网站名 https://tinycode.club 总结: 通过仔细计划和执行, 6th or 7th grader 能在高中毕前把大学CS四年核心软件项目:Algorithms, Data Structures, Database, Compiler, Networking Projects 做完. 而且他们会对CS and programming 有信心. 现在的学校教的越来越少, 学生有很多的时间. 在不加重他们负担的情况下是可以做到的. 这个项目的目的不是任何竞赛, 是帮住他们获得skills About Myself: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ning-wang-514412242/
Sorry for switching to English because my pinyin is really poor and it is much faster for me to type. I am in California, the equality movement has pushed many contents off the K-12 curriculum, SAT is cancelled, and UCs start to take race as a factor in college admissions. My kids go to public schools which are affected the most. Having said that, IMHO, going to private schools would not make much difference as this is a top down movement, our kids cannot avoid from being affected by the college admissions and by jobs screening.
My older son will be in 7th grade this fall. Every kid get chrome book now and they start to play video games or watch youtube when teachers have to help disadvantaged kids.
I do not want my son to waste time on video game or youtube in classroom. Our kids do not have video game play time at home. Ironically, they can get play time at school. I started to build this website for my son to practice programming skills at the end of last year. It is ready for more people to use. He can build projects whenever he has free time in his classroom while other kids are playing video games. He will start to build and practice one project every weekday this coming fall.
My intention is to create many micro-bite size mini projects to cover all the important CS subjects of a 4 year CS program so he can essentially make the same amount of programming practices with the same depth before his graduation from high school. Here is my plan for him: https://playc.us/static/parent.html. He may still goes to college, but he will not have to compete for the CS majors. If any parents are also concerned about your kids future, I would love to work with you to help them to build marketable skills. I believe skills will matter more in the future. These coding projects are suitable for adults too. I believe with sufficient practice, anyone can master the programming skills. To be great at programming, you do not need any advanced math knowledge. Just clear thinking and logic are sufficient to help you succeed. I will answer any questions. Thanks a lot for reading.
What you said is correct. It is about the content. Python books normally have richer content for beginners, but C has much richer content for the foundation. We help C make up by building more beginner contents. We have a project to build Tetris too, and many classic 2D games have C implementation.
I believe kids are very smart, and we should treat them as such. I have met kids online and thought they are college CS students, but they are just 13, 14 year olds. My targeted users: all secondary school students in the world, and anyone who want to do programming. Let me know if you are interested in working together to build a bigger business. We use C/bash exclusively for the backend. It is so simple to implement a regional garbage collector so I rarely have to call malloc/free. Picking up Javascript for the front-end will be trivial for you. You can add my linkedin. cstack 发表于 2022-08-04 15:31
我在网络公司写网卡驱动程序，都是底层的系统编程。 我不知道你的用户定位是哪一类学生。我儿子今年上大学读计算机专业，他的中学计算机教育我基本全程参与了。我在东北部所以可以给你一个参考。这里基本小学玩图形界面编程（scratch / lego robot)，初中开始学一些python和高级一些的机器人编程，高中生大多数学2门 ap (computer principal / AP Java)，有部分学生继续机器人编程，还有些学生参加竞赛(USACO)。 Vickiemouse 发表于 2022-08-04 14:10
I believe kids are very smart, and we should treat them as such. I have met kids online and thought they are college CS students, but they are just 13, 14 year olds. My targeted users: all secondary school students in the world, and anyone who want to do programming. Let me know if you are interested in working together to build a bigger business. We use C/bash exclusively for the backend. It is so simple to implement a regional garbage collector so I rarely have to call malloc/free. Picking up Javascript for the front-end will be trivial for you. You can add my linkedin.
