panda fans. Beijing Zoo and the Chinese Association of Zoological Gardens (CAZG) recommended Memphis Zoo address basic panda care such as feeding her bamboo shoots throughout the year and treating her Demodex mites. Memphis Zoo has admitted that it lacks bamboo to feed the pandas by requesting public donations to source this basic food need. Memphis Zoo is yet to mention YaYa’s skin parasite condition, which she has clearly been suffering from for at least 7 years. LeLe is 23 years old and also suffers from stereotypical behaviors and dental problems. It is common to see him sitting on a rock, playing with his tongue — a typical sign of mental distress caused, among other issues, by the lack of enrichment in their enclosures. Despite this unprecedented level of public concern, Memphis Zoo remains resolutely stubborn in refusing to engage with the concerns raised by panda lovers across the world or even have a dialogue with them. Yet this concern has been created by Memphis Zoo itself which show via its webcam, pandas LeLe and YaYa in states of lethargy with disturbing, repetitive behaviour and looking thin and unwell to such an extent which has troubled international panda lovers enough to take over 87,000 actions on their behalf. Vera Yevseeva, a representative of Panda Voices, said, “We care too much to be silent. Memphis Zoo may keep blocking us on social media and posting updates with old videos and photos, but we will keep asking them to provide proper medical care, enrichment, and nutritious food to the pandas they imprison. No other ‘healthy’ captive pandas are so visibly stressed and malnourished, certainly when compared to the numerous other panda webcams provided by other zoos across the world. They are in extremely poor condition, and urgent measures are needed. Returning both pandas to China right away is the responsible thing to do for the pandas' health, and as gratitude for the almost two decades they spent in the zoo.” Panda Voices is an organization created by an international group of panda fans from Asia, Europe & The Americas, brought together by concerns over pandas YaYa & LeLe. The organization is committed to returning YaYa and LeLe to China, and speaking out for pandas and all animals suffering in captivity. Tom Clemenson, another representative of Panda Voices added, "We tried to contact Memphis Zoo offering help and donations for the pandas, but to date they have yet to respond to us. Instead, they started blocking all panda fans who leave comments about the pandas or asking questions about YaYa and LeLe on their social media. A great number of active panda fans have been blocked or silenced on their Facebook and Instagram pages. We question Memphis Zoo if putting barriers between the animals and the community, and being completely closed to dialogue is really the best way to deal with this issue. Is the zoo really acting in the animals' interest at all? We do hope Memphis Zoo will be open to have a dialogue with us, be transparent, and willing to improve with the common objective of improving the pandas' quality of life." According to the organization, Chinese institutions are also facing difficulties in contacting the Memphis Zoo. Yevseeva added, “Weekly since March, a member of Panda Voices has contacted Beijing Zoo and Shanghai Zoo, the owners of YaYa and LeLe, respectively. Both zoos complained that they rarely get a positive response from the Memphis Zoo.” “Beijing Zoo has informed the panda lovers that it has submitted three requests to the CAZG — the main Chinese contract party of the panda loan — for taking YaYa back in advance on January 7, March 31, and May 7. As the unsuccessful communication with the Memphis Zoo continues, Shanghai Zoo also informed that they are keeping