UPenn 的老巫婆要被fire了

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horseinsky
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horseinsky
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According to an article published by Inside Higher Ed on July 19, 2022, the Dean of the University of Pennsylvania Law School (Penn Law) has started a process that could lead to Amy Wax’s termination. Amy Wax is the polarizing law professor who courted scandal with incendiary and racist remarks and writings about Black, Asian, Latino, Jewish, and gay people and seemed to relish the resulting controversies. Despite the repeated calls for her removal from her tenured position, and the criticisms of her actions—including by university leaders—that followed each controversy, Wax remained in the position and seemed firmly protected by free speech and academic freedom rights.
On June 23, 2022, Theodore W. Ruger, Dean of Penn Law, wrote a 12-page letter to Vivian L. Gadsden, Chair, Faculty Senate, and requested the convening of a Hearing Board to review whether Professor Amy Wax’s conduct constitutes a major infraction of University Standards under the Faculty Handbook. Faculty Handbook Section II.E.16, Procedure Governing Sanctions Taken Against Members of the Faculty.
According to the letter, Dean Ruger is initiating this disciplinary action because "for several years and in multiple instances Wax has shown a callous and flagrant disregard for our University community—including students, faculty, and staff—who have been repeatedly subjected to Wax’s intentional and incessant racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic actions and statements. Wax’s conduct inflicts harm on them and the institution and undermines the University’s core values. Wax has made these statements in the classroom and on campus, in other academic settings, and in public forums in which she was identified as a University of Pennsylvania professor. Her statements are antithetical to the University’s mission to foster a diverse and inclusive community and have led students and faculty to reasonably believe they will be subjected to discriminatory animus if they come into contact with her. That eminently reasonable concern has led students to conclude that they cannot take Wax’s classes and faculty to call her presence demoralizing and disruptive.
Moreover, in public discussions about Law students’ academic performance, Wax has disseminated false information about segments of the University community. She has exploited access to students’ confidential grade information and mischaracterized Law School policies in ostensible support of derogatory and inaccurate statements made about the characteristics, attitudes, and abilities of her students. As a result of Wax’s derogatory and misleading statements, students who have taken her classes have expressed anxiety that they will be accused of being at the bottom of their class since the number of minority students in her classes is finite and easily identifiable. Her conduct threatens to cause a chilling effect on students who have chosen to forego enrollment in her classes due to a concern they will be treated more harshly and unfairly relative to their white peers. In addition, her conduct is antithetical to the University’s core mission to attract a diverse student body to an inclusive educational environment.
Finally, Wax’s decision in 2021 to invite a renowned white supremacist, Jared Taylor, to be the featured guest speaker in a regular meeting of her Law School course, and to have Taylor as her guest at a lunch with her students who were expected to attend, crosses the line of what is acceptable in a University environment where principles of non-discrimination apply. Although faculty members have broad discretion in their teaching and academic pursuits, Taylor’s explicit racism, hate-speech, and white supremacy contravenes the University’s express policies and mission, and his white supremacist ideology has been associated closely with those perpetrating violence towards minorities in this country and others. In both promoting this ideology herself, bestowing an honorific guest lecturer role on Taylor, and importing his views into our curriculum, Wax has caused profound harm to our students and faculty, and her escalating pattern of behavior raises risks of increased harm and escalating damage going forward."
In January 2022, she wrote, “I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” Her dean responded by calling Wax’s remarks “anti-intellectual” and “racist,” asserting that her “xenophobic and white supremacist views … are diametrically opposed to the policies and ethos of this institution.”
A major sanction, according to Penn’s Faculty Handbook, can be “termination; suspension; reduction in academic base salary; [or] zero salary increases stipulated in advance for a period of four or more years.”
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cebublue
终于啊
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cutie
终于了 怎么这么晚
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fannysunny
不知为啥她还能任职到现在,she deserves it,finally. 希望她成为过街老鼠,人人踩之!
月光果
就她说的那些话,现在还没被开除也是神奇了。
河边垂钓
自找的
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damulvv
早点走吧。
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tinmouse85
这种事换个学校/公司或者换个人,分分钟就被开了。这人有啥通天的本事能一犯再犯还好好的在学校里呆着?说是被free speech and academic freedom rights firmly protected谁信啊?
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coalpilerd
那个货总算要被开了,太好了。
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xiaozhu2005
可以看一下Dean的信,写的非常好,知道怎么打蛇打七寸。academic file或者suspend一个tenured professor是很难的,结果不一定,这个Dean按照faculty manual有针对性的写的信,非常赞。现在学校已经open case了,就开下面的调查,希望UPenn能够公正。
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graceka
它居然还弄了个GoFundMe, 四天搞了五万多,想要三十万。https://www.gofundme.com/f/amy-wax-legal-defense-fund
薰衣草8
求前情提要
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graceka
求前情提要
薰衣草8 发表于 2022-07-21 10:19