Very glad to hear your working language is C. What kind of software do you work on if you do not mind me asking? What you said is completely correct. The overhead is solved by our integrated cloud coding environment and projects that are thoughtfully designed. C is even better than Python to explain loop because we can use goto as an intermediate step to make loop/repetition much more intuitive. Here is our example of introducing loop do_it_again: printf(" *"); goto do_it_again; We then progressively add loop condition, and introduce while loop and for loop as syntactic sugar. Students just get it right way, and do not have to wrap their heads around `for i in range(100)`. The whole IT industry is heavily influenced by C and Unix. Many concepts like async and base64 encoding are so simple to explain if you implement them in C. HTTP server is also very simple to implement in C from scratch. Once you understand these, it is very easy to transit to web app programming. C developers can easily pickup plain Javascript because they are very good at reasoning about states. I believe C is the only language that can provide the best ROI for our users and help us reach the economy of scale.
cstack 发表于 2022-08-04 00:01
我在网络公司写网卡驱动程序，都是底层的系统编程。 我不知道你的用户定位是哪一类学生。我儿子今年上大学读计算机专业，他的中学计算机教育我基本全程参与了。我在东北部所以可以给你一个参考。这里基本小学玩图形界面编程（scratch / lego robot)，初中开始学一些python和高级一些的机器人编程，高中生大多数学2门 ap (computer principal / AP Java)，有部分学生继续机器人编程，还有些学生参加竞赛(USACO)。
It is text instruction based. There is no video. Once students can read for 2-3 minutes by themself, this format will be more efficient than video format. Yes, it is designed for 6th grader and up. I do not know about Python.
You can wait until he/she is ready, our content will be richer, and support will be better.
网站名 https://playc.us About Myself: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ning-wang-514412242/
Sorry for switching to English because my pinyin is really poor and it''''s much faster for me to type. I''''m in California, the equality movement has pushed many contents off the K-12 curriculum, SAT is cancelled, and UCs start to take race as a factor in college admissions. My kids go to public schools which are affect the most. Having said that, IMHO, going to private schools won''''t make much difference as this is a top down movement, our kids cannot avoid from being affected by the college admissions.
My old son will be in 7th grade this fall. Every kid get chrome book now and they start to play video games or watch youtube when teachers have to help disadvantaged kids.
I don''''t want my son to waste time on video game or youtube. Our kids don''''t have play time at home. Ironically, they can get play time at school. I started to build this website for my son to practice programming skills at the end of last year. It is ready for more people to use. He can build projects whenever he has free time in his classroom while other kids are playing video games. He will start to build and practice one project every weekday this coming fall.
My intention is to create many micro-bite size mini projects to cover all the important CS subjects of a 4 year CS program so he can essentially make the same amount of programming practices with the same depth before his graduation from high school. Here is my plan for him: https://playc.us/static/parent.html. He may still goes to college, but he will not have to compete for the CS majors. If any parents are also concerned about your kids'''' future, I would love to work with you to help them to build marketable skills. I believe skills will matter more in the future. These coding projects are suitable for adults too. I believe with sufficient practice, anyone can master the programming skills. I will answer any questions. Thanks a lot for reading. cstack 发表于 2022-08-01 22:20
It''s not for every kid. For my kids, what I can do is to make it as easy as possbible. They are facing a very tougher future ahead, and they do not even know about it. Life will become much tougher for them after high school. I optimize it so kids can spend the least amount of time in front of computer to build projects and to do practices, then they should go out and play with friends after that.
Harvard''s first CS course is using C, the professor explained why C is the best language as the first language. 60% students who take the course does not have any coding background. Our goals is to convert most IT technologies to C projects. For example, we want to help students reinvent OO, Python, or Javascript as C projects, so they understand why and how these paradigms are designed and implemented. They will have the first hand experience for the pro and con of these paradigms.
Our kids do not have play time at home 说实话看到这句非常反感 yimiyangguang 发表于 2022-08-01 22:51
They have a lot of play time with friends, but they don''t get video game play time. My neighbor who from Pakistan, said if Asian kids play video game, they are over. I think this is a very harsh hard truth.
Video game developers in general have the worst work and life balance comparing to developers of other industries. Most of the video game companies are not in the silicon valley because the cost center is not in the R&D. I hope my kids have a better work and life balance.