in close contact with the CAZG regarding LeLe’s situation. Both zoos’ complaints and unanswered concerns about the feeding and welfare of their animals illustrate one aspect of the lockdown created by the Memphis Zoo.” Marc Bekoff Ph.D., professor emeritus of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Colorado, has also spoken out regarding this situation: “The footage and material provided by In Defense of Animals and Panda Voices clearly shows there is serious cause for concern for the captive pandas at Memphis Zoo. I have previously highlighted the extreme stress caused to pandas born and raised in captivity, but the extremely poor physical and mental condition of YaYa and LeLe brings this to a new level of urgency. It's time for Memphis Zoo to send these poor pandas home where at least some of their basic needs can be met.” When a zoo creates a panda cam to allow international audiences to engage with animals, they have a responsibility to respond to the pictorial evidence created by that webcam when it becomes a source of public concern to the extent of 87,000 people. Memphis Zoo seems to ignore its public responsibility and fails to address a whole series of questions about the use of digital technologies in zoos’ public facing activities. Memphis Zoo has also failed to answer Freedom of Information Act requests for all medical reports for giant pandas YaYa and LeLe, in addition to all medical, veterinary and necropsy reports for seven Grant's gazelles who died last winter, and African elephant Tyrzana who was euthanized in September 2020. Memphis Zoo is ranked #8 on In Defense of Animals’ list of the 10 Worst Zoos for Elephants in North America. “Memphis Zoo cannot sidestep public accountability forever,” added Dawes. “We are determined to end all suffering and preventable deaths at Memphis Zoo, and get justice for animals who have died there. We urge members of the public to keep up the pressure by signing and sharing our petitions.” Members of the public can take action for YaYa and LeLe here:Change.org petitionIn Defense of Animals alert
中国的兽权是咋样都明白，熊猫算极受优待了，但毕竟只是个动物。就像房子出租一样，除非有铁证，怎么追究责任？而且这种事情只怕还不是北京动物园可以作主的，如果Memphis矢口否认，难道上国际法庭打官司？实际上这个如果虐待可以罚款，事后来看追责就很难，但是一般租了大熊猫的当宝贝，这种摆烂的以前只怕都没碰到过。家养大熊猫寿命是25－35年，乐乐刚刚达到25（有的报道说是24），就匆匆去世了。 就好比美华，2003年来到美国，那时候几个清楚田纳西是个红脖地，穷山恶水？那时候以为都是米国，富饶文明，比起国内生活条件好多了，多半还是精选的漂亮强壮的才能有此“好运”。当时熊猫才5岁，正是青少年风华正茂，为米国奉献青春20年，为Memphis zoo赚了不少钱。天不从人意，20年后，排华四起，病毒四散，zoo没人来，红脖没准越看熊猫越不顺眼，熊猫们又年老力衰，不再讨喜，恨不得fire掉。如果不是几个有善心的人呐喊几声？ In Defense of Animals, an international animal protection program, claims Memphis Zoo is one of the worst zoos for elephants. 10 Worst Zoos 2020 African Lion Safari, Hamilton, ON Fort Worth Zoo, Fort Worth, TX Pittsburgh Zoo, Pittsburgh, PA Seneca Park Zoo, Rochester, NY Monterey Zoo, Salinas, CA Myrtle Beach Safari, Myrtle Beach, SC Natural Bridge Zoo, Natural Bridge, VA Memphis Zoo, Memphis, TN Cameron Park Zoo, Waco, TX Hogle Zoo, Salt Lake City, UT
20220130 YaYa's desperate long food begging on the day before CNY's Eve 这是panda voices视频的其中之一，这已经是同意熊猫们2023年4月回国之后了。2022年春节期间，丫丫央求食物，不得。身边都是没叶子的竹子竿。 这种Memphis zoo就是摆烂，哪怕视频照着它也不怕，反正是破罐破摔了。
'A favorite of all who met and worked with him': Memphis Zoo's giant panda Le Le dies at 24
I want an investigation
https://protectallwildlifeblog.com/2022/12/26/victory-suffering-giant-pandas-yaya-lele-at-the-memphis-zoo-will-finally-be-sent-to-a-sanctuary-in-china/
丫丫是瘦的那个，乐乐是胖的那个
2021 年的乐乐 (https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2023/02/03/memphis-zoo-giant-panda-lele-dead-at-25/69869772007/)
per wiki: The giant panda typically lives around 20 years in the wild and up to 30 years in captivity.
说白了就是熊猫年纪大牙口不好，需要的竹子品质比较高，这个动物园非常cheap不给提供，导致熊猫营养不良。吃的都跟不上就别说医疗了。美国人真的cheap
太可怜了， 丫丫身上的毛都掉光了， 瘦骨嶙峋， shame on MZ!
