她说看了那个纪录片“含泪活着”,讲上海爸爸在日本打工给国内妻女的,夫妻分居很多年,后来女儿出息了来美国上学现在当了妇产科医生,爸爸来了美国还是继续在餐馆打工,她说她很感动,也想继续努力为孩子们赚钱。 我同意你说的,当妈的不能 stretch too thin,当蜡烛燃烬自己,不仅没必要,也不健康,mentally and physically
美国金钱社会,孤注一掷只能自杀了。 Nurse’s suicide follows tragedy Originally published April 20, 2011 at 10:38 pm Updated April 21, 2011 at 12:57 pm The suicide of Kimberly Hiatt, a nurse who accidentally gave an infant a fatal overdose last year at Seattle Children''s hospital, has closed an investigation but opened wounds for her friends and family members. By Carol M. Ostrom The suicide of a nurse who accidentally gave an infant a fatal overdose last year at Seattle Children’s hospital has closed an investigation but opened wounds for her friends and family members, as they struggle to comprehend a second tragedy. Kimberly Hiatt, 50, a longtime critical-care nurse at Children’s, took her own life April 3. As a result, the state’s Nursing Commission last week closed its investigation of her actions in the Sept. 19 death of Kaia Zautner, a critically ill infant who died in part from complications from an overdose of calcium chloride. After the infant’s death, the hospital put Hiatt on administrative leave and soon dismissed her. In the months following, she battled to keep her nursing license in the hopes of continuing the work she loved, despite having made the deadly mistake, friends and family members said. To satisfy state disciplinary authorities, she agreed to pay a fine and to undergo a four-year probationary period during which she would be supervised at any future nursing job when she gave medication, along with other conditions, said Sharon Crum of Issaquah, Hiatt’s mother. “She absolutely adored her job” at Children’s, where she had worked for about 27 years, said Crum. “It broke her heart when she was dismissed … She cried for two solid weeks. Not just that she lost her job, but that she lost a child.” Just before her death, Hiatt had taken an advanced cardiac life-support certification exam to qualify for a job as a helicopter transport nurse and aced it, friends said. But a round of job applications and inquiries produced nothing, and friends said she was beginning to despair that she would ever find another job in nursing. “She was basically a healer,” said Donna Lawson, another friend. “She told me she lost everything.” Children’s, in a statement, said: “Our deepest condolences go out to Kim’s family. We respect the privacy of our current and former staff and will not discuss personal matters.” Children’s and Hiatt ultimately entered into a settlement, with the help of the Washington State Nurses Association, which represents the nurses at Children’s. Officials at those organizations declined to provide details. Crum and Hiatt’s other family members said they were unable to reveal details as well because of nondisclosure conditions in the agreement. Some of Hiatt’s friends said they felt it was unfair for her to be fired so abruptly for what they characterized as a mathematical error. “They canned her without fallback,” said Gordy Pearcy, a friend who helped Hiatt get construction jobs when she was unable to find nursing work. Pearcy, who runs a remodeling company, said he felt there was a double standard operating in health care. “This kind of thing happens with doctors, and they don’t fire them, because it becomes a liability issue … Doctors have their own insurance.” Crum, a retired nurse, noted that when she was working, hospitals always urged nurses to report errors, saying “write them up; we will back you.” Crum said she sympathized with the hospital, too. “They had a baby that died. It was the result of a human error. They have to do something. But to me, there were other alternatives than firing someone who had been a good, faithful nurse, and did not have a record as a sloppy nurse.” An investigation by state facilities licensing officials into this and two unrelated cases at Children’s concluded in November that the hospital had “effective, adequate systems to prevent patient harm.” Hiatt’s brother, Mike Hiatt, of Redmond, said his sister was very close to the seriously ill children she cared for, as well as their families. Many were among the hundreds who attended her memorial service earlier this month, along with many nursing colleagues, he said. “There were many, many people there who appreciated her service in nursing” and lauded her as a “relentless advocate for her patients and the families she cared for.” Carol M. Ostrom: 206-464-2249 or [email protected]Carol M. Ostrom
国内二线城市,mid 40s,老大马上高三,老二小学毕业 (可能是6年级),跟自己婆婆在一个城市,几乎在一起生活,她将来会为孩子奶奶养老送终。二线两套房,一套自住另一套最近卖了,换了60万美元。职业是医生,在社区医院上班20多年,不在编。因为工作原因接触到各行各业的人,和上级政策,尤其是最近两三年,对大环境越来越失望,想破釜沉舟彻底换个国家换个活法。
目前老大在一个国际高中上高三,准备申请美国大学。托福最高108,准备再试一次争取110,GPA 86/100,有一个物理碗铜奖,曾写过一篇社会学女性主义的论文,国内数学竞赛有一些小的奖项。中介推荐他投的是波士顿学院、威斯康星麦迪逊分校、凯斯西储大学、罗切斯特大学、佛罗里达大学几所学校。因为去年国内录取的数据比较差,今年想多投一些保底。
她说自己经济情况一般,可以负担一个孩子私立大学四年,但是也尽量节省一点,毕竟老二6年后也要上大学,另外还要考虑将来照顾奶奶的花费,奶奶有退休工资和自己的小房子,目前身体状况良好。
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要做家务和陪睡的,怎么叫雷锋?雷锋不求回报的
据我所知,诊所的np和医院资深护士在收入上没有太大差别。
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她的问题是
1.有没有其他推荐的学校?符合孩子能力条件的,不要 party school,不一定要私立,公立也愿意考虑。她把国内工作辞了跟过来以后失去一份固定收入来源,家里没有如何其他人能提供 meaningful 经济支持,她这种情况是不是选择地区很重要?有点担心生活成本比如租房贵的可能负担不起,所以孩子选择大学的时候要不要考虑避开波士顿这样生活费贵的地区?
