理解大家的心情，我看了其实也挺难受的，只能说要在第一时间给受害者最大的全方位的帮助 孙在事发前后先后有两次指控，一次是学校的TitleIX report，一次是restraining order request, 但后来都自己撤销了，在撤销的报告她写到， “I am sure you can understand more how hard it is to get to position [like professor and EALC head] today. It was an effort of twenty years. I will not be the one to screw everything. I loved, and love him.” “I . . . want to thank Professor Gary Xu for everything he’s done for me in spite of the troubles I brought to him. The two classes I took from Professor Xu were the most inspiring courses at UIUC.” “Everything professor Xu says . . . is true. He never beat me. He never really had sex with me. He had always been really nice to me. I am sorry for giving him so many troubles.”
理解大家的心情，我看了其实也挺难受的，只能说要在第一时间给受害者最大的全方位的帮助 孙在事发前后先后有两次指控，一次是学校的TitleIX report，一次是restraining order request, 但后来都自己撤销了，在撤销的报告她写到， “I am sure you can understand more how hard it is to get to position [like professor and EALC head] today. It was an effort of twenty years. I will not be the one to screw everything. I loved, and love him.” “I . . . want to thank Professor Gary Xu for everything he’s done for me in spite of the troubles I brought to him. The two classes I took from Professor Xu were the most inspiring courses at UIUC.” “Everything professor Xu says . . . is true. He never beat me. He never really had sex with me. He had always been really nice to me. I am sorry for giving him so many troubles.” Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 13:29
理解大家的心情，我看了其实也挺难受的，只能说要在第一时间给受害者最大的全方位的帮助 孙在事发前后先后有两次指控，一次是学校的TitleIX report，一次是restraining order request, 但后来都自己撤销了，在撤销的报告她写到， “I am sure you can understand more how hard it is to get to position [like professor and EALC head] today. It was an effort of twenty years. I will not be the one to screw everything. I loved, and love him.” “I . . . want to thank Professor Gary Xu for everything he’s done for me in spite of the troubles I brought to him. The two classes I took from Professor Xu were the most inspiring courses at UIUC.” “Everything professor Xu says . . . is true. He never beat me. He never really had sex with me. He had always been really nice to me. I am sorry for giving him so many troubles.” Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 13:29
理解大家的心情，我看了其实也挺难受的，只能说要在第一时间给受害者最大的全方位的帮助 孙在事发前后先后有两次指控，一次是学校的TitleIX report，一次是restraining order request, 但后来都自己撤销了，在撤销的报告她写到， “I am sure you can understand more how hard it is to get to position [like professor and EALC head] today. It was an effort of twenty years. I will not be the one to screw everything. I loved, and love him.” “I . . . want to thank Professor Gary Xu for everything he’s done for me in spite of the troubles I brought to him. The two classes I took from Professor Xu were the most inspiring courses at UIUC.” “Everything professor Xu says . . . is true. He never beat me. He never really had sex with me. He had always been really nice to me. I am sorry for giving him so many troubles.” Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 13:29
理解大家的心情，我看了其实也挺难受的，只能说要在第一时间给受害者最大的全方位的帮助 孙在事发前后先后有两次指控，一次是学校的TitleIX report，一次是restraining order request, 但后来都自己撤销了，在撤销的报告她写到， “I am sure you can understand more how hard it is to get to position [like professor and EALC head] today. It was an effort of twenty years. I will not be the one to screw everything. I loved, and love him.” “I . . . want to thank Professor Gary Xu for everything he’s done for me in spite of the troubles I brought to him. The two classes I took from Professor Xu were the most inspiring courses at UIUC.” “Everything professor Xu says . . . is true. He never beat me. He never really had sex with me. He had always been really nice to me. I am sorry for giving him so many troubles.” Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 13:29
他在法庭上承认恋情了吗？他可以说官司赢了并没有跟学生恋爱。 miaka 发表于 2023-01-14 14:04
按原告陈述，UIUC 2016年调查报告里结论是有 (“[T]he existence of a sexual relationship between the parties has been established by a preponderance of the evidence. In addition, there is a preponderance of evidence establishing that such a sexual relationship existed during the semesters in which Professor Xu participated in academic decision-making over Ms. Sun[.]”) 法律文件中徐对此回应是，承认报告存在，没有复述结论，it is what it is
女方在原告陈述中说有很多次，且其中几次是强迫 学校调查里结论是有性关系。在这个结论出来以后，女方发给学校说“He never beat me. He never really had sex with me”就是上面这段。后来在法庭文件中她说这是徐让他这么写的。对女方非常不利的，是证词前后矛盾，几次后面推翻前面
女方在原告陈述中说有很多次，且其中几次是强迫 学校调查里结论是有性关系。在这个结论出来以后，女方发给学校说“He never beat me. He never really had sex with me”就是上面这段。后来在法庭文件中她说这是徐让他这么写的。对女方非常不利的，是证词前后矛盾，几次后面推翻前面 Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 15:33
按原告陈述，UIUC 2016年调查报告里结论是有 (“[T]he existence of a sexual relationship between the parties has been established by a preponderance of the evidence. In addition, there is a preponderance of evidence establishing that such a sexual relationship existed during the semesters in which Professor Xu participated in academic decision-making over Ms. Sun[.]”) 法律文件中徐对此回应是，承认报告存在，没有复述结论，it is what it is