去过四川的熊猫基地，环境不错，但一直监控着，看基地的介绍视频，一到发情期就开始人工干预配种繁衍，生出来就像幼儿园一样开始人工养殖，感觉也和生育机器差不多。 接着当作友谊啊，和平啊，送到世界各国或者国内各省的的动物园，给人观赏，觉得萌哒哒的惹人爱，
其实这些国家地区的气候环境可能并不适合熊猫生存，可能也没有那么多熊猫喜欢的食物，再加上养殖的成本不菲，肯定有愿意花钱的，也有随便养养的。 不光是美国动物园，还有国内也曝光过一些城市的动物园，熊猫生存环境也不怎么好。
一直不怎么喜欢动物园，不只是熊猫，觉得那些动物失去了原本的生存环境和自由，和坐牢一样每天关在一方小天地里了，供人观赏，肯定也挺痛苦的。 如果是野生动物园可能好点，或者那些父母被猎杀，受伤，失去野外生存能力，或者本身失去栖息的动物，被人类庇护养起来呢，和宠物差不多也行。
瘦的背上的骨头都能看到了， 而且视频上一直在讨吃的就是没人理，实在是太可怜了，动物园的为啥能这么狠心
这个时候觉得世上的事情真是不能多想，熊猫是有人关注，没人关注的其他动物估计很多也很惨
希望丫丫挺住能回国过几天好日子啊！
之前以为是熊猫外交，无偿出借熊猫给外国增进友好 现在发现原来是门大生意
根据熊猫租赁协议，一对大熊猫租期10年，一年大概100万美元，共1000万美元. 任何新出生的熊猫幼崽必须两年之后送回中国，熊猫非正常死亡也必须赔偿大概50万美元. 也就是说熊猫半生漂泊海外 有些水土不服的是不是也没的选择 有些则最终客死他乡
The pandas are rented from the Chinese government for 10 years and the contract stipulates that Edinburgh must pay £600,000 a year for the pair. Any cub that is born must be returned to China after two years. Should one die because of human error, it is understood that the zoo must pay £300,000.
£600,000 is equivalent to some 947 thousand US Dollars. That''s nearly $10 million over a decade, not including the costs of their care and feeding.
https://gizmodo.com/youll-never-believe-what-it-costs-to-rent-a-panda-from-1635142229
买了宠物不好好养，难道不怪买家？卖家有什么责任？
可以去看中动协的回应啊，人家也说是皮肤病，中等健康。自己亲妈都不上心，指望后妈？
早就该取消这种熊猫外交了，为了一百万就被弄到国外，都不知道到死能不能回自己的家，太残忍了。
熊猫爱好者留言被动物园block； Tom Clemenson, another representative of Panda Voices added, "We tried to contact Memphis Zoo offering help and donations for the pandas, but to date they have yet to respond to us. Instead, they started blocking all panda fans who leave comments about the pandas or asking questions about YaYa and LeLe on their social media.
动物园承认熊猫没足够东西吃，向大众募捐。Memphis Zoo has admitted that it lacks bamboo to feed the pandas by requesting public donations to source this basic food need. Memphis Zoo is yet to mention YaYa’s skin parasite condition, which she has clearly been suffering from for at least 7 years.
丫丫四次流产。YaYa’s miscarriages were reported in the media in 2007, 2010, and 2012. By 2012, YaYa had already had three miscarriages, yet another artificial insemination was performed on her again in the same year.
孟菲斯动物园多次因为（疑似）虐待动物被动物保护机构点名。 In Defense of Animals is extremely concerned about YaYa, LeLe, and all the animals held prisoner at Memphis Zoo. Multiple Grant''''''''s gazelles have mysteriously died in the zoo''''''''s care without mention, and our 10 Worst Zoos list exposed how African elephant Tyrzana was killed before her natural in-the-wild life expectancy at the zoo in September 2020. Our Freedom of Information Act requests to Memphis Zoo have gone unanswered.
