再也不瞧不起猪了,美国又有两名脑死亡患者移植猪心了

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lhu2006
楼主 (北美华人网)
猪好伟大!

宝宝宝宝
这是把脑死亡患者当小白鼠了?
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snowpenguin
这是把脑死亡患者当小白鼠了?
宝宝宝宝 发表于 2022-07-12 15:24

是的
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yulingxi
作为医学小白,想请教为什么脑死亡要作心脏移植?
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lhu2006
这是把脑死亡患者当小白鼠了?
宝宝宝宝 发表于 2022-07-12 15:24

你也可以这样理解,当然也可以有别的更高尚些的理解。
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Dida123
作为医学小白,想请教为什么脑死亡要要作心脏移植?
yulingxi 发表于 2022-07-12 15:28

亲属捐遗体做心脏移植实验了
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lhu2006
作为医学小白,想请教为什么脑死亡要要作心脏移植?
yulingxi 发表于 2022-07-12 15:28

俩人都是脑死亡,靠呼吸机维持生命。 死前都是心脏病发作。正好可以看看猪心脏是否能代替人心脏啊,
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vitd120
上次那个好像因为猪心里有病毒感染死了?
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carollife
祝愿能成功。
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Cumberbitch
都脑死亡了,相当于人死了,身体靠机器维持 那已经不是拿死马当活马医 基本上就是在死马身上做点医学实验而已
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gokgs
人工心脏感觉最好代替了阿, 人类还是有很长的路要走。
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ppwar
在美国脑死亡就是死亡嘛。死亡判定后维持的就不叫生命了
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rose9999
所以有一个民族把猪视为神明是有先知的
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lhu2006
上次那个好像因为猪心里有病毒感染死了?
vitd120 发表于 2022-07-12 15:31

死了,这次的试验也可以再次检测猪病毒能否传染到人体内。
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yemao
在美国脑死亡就是死亡嘛。死亡判定后维持的就不叫生命了
ppwar 发表于 2022-07-12 15:33

那为啥还没脑子的胎儿就可以算生命呢?
既然有心跳就不能堕胎,怎么可以把有心跳的人杀死呢?
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MMitchell
上次那个好像因为猪心里有病毒感染死了?
vitd120 发表于 2022-07-12 15:31

是移植以后几周才在病人血里检测到了猪的巨细胞病毒。病理结论只是说心肌细胞的死亡不是排斥反应导致的。 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/porcine-virus-may-have-led-to-the-death-of-first-ever-pig-heart-transplant-patient-180980042/
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Cumberbitch
所以有一个民族把猪视为神明是有先知的
rose9999 发表于 2022-07-12 15:33

哪个民族???
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luludog
那为啥还没脑子的胎儿就可以算生命呢?
既然有心跳就不能堕胎,怎么可以把有心跳的人杀死呢?
yemao 发表于 2022-07-12 15:47

胎儿没脑子?确定?15周就能对疼痛做反映了。另外胎儿是脑死亡状态?脑都死亡了,你出生长到现在还能发帖?大脑还在发育中和脑死亡一样?你让脑死亡的发育10年看看能不能发帖了
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gooog
猪好伟大!


lhu2006 发表于 2022-07-12 15:22

why not transplant brain instead of heart?
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strawberrykiwi
哪个民族???

Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-07-12 15:55

中华家,净坛使者?
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rose9999
哪个民族???

Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-07-12 15:55

回族啊
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iweyr
我只是好奇,以后猪心广泛运用了,如果回教徒需要他们会如何选择
在他们宗教好像猪是很不讲究的生物。。。
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carollife
移植人类大脑可能吗?之前有个新闻说换头的,没有下文了。
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francisca
医学要进步,不都这样一步一步走出来的?
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wonaiwangerxiao
只能说谢谢猪,但是说伟大的话猪可能想骂人,因为它很可能想把伟大的机会让给人。
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crazyeater
作为医学小白,想请教为什么脑死亡要作心脏移植?
yulingxi 发表于 2022-07-12 15:28

就是做实验罢了,要是在活人身上移植猪心会有道德伦理问题,在死人身上移植又看不出有没有效果。
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Bobatea8888
回族啊
rose9999 发表于 2022-07-12 16:28

你认真的吗?
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.Cheers.
都脑死亡了,相当于人死了,身体靠机器维持 那已经不是拿死马当活马医 基本上就是在死马身上做点医学实验而已
Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-07-12 15:32

只能这样做实验了。上次那样,患者燃起希望又熄灭,中间还不断受苦,太残忍了。
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me3
这只猪可不是普通的猪,是改造过不少基因的猪。
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rose9999
你认真的吗?
Bobatea8888 发表于 2022-07-12 20:01