Video game developers in general have the worst work and life balance comparing to developers of other industries. Most of the video game companies are not in the silicon valley because the cost center is not in the R&D. I hope my kids have a better work and life balance.
A lot of Asian American kids will have to face the discrimination that they have nothing to do with. I watched PBS documentary: Try Harder. Asian kids just play with the game. Now the game is changed and they are systematically discriminated, and do not fight back. It is not a future I want to see for my kids.
你这个比 C programming language 好在哪里？ 一本书才二十 你这连教材都没有 hualihu 发表于 2022-08-02 01:02
It's completely project based learning. The projects will cover all popular techs. For example we will have mini projects to re-implement python, http server, OO, etc. I want to help students to recover all the popular technoglies themself by reinventing the wheels.
For our generation and our kids, we do not have an unlimited resource. We have to be extremely pragmatic about what we do and we do NOT do. IMHO, the only way for our kids to thrive in the US is to do a lot more with less.
You get the access to all projects and practices. For example, we already have sufficient mini projects to cover the whole C language including pointer. C is a surprisingly small language. The goal is to create as many projects as possible to cover all important CS subjects that are practically used in the industry.
My son has been doing it. He will start to build one project every weekday this fall in his classroom whenever his teacher has nothing to teach or at home. We plan to create sufficient projects/practices for kids to build every weekday. Each one is less than 15 minutes. I believe practice matters. many small and easy practices to help them build confidence for programming.
回复 44楼dngdnhxqs的帖子 Thanks for reporting it, which ones are not clickable? UI is not my strength. Are you good at UI? I''m looking for people to help me on UI.
回复 47楼might的帖子 College CS content does not mean its college level difficulty. Anyone who has a CS degree and has worked in the industry knows college intentionally make their courses hard. We have made the college CS content so easy that even 6 graders can do it. I have met a few 13 year old kids online who are as capable as a 4 year CS grad. Kids from middle class families will compete with them in the future job market.
回复 52楼sparky7的帖子 In reality this is what actually happen: Kids are treated as prince or princess in high school. When they go to college for CS, no matter which one. They will be treated much less nicely, they are literally forced to learn with a very unhealthy workload. I knew a UCSD CS student who was traumatized and dropped out. I don't want my kids to be treated like that. I'd rather take it to my hands and help them learn with a very smooth learning curve.
回复 55楼Yolo的帖子 Thanks. If you see something that I can improve. I''d very appreciate if you can point out. Having said that, I am careless about my linkedin profile, or grammar errors, or my Cinglish. I will never speak perfect English or write without errors. It is what it is. I do not feel shame for them at all. I do not see a path forward for many kids, including Asian kids. I knew two Asian kids got a useless DS degree from the best UC, and cannot find a good job. They can speak perfect English, but so what?
回复 59楼mimiyang的帖子 $9.99/month or $99.99/year Parents will need to make sure kids do the projects/practices because these projects are not addictive like video games. I do NOT think it is possible to make it fun enough for kids to do without designing it like video game. Learning a useful skills is an investment not entertainment. I don''t think it is possible to mix them up and get the best result out of it. What I do is to make it as easy as possible so they spend the least amount of time in front of computer and do not resent. CS/Programming is like craftsmanship. It is like Math, a very useful skill requires constant practice. If there is no requirement, very few kids will be willing to do Math.
回复 55楼Yolo的帖子 Thanks. If you see something that I can improve. I''d very appreciate if you can point out. Having said that, I am careless about my linkedin profile, or grammar errors, or my Cinglish. I will never speak perfect English or write without errors. It is what it is. I do not feel shame for them at all. I do not see a path forward for many kids, including Asian kids. I knew two Asian kids got a useless DS degree from the best UC, and cannot find a good job. They can speak perfect English, but so what? cstack 发表于 2022-08-02 02:52
A lot of Asian American kids will have to face the discrimination that they have nothing to do with. I watched PBS documentary: Try Harder. Asian kids just play with the game. Now the game is changed and they are systematically discriminated, and do not fight back. It is not a future I want to see for my kids.