 “I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” 
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flyfireice
可以看一下Dean的信,写的非常好,知道怎么打蛇打七寸。academic file或者suspend一个tenured professor是很难的,结果不一定,这个Dean按照faculty manual有针对性的写的信,非常赞。现在学校已经open case了,就开下面的调查,希望UPenn能够公正。

xiaozhu2005 发表于 2022-07-21 10:12

求链接来学习!
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Mintcafe
它居然还弄了个GoFundMe, 四天搞了五万多,想要三十万。https://www.gofundme.com/f/amy-wax-legal-defense-fund
graceka 发表于 2022-07-21 10:14

有谁知道捐款撤回来留言会保留嘛
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hellokitty00
她的言论不只是反亚裔,歧视黑人,歧视hispanics, 歧视女人(自己还是个女的),歧视同性恋,歧视跨族婚姻,推崇犹太人
学校保护的是学术言论自由,她这么明目张胆的种族性别歧视仇恨言论根本不应该在保护范围之内。Upenn还没有开除她(现在只是调查)说明学校内部有不少和她思想一致但隐藏不发声的。要在Berkley, 早就被踢出去了。
She told a Black student, “who asked whether Wax agreed with panelist John Derbyshire’s statements that Black people are inherently inferior to white people, that ‘you can have two plants that grow under the same conditions, and one will just grow higher than the other.’” She told another Black student “that she had only become a double Ivy ‘because of affirmative action.’” Wax told a student that Black students don’t perform as well as white students because they are less well prepared and that they are less well prepared because of affirmative action. She said in a class “that Mexican men are more likely to assault women and remarking such a stereotype was accurate in the same way as ‘Germans are punctual.’” She said in a class that “gay couples are not fit to raise children.” She said “after a series of students with foreign-sounding names introduced themselves that one student was ‘finally, an American’ adding, ‘it’s a good thing, trust me.’” Under “faculty must evaluate each student’s true merit,” Ruger listed the following: “Stating, based on misleading citation of other sources, that ‘women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men,’ women are ‘less intellectual than men’ and there is ‘some evidence’ for the proposition that ‘men and women differ in cognitive ability.’” Stating that Black people have “different average IQs” than non-Black people, could “not be evenly distributed through all occupations,” and that such a phenomenon would not be “due to racism.” Stating “some of them shouldn’t” go to college in reference to Black students who attend Penn Law and its peer law schools. Stating that Asians have an “indifference to liberty,” lack “thoughtful and audacious individualism” and that “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” Stating that immigrants with “Brown faces, Asian faces … feel anger, envy, and shame,” and expressing her disbelief that they would criticize the United States when “on some level, their country is a shithole.” Stating that “there were some very smart Jews” among her past students but that Ashkenazi Jews are “diluting [their] brand like crazy because [they are] intermarrying.” And here are the examples he gave of Wax violating the principle that “faculty must show respect for others, including faculty”: She told a Black faculty colleague that it is “rational to be afraid of Black men in elevators.” While serving a panel with a gay faculty member, she said that “no one should have to live in a dorm room with a gay roommate and, separately, that same-sex relationships are self-centered, selfish and not focused on family or community.” She referred to faculty colleagues who have criticized her as “anti–role models” in a talk to law students.
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穿紫衣服的小白
这完全是希特勒言论,开除了好,关键还是名校教授,这得多误人子弟啊
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mouton
咎由自取,育人领域岂容种族歧视者。
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duckfeather
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Truth hurts. 人家都快70了,还怕fire?她说的也是明显的事实吧
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pinkymania
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Truth hurts. 人家都快70了,还怕fire?她说的也是明显的事实吧
duckfeather 发表于 2022-07-21 10:29

