从川普的报税中学到的普通人也可用的一些小技巧,欢迎讨论

本大叔
楼主 (北美华人网)
报税季节快到,川普的报税手段普通人并不是都能运用,但是有的小手段,普通人还是有可以用到的,举两个例子。
老爸可以借钱给女儿,比如说定个5%的年利率,那么女儿就可以在她的报税里把要付的利息那部分钱deduct掉。
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。
川普用的很多手段,涉及到避税的vehicle要提前规划。但是家庭成员之间互相有息贷款,互相付费做consulting work,在普通家庭中还是很容易做到的。
本大叔是医生,不是CPA。这些小技巧是否可行,欢迎板上的tax professional讨论哈。
The congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, a bipartisan panel that is known for reviewing the impact of tax legislation and has a staff with deep tax law expertise, reviewed the Trump returns and found dozens of red flags that it believed required further investigation.
One involved transactions with his children. According to the tax data, Mr. Trump annually received tens of thousands of dollars in interest income from three of his grown children — Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric — money that stemmed from what his returns described as personal loans to them. The committee questioned whether the loans actually “were disguised gifts” to evade gift taxes and allow the children to write off interest payments to their father.
For instance, The Times reported that Mr. Trump had a pattern of writing off payments to unidentified consultants, totaling $26 million over nine years across all of his projects, and that at least some of that money went to his daughter Ivanka, even though she was earning a salary as an executive at his company. It raised the question of whether the payments reflected actual consulting work or were simply a way to claim an unwarranted tax deduction.
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哈哈
落地无声
难道不是提名一个财政部长,管着irs不让audit?
Mike, I think you don’t understand. The IRS was directed NOT to audit Trump. This was a violation of policy. It wasn’t weaponized against Trump, it was criming with Trump and Munchin in Trumps favor. You silly dolt. — Kevin MQ (@KevMQ123) December 22, 2022

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linkjk
还不错,谢分享
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Qiqiguaile
这个要每个人先注册一个公司吧?
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westlake
难道不是提名一个财政部长,管着irs不让audit?
Mike, I think you don’t understand. The IRS was directed NOT to audit Trump. This was a violation of policy. It wasn’t weaponized against Trump, it was criming with Trump and Munchin in Trumps favor. You silly dolt. — Kevin MQ (@KevMQ123) December 22, 2022


落地无声 发表于 2022-12-22 17:59

必须滴!
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jincieryi2008
要脸皮厚,本人学不来
金银岛
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。
老爸少交税,那女儿要多交税了吧。
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sswyu
左逼就是没有脑子, 你付费给家人做consulting 是可以算作开支抵税, 那难道收到consulting fee 就不用报税交税了么? 借款的利息是 可以抵税, 收到的利息难道就不用交税了么? 还以为这些手段有漏洞呢, 凭你们的脑子想得到 irs 想不到?
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xiaofuren
Consulting work deduct掉可以 收钱的那个人要报税
本大叔
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。
老爸少交税,那女儿要多交税了吧。
金银岛 发表于 2022-12-22 18:15

对啊,但是女儿不是也要付老爸利息嘛,哈哈。
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amyonego
这些都需要花钱请律师会计师还有注册公司,都要花钱啊!一般人有这个精力还不如老实报税呢。
本大叔
这个要每个人先注册一个公司吧?
Qiqiguaile 发表于 2022-12-22 18:04

不需要注册一个公司吧,比如老爸可以说跟老婆有erectile dysfunction的问题,找女儿做consulting来解决这个问题,需要付费给女儿。
即使需要成立公司,就成立一个sole proprietorship,然后去IRS申请个税号,也很简单,几分钟就可以解决呀。
金银岛
对啊,但是女儿不是也要付老爸利息嘛,哈哈。
本大叔 发表于 2022-12-22 18:18