这些是从领导要求乐乐和丫丫回归中国的动物保护组织IDA的NEWS RELEASE里面看的。有兴趣的可以自己搜索 idausa.org Memphis zoo panda abuse
MEMPHIS (Nov. 23, 2021) – International animal protection nonprofit In Defense of Animals has teamed up with Panda Voices to call for the immediate retirement of giant pandas YaYa and LeLe. Over 87,000 people across the world have now signed a Change.org petition and In Defense of Animals alert to express their deep concern for the pandas’ welfare. Watch the video: https://youtu.be/0Un8QVxYGkg “Anyone watching the Memphis Zoo webcam can see these pandas are in crisis,” said Fleur Dawes, Communications Director for In Defense of Animals. “We’re calling on Memphis Zoo CEO Jim Dean to stop the torture of YaYa and LeLe and send them back to China where they can be nursed back to health, eat suitable food, and live as pandas should.” Shipped from Beijing, China, in 2003, giant pandas YaYa and LeLe have been held captive at Memphis Zoo for 18 years. They are mistreated and visibly distressed, suffering from insufficient bamboo, malnourishment, excessive caging time (10+ hours), skin mite disease, dental problems and zoochosis — a distressed state of mental health shown through abnormal, repetitive “stereotypical” behaviors. YaYa is 21 years old, still under the average life expectancy of giant pandas in Chinese captivity, which is between 25 and 35 years old, with the record age being 38 years old. She has suffered four miscarriages after invasive artificial insemination procedures, has an ongoing skin mite infestation, and is extremely underweight. She shows severe signs of captivity-caused mental distress through repetitive zoochotic behavior, which can be witnessed by zoo visitors and through webcams. YaYa’s miscarriages were reported in the media in 2007, 2010, and 2012. By 2012, YaYa had already had three miscarriages, yet another artificial insemination was performed on her again in the same year. In August, Beijing Zoo released an official response to address concerns about YaYa raised by Chinese panda fans. Beijing Zoo and the Chinese Association of Zoological Gardens (CAZG) recommended Memphis Zoo address basic panda care such as feeding her bamboo shoots throughout the year and treating her Demodex mites. Memphis Zoo has admitted that it lacks bamboo to feed the pandas by requesting public donations to source this basic food need. Memphis Zoo is yet to mention YaYa’s skin parasite condition, which she has clearly been suffering from for at least 7 years. LeLe is 23 years old and also suffers from stereotypical behaviors and dental problems. It is common to see him sitting on a rock, playing with his tongue — a typical sign of mental distress caused, among other issues, by the lack of enrichment in their enclosures. Despite this unprecedented level of public concern, Memphis Zoo remains resolutely stubborn in refusing to engage with the concerns raised by panda lovers across the world or even have a dialogue with them. Yet this concern has been created by Memphis Zoo itself which show via its webcam, pandas LeLe and YaYa in states of lethargy with disturbing, repetitive behaviour and looking thin and unwell to such an extent which has troubled international panda lovers enough to take over 87,000 actions on their behalf. Vera Yevseeva, a representative of Panda Voices, said, “We care too much to be silent. Memphis Zoo may keep blocking us on social media and posting updates with old videos and photos, but we will keep asking them to provide proper medical care, enrichment, and nutritious food to the pandas they imprison. No other ‘healthy’ captive pandas are so visibly stressed and malnourished, certainly when compared to the numerous other panda webcams provided by other zoos across the world. They are in extremely poor condition, and urgent measures are needed. Returning both pandas to China right away is the responsible thing to do for the pandas' health, and as gratitude for the almost two decades they spent in the zoo.” Panda Voices is an organization created by an international group of panda fans from Asia, Europe & The Americas, brought together by concerns over pandas YaYa & LeLe. The organization is committed to returning YaYa and LeLe to China, and speaking out for pandas and all animals suffering in captivity. Tom Clemenson, another representative of Panda Voices added, "We tried to contact Memphis Zoo offering help and donations for the pandas, but to date they have yet to respond to us. Instead, they started blocking all panda fans who leave comments about the pandas or asking questions about YaYa