女方在原告陈述中说有很多次，且其中几次是强迫 学校调查里结论是有性关系。在这个结论出来以后，女方发给学校说“He never beat me. He never really had sex with me”就是上面这段。后来在法庭文件中她说这是徐让他这么写的。对女方非常不利的，是证词前后矛盾，几次后面推翻前面 Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 15:33
徐告王具体指控是Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress 他列举的一些： 14. On March 12, 2018, Wang published an online post on the social media platform called Zhihu in which he cited to posts he made to another online social medial platform called Douban that was titled, “About school campus sexual assault offenders, what I saw, what I thought, what I can do.” Wang posted that, “This person has a history of bad behaviors, has been sexually assaulting students for nearly 20 years, and has finally been forced to change schools.” The post continues that, “This person is Xu Gang.” The post continued to identify Xu by saying, “His English name is Gary Xu, Associate Professor of the East Asian Institute of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.” The post continued that Wang had published the accusations to, “expose [Xu’s] sexual harassment and threat, and use of violent measures against students for nearly 20 years.” 16. From March 11, 2018 through March 19, 2018, Wang published posts, broadcasts, referrals, and retransmissions, mentioning repeatedly that Xu had committed “sexual assault” and “sexual harassment” of women. The posts includes statements such as, “I have known about his history of sexual assault/sexual harassment of female students for nearly 20 years, including targeting female teachers” and statements such as, “Xu Gang, why is it that you have a habit of beating people?”
徐告王具体指控是Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress 他列举的一些： 14. On March 12, 2018, Wang published an online post on the social media platform called Zhihu in which he cited to posts he made to another online social medial platform called Douban that was titled, “About school campus sexual assault offenders, what I saw, what I thought, what I can do.” Wang posted that, “This person has a history of bad behaviors, has been sexually assaulting students for nearly 20 years, and has finally been forced to change schools.” The post continues that, “This person is Xu Gang.” The post continued to identify Xu by saying, “His English name is Gary Xu, Associate Professor of the East Asian Institute of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.” The post continued that Wang had published the accusations to, “expose [Xu’s] sexual harassment and threat, and use of violent measures against students for nearly 20 years.” 16. From March 11, 2018 through March 19, 2018, Wang published posts, broadcasts, referrals, and retransmissions, mentioning repeatedly that Xu had committed “sexual assault” and “sexual harassment” of women. The posts includes statements such as, “I have known about his history of sexual assault/sexual harassment of female students for nearly 20 years, including targeting female teachers” and statements such as, “Xu Gang, why is it that you have a habit of beating people?” Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 15:48
徐告王具体指控是Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress 他列举的一些： 14. On March 12, 2018, Wang published an online post on the social media platform called Zhihu in which he cited to posts he made to another online social medial platform called Douban that was titled, “About school campus sexual assault offenders, what I saw, what I thought, what I can do.” Wang posted that, “This person has a history of bad behaviors, has been sexually assaulting students for nearly 20 years, and has finally been forced to change schools.” The post continues that, “This person is Xu Gang.” The post continued to identify Xu by saying, “His English name is Gary Xu, Associate Professor of the East Asian Institute of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.” The post continued that Wang had published the accusations to, “expose [Xu’s] sexual harassment and threat, and use of violent measures against students for nearly 20 years.” 16. From March 11, 2018 through March 19, 2018, Wang published posts, broadcasts, referrals, and retransmissions, mentioning repeatedly that Xu had committed “sexual assault” and “sexual harassment” of women. The posts includes statements such as, “I have known about his history of sexual assault/sexual harassment of female students for nearly 20 years, including targeting female teachers” and statements such as, “Xu Gang, why is it that you have a habit of beating people?” Perseus2000 发表于 2023-01-14 15:48
这是法理上。实际上呢？这个案，章莹颖案。。。王敖以前可能对美国有点美好幻想，以为再怎么都黑不过中国，在中国他还赢了呢。
理解大家的心情，我看了其实也挺难受的，只能说要在第一时间给受害者最大的全方位的帮助
孙在事发前后先后有两次指控，一次是学校的TitleIX report，一次是restraining order request, 但后来都自己撤销了，在撤销的报告她写到，
“I am sure you can understand more how hard it is to get to position [like professor and EALC head] today. It was an effort of twenty years. I will not be the one to screw everything. I loved, and love him.”
