Politico 特意澄清之前的新闻 周五更正为：托马斯大法官说 COVID疫苗是胚胎关系 他只是引用了petition的话 可是印象已经产生了 轰动效应也有了 有兴趣的去查阅 我这里就实事求是说一下 Mess with Justice will mess up yourself. Politico issues correction after falsely claiming Clarence Thomas promoted COVID vaccine-aborted fetus theory On Friday, Politico issued a correction reading, "An earlier version of this report misattributed the claim that Covid-19 vaccines were ''''''''''''''''developed using cell lines derived from aborted children'''''''''''''''' to Thomas. The headline and article have been updated to directly state that Thomas was referencing petitioners’ claims." The headline was also changed to, "Clarence Thomas cites claim that Covid vaccines are ‘developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.''''''''''''''''"
Politico 特意澄清之前的新闻 周五更正为：托马斯大法官说 COVID疫苗是胚胎关系 他只是引用了petition的话 可是印象已经产生了 轰动效应也有了 有兴趣的去查阅 我这里就实事求是说一下 Mess with Justice will mess up yourself. Politico issues correction after falsely claiming Clarence Thomas promoted COVID vaccine-aborted fetus theory On Friday, Politico issued a correction reading, "An earlier version of this report misattributed the claim that Covid-19 vaccines were ''''''''''''''''developed using cell lines derived from aborted children'''''''''''''''' to Thomas. The headline and article have been updated to directly state that Thomas was referencing petitioners’ claims." The headline was also changed to, "Clarence Thomas cites claim that Covid vaccines are ‘developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.''''''''''''''''"
看下原文吧。保守派法官，对heath worker以宗教信仰原因 拒打疫苗的判决。 Thomas, citing the plaintiffs, wrote that the health care workers “object” to the state’s vaccine mandate “on religious grounds to all available COVID–19 vaccines because they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.” Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines early in their Covid vaccine development to test the efficacy of their formulas, as other vaccines have in the past. The fetal tissue used in these processes came from elective abortions that happened decades ago. But the cells have since replicated many times, so none of the original tissue is involved in the making of modern vaccines.
看下原文吧。保守派法官，对heath worker以宗教信仰原因 拒打疫苗的判决。 Thomas, citing the plaintiffs, wrote that the health care workers “object” to the state’s vaccine mandate “on religious grounds to all available COVID–19 vaccines because they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.” Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines early in their Covid vaccine development to test the efficacy of their formulas, as other vaccines have in the past. The fetal tissue used in these processes came from elective abortions that happened decades ago. But the cells have since replicated many times, so none of the original tissue is involved in the making of modern vaccines. brookeyang 发表于 2022-06-30 16:43
看下原文吧。保守派法官，对heath worker以宗教信仰原因 拒打疫苗的判决。 Thomas, citing the plaintiffs, wrote that the health care workers “object” to the state’s vaccine mandate “on religious grounds to all available COVID–19 vaccines because they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.” Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines early in their Covid vaccine development to test the efficacy of their formulas, as other vaccines have in the past. The fetal tissue used in these processes came from elective abortions that happened decades ago. But the cells have since replicated many times, so none of the original tissue is involved in the making of modern vaccines. brookeyang 发表于 2022-06-30 16:43
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? Answer from infectious disease expert and practicing Catholic James Lawler, MD No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. 大法官没说错话。
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? Answer from infectious disease expert and practicing Catholic James Lawler, MD No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. 大法官没说错话。 Dohremi 发表于 2022-06-30 16:51
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? Answer from infectious disease expert and practicing Catholic James Lawler, MD No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. 大法官没说错话。 Dohremi 发表于 2022-06-30 16:51
川粉胡搅蛮缠的手法太low used in testing 所有的抗癌药开发第一步，都是用几十年前癌症去世病人身上提取出来的海拉细胞做体外测试。 按照Thomas的逻辑，抗癌药都“包含黑女人的尸体细胞” ？ 蠢就是蠢，没得洗
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? Answer from infectious disease expert and practicing Catholic James Lawler, MD No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. 大法官没说错话。 Dohremi 发表于 2022-06-30 16:51