回复 59楼mimiyang的帖子 $9.99/month or $99.99/year Parents will need to make sure kids do the projects/practices because these projects are not addictive like video games. I do NOT think it is possible to make it fun enough for kids to do without designing it like video game. Learning a useful skills is an investment not entertainment. I don''''''''t think it is possible to mix them up and get the best result out of it. What I do is to make it as easy as possible so they spend the least amount of time in front of computer and do not resent. CS/Programming is like craftsmanship. It is like Math, a very useful skill requires constant practice. If there is no requirement, very few kids will be willing to do Math.
No, we only focus on the pragmatic programming skills, and help our users build up confidence for programming. Once they have the confidence, they can do self study.
总结: 通过仔细计划和执行, 6th or 7th grader 能在高中毕前把大学CS四年核心软件项目:Algorithms, Data Structures, Database, Compiler, Networking Projects 做完. 而且他们会对CS and programming 有信心. 现在的学校教的越来越少, 学生有很多的时间. 在不加重他们负担的情况下是可以做到的. 这个项目的目的不是任何竞赛, 是帮住他们获得skills
About Myself: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ning-wang-514412242/
Sorry for switching to English because my pinyin is really poor and it is much faster for me to type.
I am in California, the equality movement has pushed many contents off the K-12 curriculum, SAT is cancelled, and UCs start to take race as a factor in college admissions. My kids go to public schools which are affected the most. Having said that, IMHO, going to private schools would not make much difference as this is a top down movement, our kids cannot avoid from being affected by the college admissions and by jobs screening.
My older son will be in 7th grade this fall. Every kid get chrome book now and they start to play video games or watch youtube when teachers have to help disadvantaged kids.
I do not want my son to waste time on video game or youtube in classroom. Our kids do not have video game play time at home. Ironically, they can get play time at school. I started to build this website for my son to practice programming skills at the end of last year. It is ready for more people to use. He can build projects whenever he has free time in his classroom while other kids are playing video games. He will start to build and practice one project every weekday this coming fall.
My intention is to create many micro-bite size mini projects to cover all the important CS subjects of a 4 year CS program so he can essentially make the same amount of programming practices with the same depth before his graduation from high school. Here is my plan for him: https://playc.us/static/parent.html.
He may still goes to college, but he will not have to compete for the CS majors.
If any parents are also concerned about your kids future, I would love to work with you to help them to build marketable skills. I believe skills will matter more in the future.
These coding projects are suitable for adults too. I believe with sufficient practice, anyone can master the programming skills. To be great at programming, you do not need any advanced math knowledge. Just clear thinking and logic are sufficient to help you succeed.
I will answer any questions. Thanks a lot for reading.
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What you said is correct. It is about the content. Python books normally have richer content for beginners, but C has much richer content for the foundation.
We help C make up by building more beginner contents. We have a project to build Tetris too, and many classic 2D games have C implementation.
我觉得你的用户定位和你的网站内容不匹配，初中生应该不会对这个感兴趣的。我儿子初中的时候我也试着教他C,他试了一下完全没有兴趣。后来自己找了本Python书，居然自己就入门了。在那之前我从没有学过python,也和你一个观点觉得编程就该用C。另外中学生编程最好的project其实就是动画/小游戏。我儿子告诉我他能熟练掌握2维数组就是通过俄罗斯方块的实现。
I believe kids are very smart, and we should treat them as such. I have met kids online and thought they are college CS students, but they are just 13, 14 year olds.
My targeted users: all secondary school students in the world, and anyone who want to do programming.
Let me know if you are interested in working together to build a bigger business. We use C/bash exclusively for the backend. It is so simple to implement a regional garbage collector so I rarely have to call malloc/free.
Picking up Javascript for the front-end will be trivial for you.
You can add my linkedin.