你觉得她说得对,为什么还不赶快滚?
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duckfeather
人家让谁滚,您的表现难道不是不言自明吗?
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saison
居然说这种混蛋话的第一天,没有就惹上麻烦???可是费城,不是什么深红州,闭塞小地方吧。
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somuch
活该!!!
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coalpilerd
人家让谁滚,您的表现难道不是不言自明吗?
duckfeather 发表于 2022-07-21 10:48

滚?想得太美了。人家说的是没有亚裔美国会更好,美国亚裔就跟二战前德国的犹太人一样,就差没明说亚裔该去集中营毒气室了。你觉得你有啥特别之处可以成为她开恩豁免的另类?
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CC055
她的言论不只是反亚裔,歧视黑人,歧视hispanics, 歧视女人(自己还是个女的),歧视同性恋,歧视跨族婚姻,推崇犹太人
学校保护的是学术言论自由,她这么明目张胆的种族性别歧视仇恨言论根本不应该在保护范围之内。Upenn还没有开除她(现在只是调查)说明学校内部有不少和她思想一致但隐藏不发声的。要在Berkley, 早就被踢出去了。
She told a Black student, “who asked whether Wax agreed with panelist John Derbyshire’s statements that Black people are inherently inferior to white people, that ‘you can have two plants that grow under the same conditions, and one will just grow higher than the other.’” She told another Black student “that she had only become a double Ivy ‘because of affirmative action.’” Wax told a student that Black students don’t perform as well as white students because they are less well prepared and that they are less well prepared because of affirmative action. She said in a class “that Mexican men are more likely to assault women and remarking such a stereotype was accurate in the same way as ‘Germans are punctual.’” She said in a class that “gay couples are not fit to raise children.” She said “after a series of students with foreign-sounding names introduced themselves that one student was ‘finally, an American’ adding, ‘it’s a good thing, trust me.’” Under “faculty must evaluate each student’s true merit,” Ruger listed the following: “Stating, based on misleading citation of other sources, that ‘women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men,’ women are ‘less intellectual than men’ and there is ‘some evidence’ for the proposition that ‘men and women differ in cognitive ability.’” Stating that Black people have “different average IQs” than non-Black people, could “not be evenly distributed through all occupations,” and that such a phenomenon would not be “due to racism.” Stating “some of them shouldn’t” go to college in reference to Black students who attend Penn Law and its peer law schools. Stating that Asians have an “indifference to liberty,” lack “thoughtful and audacious individualism” and that “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” Stating that immigrants with “Brown faces, Asian faces … feel anger, envy, and shame,” and expressing her disbelief that they would criticize the United States when “on some level, their country is a shithole.” Stating that “there were some very smart Jews” among her past students but that Ashkenazi Jews are “diluting [their] brand like crazy because [they are] intermarrying.” And here are the examples he gave of Wax violating the principle that “faculty must show respect for others, including faculty”: She told a Black faculty colleague that it is “rational to be afraid of Black men in elevators.” While serving a panel with a gay faculty member, she said that “no one should have to live in a dorm room with a gay roommate and, separately, that same-sex relationships are self-centered, selfish and not focused on family or community.” She referred to faculty colleagues who have criticized her as “anti–role models” in a talk to law students.

hellokitty00 发表于 2022-07-21 10:27

此人对亚裔的评价是:无视自由,做事循规蹈矩缺乏个性,美国不需要这么多此类性格的移民。
此人对黑人的评价是:黑人靠优先照顾进入藤校,究其原因是不够资格不是歧视。电梯里见到黑人害怕属于正常反应。
女性智商水平- 很多统计数据证实了男性variance 高,傻叉多,极聪明的也多,而女性整体来说趋向平均值,傻叉少,极聪明的也少。
她其它的观点也挺有意思,很多是从统计数据角度来说的,有些带着她自己的偏见和局限性,有些我不同意,可以一笑了之,也可以反驳。人家一辈子都是这么说话的,现在被赶尽杀绝是美国言论自由倒退的表现。以后大家互吹互捧没人敢批评了。
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Tina_tgif
此人对亚裔的评价是:无视自由,做事循规蹈矩缺乏个性,美国不需要这么多此类性格的移民。
此人对黑人的评价是:黑人靠优先照顾进入藤校,究其原因是不够资格不是歧视。电梯里见到黑人害怕属于正常反应。
女性智商水平- 很多统计数据证实了男性variance 高,傻叉多,极聪明的也多,而女性整体来说趋向平均值,傻叉少,极聪明的也少。
她其它的观点也挺有意思,很多是从统计数据角度来说的,有些带着她自己的偏见和局限性,有些我不同意,可以一笑了之,也可以反驳。人家一辈子都是这么说话的,现在被赶尽杀绝是美国言论自由倒退的表现。以后大家互吹互捧没人敢批评了。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 12:21