“I . . . want to thank Professor Gary Xu for everything he’s done for me in spite of the troubles I brought to him. The two classes I took from Professor Xu were the most inspiring courses at UIUC.” “Everything professor Xu says . . . is true. He never beat me. He never really had sex with me. He had always been really nice to me. I am sorry for giving him so many troubles.”
徐的案子是民事诉讼，没有刑事上的
她自己self-contradicting自己。让她的指控变得不可信了。 不管我们怎么相信她，也必须在法律的框架下做事情。她的自相矛盾，使得她的证词失去了别人信任。 法律最大程度保护所有人，既保护原告也要保护被告。作为陪审团你会怎么做？性侵是很严重的指控。在证人和证词不可信的情况下，疑罪从无。
当陪审不要培训吗？法盲就去随便决定别人的命运？
你这个完全是欲加之罪了
你这么一说陪审/法官不会还找受害者的茬吧？毕竟受害者去堕胎了，（现在）算违法了。
不管是不是强奸， 教授和学生也是职场性骚扰了， 利用自己的权力和影响对学生有一定胁迫作品。
我在国内研究生的时候遇到过，当时导师把我单独叫到办公室讨论我的论文，突然就问我怎么没找男朋友(当时空窗期)，还飞快亲了我额头，我都吓呆了！真的是没有想到平时道貌岸然的导师是这样的，我赶紧说您都可以当我父亲了，然后跑了。还好禽兽导师当时没硬来。当时真的不知道要怎么保护自己，也很怕导师不给毕业。这个事和一个关系好的师兄说过，他也给不了什么意见。我只好飞快的找了个男朋友，还好后来顺利毕业了出国了。在国外遇到的导师倒是很正派，虽然科研上一点指导和帮助也没有。 唉，这个事真的也算是我求学过程的一个阴影。那个导师到现在也依然处于高位。
这应该不会， 没犯罪也违规了， 美国不允许师生恋， 正规的学校和公司也不允许上下级。
如果王教授去gofundme募捐，我们是捐款还是不捐？donate的钱用来赔款的话。 王大侠真倒霉。
美国和中国法律的区别是是否舆论判案。 在国内很多案件的判决会被舆论裹挟， 所以可以先造势， 在舆论上占上风。 可是美国不行， 没没定的罪你不能在网上随便宣扬， 王敖和受害人是没想清楚这点， 让别人钻空子了。
建议王敖出书，至少中国肯定喜闻乐见这种故事来说明美帝国主义的黑暗，70万不在话下。
这个案子非常有意义。如果再用女学生被教授猥琐，PUA， 想告之后，又被对方话术操纵 就用这个案子去告诉别人，打算告了，只要你说的是真的，就不要withdraw自己的经历
同时如果一个大学对于一个跟自校现任学生发生感情纠结的教授不停职开除，这个大学太让人失望了
不是19岁的本科生吗？ 研究生是有上下级关系不行， 对本科生应该都不行
他在法庭上承认恋情了吗？他可以说官司赢了并没有跟学生恋爱。
就是总体民风歧视女性吧，这种民风也没有对错，只能躲着走，难道非要掉坑里然后控诉社会
相信你 今天我想起来，在国内上大学的时候，被擦边性骚扰的时候多了。只要你长着一副涉世不深人畜无害的脸，被个别大学老师在大学舞厅里或一些隐秘场所强搂强抱，肯定有几回。我不相信我是少数人。
总体民风其实更歧视亚裔男性。但是这个案子牵扯到UIUC
连你都不相信她。 所以，这跟红州蓝州有啥关系？
国内我没碰到过老师这样干的。社会上不少咸猪手，坐公交走路不得宁日。国内那绝对是继承古代社会12，3岁就认为是适婚妇女的精神。
伊利诺伊我真没觉得多蓝，伊利诺伊在美国最有名的是黑和腐败
根美国总体比较蓝的州是纽约，加州，佛罗里达，新泽西，弗吉尼亚，马里兰，华盛顿州
听着像被叫兽和叫兽夫人情绪操控了
教授夫人这也挺忙啊，还要处理这种棘手问题，还要网上发帖倾诉
我明白你想维护的是男人认可的社会秩序
这种案子还有Me Too就是让男人知道别手脚言语不干净