老大出来读书是不错的选择!
但她辞职过来有没有想到身份问题?
还是说拿B1/2签证每次呆180天就回去一段时间?
华人在美国十多年甚至二十多年还没解决身份的大有人在!
还有老二怎么办?
2.他想大一后从社会学文科转数学理科,不知道是不是一定能转成,比如转一个学校申请失败能不能再申请其他学校或者同时申请几个学校转专业?
这是她问题的原话,我没有修改,想保留她问题的本意。我跟她说了美国大学第一年不要求定专业,大二才开始定。如果这次能录取一个理工科不错的美本,就彻底不用考虑转学的事了。如果网友能 confirm 我的说法,那就更有说服力了
3.因为这几年疫情后工作压力越来越重,收入越来越低,她有打算考托福后申请美国的社区大学的两年制的护理助理专业,计划先拿 associate degree。最好是靠着儿子所在的地区或者附近城市,然后把女儿也带过来上公立初中。
她本科医学院有个同学现在在美国,跟她说护士这个行业比较紧缺,医院也愿意 sponsor non-resident alien (? 需要 confirm),所以她动了这个心思。过来后不准备再做医生,时间周期长,学业太重,护士这个职业比较现实。again, 我同学非常踏实能吃苦,起始工资第一点也不在乎,只想找个稳定的能留下来的专业方向。
不知道护士这个职业是不是容易留下了?医院是不是需要大量的护士并且愿意 sponsor?她说在老人院里做护工也行。这个问题对她本人来说是最关键的,如果读了不能留下了,意义就不大了。
你同学看看能不能直接申请护士?我听广播很多非洲(英语国家)护士就这么过来的
跟3 相关的问题,社区大学的签证让她在美国境内合法呆着是不是只有两年?如果是这样,那两年后女儿读完初中后她能不能继续在美国呆下去读书?回国上学的话我有点担心可能衔接不上国内高中的高强度。如果到时候给女儿申请美国私立高中让她继续留在美国,一年四五十万人民币,再加上后面她上大学还要这么多,我担心卖房的钱不够负担两人上私立的费用,支撑不了这样的安排。
这也是她的问题原文,我也没有改动。但是我跟她说现在暂时不用考虑6年后女儿大学的费用,万一实在是留不下来,可以回国。如果护士毕业能顺利找到工作,有单位 sponsor,到时候女儿就可以作为 resident 申请大学。
有点担心这个家庭风险是不是过高了?社区的护理专业能不能读出来和找到工作还是一个不确定的事情。国内的房子想留着以后回去住,所以不打算出租和卖掉让婆婆住,婆婆想把自己的一套单室套卖掉钱给孩子,婆婆也很有顾虑,因为她没有亲人只有孙子孙女,我们出来她一个人担心以后没有人照顾她,如果有机会她也愿意来美国,那样就把国内房子卖掉。现在国内房价跌的非常厉害,基本上都是有价无市,卖出的跟以前比只有五折的价格,过几年房子能卖多少钱就难以预计了。就是觉得这几年怎么安排比较妥当最合适,希望大家能给一个建议,谢谢。
老人目前身体还行,劝媳妇过来陪孙子上大学,妹妹由自己照看先一年看看。老人想把自己小公寓卖了补贴给孙子孙女来上学的。
我同学的意思是来了后先苦干5年,等稳定了把婆婆接来,婆婆愿意跟着儿媳和孙子孙女一起过
最近国内真的是越来越多人想run了,但是好多人没想明白run出国后干什么?怎么拿到合法身份留下。。。
他们想的特别容易,就是自己愿意吃苦就行了,可是干什么呢?他们来美国后做什么工作?什么身份留下???