Thomas is discharged from hospital; court gives no details on diagnosis or treatment After nearly a week in the hospital, Justice Clarence Thomas was released on Friday morning, the Supreme Court announced. The court’s public information office did not provide any additional information about the health of the 73-year-old jurist. Thomas was hospitalized on the evening of Friday, March 18, with what the Supreme Court described as “flu-like symptoms,” and he was diagnosed with an “infection.” In a press release on Sunday night, the day before the justices were scheduled to take the bench for the start of the March argument session, the court indicated that Thomas was “resting comfortably” and expected to be released “in a day or two.” However, Thomas was not discharged until Friday morning, and the public information office did not respond to a question on Thursday seeking more details about the nature of Thomas’ infection. https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/03/thomas-is-discharged-from-hospital-court-gives-no-details-on-diagnosis-or-treatment/amp/
这个还是不能说明问题吧，如果他只是复述原告的意见，难道不应该说， They object on religious grounds to all available COVID-19 Vaccines because they believe they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.??? 这个文字是承认“they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.“是事实了。
这个还是不能说明问题吧，如果他只是复述原告的意见，难道不应该说， They object on religious grounds to all available COVID-19 Vaccines because they believe they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.??? 这个文字是承认“they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.“是事实了。 westlake 发表于 2022-06-30 18:01
的确如此，如果你继续往下看，他写的非常不清不楚。我本来觉得大法官总能把事说清楚吧，谁知道呢？ francis 发表于 2022-06-30 18:13
这个判决不是decide案子本身，而是决定是不是要take这个案子。 托马斯写： The Court could grant a petition that squarely presents the disputed question and consider it after full briefing, argument, and deliberation. 其实非专业的人怎么知道是不是用unborned children 胚胎细胞来做vaccine。 当然你可以说科学家新闻媒体都debunk了如何，但大法官不能说昨晚我看了CNN或Washington Post，那里的fact check说怎么样，所以我就怎么判吧。让大家的expert 证人来法庭作证， present自己的proof，才是高院应该做的事。 媒体的确是有瞎说的嫌疑。 比如NBC的新闻：In a sharply worded dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas expressed support Thursday for a debunked claim that all Covid vaccines are made with cells from “aborted children.” 我没有看出任何express的support来，大法官只不过复述原告的论点。我不认为加they believe有什么区别。硬说必须要加they believe 是吹毛求疵了。 如果这样，任何大法官复述都必须加上“they believe”， 不然就是同意原告观点？
这个判决不是decide案子本身，而是决定是不是要take这个案子。 托马斯写： The Court could grant a petition that squarely presents the disputed question and consider it after full briefing, argument, and deliberation. 其实非专业的人怎么知道是不是用unborned children 胚胎细胞来做vaccine。 当然你可以说科学家新闻媒体都debunk了如何，但大法官不能说昨晚我看了CNN或Washington Post，那里的fact check说怎么样，所以我就怎么判吧。让大家的expert 证人来法庭作证， present自己的proof，才是高院应该做的事。 媒体的确是有瞎说的嫌疑。 比如NBC的新闻：In a sharply worded dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas expressed support Thursday for a debunked claim that all Covid vaccines are made with cells from “aborted children.” 我没有看出任何express的support来，大法官只不过复述原告的论点。我不认为加they believe有什么区别。硬说必须要加they believe 是吹毛求疵了。 如果这样，任何大法官复述都必须加上“they believe”， 不然就是同意原告观点？ surge 发表于 2022-06-30 18:38
这个判决不是decide案子本身，而是决定是不是要take这个案子。 托马斯写： The Court could grant a petition that squarely presents the disputed question and consider it after full briefing, argument, and deliberation. 其实非专业的人怎么知道是不是用unborned children 胚胎细胞来做vaccine。 当然你可以说科学家新闻媒体都debunk了如何，但大法官不能说昨晚我看了CNN或Washington Post，那里的fact check说怎么样，所以我就怎么判吧。让大家的expert 证人来法庭作证， present自己的proof，才是高院应该做的事。 媒体的确是有瞎说的嫌疑。 比如NBC的新闻：In a sharply worded dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas expressed support Thursday for a debunked claim that all Covid vaccines are made with cells from “aborted children.” 我没有看出任何express的support来，大法官只不过复述原告的论点。我不认为加they believe有什么区别。硬说必须要加they believe 是吹毛求疵了。 如果这样，任何大法官复述都必须加上“they believe”， 不然就是同意原告观点？ surge 发表于 2022-06-30 18:38
The Kentucky Senator and Doctor grilled Dr. Tony Fauci on top doctors being compensated by the vaccine companies. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/rand-paul-brings-fire-grills-fauci-royalties-nih-research-doctors-received-vaccine-companies-video/
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现在主媒的伎俩就是先不负责任地造谣，等这一波传开了，再悄悄更正，但是伤害已经造成，或者说它们的目的已经达到了！特别没节操，让人完全不能相信
POLITICO网站已经做了更正说明 你们为何把这个错误的贴子继续挂在这里 而把连同错误贴子出处已经声明更改的贴子的正确信息 放到闲话2里？
如果之前是错误的，即便后面正确的有重复 从网站角度也是应该斟酌考虑的
Politico issues correction after falsely claiming Clarence Thomas promoted COVID vaccine-aborted fetus theory
On Friday, Politico issued a correction reading, "An earlier version of this report misattributed the claim that Covid-19 vaccines were ''''''''''''''''developed using cell lines derived from aborted children'''''''''''''''' to Thomas. The headline and article have been updated to directly state that Thomas was referencing petitioners’ claims." The headline was also changed to, "Clarence Thomas cites claim that Covid vaccines are ‘developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.''''''''''''''''"