这种明目张胆说什么美国会better off without 某某族裔的言论自由没有了更好。。。很是诧异竟然还会有亚裔给她站位的。。。人家是怎么看你的自己心中不清楚么?或者还真是自信心满满以为自己就会被人另眼相看?
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pinkymania
此人对亚裔的评价是:无视自由,做事循规蹈矩缺乏个性,美国不需要这么多此类性格的移民。
此人对黑人的评价是:黑人靠优先照顾进入藤校,究其原因是不够资格不是歧视。电梯里见到黑人害怕属于正常反应。
女性智商水平- 很多统计数据证实了男性variance 高,傻叉多,极聪明的也多,而女性整体来说趋向平均值,傻叉少,极聪明的也少。
她其它的观点也挺有意思,很多是从统计数据角度来说的,有些带着她自己的偏见和局限性,有些我不同意,可以一笑了之,也可以反驳。人家一辈子都是这么说话的,现在被赶尽杀绝是美国言论自由倒退的表现。以后大家互吹互捧没人敢批评了。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 12:21

是啊,没事弄个mass shooting杀几十个孩子,杀个老婆孩子的白男最信仰自由,最有个性了和创造力了。
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metis
喜大普奔!这样的人在UPenn这么久,我都不知道到底这金字塔尖是思想自由还是藏污纳垢。可算清净了!
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xufeng
这种人渣竟然有人舔?
孤傲招财猫
脸上写满了邪恶
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suiji
长得就不像好人,一看就是阴险奸诈之人
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Cumberbitch
这个人还没被开除啊 不是一次两次了
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m口罩sk
居然说这种混蛋话的第一天,没有就惹上麻烦???可是费城,不是什么深红州,闭塞小地方吧。
saison 发表于 2022-07-21 10:57

你看看
https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2022/01/professor-amy-wax-faculty-review-racist-remarks
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llily
This evil Jewish racist should have been fired earlier.
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yanle
现在还只是听证调查,离被fire还有点远。这么多年种族歧视言论,居然没人动她。
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star1991
早就该开了,赤裸裸种族歧视
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hellokitty00
此人对亚裔的评价是:无视自由,做事循规蹈矩缺乏个性,美国不需要这么多此类性格的移民。
此人对黑人的评价是:黑人靠优先照顾进入藤校,究其原因是不够资格不是歧视。电梯里见到黑人害怕属于正常反应。
女性智商水平- 很多统计数据证实了男性variance 高,傻叉多,极聪明的也多,而女性整体来说趋向平均值,傻叉少,极聪明的也少。
她其它的观点也挺有意思,很多是从统计数据角度来说的,有些带着她自己的偏见和局限性,有些我不同意,可以一笑了之,也可以反驳。人家一辈子都是这么说话的,现在被赶尽杀绝是美国言论自由倒退的表现。以后大家互吹互捧没人敢批评了。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 12:21

涉及种族宗教性别差异的在公开场合说的话具有煽动性也有诱导性,如果不是很准确的真理,都不能随便说。
统计数据有样本偏差, self selection, 内生因素等各种影响,只能参考,不是硬科学 (比如说男女智商的研究)。
言论自由不等于不分场合什么都可以说。希特勒一开始不也是通过公开说犹太人是德国经济问题的元凶,言论自由啊,结果就是挑起德国民众对犹太人的仇恨。
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CC055
这种明目张胆说什么美国会better off without 某某族裔的言论自由没有了更好。。。很是诧异竟然还会有亚裔给她站位的。。。人家是怎么看你的自己心中不清楚么?或者还真是自信心满满以为自己就会被人另眼相看?
Tina_tgif 发表于 2022-07-21 12:31