碰瓷是极少数，妓女半程说不玩了是没有职业精神，你碰上了就得停，下次别找她就是了，不停那就是强奸咯
她帖子里都说了和心狠手辣的叫兽一起对付女学生，后来跟叫兽关系更近了
这个Ao Wang 似乎跟徐刚是同一个研究领域的，两人之前在research 课题上不知道有没有过节，有意思。
Me2运动是很有进步意义的 在性侵性骚扰案件中，极少有直接证人，如果不能在第一时间收集直接证据，日后往往变成she says he says 而受害人往往当时正处于巨大的心理痛苦之中，需要身边的人和组织提供心理上的法律上的实质性帮助才能最大程度维护自身权益和社会正义
国内上小学高年级的时候去课外上数学辅导班， 各个学校学生都有， 有个老师就是上课对很多女学生动手动脚， 那时候太小不懂， 只是觉得老师很奇怪， 就干脆逃课不去上了， 现在想来对小学生上课时候动手动脚真是色胆包天。
这个就不知道， 但我估计那么多人指控他和学生有不正当关系肯定是有的， 就算定性不了强奸， 违反学校规定是有的吧。
你这个剧说太没根据了， 就光雄性激素和雌性激素的区别就导致男的随时下半身思考，难以 控制自己的比例远比女的高。 就算是欲望旺盛， 男的也比女的比例高多了。 这种和很多女的有染的渣男基本是基因决定的， 你所谓女的比男的多这个一点都站不住脚也刚好和事实相反。
有过交集（是不是过节，就自己判断吧），Ao Wang毕业的时候申请过UIUC，徐刚如果不是当时的系主任，至少也是当时committee 成员，Ao Wang被拒了，而且Wang在北大读书的时候，徐去北大访问，他就和徐有过交集（他自述的）
我觉得Wang对这件事有超过一般人的投入，你们如果知道这件事，会实名去发帖让徐社死吗？我觉得大多数人都不会。但Wang的投入有没有带私人感情色彩在内，不确定的事我就不评论了，冤枉了人也不好
两个女生都回中国了吧，不会专程回来作证。
有又如何。很多坏人不仅是男女私德败坏，对同行估计也下黑手，被人恨不奇怪。
反正你就是不信这个社会有正义，有大侠，有人愿意不为利益挺身而出
王敖我昨天看了一下，他一个不错的女同学因为这个自杀了，他很受刺激，而且施害者不是徐刚
说实话，女孩子自己也不要太弱势了，发生了一次是别人趁虚而入了，有第二次，第三次，甚至长期性虐又算什么呢？
别人绑住你了吗？关地下室了吗？是荒无人烟的地方吗？有孩子有责任吗？
维护自己，保护自己的第一道防线是自己，之后才是support system，道德和法律
王跟徐不是同一个领域的，王比徐年轻一大截但是research水平比徐好。徐爬得位置高主要是因为：1. 入行早占坑早； 2.会搞关系； 3. 徐后来转搞当代艺术，跟某些在西方特别有受众的艺术家合作(至于是哪些就不说了)，这个也跟他家庭背景有关，他用这个身份回国搞了很多艺术策展。 王和徐在业界没有利益冲突，王本身就是一个打抱不平的人
完全同意
就算法律因为各种各样的原因不站在自己这边，能说出来闹大也能震慑很多人
这个材料女孩也是否认发生过性行为，前面还有人说是记者写错了，这样看并没有 很难理解在一起的时间长达几年，没有一点证据能够证明两人之间的关系的，比如她了解被告的隐秘的身体特征，两人之间示爱的证据，争吵的证据，去旅馆的日期，同实验室的人的证词等等
话说，这种事情，我一般是相信女生这一边。一个人可能是诬告，但这么多人站出来，这个教授没有问题我不怎么相信。
按原告陈述，UIUC 2016年调查报告里结论是有
(“[T]he existence of a sexual relationship between the parties has been established by a preponderance of the evidence. In addition, there is a preponderance of evidence establishing that such a sexual relationship existed during the semesters in which Professor Xu participated in academic decision-making over Ms. Sun[.]”)