我在网络公司写网卡驱动程序，都是底层的系统编程。 我不知道你的用户定位是哪一类学生。我儿子今年上大学读计算机专业，他的中学计算机教育我基本全程参与了。我在东北部所以可以给你一个参考。这里基本小学玩图形界面编程（scratch / lego robot)，初中开始学一些python和高级一些的机器人编程，高中生大多数学2门 ap (computer principal / AP Java)，有部分学生继续机器人编程，还有些学生参加竞赛(USACO)。
It is text instruction based. There is no video. Once students can read for 2-3 minutes by themself, this format will be more efficient than video format.
Yes, it is designed for 6th grader and up.
I do not know about Python.
You can wait until he/she is ready, our content will be richer, and support will be better.
🛋️ 沙发板凳
不错
I think lz means video game play time.
It''s not for every kid.
For my kids, what I can do is to make it as easy as possbible. They are facing a very tougher future ahead, and they do not even know about it. Life will become much tougher for them after high school.
I optimize it so kids can spend the least amount of time in front of computer to build projects and to do practices, then they should go out and play with friends after that.
Harvard''s first CS course is using C, the professor explained why C is the best language as the first language. 60% students who take the course does not have any coding background.
Our goals is to convert most IT technologies to C projects. For example, we want to help students reinvent OO, Python, or Javascript as C projects, so they understand why and how these paradigms are designed and implemented. They will have the first hand experience for the pro and con of these paradigms.
They have a lot of play time with friends, but they don''t get video game play time. My neighbor who from Pakistan, said if Asian kids play video game, they are over. I think this is a very harsh hard truth.
如果连游戏都不玩，如何能去编程？
Video game developers in general have the worst work and life balance comparing to developers of other industries.
Most of the video game companies are not in the silicon valley because the cost center is not in the R&D. I hope my kids have a better work and life balance.
Spots on. That's what happened when you live in the US for many years.
我自己就是程序员，我从中国出来到美国，几乎认识的程序员都玩游戏。 不玩游戏的程序员不是好程序员。
A lot of Asian American kids will have to face the discrimination that they have nothing to do with.
I watched PBS documentary: Try Harder. Asian kids just play with the game. Now the game is changed and they are systematically discriminated, and do not fight back. It is not a future I want to see for my kids.
But you know the most profitable companies are not video game companies. For their limit time, I let them play sports and instead of video game.
界面太差 价钱太高 没有人愿意试用的
一本书才二十 你这连教材都没有
楼主说的很多都是正确的
It's completely project based learning.
The projects will cover all popular techs. For example we will have mini projects to re-implement python, http server, OO, etc.
I want to help students to recover all the popular technoglies themself by reinventing the wheels.
你这个月费包含啥？
Without having money, we will definitely not happy. Having it will not necessarily make one happier.
谢谢分享。 这几个键都不能点嘛？ 再就是我觉得按钮的border radius改下比较好看，还有有的按钮太长了。
For our generation and our kids, we do not have an unlimited resource. We have to be extremely pragmatic about what we do and we do NOT do.
IMHO, the only way for our kids to thrive in the US is to do a lot more with less.
You get the access to all projects and practices. For example, we already have sufficient mini projects to cover the whole C language including pointer. C is a surprisingly small language. The goal is to create as many projects as possible to cover all important CS subjects that are practically used in the industry.
My son has been doing it. He will start to build one project every weekday this fall in his classroom whenever his teacher has nothing to teach or at home.
We plan to create sufficient projects/practices for kids to build every weekday. Each one is less than 15 minutes. I believe practice matters. many small and easy practices to help them build confidence for programming.
也很难想象中产阶级的家长，会让自己的中学小孩去参加一个自称“大学难度”的课程。
老实说档次有点低，做成免费开源课程，在法拉盛社区做做宣传，都未必够格。
Thanks for reporting it, which ones are not clickable?
UI is not my strength. Are you good at UI? I''m looking for people to help me on UI.
截屏里，没有可以点的。 没有看具体内容，但是css可以再完善一下，我觉得会更好看些。
College CS content does not mean its college level difficulty. Anyone who has a CS degree and has worked in the industry knows college intentionally make their courses hard.