嗯哼?
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happylifeafter
回复 10楼Cumberbitch的帖子
就是啊,都脑死亡了,还要猪心有什麽用。
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VanilaiceCream
这是把脑死亡患者当小白鼠了?
宝宝宝宝 发表于 2022-07-12 15:24

反正也已经死了。。
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lvyw
之前的不是失败么
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louaci
其实蛮浪费蛮自私的,人都很多贪欲不愿意离开地球,导致地球人口爆炸资源枯竭。
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hualihu
回复 1楼lhu2006的帖子
德州老爹救下儿子 儿子也被宣判脑死亡了吧。
本质上就是活人实验而已。 别傻逼看不出这个了。
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hualihu
A father’s desperate – but dangerous – strategy to keep his ‘brain dead’ son on life support

做这种实验的就是变态杀手
大喜妞
感谢这些患者和家人的贡献!千秋万代!人类的一大步。
大喜妞
回复 1楼lhu2006的帖子
德州老爹救下儿子 儿子也被宣判脑死亡了吧。
本质上就是活人实验而已。 别傻逼看不出这个了。
hualihu 发表于 2022-07-13 07:39


你那么聪明又有爱心,以后病了别用任何医疗手段。每种医疗手段在开发阶段都有无数的患者以各种方式做贡献,很多付出了生命的代价的,包括简单的药物。
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hualihu
回复 38楼大喜妞的帖子
本来就不该有那么多废物手段 最好是治未病 老祖宗说的
美国垃圾医疗把人整死谋财害命 跳芭蕾的周洁 东部的女教授 圣地亚哥金牌女 。。

一个也没有早期发现治病,都给耽误死了
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believeicanfly
俩人都是脑死亡,靠呼吸机维持生命。 死前都是心脏病发作。正好可以看看猪心脏是否能代替人心脏啊,
lhu2006 发表于 2022-07-12 15:30

靠呼吸机维持,说明是心脏不能跳动了,导致脑缺血死亡
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Inferno
那为啥还没脑子的胎儿就可以算生命呢?
既然有心跳就不能堕胎,怎么可以把有心跳的人杀死呢?
yemao 发表于 2022-07-12 15:47

看来还有一系列法令需要改
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chickenrib
亲属捐遗体做心脏移植实验了
Dida123 发表于 2022-07-12 15:29

这种情况,本人还能有痛感吗?还是说医学和法律上都认可脑死亡就是一个人真正死亡?
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Cumberbitch
回族啊
rose9999 发表于 2022-07-12 16:28

笑死了😂😂😂😂😂
请你去跟回族说一下猪是你们的神
看你被不被打死
这是回族认为最最最最最最侮辱的话了
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Cumberbitch
回复 10楼Cumberbitch的帖子
就是啊,都脑死亡了,还要猪心有什麽用。
happylifeafter 发表于 2022-07-12 21:35

科学实验啊 对这个人没用对后来的人有用啊
那小白鼠实验对小白鼠有什么用???
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strawberrykiwi
科学实验啊 对这个人没用对后来的人有用啊
那小白鼠实验对小白鼠有什么用???

Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-07-13 13:22

后代小白鼠不需要做这个实验了?🤓
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Cumberbitch
后代小白鼠不需要做这个实验了?🤓
strawberrykiwi 发表于 2022-07-13 13:32

看不懂你在问什么
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maomaopeng
其实这样的病人用来做心脏移植实验确实挺合适,但也有局限吧,毕竟静息状态的心脏功能和活动状态还差挺远的,但是这算猪心在人体实验的第一步,希望有一天真的能成功解决心脏问题
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strawberrykiwi
看不懂你在问什么
Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-07-13 13:35

看不懂就算了
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hualihu
‘Miracle’; WV man comes back to life after ‘officially deemed’ brain dead
https://myfox8.com/news/miracle-wv-man-comes-back-to-life-after-officially-deemed-brain-dead/
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hualihu
Another 'Brain Dead' Patient Wakes Up Just in Time
Anita Slomski DISCLOSURES October 16, 2018
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hualihu
Miraculous recovery for 13-year-old declared brain dead253,713 viewsMay 7, 2018
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hualihu
这么多回生的例子, 得多么邪恶的医生会拿brain death的人做实验。。。
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hualihu
Back from the dead: Three people thankful to be alive Their lives were rudely interrupted in dramatically different ways, from a lightning bolt to a heart attack to an ATV accident. One was declared brain dead; another was disconnected from life support to allow her to die; the third was in the deepest coma recognized by medical science.They all left something behind — a toll that must be paid by anyone who gets that close to death’s door — and
Nov. 26, 2008, 7:59 AM PST / Source: TODAY contributor By By Mike Celizic Their lives were rudely interrupted in dramatically different ways, from a lightning bolt to a heart attack to an ATV accident. One was declared brain dead; another was disconnected from life support to allow her to die; the third was in the deepest coma recognized by medical science. They all left something behind — a toll that must be paid by anyone who gets that close to death’s door — and they battle every day to regain what they had before fate disrupted their lives. Their days are more difficult, but at the same time more precious. But the thing that Lara Eustermann, Jill Finley and Zack Dunlap have most in common is that they’re very thankful to be alive this Thanksgiving. All three had told their dramatic stories on TODAY within weeks or months of their close encounters with death. Wednesday they returned to Studio 1A in New York to talk about how far they’ve come since.
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hualihu
Brain-dead California girl ordered kept on ventilator for week longer By Laila Kearney 5 MIN READ
OAKLAND, California (Reuters) - The family of a California girl who was declared brain dead after complications from a tonsillectomy won an 11th-hour court order on Monday requiring doctors to keep her connected to a breathing machine for at least another week.