关键词是“一些”，不是所有。区别太大了
🛋️ 沙发板凳
看来Q成为美国各种宗教的之一也不远了，然后老师带着学子们一起
这些低智商… 只有更低 没有最低
你这个思路好👍Thomas 然后必须缺席👍👍👍
能做到最高法，不懂下结论需要证据？
还有更蠢的人做到总统了呢。
不得不同意你的说法儿，这智商真是。。。取消AA 我 现在真没意见了
他是正常做到大法官的吗
高院需要改革。这个傻蛋占着茅坑不拉屎，一拉就臭不可闻。
卧槽 下一步制药公司都关门算了 细胞系也不能用了
谁给翻译一下。这是医护原告的说法吧？
Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?
Answer from infectious disease expert and practicing Catholic James Lawler, MD No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
大法官没说错话。
你知道washingtontime是连wikipedia都禁止引用的tabloid么？
没说不让研究，制药吧？是不想自己被强迫打。
P才没说错话，细胞系的概念都没有还出来开黄腔，真是无知愚昧至极
川粉胡搅蛮缠的手法太low
used in testing
所有的抗癌药开发第一步，都是用几十年前癌症去世病人身上提取出来的海拉细胞做体外测试。 按照Thomas的逻辑，抗癌药都“包含黑女人的尸体细胞” ？
蠢就是蠢，没得洗
废话，拿猪做测试的疫苗你敢用吗
貌似不需要，现在只要贴个图，或者是听说什么什么的，一群人就会像打了鸡血一样。
还是得宫颈癌去世的黑女人的细胞，你们居然拿来赚钱，有没有人性啊有没有人性！~~！
又没说不能用，但是人家有宗教信仰的人因为这个事实不愿意打疫苗有什么问题？不能因此就否认这个事实吧
你先搞清楚细胞系和actual来自胚胎的细胞的区别，再来评论这是不是事实吧
🤣🤣🤣
这帮sb在，美国准备倒退几十年吧
之前看新闻里面拉了个药品清单。这些人没有几个会因为宗教原因不吃止疼片和其他药的。
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Thomas 还有他老婆有种得病不用生物制剂。
所以保守派就不支持海拉细胞作为研究对象。虽然都繁殖了几亿代了。那么同理我们排泄的尿液粪便也有人类细胞进入了地球循环系统。那么我们是不是就不吃不喝了呢? 除非回到中世纪， 把大学烧了研究所砸了，否则这些人不会满意的 。压根不要考虑医疗和科学的进步了。直接无缝中世纪。
他们最好生病别治疗，回到中世纪最好也彻底一些。
有些人确实是老尔不死是为贼。
说话的人不一样啊。 一个不知名小辈发的贴不能和大法官比啊。 还是你说，不应该对大法官要求更高？
这个的确要去看大法官的原文，不然就被媒体糊弄了。 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-1143_3f14.pdf。 所以托马斯大法官只不过复述了一下原告的意见，而不是因为这个而dissent. 大家事实求是比较好
Thomas is discharged from hospital; court gives no details on diagnosis or treatment After nearly a week in the hospital, Justice Clarence Thomas was released on Friday morning, the Supreme Court announced. The court’s public information office did not provide any additional information about the health of the 73-year-old jurist. Thomas was hospitalized on the evening of Friday, March 18, with what the Supreme Court described as “flu-like symptoms,” and he was diagnosed with an “infection.” In a press release on Sunday night, the day before the justices were scheduled to take the bench for the start of the March argument session, the court indicated that Thomas was “resting comfortably” and expected to be released “in a day or two.” However, Thomas was not discharged until Friday morning, and the public information office did not respond to a question on Thursday seeking more details about the nature of Thomas’ infection. https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/03/thomas-is-discharged-from-hospital-court-gives-no-details-on-diagnosis-or-treatment/amp/
这个报纸有多烂，你不知道吗？
比washington post 还烂？ 还是说project veritas 是在造谣？
这个还是不能说明问题吧，如果他只是复述原告的意见，难道不应该说， They object on religious grounds to all available COVID-19 Vaccines because they believe they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.??? 这个文字是承认“they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.“是事实了。
的确如此，如果你继续往下看，他写的非常不清不楚。我本来觉得大法官总能把事说清楚吧，谁知道呢？
给你这么一说，我觉得今后用Hela cell line的 research 真的悬了
也不要太得意，华人中相信那些谣言的绝对不少。
好个P，都在开倒车比烂
中国的清瘟💊也不相上下嘛。好像还是国师推荐的吧。
这个判决不是decide案子本身，而是决定是不是要take这个案子。 托马斯写：
The Court could grant a petition that squarely presents the disputed question and consider it after full briefing, argument, and deliberation.