不让说并不会让这些对亚裔有看法的人消失,反而以后听不到别人真正的想法。黑名贵闹完了所有人对黑人感官好了吗?没有,只是不敢说了。犹太教堂至今动不动被人mass shooting, 但也几乎看不到别人当面说滚出美国之类的话。
文化差异,刻板印象,移民占了本地人资源有利益冲突,等等问题,有人提出来就可以对话来解决。我没看到一个亚裔写公开信怼她,只看到满版让她闭嘴,这种不解决问题只解决说话的人的做法我反对。
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cacp
阿道夫不是完全没道理的。
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flying3
不让说并不会让这些对亚裔有看法的人消失,反而以后听不到别人真正的想法。黑名贵闹完了所有人对黑人感官好了吗?没有,只是不敢说了。犹太教堂至今动不动被人mass shooting, 但也几乎看不到别人当面说滚出美国之类的话。
文化差异,刻板印象,移民占了本地人资源有利益冲突,等等问题,有人提出来就可以对话来解决。我没看到一个亚裔写公开信怼她,只看到满版让她闭嘴,这种不解决问题只解决说话的人的做法我反对。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 14:34

没有人要解决说话的人---谁说要杀了她?但她说的话与教书育人的教授职位不相符,所以开除她很合适。 按你的逻辑犹太人为什么总被人记恨?是不是天性阴险狡诈爱使坏?自己是不是应该切实反思改进???最好滚出美国
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cheesecakefun
这楼里的自恨id还不身体力行的赶紧滚走。
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hellokitty00
不让说并不会让这些对亚裔有看法的人消失,反而以后听不到别人真正的想法。黑名贵闹完了所有人对黑人感官好了吗?没有,只是不敢说了。犹太教堂至今动不动被人mass shooting, 但也几乎看不到别人当面说滚出美国之类的话。
文化差异,刻板印象,移民占了本地人资源有利益冲突,等等问题,有人提出来就可以对话来解决。我没看到一个亚裔写公开信怼她,只看到满版让她闭嘴,这种不解决问题只解决说话的人的做法我反对。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 14:34

如果FOX采访我,让我也上同一个节目,我也会说我们的观点。问题是人根本不给你这机会啊。
你这么知道没人写公开信,网上信息那么多,没有好的渠道,写了很快就沉了。 抗议人多了,学校为啥拖了那么久才开始调查?还提出来就可以对话解决,怎么这么幼稚。
你看不到亚裔在舆论机会上的劣势吗?不知道争取正当权益,倒是这么听老妖婆的话。
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Silverwing
滚?想得太美了。人家说的是没有亚裔美国会更好,美国亚裔就跟二战前德国的犹太人一样,就差没明说亚裔该去集中营毒气室了。你觉得你有啥特别之处可以成为她开恩豁免的另类?
coalpilerd 发表于 2022-07-21 11:11

那位层主她口含白鸡吧, 认为自己就算不是荣誉白人也算白人他/妈,已经脱离华人群体, 你们这种华人应该滚蛋, 逻辑上没毛病吧 可惜这种人在家里被人边缘化,还只能跑到中文论坛抱团取暖,骂中为乐, 所谓融合,迟早融合到后院土里
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MeiyouID
说不定下回GOP上台,他就变成大法官了。 或者他当总统也不一定
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fairyjo
这个帖里的反思党真是叹为观止,mark一下
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schrodingerh
长得确实老巫婆
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NJ橘猫
回复 1楼horseinsky的帖子
Truth hurts. 人家都快70了,还怕fire?她说的也是明显的事实吧
duckfeather 发表于 2022-07-21 10:29

为了美国更美好,你自己先离开啊
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这个帖里的反思党真是叹为观止,mark一下
fairyjo 发表于 2022-07-21 15:35

+1
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Lxh
阿道夫不是完全没道理的。
cacp 发表于 2022-07-21 14:39