法律文件中徐对此回应是，承认报告存在，没有复述结论，it is what it is
王申请过UIUC没什么好奇怪的，大家申请美国研究生的时候都申请多个学校。王没去UIUC是因为他有更好的学校去。徐除了年纪比王大，入行比王早之外，水平是不及王的。
不是所有人都要因为有自己利益牵扯才站出来的
一共站出来两个？
女方在原告陈述中说有很多次，且其中几次是强迫
学校调查里结论是有性关系。在这个结论出来以后，女方发给学校说“He never beat me. He never really had sex with me”就是上面这段。后来在法庭文件中她说这是徐让他这么写的。对女方非常不利的，是证词前后矛盾，几次后面推翻前面
记者写的庭审也是按没有发生性行为辩护的
这种态度，徐能逃脱rape的罪名，甚至证明王在rape的声称上面defamation了都稍可理解，还能反过来罚王巨额罚款。不管红蓝，这看上去就是黑得很。
徐什么背景？他有背景，在国内都是王赢，真是对美国司法的莫大讽刺 不过美国司法的莫大讽刺近年很多
哎呀，徐45岁，20年前，他还不在UIUC吧，自己都还没毕业吧，何来因为录取记仇之说呢？ 这种都拿出来说，我认为徐的辩护并不高明，都有点狗急跳墙了。
作为弱势群体，法律反过来罚款，对这个判决非常不理解。如果没有黑箱，请有人出来解释为什么？？
天哪 小女孩被叫兽威逼利诱改词了
莱温斯基没法证明克林顿强奸
叫兽夫人跟叫兽联手猎杀受害女生有关吧
感觉是年轻受害者被威逼利诱改词造成不利影响了
你这个准备用来证据支持所有强奸犯吗？
伊利诺伊本来就以黑著称
the good wife还有好多政律片都选芝加哥
国内庭审时没有联手？ 不过这种女人哪，我向来是认为，也都不是什么好东西，不是一家人不进一家门。坚持吃屎的那肚子里也都是屎。
徐告王具体指控是Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress 他列举的一些：
14. On March 12, 2018, Wang published an online post on the social media platform called Zhihu in which he cited to posts he made to another online social medial platform called Douban that was titled, “About school campus sexual assault offenders, what I saw, what I thought, what I can do.” Wang posted that, “This person has a history of bad behaviors, has been sexually assaulting students for nearly 20 years, and has finally been forced to change schools.” The post continues that, “This person is Xu Gang.” The post continued to identify Xu by saying, “His English name is Gary Xu, Associate Professor of the East Asian Institute of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.” The post continued that Wang had published the accusations to, “expose [Xu’s] sexual harassment and threat, and use of violent measures against students for nearly 20 years.”
16. From March 11, 2018 through March 19, 2018, Wang published posts, broadcasts, referrals, and retransmissions, mentioning repeatedly that Xu had committed “sexual assault” and “sexual harassment” of women. The posts includes statements such as, “I have known about his history of sexual assault/sexual harassment of female students for nearly 20 years, including targeting female teachers” and statements such as, “Xu Gang, why is it that you have a habit of beating people?”
