https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/briefing/monkeypox-cdc-walensky-covid.html One memorable example was officials’ initial, monthslong refusal to recommend that the public wear masks — not because they thought masks were ineffective, but because they worried that public demand would cause a shortage of masks for health care workers. ps: 没有帮cdc澄清的意思啊 就是震惊于他们会承认这件事 而且如果你看全文全是在指出cdc的种种错误
找到一个20年3月的新闻，一个nurse自己带N95被FIRE了 But in March her contract with Lake Granbury Medical Center ended prematurely. Randolph said she was essentially fired over her medical mask. She claimed the hospital's officials told her the mask scared their patients. “We were told we were mandated to not wear masks 24-7 due to 'quote' being scared," Randolph explained, "and also that we were scaring the public by wearing a mask at work." She protested.
找到一个20年3月的新闻，一个nurse自己带N95被FIRE了 But in March her contract with Lake Granbury Medical Center ended prematurely. Randolph said she was essentially fired over her medical mask. She claimed the hospital's officials told her the mask scared their patients. “We were told we were mandated to not wear masks 24-7 due to 'quote' being scared," Randolph explained, "and also that we were scaring the public by wearing a mask at work." She protested. vitd120 发表于 2022-08-18 18:47
找到一个20年3月的新闻，一个nurse自己带N95被FIRE了 But in March her contract with Lake Granbury Medical Center ended prematurely. Randolph said she was essentially fired over her medical mask. She claimed the hospital's officials told her the mask scared their patients. “We were told we were mandated to not wear masks 24-7 due to 'quote' being scared," Randolph explained, "and also that we were scaring the public by wearing a mask at work." She protested. vitd120 发表于 2022-08-18 18:47
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/briefing/monkeypox-cdc-walensky-covid.html One memorable example was officials’ initial, monthslong refusal to recommend that the public wear masks — not because they thought masks were ineffective, but because they worried that public demand would cause a shortage of masks for health care workers. ps: 没有帮cdc澄清的意思啊 就是震惊于他们会承认这件事 而且如果你看全文全是在指出cdc的种种错误 cdc最新的guideline说为什么不强制口罩during surge 是因为比较了口罩佩戴率高和口罩佩戴率低的社区 觉得感染率没有明显不同 也是很难以置信呢
老美很多蛮听cdc的。当时有印象delta来的时候，都很多case了街上带的人还是很少，因为有guidance说打过疫苗的不用戴口罩，所以戴口罩似乎=unvax 后来七月cdc撑不住了说不管打没打都带, 街上的老美一下子都大多带口罩了，很听话的 这是当时的新闻： The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its masking guidance Tuesday, recommending that everyone, whether they are vaccinated or not, wear a mask indoors in places where the coronavirus is spreading widely. The CDC's new recommendation comes less than three months after the agency said masks and social distancing are no longer necessary for people who have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19. The change in guidance was driven by the delta variant's higher transmissibility and new evidence from the CDC that in rare cases, fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people. "This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday in a news briefing.
“围巾姐姐”最近出来推她的新书。。。 "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection," Birx said. "And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will. But let's be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
“围巾姐姐”最近出来推她的新书。。。 "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection," Birx said. "And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it''s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will. But let''s be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated." huaren_ID 发表于 2022-08-19 10:31
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/briefing/monkeypox-cdc-walensky-covid.html One memorable example was officials’ initial, monthslong refusal to recommend that the public wear masks — not because they thought masks were ineffective, but because they worried that public demand would cause a shortage of masks for health care workers. ps: 没有帮cdc澄清的意思啊 就是震惊于他们会承认这件事 而且如果你看全文全是在指出cdc的种种错误 cdc最新的guideline说为什么不强制口罩during surge 是因为比较了口罩佩戴率高和口罩佩戴率低的社区 觉得感染率没有明显不同 也是很难以置信呢
“围巾姐姐”最近出来推她的新书。。。 "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection," Birx said. "And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will. But let's be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated." huaren_ID 发表于 2022-08-19 10:31
有用没用看你说什么 protect against infection - 没用 protect against severe disease and hospitalization - 有用 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated. - 这个并不能简单归结为有用或者没有用，死的人里面一半是打过疫苗的，但是如果接种疫苗的人数远远超过没有接种的，也许可以说是有用（排除其他因素的假设下）
有用没用看你说什么 protect against infection - 没用 protect against severe disease and hospitalization - 有用 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated. - 这个并不能简单归结为有用或者没有用，死的人里面一半是打过疫苗的，但是如果接种疫苗的人数远远超过没有接种的，也许可以说是有用（排除其他因素的假设下）
One memorable example was officials’ initial, monthslong refusal to recommend that the public wear masks — not because they thought masks were ineffective, but because they worried that public demand would cause a shortage of masks for health care workers.
ps: 没有帮cdc澄清的意思啊 就是震惊于他们会承认这件事 而且如果你看全文全是在指出cdc的种种错误
我能劝劝你做人稍微有点nuance可以么？ 整天这么咋咋唬唬的 血压不高啊？
哈哈，你多虑了。
至于会死多少人，他们根本不会 care.
