不仅大人努力，小孩也是卷王。那天看到一个刚高中毕业的印度小孩帖子，感到精神健康危机很快会在二代印裔中大爆发 This is going to something of a complex analysis that is going to offend some people, but it''s been confirmed thousands of times over in the last few decades. There are three primary reasons why South Asian students have dominated the TJ admissions process in the decade prior to the recent improvements: 1) As a cohort, they are FAR more interested in attending TJ regardless of the expense to the family than other cohorts, and the application numbers bear that out. A small part of this is because of the exceptional STEM-focused education that TJ offers, but a far greater part of it is the prestige that the TJ car magnet affords parents within their community. TJ has provided a world-class secondary education for three and a half decades now, but it is no accident that the gigantic influx of South Asian applicants and then students entered the school just after TJ was named the #1 High School in America by US News and World Report back in the late ''00s. Year over year, TJ was approximately 5% South Asian prior to this boom - indeed, Middle Eastern students were a slightly larger cohort at TJ than South Asians in the before times. And that never-ending search for prestige continues once students are at TJ, with a laser-like focus on "T10" or "T20" or "HYPSM" instead of actually seeking a good fit for the child. There is a mistaken belief among this community that a degree from Harvard is a ticket to networking for the rest of your life - but in reality, that was the case in mainstream America only as recently as the 90s and early 2000s. The belief in this golden ticket theory continues to pervade in South Asian circles because when they''re amongst their own, an elite degree absolutely still has that same level of cachet. 2) Because of a combination of 1) an over-reliance on exam scores in the old American college admissions dynamic and 2) a complete and total reliance on exam scores in elite Asian university admissions processes, South Asians - who again, understandably seek prestige above all else as a separator coming from a nation of over a billion people - are socially engineered to believe that exam scores are the strongest indicator of merit and that it is incumbent upon them to ensure that their child is as well-prepared as possible for whatever exam might befall them. Evidence to the contrary from institutions like Caltech be damned - these people engage in the relatively circular logical pattern where the evidence to support the idea that exam scores are an indicator of merit... are the exam scores themselves. 3) It is a relatively unique American quality to allow one''s children to explore their own paths from a young age and to figure out what they are passionate about and want to pursue. This is largely because America is a fairly wealthy country and as a consequence, families are not totally beholden to the child making huge money in order to survive. In addition, American families are not remitting large sums of money back home to their places of origin, draining our economy of the money that they and eventually their children earn here. India is consistently the largest recipient of remittances from America, with $87 billion transferring out of the American economy and into India''s in 2021 alone. Wouldn''t you know it - consistently #2 is China. The combination of the immigrant ethic for the parent to exercise a large amount of control over a child''s path (in the case of India, up to and including the selection of a marriage partner) and the zealous obsession with the prestige of TJ creates a dynamic where elementary and middle school children of South Asian descent are streamlined into STEM-focused activities from an earlier and earlier age. A poster on another thread mentioned the alternative to getting into TJ as working as a "barista or call center" employee - not too tough to guess where they were coming from. For so many of these kids - not all, but more than enough that it creates a mental health crisis within that community that they stigmatize to an incredible extent - they are literally prevented by their parents from becoming what they should in service of the pursuit of the TJ car magnet. The phrase that they repeatedly hear is "how is THAT going to help you get into TJ?" Activities that are proven time and time again to be some of the most healthy for developing brains to pursue in the elementary and middle school time frames... things like athletics, the arts, free unstructured play with friends or alone, and others all go by the wayside in pursuit of the prestige of TJ. The number of TJ kids who report activities that they enjoyed growing up but stopped once they reached middle school would absolutely shock you. The previous admissions process, with its emphasis on exam scores and demonstrated evidence of a passion for STEM, strongly incentivized all of the above. You can ascribe nearly all of the neuroses that are ever-present on platforms like TJ Vents to this demonstrably destructive parental behavior. And at times, the children exhibit almost a Stockholm Syndrome-like reverence of these methods if they happen to escape into a profession that they hate, but makes them enough money to afford the opulence that is so crucial to their social standing within the community. The new admissions process is a critical improvement to the health of this community because it disincentivizes many of these negative behaviors. Parents, of course, are welcome to raise (and either support or damage) their children in whatever manner they choose - but at least they won''t be as obviously rewarded for doing it by this new process. And at least other parents within the community won''t feel as though they are lesser parents because they DON''T subscribe to this nonsense. Signed, A kid who survived it and recently graduated from TJ
This is going to something of a complex analysis that is going to offend some people, but it''s been confirmed thousands of times over in the last few decades.
There are three primary reasons why South Asian students have dominated the TJ admissions process in the decade prior to the recent improvements:
1) As a cohort, they are FAR more interested in attending TJ regardless of the expense to the family than other cohorts, and the application numbers bear that out. A small part of this is because of the exceptional STEM-focused education that TJ offers, but a far greater part of it is the prestige that the TJ car magnet affords parents within their community. TJ has provided a world-class secondary education for three and a half decades now, but it is no accident that the gigantic influx of South Asian applicants and then students entered the school just after TJ was named the #1 High School in America by US News and World Report back in the late ''00s. Year over year, TJ was approximately 5% South Asian prior to this boom - indeed, Middle Eastern students were a slightly larger cohort at TJ than South Asians in the before times.