那老爸拿到的利息不用交税吗?
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gokgs
大部分人都是 w2, 比较难。
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dongxiexidu
回复 1楼本大叔的帖子
老爸可以借钱给女儿,比如说定个5%的年利率,那么女儿就可以在她的报税里把要付的利息那部分钱deduct掉。
老爸要报利息收入。
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。 女儿要报consulting收入。
本大叔
那老爸拿到的利息不用交税吗?
金银岛 发表于 2022-12-22 18:45

每个人的tax bracket不一样呀。The congressional Joint Committee on Taxation发现有问题,你以为他们傻吗?
比如说川普在过去的20年里,交个人所得税的年份大约也就五六年吧,其余的年份tax bracket跟大街上的流浪汉是一类的。如果他女儿的tax bracket比较高的话,那通过有息借贷,consulting不是可以把tax bracket从高往低降吗?
本大叔
另外,比如说川普现在要买奥巴马care是没有资格的,因为他的收入低于联邦贫困线。通过有息贷款consulting这些神操作,不就可以把他的收入拉高到联邦贫困线以上,让他有资格买奥巴马care吗?
同理, 很多黄川粪的收入都在联邦贫困线以下,也没有资格买奥巴马care。通过川普教的这些手段,不就也让这些黄川粪们可以顺利的享受到免费的医疗健保吗?
金银岛
每个人的tax bracket不一样呀。The congressional Joint Committee on Taxation发现有问题,你以为他们傻吗?
比如说川普在过去的20年里,交个人所得税的年份大约也就五六年吧,其余的年份tax bracket跟大街上的流浪汉是一类的。如果他女儿的tax bracket比较高的话,那通过有息借贷,consulting不是可以把tax bracket从高往低降吗?

本大叔 发表于 2022-12-22 18:51

那对你有何参考价值呢?除非你同时还学川普只拿一美元年薪?
大衣被禁
不需要注册一个公司吧,比如老爸可以说跟老婆有erectile dysfunction的问题,找女儿做consulting来解决这个问题,需要付费给女儿。
即使需要成立公司,就成立一个sole proprietorship,然后去IRS申请个税号,也很简单,几分钟就可以解决呀。

本大叔 发表于 2022-12-22 18:22

您搞错了。 如果你有erectile dysfunction找女儿做consulting 要用你的after tax money,不能deduct的。
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半个马和甲
不需要注册一个公司吧,比如老爸可以说跟老婆有erectile dysfunction的问题,找女儿做consulting来解决这个问题,需要付费给女儿。
即使需要成立公司,就成立一个sole proprietorship,然后去IRS申请个税号,也很简单,几分钟就可以解决呀。

本大叔 发表于 2022-12-22 18:22

Related party transactions 了解一下。 另外,楼主好人。公布的tax return link 可以給下吗。我也想让我CPA看下^^
本大叔
那对你有何参考价值呢?除非你同时还学川普只拿一美元年薪?
金银岛 发表于 2022-12-22 18:58

对本大叔是没有什么参考价值,因为本大叔不在乎那么一点税钱,每年都老实报税。
但是既然这是总统教的,那还是要研究一下吧。既然可以在老爸和女儿之间互相有息贷款互相consulting,那也可以扩展到朋友之间,亲戚之间呀。这样扩展下去的话,是不是整个社会的tax bracket都可以降低到最低的水平呢?这个总统的带头示范作用是非常强大的呀。LOL
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btmofocean
左逼就是没有脑子, 你付费给家人做consulting 是可以算作开支抵税, 那难道收到consulting fee 就不用报税交税了么? 借款的利息是 可以抵税, 收到的利息难道就不用交税了么? 还以为这些手段有漏洞呢, 凭你们的脑子想得到 irs 想不到?
sswyu 发表于 2022-12-22 18:17