不是上了美本就能找到工作,孩子没有工作就没有身份。
妈妈45岁左右,也不年轻,如果留下是奋斗留下还是再婚留下?再婚留下婆婆养老她无法管的。奋斗留下,那她一个人就很辛苦还拖着老的小的。
不是国内过不下去不值得这么折腾。给孩子出个公立大学的学费,管4年,看毕业怎么样呗。妈妈继续国内赚钱养老二攒学费。等老大工作稳定办身份了再说呗。
公立学校不能收国际学生
这也是我想到的,也许最后妈妈因为护士工作拿到绿卡了,妹妹还有6年才成年,也可以跟着一起拿,但是儿子就完全是另一回事了,说不定他最后得回国
前面看错了,我以为是上公立高中
你这同学是崇洋媚外的傻逼 出国会死得很惨。
那点收入够干啥? 美国年龄歧视更大 厉害国的傻逼真以为美国人很弱吗?! 它们随便来就孩子读私立?!
可以吧?我看 Arizona state, Ohio state, Univ. of Washington 都在收国际学生最多的大学那个list 里,不过是中文网站文章。
我女儿有同学来自中国,希腊,这样的孩子还不少
对,本科南医的,毕业后一直做医生
小孩不一定非学 cs,他自己也喜欢应用数学的,如果想转到这个方向,公立大学,有难度吗?
但这种一般都劝不住
西雅图儿童医院女护士五十出头已经工作二十多年了 被医院逼得自杀。
你以为医院干啥的? 会收你个50多的语言不通当护士?!
不可能啊。语言不通是病人最好的起诉医院借口。
首先是解决身份问题,有了绿卡,老大州内学费,老二免费读公立中学。你同学有绿卡也好找工作。解决律卡最快的办法是结婚。当然,你同学这个年纪再婚,要看能offer对方什么资源.
我同学有自身原因,我不便多说,在国内很另类很委屈,她不希望躺平,一辈子忙忙碌碌的个性,很想为自己再好好活30,40年。她想出国也不完全只为了孩子。
好的,我去找,谢谢!
去LA。相对生活花费,各种档次都有;语言不通,她愿意的话,现金工有的是。鱼目混杂,容易生存。学校,孩子大了,不一定要留在身边读书。
感觉没必要, 美国学费太高太高了。
到欧洲读个免费大学,
最后一学期转学美国读。
洪晃的后妈朱一锦,40来美国也再婚了老美医生。万事皆有可能
有人问我为什么不建议出来 破釜沉舟想要出国是可以理解的,但是她现在的时间很不合适,老二的年纪不上不下,不适宜这个阶段过颠沛流离的生活 要么她早些年孩子还小自己还能拼的时候出国好好奋斗,要么过一些年孩子都成年独立了她办好了退休出国重新开始 这个阶段,她在国内起码工作稳定吃穿不愁社会地位不错,孩子的成长环境是比较好的 她如果硬要出国重新开始,事实上是落到社会最底层,自己和孩子的心态都容易崩。不论是重新读书走h1b到eb2这一步步的,还是走捷径靠嫁人或者政庇,一切都具有非常大的不确定性。而她的经济条件还很差,大概率就是勉强顾好了老大读完美本,轮到老二一无所有,然后身份还是没搞定,一切都是一场空。 而她作为一个二十年前南医毕业的医生,居然是连编制都没混上一个的社区医生,可以说学习能力工作能力是严重below average。 一个能力很差,心比天高命比纸薄的人,说自己能吃苦是不能信的。她只是对现状不满,但是毫无改变现状的能力。聪明的人起码把握好现在稳定安逸的生活专心把孩子培养出来,等孩子成年以后自己办好退休(国内女性50岁就能退休)再谋求后路,哪怕出国后黑下来打工,做个月嫂啥的都是很好的选择,万一不成回国起码有退休金吃穿不愁。
支持她! 看了第一帖,我首先想到的就是护士
护士不够申请h1b资格。RN只需要associate degree就可以,H1b要求最低本科。
做nurse assistant只需要三个月的training,私人program花5000$左右搞定。
但是工作需要身份。
所以最大阻力是身份问题
大家熟悉的给推荐几个 除了这条路似乎没有其他办法了
自己混是找死
到荷兰,北欧,德语国家读个 免费大学, 选计算机专业,
最后一个学期转学 美国 麻省理工大学!!