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transient
好消息。希望能让她滚蛋。
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xdsqc
她的言论不只是反亚裔,歧视黑人,歧视hispanics, 歧视女人(自己还是个女的),歧视同性恋,歧视跨族婚姻,推崇犹太人
学校保护的是学术言论自由,她这么明目张胆的种族性别歧视仇恨言论根本不应该在保护范围之内。Upenn还没有开除她(现在只是调查)说明学校内部有不少和她思想一致但隐藏不发声的。要在Berkley, 早就被踢出去了。
She told a Black student, “who asked whether Wax agreed with panelist John Derbyshire’s statements that Black people are inherently inferior to white people, that ‘you can have two plants that grow under the same conditions, and one will just grow higher than the other.’” She told another Black student “that she had only become a double Ivy ‘because of affirmative action.’” Wax told a student that Black students don’t perform as well as white students because they are less well prepared and that they are less well prepared because of affirmative action. She said in a class “that Mexican men are more likely to assault women and remarking such a stereotype was accurate in the same way as ‘Germans are punctual.’” She said in a class that “gay couples are not fit to raise children.” She said “after a series of students with foreign-sounding names introduced themselves that one student was ‘finally, an American’ adding, ‘it’s a good thing, trust me.’” Under “faculty must evaluate each student’s true merit,” Ruger listed the following: “Stating, based on misleading citation of other sources, that ‘women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men,’ women are ‘less intellectual than men’ and there is ‘some evidence’ for the proposition that ‘men and women differ in cognitive ability.’” Stating that Black people have “different average IQs” than non-Black people, could “not be evenly distributed through all occupations,” and that such a phenomenon would not be “due to racism.” Stating “some of them shouldn’t” go to college in reference to Black students who attend Penn Law and its peer law schools. Stating that Asians have an “indifference to liberty,” lack “thoughtful and audacious individualism” and that “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” Stating that immigrants with “Brown faces, Asian faces … feel anger, envy, and shame,” and expressing her disbelief that they would criticize the United States when “on some level, their country is a shithole.” Stating that “there were some very smart Jews” among her past students but that Ashkenazi Jews are “diluting [their] brand like crazy because [they are] intermarrying.” And here are the examples he gave of Wax violating the principle that “faculty must show respect for others, including faculty”: She told a Black faculty colleague that it is “rational to be afraid of Black men in elevators.” While serving a panel with a gay faculty member, she said that “no one should have to live in a dorm room with a gay roommate and, separately, that same-sex relationships are self-centered, selfish and not focused on family or community.” She referred to faculty colleagues who have criticized her as “anti–role models” in a talk to law students.

hellokitty00 发表于 2022-07-21 10:27

我去。。。。。这也太赤裸裸了。这样的人居然还留在位置上面这么久?!
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xdsqc
这个帖里的反思党真是叹为观止,mark一下
fairyjo 发表于 2022-07-21 15:35

是啊,部分人的言语比这个教授更让人大开眼界呢。
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早该滚了,滚得还不够丑陋
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crazyHat
回复 54楼xdsqc的帖子
这贴里的反思党实在是过于奇葩,值得建立一个研究团队研究下到底是怎么长的…
是嫁了白男被PUA得变态了?
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dajiangyoude
不知为啥她还能任职到现在,she deserves it,finally. 希望她成为过街老鼠,人人踩之!
fannysunny 发表于 2022-07-21 09:11

同意!
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subzero
太好了! 种族歧视的老妖婆给滚蛋,喜大普奔!

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cacp

Lxh 发表于 2022-07-21 15:57

靠你妈逼
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回复 22楼duckfeather的帖子
对对对, 对种族主义畜生来说,让谁滚谁就该滚 不圆润一点立即滚,就更加证明劣等种族必须滚
说实话,我很少看到下贱到你这个地步的人,开眼了
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Preslynn
终于要开了,这么久……
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firstautumn
犹太老妖婆!
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xinxin2222
又是亚伯拉罕诸教的信徒祸害世界。
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bdttlqh
胖猫猫
人渣
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corfarm
回复 1楼horseinsky的帖子
支持Fire她
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blushpeony
这种事换个学校/公司或者换个人,分分钟就被开了。这人有啥通天的本事能一犯再犯还好好的在学校里呆着?说是被free speech and academic freedom rights firmly protected谁信啊?
tinmouse85 发表于 2022-07-21 10:06