当然不是
早期一直宣称普通人不会正确戴口罩 戴了更容易感染 洗手就行 你们都没记性的吗？
不是的。 他们先说，戴口罩因为带不好，没用。 又说，医护不够，普通人别带，所以大家开始自制口罩。 后来慢慢不宣传了。 再后来慢慢有报道出来，说布口罩不如medical 不如n95. 就是个天天改口的笑话。
But in March her contract with Lake Granbury Medical Center ended prematurely. Randolph said she was essentially fired over her medical mask. She claimed the hospital's officials told her the mask scared their patients.
“We were told we were mandated to not wear masks 24-7 due to 'quote' being scared," Randolph explained, "and also that we were scaring the public by wearing a mask at work." She protested.
不知这个护士现在可不可以去告这个医院
这不就是我说的吗 我说的就是早期啊 最早就是口罩有害论
我们公司HR还在公司里跟大家说戴口罩容易感染，要洗手
当是还发了怎么follow CDC guidelines 这些都有email记录的还能说不承认就不承认了？
哈哈，我跟你想的一模一样。
二极管电压高都不怕还怕什么血压高
握手🤝 真的庆幸啊，当时真是又急又怕，就怕被老美发现已经没口罩可买了。
我勒个去。。。 真是毁三观。。。
确实 😮💨 其实是美国人更相信政府 中国人是习惯性地不相信政府
看来被fire的不是一个两个啊，这些医务人员和因为拒打疫苗被fire的医务都应该回诉医院
不要忘了“flat the curve” 等等都是和不带口罩一起出来的
真的是这样，我自己当时也是急着到处买口罩寄回国内的那拨人，哈哈哈。。。
我自己反正是守口如瓶，绝不跟自己生活范围内和工作范围的非中国人提这事
估计根本sue不赢，都白白fire了
风向转得超快，到20年4. 5月那会，忽然又口罩非常有用了，然而又不够，nurse搞到一个n95用一周；老美也开口罩工厂吭呲吭呲生产口罩。还有一些妇女帮忙缝各种各样的布口罩
转眼疫苗出来，口罩又不用带了。。。老美的口罩工厂很多入不敷出，政府也太不补贴，很多都倒闭了
不过你看看欧洲，也没有CDC对吧，有隔离的比较严的，有较早就躺平的，反正最后看结果都差不多，死的人也不少。
这件事太荒唐了，但是主要负责的是川普。他刚上台，就把美国公共卫生系统的结构空心化，做了几件绝对损害美国整个公卫系统的安排，结果关键人员与资金都流失。不为别的事，就这一件，他就应当下台。
所谓的杀死百万不用刀。
即使到现在也没有真正的科学研究证明普通人戴口罩有什么用。如果戴不好，那确实是更坏事。
养老鼠的犯个罪大不了死只老鼠。CDC犯错后果可是人命关天
这地洗的太勉强。人类研究传染病已经上千年了，西班牙流感100年了，这样CDC都没有足够数据，还是解散了吧。
已经搞砸了。美国现在登顶猴痘确诊率全球第一了。
你自己记性不好就算了
我记得清清楚楚，当时的宣传是：普通人不会戴口罩，密闭性不好效果就不好，然后会不断伸手去调整，结果手上粘满了病毒，又不洗手，会更容易得病
这些话后来都删除了，丢脸呀！
对的，我记得你说的所有事情
那是二三月的事，武汉都封了一两个月了，亚洲好多国家都戴口罩了，中国已经发现有大量无症状感染者了。CDC消息还没有华人大妈灵通。
“为你好所以不让你知道”的目的可以公开扯谎 -- that''s exactly what happened. CDC/Fauci/experts 自己有小九九然后对全国撒了弥天大谎，信用彻底破产也不稀奇。 所以CDC/Fauci/experts建议小孩子打疫苗的时候，我就一句话：go to hell!
COVID-19 大流行是历史上被操纵最多的传染病事件之一，其特点是官方谎言在政府官僚机构、医学协会、医学委员会、媒体和国际机构的领导下源源不断。[3,6,57]我们目睹了一长串前所未有的对医疗实践的入侵，包括对医学专家的袭击、拒绝参与杀害患者的医生的医疗事业遭到破坏以及由拥有巨额财富的不合格个人领导的大规模医疗保健管理，权力和影响力。
在美国历史上，总统、州长、市长、医院管理人员和联邦官僚第一次不是根据基于科学甚至基于经验的准确信息来确定医疗方案，而是强制接受特殊形式的护理和“预防” ——包括瑞德西韦、呼吸器的使用以及最终一系列基本上未经测试的信使 RNA 疫苗。历史上第一次医疗方案不是基于成功治疗最多患者的医生的经验制定的，而是基于从未治疗过单个患者的个人和官僚机构——包括安东尼·福奇、比尔·盖茨、EcoHealth联盟、疾病预防控制中心、世卫组织、州公共卫生官员和医院管理人员。 [23,38】
这个是因为美国同性恋人数多吧？
后来七月cdc撑不住了说不管打没打都带, 街上的老美一下子都大多带口罩了，很听话的
这是当时的新闻：
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its masking guidance Tuesday, recommending that everyone, whether they are vaccinated or not, wear a mask indoors in places where the coronavirus is spreading widely.