欧洲大学 在美国 认可度很高的。
毕竟美国哈欧洲哈的不行。
确实,不管国内国外,孩子上大学后家长能做的能管的就少之又少,不管是隔壁城市还是跨州,区别不是太大。不过国内很多家长一直是跟着孩子屁股后头,高中阶段跟老师保持联系,一直这么管过来的。在完全陌生的国家,要是还离着三个时区,我能理解她心里不踏实。
对对对。大夫出来有不少可以干的。 还有什么pathology assistant.
其实孩子去加拿大读书拿卡 容易多了 大人也可以申请加拿大读书就业。美国拿绿卡时间太长
看的我都想送我女儿去欧洲读书了
她说看了那个纪录片“含泪活着”,讲上海爸爸在日本打工给国内妻女的,夫妻分居很多年,后来女儿出息了来美国上学现在当了妇产科医生,爸爸来了美国还是继续在餐馆打工,她说她很感动,也想继续努力为孩子们赚钱。
我同意你说的,当妈的不能 stretch too thin,当蜡烛燃烬自己,不仅没必要,也不健康,mentally and physically
这个靠谱。
这个听着不错,我截屏给她,非常感谢
访学,得挂靠国内单位吗?我这方面一点不懂,她在社区医院,不在编制内
读研怕语言过不了。20多年没有好好摸英语了,她有点犯怵
曲线救国啊。同志
德国这里虽然大学免费, 但是医学难读。
德国人也很会曲线救国,
德国人先去 东欧读个医学专业, 最后一学期转学德国就可以了,
反正德国大学认可 其他国家的课程。
曲线救国最好!!
美国护士执照管理很严格的。没执照,找不到护士工作的。就算是入门级的assistant也是有上课纪录加certificate才行的
很容易,我家亲戚小孩,原本打算国内读大学的,高考成绩不好,临时决定申请美国大学。。。中介很厉害,申请100名左右的大学,公立私立都有,全拿到offer了。 只能说好多学校真是缺钱,喜欢国际生
她如果有在大三甲医院工作的博士学历的同学,建议她直接请教他们 不过如果她只是社区医院医生的话,这条路估计行不通,她的英语水平估计连技术员也无法胜任 我还是建议,不要出来
是否值得这件事仁者见仁智者见智,如果她决心想run,强烈建议把大儿子送加拿大。学费便宜工作签证枫叶卡都比美国好拿,华人社区成熟发达。如果她自己搞不定身份,到时候大儿子搞定身份也可以担保父母,福利比美国好,全民医保,婆婆养老也不存在语言问题。加拿大收入不如美国,但到时候tn曲线救国,一样来美帝拿大包裹哈哈。
她学医的同学,在美多不多?如果"医院也愿意 sponsor non-resident alien (? 需要 confirm)",她应该在住美同学中撒网,请同学们在各个医院帮她打听留意。
她才40,人生刚过一小半,趁身体还扛得住,为了亲人们,再苦干10年,之后路会越走越宽。
2014年时我跟她聊天她就透露出出国这个想法,这么多年过去了决心还是没有变,这两三年还变得更强了。她说她女儿和儿子的想法跟学校主流宣传的格格不入,和同学们也料不到一起去。她自己参加中学同学聚餐,也是不怎么开口,一说点不同意见,饭桌上就被同学集体教导,非常不理解她为什么要投敌弃友,她说她在国内非常孤独。
工作上,她自己和同事们因为开药开不到一定数量,工资被扣地七七八八,来看病的警察局税务局领导们经常发耸人听闻的牢骚,我感觉她看得还是比较全面的,一家人在那个环境生活很不开心,没法静下来来享受人生啊
我也提了这个方向,回头跟她再说一下,同在北美,以后说不定有机会到美国这边来
我查了下,学费方面大概是 1:2 到 1:2.5 的区别,本国人$8000多读下来一个 associate degree, 外国人 2万出头
先说两句,你朋友很值得让人钦佩!她这种情况,国内国外都很不容易,前二十年积累很不容易,一定要谨慎!