我猜因为这是law professor 要把流程走得滴水不漏 所以花时间 不然学校哪怕terminate 她 将来也要赔钱
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Microdisney
在学校这种首推diversity的地方居然让她呆到现在也是奇了
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m口罩sk
我猜因为这是law professor 要把流程走得滴水不漏 所以花时间 不然学校哪怕terminate 她 将来也要赔钱
blushpeony 发表于 2022-07-21 23:37

她打擦边球,一直走academic freedom的棋,这个是gray area,又是acadmia最爱吹捧的,法考题们最爱捍卫的东西,所以一直还是有人从这个角度支持她。
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bhuahua
 “I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” 
graceka 发表于 2022-07-21 10:24

frankly speaking, 我觉得还是言论自由范畴。如果她的话客观上不正确,她的话就激不起任何波澜,只会给人她是rascist的感觉而敬而远之。只要她在给亚裔打分评奖上是和其他的族裔是一致的,我就觉得没有任何问题。
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bhuahua
此人对亚裔的评价是:无视自由,做事循规蹈矩缺乏个性,美国不需要这么多此类性格的移民。
此人对黑人的评价是:黑人靠优先照顾进入藤校,究其原因是不够资格不是歧视。电梯里见到黑人害怕属于正常反应。
女性智商水平- 很多统计数据证实了男性variance 高,傻叉多,极聪明的也多,而女性整体来说趋向平均值,傻叉少,极聪明的也少。
她其它的观点也挺有意思,很多是从统计数据角度来说的,有些带着她自己的偏见和局限性,有些我不同意,可以一笑了之,也可以反驳。人家一辈子都是这么说话的,现在被赶尽杀绝是美国言论自由倒退的表现。以后大家互吹互捧没人敢批评了。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 12:21

我同意,不同意保留意见就是了,只要选她课的人她一碗水端平就好。
颜即是正义
frankly speaking, 我觉得还是言论自由范畴。如果她的话客观上不正确,她的话就激不起任何波澜,只会给人她是rascist的感觉而敬而远之。只要她在给亚裔打分评奖上是和其他的族裔是一致的,我就觉得没有任何问题。
bhuahua 发表于 2022-07-22 00:15

你猜如果在工作场所说“I think the United States is better off with fewer Black people” 会不会马上被fire?
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hellokitty00
我同意,不同意保留意见就是了,只要选她课的人她一碗水端平就好。
bhuahua 发表于 2022-07-22 00:17

你看她对学生说的话,怎么可能呢?
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chopincminor
说了半天可能只是减薪或者不涨薪水啊?
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chopincminor
Stating that “there were some very smart Jews” among her past students but that Ashkenazi Jews are “diluting [their] brand like crazy because [they are] intermarrying.” Wow 这不就是当初纳粹对犹太人那一套理论的翻版么
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此人对亚裔的评价是:无视自由,做事循规蹈矩缺乏个性,美国不需要这么多此类性格的移民。
此人对黑人的评价是:黑人靠优先照顾进入藤校,究其原因是不够资格不是歧视。电梯里见到黑人害怕属于正常反应。
女性智商水平- 很多统计数据证实了男性variance 高,傻叉多,极聪明的也多,而女性整体来说趋向平均值,傻叉少,极聪明的也少。
她其它的观点也挺有意思,很多是从统计数据角度来说的,有些带着她自己的偏见和局限性,有些我不同意,可以一笑了之,也可以反驳。人家一辈子都是这么说话的,现在被赶尽杀绝是美国言论自由倒退的表现。以后大家互吹互捧没人敢批评了。
CC055 发表于 2022-07-21 12:21


给那些支持她的言论的人:觉得她对所有人的极端评价都基于统计,那么她对亚洲人的评价最有危险性,对其他族群都只是comment, 对亚洲人直接多加了一个call for action ,危险性更直接,可能导致对亚洲人带来极端暴力,雇佣歧视等等。
事实上是,即便大部分亚洲人循规蹈矩是真,对美国的贡献是巨大的,社会需要勤勤恳恳工作的螺丝钉。说对美国无用这部分完全不是基于统计,让亚洲人离开美国更不是,纯粹个人偏执。
不评论她的观点部分。 她不敢把call for action 用在黑人身上。所以那些自恨党,看明白了吗。
“农民工很脏,所以应该赶出北上广” “大陆人没素质,所以要限制来香港” “穷人智商不高,所以没必要让他们上学”
前半部分你可以说是观点,后半部分不是,这种类似言论在任何有言论自由的正常社会都不能容忍。