The CDC's new recommendation comes less than three months after the agency said masks and social distancing are no longer necessary for people who have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19. The change in guidance was driven by the delta variant's higher transmissibility and new evidence from the CDC that in rare cases, fully vaccinated individuals who get infected with the variant can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people. "This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday in a news briefing.
举脚同意！老油条的脸皮真厚啊。。。
“围巾姐姐”最近出来推她的新书。。。
"I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection," Birx said. "And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will. But let's be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
我当时想买口罩，一个也买不到，你们下手也忒狠了。
疫苗这事也是不合逻辑 首先声明：我是第一时间就打了两针 当时觉得能保护自己 也能保护他人 尤其是我儿子还小 不能打 那我们全家为了保护他赶紧都打了 后来说不能防传染 -- 好吧 至少能保护自己 认了 后来说不能防变种 -- 好吧 谁也没有水晶球 也算了 结果要你再打加强针！当时我就想骂人 -- 都说不防变种了，加强你个头呀！ 然后还要推给小孩 -- 实在混帐！一个证明了在新变种面前没有用处的东西，推给小孩？？？ 整个逻辑完全颠覆了 basic risk/benefit analysis，说CDC蠢都是抬举了它，必须是又蠢又坏有利益交换
没错，当初当初cdc的政策上所有人都不戴口罩，直到后来压不住了才建议医护人员戴口罩
一月的时候我往中国寄口罩，三月的时候就是我在美国收口罩了 我最初的口罩大部分是中国的同学给我寄过来的 同学们太善良了，好多人给我寄 我自己用不了那么多，给楼里的邻居都送了一些
有道理 川普跟这些人根本斗不过的 他真没必要为这个国家再出头了 好好养老保证自己安全为上
后来也收到一些口罩，质量太差，橡皮筋一拉就断，没有好意思送人。
屁啦，川普当时根本就没当回事，他自己也从来不戴口罩，说不过就是一个感冒而已。为川普辩护也不能睁着眼睛说瞎话吧。
我收到的质量都很好，特别是小孩子的医用口罩，是我同学在医院买的，质量太好了。我儿子花粉过敏，用普通口罩没有什么用处，用了国内寄来的儿童医用口罩就好多了。
不过也要为他们稍微辩护一下，当时口罩无用论是WHO制定的，应该是全世界医学界的共识吧。
是我英语不好还怎么，我读不懂这到底是想说啥？知道没用，又说有用，然后最后那个But又转折一下？
有用没用看你说什么 protect against infection - 没用 protect against severe disease and hospitalization - 有用
50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older, vaccinated. - 这个并不能简单归结为有用或者没有用，死的人里面一半是打过疫苗的，但是如果接种疫苗的人数远远超过没有接种的，也许可以说是有用（排除其他因素的假设下）
没有足够数据还要自称科学，还要强迫疫苗，把所有质疑的人fact check，然后贴上标签大批特批。把不愿打疫苗的开除工作。
这不是犯错，这是犯罪！
具体举几个例子？巨巨做了什么就空心化了？
说的好像大家2020年都不在美国似的。
对！我也是这个想法，如果怕大众用口罩了医生没得用，其实可以直接说清楚，不能扭曲事实非说口罩没用甚至带的不对还有害处，那真是坏透了了，和骗小孩有什么区别
没有疫苗出来的时候，怎么可能不需要口罩哇
But后面说的肯定才是自己的观点，前面都是扯皮谁也不得罪。
只是but后面这个既不是观点也不是事实，只是一个数据统计还没有出处。
只能说这样的人作为专家指导大家抗疫真的是悲剧。
人家大英帝国，首相一干不好马上辞职了， 美帝 死多少人都跟总统没关系， 这制度也太奇葩了。
我刚来美国的时候还挺崇拜华盛顿的， 现在发现美国制度的 bug 也很大， 禁枪问题也是其中一个， 愚民一多， 制度就走进了死胡同。
实在不明白 口罩也能整出这么多幺蛾子阿。 实在无语。 红脖子的智商确实有待于提高。 戴口罩 不等于 water boarding, 对不？
你要是整天戴美国的那种N95口罩，你也许就不会这么说了。
可她说防重症有用之前还加一句overplay了疫苗。这人说话乱七八糟，没逻辑，自己也搞不清楚到底要说啥。逻辑不能自洽，看得累。
嗯嗯..悲哀
问题我自己也是受害者啊，哈哈哈。等我自己需要口罩的时候，我也买不到了。。。后来费了九牛二虎之力搜，最后是在亚米网花高价买了20个。。。
她的意思是说，她知道疫苗不能防感染，但她同时认为疫苗可以防重症和减低住院率。
隔壁还有洗地党在开贴说cdc做的对。华人上有在cdc 工作的吗？
事实证明根本没有戴不好口罩一说，只有想不想好好戴。