这个可行。为啥不建议出来
社区医院医生根本没可能的。
这是最后的打算,她不排斥,没有完全拒绝,但是先不考虑。她这么说的时候我感觉出她决心还是很大的
我以她的实际情况看,觉得比较不现实
这种一听就是对国外有不切实际的幻想的那种人。
OK, 我把你说的告诉她
Nurse’s suicide follows tragedy Originally published April 20, 2011 at 10:38 pm Updated April 21, 2011 at 12:57 pm
The suicide of Kimberly Hiatt, a nurse who accidentally gave an infant a fatal overdose last year at Seattle Children''s hospital, has closed an investigation but opened wounds for her friends and family members. By Carol M. Ostrom The suicide of a nurse who accidentally gave an infant a fatal overdose last year at Seattle Children’s hospital has closed an investigation but opened wounds for her friends and family members, as they struggle to comprehend a second tragedy. Kimberly Hiatt, 50, a longtime critical-care nurse at Children’s, took her own life April 3. As a result, the state’s Nursing Commission last week closed its investigation of her actions in the Sept. 19 death of Kaia Zautner, a critically ill infant who died in part from complications from an overdose of calcium chloride. After the infant’s death, the hospital put Hiatt on administrative leave and soon dismissed her. In the months following, she battled to keep her nursing license in the hopes of continuing the work she loved, despite having made the deadly mistake, friends and family members said. To satisfy state disciplinary authorities, she agreed to pay a fine and to undergo a four-year probationary period during which she would be supervised at any future nursing job when she gave medication, along with other conditions, said Sharon Crum of Issaquah, Hiatt’s mother. “She absolutely adored her job” at Children’s, where she had worked for about 27 years, said Crum. “It broke her heart when she was dismissed … She cried for two solid weeks. Not just that she lost her job, but that she lost a child.” Just before her death, Hiatt had taken an advanced cardiac life-support certification exam to qualify for a job as a helicopter transport nurse and aced it, friends said. But a round of job applications and inquiries produced nothing, and friends said she was beginning to despair that she would ever find another job in nursing. “She was basically a healer,” said Donna Lawson, another friend. “She told me she lost everything.” Children’s, in a statement, said: “Our deepest condolences go out to Kim’s family. We respect the privacy of our current and former staff and will not discuss personal matters.” Children’s and Hiatt ultimately entered into a settlement, with the help of the Washington State Nurses Association, which represents the nurses at Children’s. Officials at those organizations declined to provide details. Crum and Hiatt’s other family members said they were unable to reveal details as well because of nondisclosure conditions in the agreement. Some of Hiatt’s friends said they felt it was unfair for her to be fired so abruptly for what they characterized as a mathematical error. “They canned her without fallback,” said Gordy Pearcy, a friend who helped Hiatt get construction jobs when she was unable to find nursing work. Pearcy, who runs a remodeling company, said he felt there was a double standard operating in health care. “This kind of thing happens with doctors, and they don’t fire them, because it becomes a liability issue … Doctors have their own insurance.” Crum, a retired nurse, noted that when she was working, hospitals always urged nurses to report errors, saying “write them up; we will back you.” Crum said she sympathized with the hospital, too. “They had a baby that died. It was the result of a human error. They have to do something. But to me, there were other alternatives than firing someone who had been a good, faithful nurse, and did not have a record as a sloppy nurse.” An investigation by state facilities licensing officials into this and two unrelated cases at Children’s concluded in November that the hospital had “effective, adequate systems to prevent patient harm.” Hiatt’s brother, Mike Hiatt, of Redmond, said his sister was very close to the seriously ill children she cared for, as well as their families. Many were among the hundreds who attended her memorial service earlier this month, along with many nursing colleagues, he said. “There were many, many people there who appreciated her service in nursing” and lauded her as a “relentless advocate for her patients and the families she cared for.” Carol M. Ostrom: 206-464-2249 or [email protected] Carol M. Ostrom
我姐老师同事练习法轮功,学校不敢让她上课,但是工资一分不少给她。 社会主义养出来的就是楼主朋友这种傻逼。来美国弄不好送命的。。 她还有多少精力折腾??
那么这么多年她的英语进步了多少呢?
妈妈作为F2?
老大将来拿了加拿大绿卡来美国工作,申请美国绿卡,走的是美国国内 alien 毕业生一样的路径吗?还是会容易点?
后者我知道很难,时间很长
我们那个年代本科后出国不像现在那么多。她有个本科同学在澳洲,一个在田纳西,这两个我是知道的,在田纳西的同学过来后没工作,在家带孩子,医学荒废了,不知道有没有其他在美同学了
美国绿卡按出生地排队,所以她的儿子到时候和中国大陆的留学生会在一个队里,时间是很长。
---- 老强调什么吃苦,吃苦没门槛,所以也没价值,何况一个医生拼吃苦也没优势。这种思维就是误区。移民谋生存拼的是智力资本
有道理,谢谢
我觉得说能吃苦没有错 有了知识基础和智力加上吃苦 是很有机会的。不过,她可以先来旅游看看,和一些在这里的华人多聊聊天,不要和年轻出来留学的聊,道路完全不会一样。