and LeLe on their social media. A great number of active panda fans have been blocked or silenced on their Facebook and Instagram pages. We question Memphis Zoo if putting barriers between the animals and the community, and being completely closed to dialogue is really the best way to deal with this issue. Is the zoo really acting in the animals' interest at all? We do hope Memphis Zoo will be open to have a dialogue with us, be transparent, and willing to improve with the common objective of improving the pandas' quality of life." According to the organization, Chinese institutions are also facing difficulties in contacting the Memphis Zoo. Yevseeva added, “Weekly since March, a member of Panda Voices has contacted Beijing Zoo and Shanghai Zoo, the owners of YaYa and LeLe, respectively. Both zoos complained that they rarely get a positive response from the Memphis Zoo.” “Beijing Zoo has informed the panda lovers that it has submitted three requests to the CAZG — the main Chinese contract party of the panda loan — for taking YaYa back in advance on January 7, March 31, and May 7. As the unsuccessful communication with the Memphis Zoo continues, Shanghai Zoo also informed that they are keeping in close contact with the CAZG regarding LeLe’s situation. Both zoos’ complaints and unanswered concerns about the feeding and welfare of their animals illustrate one aspect of the lockdown created by the Memphis Zoo.” Marc Bekoff Ph.D., professor emeritus of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Colorado, has also spoken out regarding this situation: “The footage and material provided by In Defense of Animals and Panda Voices clearly shows there is serious cause for concern for the captive pandas at Memphis Zoo. I have previously highlighted the extreme stress caused to pandas born and raised in captivity, but the extremely poor physical and mental condition of YaYa and LeLe brings this to a new level of urgency. It's time for Memphis Zoo to send these poor pandas home where at least some of their basic needs can be met.” When a zoo creates a panda cam to allow international audiences to engage with animals, they have a responsibility to respond to the pictorial evidence created by that webcam when it becomes a source of public concern to the extent of 87,000 people. Memphis Zoo seems to ignore its public responsibility and fails to address a whole series of questions about the use of digital technologies in zoos’ public facing activities. Memphis Zoo has also failed to answer Freedom of Information Act requests for all medical reports for giant pandas YaYa and LeLe, in addition to all medical, veterinary and necropsy reports for seven Grant's gazelles who died last winter, and African elephant Tyrzana who was euthanized in September 2020. Memphis Zoo is ranked #8 on In Defense of Animals’ list of the 10 Worst Zoos for Elephants in North America. “Memphis Zoo cannot sidestep public accountability forever,” added Dawes. “We are determined to end all suffering and preventable deaths at Memphis Zoo, and get justice for animals who have died there. We urge members of the public to keep up the pressure by signing and sharing our petitions.” Members of the public can take action for YaYa and LeLe here: Change.org petition In Defense of Animals alert
那也是双方愿意才租的呀， 说的像单方面硬塞的。还有， 租了宠物就好好养，不能因为花销大虐待啊。跟在家里买个狗狗没区别的。
你真贴心，又开始victim bashing，还因为一只可怜的熊猫
真又你的
怎么是单方面硬塞呢？每个动物园每个月（好想是这个频率）都需要和国内交流，包括培育计划都是和国内交流，并不是租出来就不管不问了，这件事之前闹这么大，中动协和孟菲斯动物园的回应是一致的，只能说要么他们的确说的真话，要么两边同流合污大家都摆烂不care。
这个ID 不懂就别乱发言。熊猫天生性冷淡（否则自然生育率为什么那么低），为了保住正常繁殖，就是要催情啊。过去熊猫将近灭绝时，所以熊猫基地应运而生。现在数量上来了，基地说的很清楚，开始慢慢培养熊猫的野外求生能力，然后放归自然。疫情前放了几个出去，好像有一个因为缺乏野外能力，很快就死了。现在放出去的熊猫开始会带追踪器，慢慢放远，直到自立。
为啥不给吃胡萝卜苹果，也不贵吧。 这事好像闹了至少五年了 好惨
你认为熊猫保护不花钱吗？正是由于这些出租的熊猫，和收费参观的基地，熊猫的保护才能有充足的经费，熊猫才能不灭绝。
自己去搜一下熊猫租赁协议吧，网上没啥完整版，但各种信息拼凑起来还是有个大致轮廓。
大熊猫在租赁期间，动物园失职导致意外会有罚款。孟菲斯被传虐待熊猫好多年了，国内放了个屁吗？既然收钱是为了保护整个大熊猫族群，既然合同规定有罚款，为什么乐乐丫丫受虐待不第一时间过来调查，想办法停止租赁？还是你觉得为了每年一百万的租赁费，牺牲乐乐丫丫的利益是可以接受的？
买家靠熊猫挣了多少钱你怎么不算一算。别告诉我去动物园看大熊猫是免费的。
租赁合同成立双方都是有挣钱，不是吗？但是，租赁方饲养的熊猫最后死于这种惨状是令人无法接受的。别讲什么已高寿之类的鬼话
中国的兽权是咋样都明白，熊猫算极受优待了，但毕竟只是个动物。就像房子出租一样，除非有铁证，怎么追究责任？而且这种事情只怕还不是北京动物园可以作主的，如果Memphis矢口否认，难道上国际法庭打官司？实际上这个如果虐待可以罚款，事后来看追责就很难，但是一般租了大熊猫的当宝贝，这种摆烂的以前只怕都没碰到过。家养大熊猫寿命是25－35年，乐乐刚刚达到25（有的报道说是24），就匆匆去世了。
就好比美华，2003年来到美国，那时候几个清楚田纳西是个红脖地，穷山恶水？那时候以为都是米国，富饶文明，比起国内生活条件好多了，多半还是精选的漂亮强壮的才能有此“好运”。当时熊猫才5岁，正是青少年风华正茂，为米国奉献青春20年，为Memphis zoo赚了不少钱。天不从人意，20年后，排华四起，病毒四散，zoo没人来，红脖没准越看熊猫越不顺眼，熊猫们又年老力衰，不再讨喜，恨不得fire掉。如果不是几个有善心的人呐喊几声？
In Defense of Animals, an international animal protection program, claims Memphis Zoo is one of the worst zoos for elephants.