The outside of Children's Hospital and Research Center is seen in Oakland, California, December 30, 2013. REUTERS/Norbert von der Groeben Under the latest court order in the case, doctors at Children’s Hospital and Research Center in Oakland are barred from taking 13-year-old Jahi McMath off a ventilator without her family’s consent before 5 p.m. local time on January 7, relatives and hospital officials said. The eight-day extension gives the girl’s relatives, who refuse to accept that she is beyond recovery, more time to complete arrangements to have her transferred to an extended-care facility. But Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evilio Grillo’s decision to extend the previous deadline set in his own restraining order of last week was intended to allow time for appellate review of the case, hospital officials said. “This is a tragedy that has been postponed for another week,” hospital spokesman Sam Singer told reporters outside the hospital after family members announced Monday’s ruling about an hour before Grillo’s original deadline was due to lapse. A person declared brain dead is considered legally and physiologically dead under California law, as is the case in many states, and the hospital’s own statements about Jahi have referred to her as deceased. ADVERTISEMENT
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Grillo acted as the family filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court on Monday asking a federal judge to intervene to keep Jahi connected to the machine that has kept her heart and lungs going for more than two weeks. The lawsuit claimed the hospital’s planned “removal of cardiopulmonary support over the objections” of the girl’s mother, and against her religious principles, amounts to an infringement of religious freedom and privacy rights under the U.S. Constitution. Grillo initially refused last week to extend his restraining order after two pediatric neurologists testified that Jahi had suffered an irreversible loss of all brain activity and was thus medically dead. SPINAL REFLEX OR SIGNS OF HOPE? Family members said they were seeking to have her moved to a licensed long-term treatment center in New York and had raised $20,000 in donations needed to pay for a cross-country airlift.

Slideshow ( 5 images ) Jahi’s grandmother Sandra Chatman, herself a registered nurse, told reporters outside the hospital Monday afternoon that the girl had started to move her legs and appeared to be responding to voices of loved ones around her. The girl’s uncle Omar Sealey also said Jahi was responding to her mother’s voice and touch and that he had video to prove it. “We have a pediatrician who has seen Jahi who has sworn that she is not dead,” Sealey told reporters. Hospital spokeswoman Melinda Krigel said it was not uncommon for spontaneous twitching or other body movements caused by spinal reflexes to occur in recently deceased individuals. The hospital has said it would not stand in the way of Jahi’s being moved to another facility. But officials there also refused last week to perform additional procedures that might be required, such as placing a tracheotomy and gastric tubes in her body before a transfer. As part of its request for federal court action on Monday, the family asked that the hospital be required to carry out those preparations. The hospital also has said it needs written assurances from a coroner that the transfer would be permitted.
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hualihu
Jahi McMath was a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead on December 12, 2013, after a hemorrhagic complication following complex oropharyngeal surgery. Her case gained international attention as her mother fought a legal battle to keep her on life support. Upon issuance of a death certificate shortly after the declaration of brain death, Jahi was transferred from California to New Jersey, where the law includes a religious exemption from the neurologic determination of death. There she became statutorily resurrected and was treated as a comatose, living patient for the next four and a half years. During that time, she underwent menarche and other aspects of puberty and developed intermittent responsiveness to commands, documented by eyewitness attestations and multiple home videos. Jahi died on June 18, 2018, from abdominal complications. This article summarizes her clinical history over those intervening years, taken directly from her medical records and personal observation. Her case represents an instance of a false-positive diagnosis of brain death, unquestionably made according to both the pediatric and adult guidelines, reinforced by four false-positive EEGs and a false-positive radionuclide blood flow test. The bioethical consequences of a nonnegligible risk of false-positive declaration of death are profound.