其实非专业的人怎么知道是不是用unborned children 胚胎细胞来做vaccine。 当然你可以说科学家新闻媒体都debunk了如何，但大法官不能说昨晚我看了CNN或Washington Post，那里的fact check说怎么样，所以我就怎么判吧。让大家的expert 证人来法庭作证， present自己的proof，才是高院应该做的事。
媒体的确是有瞎说的嫌疑。 比如NBC的新闻：In a sharply worded dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas expressed support Thursday for a debunked claim that all Covid vaccines are made with cells from “aborted children.”
我没有看出任何express的support来，大法官只不过复述原告的论点。我不认为加they believe有什么区别。硬说必须要加they believe 是吹毛求疵了。 如果这样，任何大法官复述都必须加上“they believe”， 不然就是同意原告观点？
我感觉看新闻的时候，有这种复述别人观点的时候都是说alleged belief，真没有这么直接说的，法律文字难道不严格比新闻报道更加严谨吗？
顺便说一句，看到是dessent我就放心了，他没得逞。
呵呵，我在这个案子本身也不站原告这方，那个unborn children 胚胎细胞的理由的确胡说八道。但的确觉得媒体把大法官妖魔花了，拼命抓他的把柄。 我有时间看看以前高院的判决，有没有加alleged belief或they believe的。
这人是aa进去的？
得癌了，心脏病了等等也不要做手求，解剖学知识是从解剖人体尸体得来的。
领导人很少有这么智障的。
至少 领导人再怎么也会打着科学治国的旗号，不会 说 they believe in science!
赞赏你的求证精神，摆事实讲道理。
这样断章取义带节奏的新闻媒体称它为fake news一点也不为过。媒体带风向都是有目的，我们会看到他们的用意的。
看看这个楼里，打了鸡血一样道听途说后开口就骂的人还真不少。
人类要是有这么先进的技术，还用怕火星人？
黑屌独裁，遍地是灾？
什么逻辑？一个是疫苗研制有流产掉的胎儿的tissue，一个是用解剖尸体得到的知识做手术，手术本身又不用到尸体的tissue。而且大部分解剖尸体是死后捐献，跟abortion杀死婴儿一样嘛？
你们川粉这么胡扯美国政治制度真的好么？大法官代表民意？？？？？
大法官supposedly是代表理性和宪法原则，驾驭民意不要脱缰，ok？
如果大法官都可以用“人无完人”为借口选一些民粹投机分子上去，这个制度就彻底烂掉了。
用在生产强生疫苗中。这句话你睁眼瞎了？
真的是 这运气挡都挡不住 美国一个个大傻出现
你知道你掉的头发皮屑都有你的全套genome嘛，都进下水道垃圾箱了
你如果用我的头发细胞做疫苗，未经我同意的话，我可以告死你。
用胚胎细胞实验的各种药物多了 有本事都不要用 不要只是针对疫苗
那个fetal cell line，细胞还经历了一个transformation 的过程。
如果因为这个fetal cell line而对疫苗有意见的人，能不能看看自己上面的几种药有没有吃过，先忏悔一下先。
能夠穩定分裂的 胚胎細胞跟癌細胞
这就是问题症结：选择性执行宗教信仰
吃阿司匹林、泰诺等等等等的时候完全不管有没有用 CELL LINE，毫无心理负担。
打疫苗的时候却唧唧歪歪突然想起自己的教徒身份了。
说白了，其实不过就是不想打疫苗，为此找了一个看上去冠冕堂皇（强词夺理）的理由而已。
今天google news上各大媒体都在报这个你随便搜一下
拜托了，生产和研发是一回事吗？搞清楚再喷吧。
川粉只读大纪元。
别的都是fake news。
道德问题才被弹劾。胡说八道至少有一半右右跳着脚喊对，弹劾不了