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前面有人已经贴了中国多次关注了动物园熊猫的情况，你可以说中国不够负责，但主要的责任在动物园不很明确吗？难道你买个宠物要看着才能好好对待宠物？
你先搞清楚谁是victim 好吗？是熊猫还是每年美滋滋数着一百万美元的人？
熊猫是一种循高山雪线生活的动物，它们非常喜欢寒冷的环境
气温上升它就往更高的山上去，躲在荫凉的竹林里
所以加拿大的熊猫那个开心啊，比生活在成都还爽，成都虽然离家乡近，但没有山可去，还是热
有些动物园比较佛系，夏天全天把熊猫放冷气房里，宁可损失门票收入。有些就差一点，夏天把熊猫放出来让游客观赏。只能说下辈子投个好胎吧，不要当政治礼物了。
Memphis zoo，四次给丫丫人工授精，四次流产，其中第四次就在第三次发生的当年。可见对熊猫们就是往死里用，可能就是这样才导致他们老年病痛多。这种红脖穷州，哄了对熊猫来，心里算着小九九，心疼着那一百万，又数着能赚多少，恨不得榨干最后一滴血。据说还盘算着再去中国弄一对儿熊猫来，可见这些年肯定是赚了的。没熊猫谁知道它那个破动物园？
出租熊猫的钱用在了熊猫的保护上， 有什么不对的？孟菲斯动物园是自己要租的，为什么不好好养？世界上租熊猫的动物园这么多，这么烂的是头一次听说。
现在的熊猫算不上政治礼物，算是外地打工，寄钱回家。
这是panda voices视频的其中之一，这已经是同意熊猫们2023年4月回国之后了。2022年春节期间，丫丫央求食物，不得。身边都是没叶子的竹子竿。 这种Memphis zoo就是摆烂，哪怕视频照着它也不怕，反正是破罐破摔了。
气不过还是回你一句，你这属于反华反到脑子已经坏掉，一点同理心都没有了。
估计你一张丫丫乐乐的照片也没看过，和你说再多也是白搭，反正都是怪中国就好了
我20年前听说的，四川那些从事大熊猫工作的人员待遇都很好，一只熊猫外租借出国，每年的租借费用是1米，生的小熊猫所有权是中国的。
嗯，所以对Tennessee这种红脖州来说，是下血本了，可不得榨出最后一滴来。
没说错啊，就是天生繁殖能力低下，也是导致灭绝的原因之一，物竞天择。 所以人工干预，人工催情繁殖。 野外放生一方面是好的，但你也说了，能野外存活也不容易，还是有不能活的。 另一方面，因为动物园里近亲繁殖太多了，所以要放到野外去寻找新的配种。 而且也有不少送到世界各地全国各地，就像楼上网友说的，也有创收的成分。 幸亏是熊猫啊，别的物种繁殖能力和生存能力这么低下，如果没有人工干预，投入这么多人力物力，早就灭绝了
根据熊猫租赁协议，一年大概100万美元，任何新出生的熊猫幼崽必须两年之后送回中国，熊猫非正常死亡也必须赔偿大概50万美元.
也就是熊猫幼崽可以脱离父母就必须送回中国. 外国动物园培育熊猫幼崽，根本是吃力不讨好，有何利可图，根本不存在往死了用，还不如说是配合中国要求可能性更大.