家长和孩子的收入不一定在同一个税率,有一定差别的
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SOSHELPPLZ
川普家的报税细节在哪里可以看到?
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EEswine
回复 1楼本大叔的帖子
家庭成员把税后的钱转成税前的钱,还要再交一遍税,这有什么赚的呢?
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Confuse
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。
老爸少交税,那女儿要多交税了吧。
金银岛 发表于 2022-12-22 18:15

看税率怎么合算。比如有的人就这样给孩子钱,税率低啊。
蔓蔓茵茵
你要学会如何loss
明月出天山
我倒是有一点启发了,我父母确实资助了我一大笔钱买房子,我也在还给他们。他们不是美国税务居民,那他们就不需要为收到的利息付税了。我可以抵税。这还真是一个办法
本大叔
我倒是有一点启发了,我父母确实资助了我一大笔钱买房子,我也在还给他们。他们不是美国税务居民,那他们就不需要为收到的利息付税了。我可以抵税。这还真是一个办法
明月出天山 发表于 2022-12-23 15:25

不错,很有长进,哈哈。
本大叔觉得,川鳖的启示就是只要脸皮够厚,省税的办法很多。也许过一阵子各大中文论坛的跳蚤市场,就会出现许多低收入的人把自己卖给高收入的人当名义上的consultant,就像卖信用卡的referral一样,LOL!
高收入的人名义上付 Consulting fee给低收入的人,可以省税。低收入的人可以因此得到一笔当白手套的费用,还可以把自己的可税收入拉高到联邦贫困线以上,在没有expand medicaid 的 states,由此可以获得免费的奥巴马care。绝大部分的黄川粉都属于低收入的人,所以川普的言传身教对他们来说可谓意义重大。
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sswyu
回复 29楼明月出天山的帖子
你想的太简单, 你要有借款合同和利息条款,然后每年还钱还要file 1042-s 还要有tax withold. 你父母收钱的时候要报税才能拿回withold 的那块, 然后中国的银行给你结汇 还可能会算作海外收入 给你父母报上去。
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sswyu
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guess
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。
老爸少交税,那女儿要多交税了吧。
金银岛 发表于 2022-12-22 18:15

这不是有税率差吗
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polyoma2002
老爸也可以付钱给女儿做consulting work。老爸在报税的时候就可以把付给女儿的这一部分钱deduct掉。
老爸少交税,那女儿要多交税了吧。
金银岛 发表于 2022-12-22 18:15

我也不是很懂税,但是猜想这些钱就都算business的收入,然后可以用这些钱买business有关的东西,computer,家具,车,甚至旅游的开销,这些又算成business 开销,就不需要交税了
明月出天山
回复 29楼明月出天山的帖子
你想的太简单, 你要有借款合同和利息条款,然后每年还钱还要file 1042-s 还要有tax withold. 你父母收钱的时候要报税才能拿回withold 的那块, 然后中国的银行给你结汇 还可能会算作海外收入 给你父母报上去。
sswyu 发表于 2022-12-23 15:53

有道理。这么麻烦那还是算了哈哈哈哈哈
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NewID2017
左逼就是没有脑子, 你付费给家人做consulting 是可以算作开支抵税, 那难道收到consulting fee 就不用报税交税了么? 借款的利息是 可以抵税, 收到的利息难道就不用交税了么? 还以为这些手段有漏洞呢, 凭你们的脑子想得到 irs 想不到?
sswyu 发表于 2022-12-22 18:17

每个人的tax bracket不一样啊,楼主说的两条确实可以利用一下。这个回帖有很大的误导性,收到的点赞却如此之多,莫非点赞的都是川粉
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MiaGoth
回复 29楼明月出天山的帖子
你想的太简单, 你要有借款合同和利息条款,然后每年还钱还要file 1042-s 还要有tax withold. 你父母收钱的时候要报税才能拿回withold 的那块, 然后中国的银行给你结汇 还可能会算作海外收入 给你父母报上去。
sswyu 发表于 2022-12-23 15:53

没错 而且利息不能乱订,否则人人订个高利贷好了