那俩应该大部分时间在美国 然而两个受害女生都回国了
这也没说错啊 跟上来得瑟猎杀弱者成功的叫兽老婆的言论不谋而合，都提到了叫兽多年一直
王熬能用叫兽老婆的帖子作为证据再告吗 赔偿70万 大部分身家都没了吧
离了吗？
客观真相，自己认为的真相，法庭上能证明的真相，是不同的概念啊 你能在法庭上证明发帖的是教授夫人吗，就算能确定是本人如果她自称是写小说你能证明不是吗
徐的背景只对他专业有帮助，出了专业领域没什么用。徐的LP不是大陆人，隔壁帖子跟她没关系
建议出书，也可以说是写小说，国内炒作一下
一声叹息 弱者被猎杀的好惨 正义之士也栽跟头
所以教授夫人说女孩被降维打击了、还说人家活该。😡
微信群台湾人也很多用简体字的
徐钢发布声明？其实又是变相威胁
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徐怎么45岁，徐是和孙XX的时候，45岁，你看新闻都不看仔细
看了这么多，我觉得你说的这个是有道理的，我也猜测，王敖选择在中国国内用舆论曝光这事，陪审团也许觉得，无论事实真假，事先用这种方式去披露另一方是不妥的？
后来发现看漏了一次，女生报告了三次，收回了三次
这个女方的律师，Anne Olivarius，搜出来很出众啊，是个著名大律师。 纽约人，可能还是单纯了，没想到大农村能多黑。
觉得没有必要因为一个学校的个别老师就嫌弃它。UIUC还是很好的学校
那也一般应该不至于此, given 徐钢有这么多漏洞比如我贴那个。再说他又很有面子吗？也不过一个亚裔男发考题。
还有章莹颖啊，这学校看来风水不好
个人意见，徐这里很厉害的地方，是把一个别人告他的案子，变成了一个互诉的案子。女方告他性暴力，王告他造成精神损失，他告女方和王defamation+造成精神损失 这样在陪审团判女方证据不成立时，也就完成了对徐造成精神损失的关键要素。徐确实有损失，关键在于被指控的是否不实，实就是活该，不实就可能诠释成类似网暴
这个案子案情很多很复杂，居然2小时判。就这点我看就诡秘
女方三次报告，三次收回自己的报告，对自己很不利 在女方原告陈述中，多次提到当时爱他，相信他。这在道德法庭上或许有利，但在法律上绝对是不利的。这就把当时的关系客观定性为恋爱关系，在觉醒之后再要证明其中一部分是被强迫的，要说服陪审团，难度很大
我还是相信，女方有很多不妥，徐方破绽也不少，这么草草判决，巨额赔偿。。。
但是往往这个取证的环节是最困难的 因为大部分女孩子在性侵之后都无法做到镇定 有的可能哭一晚上 有的可能会立刻去洗澡洗干净 那样的神仙都帮不了你了 犯罪分子就会逍遥法外
他还举了一个例子说情深深雨蒙蒙里面的那个绿萍 被小混混侵犯了之后第一件事就是马上洗澡 这是最要不得的 可是影视剧里都这么演 这也是大部分女生普遍的第一反应 所以才让性侵举证这件事情这么难 希望大家教自己家女孩子记住了 也希望全天下女孩子一辈子用不到这种知识
这个学校，现在给我的感觉就是一个变态集中的学校。前面有章莹莹，现在又这个事件，而且学校法官都支持被告，感觉水很深的地方。有选择的情况下，还要送自己女儿去这个学校，这是有多恨自己的娃，一定不是亲生的。
确实如此。王熬创作水平、学术水平比徐高一截。王90年代末2000初就小有名气了。 王2000来美读书，徐大概2001开始在uiuc教书，不存在没录取而怀恨在心。王后来去的学校比uiuc好。徐的学术水平不怎么样，也刚愎自用，不能容忍学生一丁点不同意见，但是吹嘘型人才。他能去哥伦比亚读博也得益于他前妻引见导师。 王和他不存在竞争关系。对此，很佩服王。大部分人都是事不关己高高挂起，何况王、徐同行，绝大部分人更不会因此跳出来发言。希望此事有后续，王不会因正义发声而受罚。
我昨天是搜到好像是王敖的大学同学因类似事件自杀了，所以他比较激动可以理解。不过他是追究学校经济赔偿的三人之一，这就奇怪了。 郭那个案子，点英语原文进去看，uc davis不愿意管是可以理解的，提告人和uc davis没有任何关系，事发也不在校园，但是也要告学校。感觉都是碰瓷思维。 关于多人指控的冤案，加拿大前几年有个非常有名的单身汉电台主持人，就碰到了四个前炮友联合起来告他强奸。当时me too高潮，媒体对审判全程跟进，双方的证据都报道了。作为普通人听完感觉那四人都是自愿的，最后也就是这么判的，导致加拿大me too没有再出现大规模仅凭受害人改口就上法庭的情况。但是这个主持人的职业生涯完全毁了，他是中东移民二代，融入主流的过程原来可以激励很多移民的，非常可惜。
美国人上大学基本上都是一堆炮友，如果就用这个告，基本上没有任何人无辜，女的将来也不保险，比如你凑近点说好，无意中碰个敏感部位。
这种有恋爱关系的取证也太难了，女方改口供，在法庭上撒谎可不是小事。