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Appleworm
她敢说黑人吗,少一点零元购的黑人,美国会更好。她要敢说我就敬她是个人物
哦,看了下,貌似她也歧视黑人,只不过没有说少了黑人美国会更好这样的话
忒嚣张了,这样的人居然还处于学校高位
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回复 11楼xiaozhu2005的帖子
看不惯她的人很多 都在慢慢积累她的黑材料。 Dean 的任务是把黑材料整理到一起有理有据搞掉她
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回复 1楼horseinsky的帖子
Truth hurts. 人家都快70了,还怕fire?她说的也是明显的事实吧
duckfeather 发表于 2022-07-21 10:29

不需要这么多亚裔移民,call for action,这是明显的事实?这跟对人嚷嚷Go back to China类似,文化人说得委婉一点而已。 Racist还要大声说出来,以为她掌握了真理和正义,被fire很好。
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graceka
就瞧楼里自恨党的样子就知道亚裔并不缺乏‘有个性’的人。这要换了别的族裔,被人这么说应该绝大绝大多数都很愤怒吧。华裔就能找出相当部分的人振振有词,觉得她说的对,必须保护起来。这还不够‘个性’啊。真心希望这些人勇敢在现实生活中大胆发言,破除别人对亚裔‘循规蹈矩没有个性’的看法。千万别活拧巴了。
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Idonia
就瞧楼里自恨党的样子就知道亚裔并不缺乏‘有个性’的人。这要换了别的族裔,被人这么说应该绝大绝大多数都很愤怒吧。华裔就能找出相当部分的人振振有词,觉得她说的对,必须保护起来。这还不够‘个性’啊。真心希望这些人勇敢在现实生活中大胆发言,破除别人对亚裔‘循规蹈矩没有个性’的看法。千万别活拧巴了。
graceka 发表于 2022-07-22 09:29

是啊,Racist应该滚出地球,去一个只有ta那个族裔肤色的纯种星球。
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CornerStone
“Stating that Asians have an “indifference to liberty,” lack “thoughtful and audacious individualism” and that “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” 呵呵,很多人对她这句话的反应不是正好印证了她前半句的正确了么? 人家都说了“美国要少一些asian”这么过分的话了,结果这么久都还没有“audacious individual”站出来扇她耳光或者当面抗议。最多就是只能网上骂骂而已(包括我在内)。还有很多人成天争论各种国内比美国好还成天要海龟,显然indifference to liberty这个评价也是很精准啊
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graceka
“Stating that Asians have an “indifference to liberty,” lack “thoughtful and audacious individualism” and that “the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration.” 呵呵,很多人对她这句话的反应不是正好印证了她前半句的正确了么? 人家都说了“美国要少一些asian”这么过分的话了,结果这么久都还没有“audacious individual”站出来扇她耳光或者当面抗议。最多就是只能网上骂骂而已(包括我在内)。还有很多人成天争论各种国内比美国好还成天要海龟,显然indifference to liberty这个评价也是很精准啊
CornerStone 发表于 2022-07-22 09:49

你自己看不到,就说没有。同时上升到同意她的言论。也是挺’个性‘的嘛。你不会随便搜一下? https://www.ocanational.org/press-releases/asian-american-groups-say-university-of-pennsylvanias-failure-to-fire-racist-law-professor-amy-wax-is-simply-unacceptable https://nextshark.com/amy-wax-held-accountable/
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hellokitty00
你自己看不到,就说没有。同时上升到同意她的言论。也是挺’个性‘的嘛。你不会随便搜一下? https://www.ocanational.org/press-releases/asian-american-groups-say-university-of-pennsylvanias-failure-to-fire-racist-law-professor-amy-wax-is-simply-unacceptable https://nextshark.com/amy-wax-held-accountable/

graceka 发表于 2022-07-22 10:11

有些人自己就是缩头乌龟,所以老妖婆一说,当然认同,所以马上就认下来了呗。