And that never-ending search for prestige continues once students are at TJ, with a laser-like focus on "T10" or "T20" or "HYPSM" instead of actually seeking a good fit for the child. There is a mistaken belief among this community that a degree from Harvard is a ticket to networking for the rest of your life - but in reality, that was the case in mainstream America only as recently as the 90s and early 2000s. The belief in this golden ticket theory continues to pervade in South Asian circles because when they''re amongst their own, an elite degree absolutely still has that same level of cachet.
2) Because of a combination of 1) an over-reliance on exam scores in the old American college admissions dynamic and 2) a complete and total reliance on exam scores in elite Asian university admissions processes, South Asians - who again, understandably seek prestige above all else as a separator coming from a nation of over a billion people - are socially engineered to believe that exam scores are the strongest indicator of merit and that it is incumbent upon them to ensure that their child is as well-prepared as possible for whatever exam might befall them. Evidence to the contrary from institutions like Caltech be damned - these people engage in the relatively circular logical pattern where the evidence to support the idea that exam scores are an indicator of merit... are the exam scores themselves.
3) It is a relatively unique American quality to allow one''s children to explore their own paths from a young age and to figure out what they are passionate about and want to pursue. This is largely because America is a fairly wealthy country and as a consequence, families are not totally beholden to the child making huge money in order to survive. In addition, American families are not remitting large sums of money back home to their places of origin, draining our economy of the money that they and eventually their children earn here. India is consistently the largest recipient of remittances from America, with $87 billion transferring out of the American economy and into India''s in 2021 alone. Wouldn''t you know it - consistently #2 is China.
The combination of the immigrant ethic for the parent to exercise a large amount of control over a child''s path (in the case of India, up to and including the selection of a marriage partner) and the zealous obsession with the prestige of TJ creates a dynamic where elementary and middle school children of South Asian descent are streamlined into STEM-focused activities from an earlier and earlier age. A poster on another thread mentioned the alternative to getting into TJ as working as a "barista or call center" employee - not too tough to guess where they were coming from. For so many of these kids - not all, but more than enough that it creates a mental health crisis within that community that they stigmatize to an incredible extent - they are literally prevented by their parents from becoming what they should in service of the pursuit of the TJ car magnet. The phrase that they repeatedly hear is "how is THAT going to help you get into TJ?"
Activities that are proven time and time again to be some of the most healthy for developing brains to pursue in the elementary and middle school time frames... things like athletics, the arts, free unstructured play with friends or alone, and others all go by the wayside in pursuit of the prestige of TJ. The number of TJ kids who report activities that they enjoyed growing up but stopped once they reached middle school would absolutely shock you.
The previous admissions process, with its emphasis on exam scores and demonstrated evidence of a passion for STEM, strongly incentivized all of the above. You can ascribe nearly all of the neuroses that are ever-present on platforms like TJ Vents to this demonstrably destructive parental behavior. And at times, the children exhibit almost a Stockholm Syndrome-like reverence of these methods if they happen to escape into a profession that they hate, but makes them enough money to afford the opulence that is so crucial to their social standing within the community.
The new admissions process is a critical improvement to the health of this community because it disincentivizes many of these negative behaviors. Parents, of course, are welcome to raise (and either support or damage) their children in whatever manner they choose - but at least they won''t be as obviously rewarded for doing it by this new process. And at least other parents within the community won''t feel as though they are lesser parents because they DON''T subscribe to this nonsense.
Signed,
A kid who survived it and recently graduated from TJ
确实，他们也鸡娃，真是让人没好日子过啊。
可以不跟他们一起卷，小孩精神健康重要
Ownership这一点确实服气，我周围这样的印度同事也比较多，有时候会为了保证产品质量据理力争，和上司顶牛，结果是有的上去了，有的走人了。这点和老中打哈哈的风格不一样。
不能只盯着他们坏的，得学他们的长处。 我们公司很大，不少印度人，高层也是印度比华人多，华人的高层基本都在Asian.或者专门负责中国市场。 烙印高层领导带一帮白人不稀奇。 我们公司的烙印差的真的很差，没有能力，工作也不积极。好的真的是太强了。烙印同事比华人还鸡娃
高中毕业，也许都进名校。大学里，和大学毕业后，差距立刻开始大了。
印度二代纷纷在各个领域出头，不管名校还是普校毕业。
华二代大多找个工作，出头的不多。
这个说法无法解释为啥二代印度裔也出头的多
ownership也是leadership的一部分
因为人家发展思路本身就适合民主社会，培养口才和leadership，华人本身或是说整个亚裔还是搞技术的思路，就连在亚洲也一样。所以印度裔当有可靠的人给他们干这些hands-on 的技术活时，这个社会就运转没问题，没有就和印度一样
很同意这个。华人做产品用心最多的就是注重细节性能质量啥的。烙印就算是搞研发搞测试的，也总会想着办法把产品推销出去。野路子也用反正能出货就行。必须说人家真是拿公司当自己家事业来干的。 真说到技术层面，烙印没那么糟华人更没什么大牛。
华一代和印一代一样拼，华二代普遍没啥拼劲满足现状，印二代保持一代拼劲，甩掉了口音，印二代都拼到英国首相美国副总统啦。
我们学区印度娃差不多1/3，真心卷，感觉比华人之间还卷
华二代创业的不是很多吗？Doordash之类的，世界上最年轻十亿富翁不是 ABC吗，为啥不是印二代呢？ 要说搞政治华人确实出不了头，出身不好，黑五类，被系统性不信任，不可能有好结果
整个一个劣等民族。
😄怎么我看老中是该发言的时候沉默，然后背后抱怨
近20年移民北美的老中素质还是非常到位的，需要时间适应国际贯厉；period;