We have made the college CS content so easy that even 6 graders can do it. I have met a few 13 year old kids online who are as capable as a 4 year CS grad. Kids from middle class families will compete with them in the future job market.
Why Not? All your information are available for sell in ad companies. We don't have any privacy in today's economy.
In reality this is what actually happen:
Kids are treated as prince or princess in high school. When they go to college for CS, no matter which one. They will be treated much less nicely, they are literally forced to learn with a very unhealthy workload. I knew a UCSD CS student who was traumatized and dropped out.
I don't want my kids to be treated like that. I'd rather take it to my hands and help them learn with a very smooth learning curve.
不过楼主的帖子真是一条道走到黑的一根筋。
另外随便找个大学生把首页语法整整吧，看得太尬啦。
Thanks. If you see something that I can improve. I''d very appreciate if you can point out.
Having said that, I am careless about my linkedin profile, or grammar errors, or my Cinglish. I will never speak perfect English or write without errors. It is what it is. I do not feel shame for them at all.
I do not see a path forward for many kids, including Asian kids.
I knew two Asian kids got a useless DS degree from the best UC, and cannot find a good job. They can speak perfect English, but so what?
$9.99/month or $99.99/year
Parents will need to make sure kids do the projects/practices because these projects are not addictive like video games.
I do NOT think it is possible to make it fun enough for kids to do without designing it like video game. Learning a useful skills is an investment not entertainment. I don''t think it is possible to mix them up and get the best result out of it. What I do is to make it as easy as possible so they spend the least amount of time in front of computer and do not resent.
CS/Programming is like craftsmanship. It is like Math, a very useful skill requires constant practice. If there is no requirement, very few kids will be willing to do Math.
有这时间怼，还不如花点时间搞搞你这页面
你还是做个网站 做心理咨询和鸡汤文吧
我看你一套一套的
不太明白楼主的逻辑，说出话来，怎么一副我英语不好我有理，你们算什么东西的感觉？
即使讲的是真理，也需要语言的翅膀让它飞的更远。
你做的是个产品。再好的产品，用个破破烂烂的包装，也会让人觉得没有用心。譬如苹果手机，最初让它一炮而红，是和设计者对和造型完美的苛求是分不开的。
虚心点，把主页做的inviting一些，对你的business只有好处。
再感叹一下，tech的人一定要放下这种我什么都懂的态度，不然真是做不大，不适合做CEO
你说的一针见血的。而且我怎么觉得让自己的孩子把语言改改都行呢？如果找不到专业的美国人
读完了呢，还有研究生课程吗
你的简历和网站没有人会把孩子交给你的网站 除非父母懂计算机 一看你的网站就认为是宝贝
说得很对， 真的是太多了
mark 晚上让孩子试试 谢谢
你这在外国住几年连母语都说不好了，怎么让人相信你这个computer language没有问题。
建议发个教学大纲 roadmap，让读者知道跟着你会学到哪些东西+1
Free trial 里能看到的东西实在太简单了。
天，你的英语太也差了。 别耽误孩子了。光理科好没用的。 最怕偏执僵化的父母。
切，就这还拿哈佛课做对比，要知道哈佛cs50一开始是以C入门，然后某年换了教授用scratch做小游戏入门，报这门课的学生猛然增多了好几倍。兴趣才是最好的老师，你光会cs不懂引导学生的话，根本就不适合教学。
好像是小孩考大学的时候， 就不用去挤 CS 了。 反正已经都学完了。
毫无竞争力的产品。。
寓教于乐才是培养孩子兴趣的方式，那么差的界面，哪个孩子会感兴趣。。
Re, 2222年了不会还有人以为会写码就牛逼吧，你想商业化又要赚钱但是不管customer experience和feedback？ 可以直接抢钱何必还做个网站呢，笑死。
如果每周学习20小时的话，多少年可以全部完成里面所有的项目呢？
No, we only focus on the pragmatic programming skills, and help our users build up confidence for programming. Once they have the confidence, they can do self study.
Yes, we will add a roadmap.