乐乐已经出租20年了，创汇2000万美元. 而且人工受精四次都流产，是不是本身身体状况就不太好
是不是可以解释国内熊猫保护条件这么好 都是建筑在这些海外熊猫租赁之上 一对10年租赁租金共1000万美元 也就是半生远在海外 有些水土不服是不是也没的选择 有些则最终客死他乡
San Diego的白云，27岁时候健康地和她6岁的孩子Liwu一起回成都的。 DC的小熊猫奇迹，吸引了多少人？他也已经3岁了，还没有回去呢。 生小熊猫，对动物园可是大大利润。 丫丫刚第三次流产，Memphis就安排了授精。 这样折腾，熊猫能健康才怪。 有可能罚款，所以Memphis Zoo才要强调丫丫和乐乐是因为太老，死亡也是正常死亡嘛。
一叶知秋，以后红脖纳粹上台，美华没准也会熬不到。。。啊呸呸呸
熊猫也是蛮惨的 从野生动物，变成了供人观赏赚钱的宠物 卖到美国给中国赚一次钱 在美国靠噱头招揽游客，又要帮外国人把本赚回来 活的好不好全看宠物饲养者的心情和人品 估计孟菲斯zoo的效益不好，熊猫没赚到钱，再加上熊猫用的太狠，就像被主人虐待的宠物一样。 DC的动物园也去过，熊猫看上去也挺可怜的，过得好不好不知道，每次去看的人都很多。 不知道世界上还有什么别的动物是只有一个国家独有，然后政府人工繁殖，花钱租赁到世界各地给人观赏，再继续繁殖的。
这些太大的事儿现在没法想太多。中国是一滩烂泥，Memphis Zoo也是shithole.
上窜下跳的！
禁止中国人买房买地：哎呀，说的是不许买农业地吧／公民可以买吧／绿卡可以买吧，不用太敏感吧。
这我刚加的，你贴的过时了。
你知不知道促成孟菲斯熊猫租赁的是当时的驻华大使尚慕杰，前田州参议院，戈尔的盟友 还有孟菲斯的市长 民主党。还有刚退下来的杨老虎。 这里哪一个是红脖子？
这我本来还真不知道。但是，我总对Memphis这种红脖地方不信任。而且，这和我说的不矛盾呀，我就猜测，当时是中美友好克林顿时期（虽然后来我查了是小布什时期了已经），所以挑的好熊猫去的。但是后来，这田纳西本身不是个红脖子地儿？
是又怎样？孟菲斯一直是蓝的。 就算红脖州又怎样？就没好人？ 在红脖州的中国人受到的歧视最多永远都是来自天朝强国！ 你贴几个似是而非的视频，和没有任何有可信度的文章在这里挑动仇恨对立，真是无聊。
一个24小时公开视频监控的专业团队，说话绝对比你一个网上匿名阴谋论者有credit!
我看的是panda voices和IDA，他们都是在美国的团体，美国人主导的，指控Memphis Zoo的人有名有姓，有什么问题？怎么就是似是而非？他们说的Memphis Zoo不听熊猫粉丝的意见，拉黑屏蔽人，难道是假的？在YouTube有很多视频，也是假的?TN不是红脖子地儿？有说是红脖子所以就阴谋了熊猫吗？如果你相信红脖子对熊猫好，那应该觉得是红脖子的骄傲呀。说明红脖子淳朴善良，善待熊猫呀。
你口气好像外交部发言人啊。
好 你只是投诉动物园， 那就跟红不红脖子州没关系了？！
你认为动物园有问题，你可以拿着录像报警虐待动物，不行可以给郡检察官 州检察官办公室投诉，还可以给当地州议员 国会议员投诉。 你还可以给熊猫所有方CAZG投诉，可以写信给尚大使杨老虎戈尔克林顿等人的办公室。 动物园职员不一定有回复网络言论的职责。他们已经在网站上解释一切了。
但是你什么都没做，只在这里煽动偏见与仇恨。Shame on you!
过了足24岁，说25岁不行啊 人的寿命都千差万别 熊猫寿命都要一样啊？ 不能有个体差异，水土不服，生老病死的啊？
熊猫幼崽2岁送回是通常情况，具体看协议如何签署 熊猫幼崽多半时间需要父母和工作人员精心呵护，有多大的利益，请拿出详细证据 把熊猫往死了用，也请拿出详细证据
没有事实证据，就请不要把厉害国那套思维方式随意投射到其他事情上
你说的那帮人能亮出兽医证的吗？
动物园小熊猫头两年是最可爱最吸引游客的，培育熊猫幼崽当然有利可图。
熊猫幼崽照片如下 早期需要特殊条件精心呵护，不然很容易夭折 根本不适合展出 长大一点又要送回 这种吃力不讨好，请问如何大肆牟利？
孟菲斯动物园据说因为疫情，效益很不好。买不起进口好竹子。美国苹果胡萝卜不是很便宜吗
我也纳闷啊……还有成天拿着牌子站在Canada goose店门口的动物保护主义者呢？怎么都消失了