新批准的五岁以下疫苗的FDA自己的数据,眼见为实FDA的黑暗和腐败

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freys
楼主 (北美华人网)
隔壁有妈妈说娃爸非要给孩子打疫苗。看看吧!
Pfizer为6/15号的FDA meeting提交的文件: document for the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting on 6/15
https://www.fda.gov/media/159195/download
第六页复制过来的:
"Preliminary descriptive efficacy analyses ......In these analyses, three COVID-19 cases occurred in participants 6-23 months of age, with 1 COVID-19 case in the BNT162b2 group compared to 2 in the placebo group, corresponding to an estimated VE of 75.6% (95% CI: −369.1%, 99.6%), and 7 COVID-19 cases occurred in participants 2-4 years of age, with 2 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 5 in the placebo group, corresponding to an estimated VE of 82.4% (95% CI: −7.6%, 98.3%). In a combined analysis of both age groups, VE was 80.4% (95% CI: 14.1%, 96.7%) with 3 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 7 cases in the placebo group. ......"
就是说,80%的有效率,是基于第三针7天以后到报告截止的10个case计算的,打针组有3粒,对照组有7粒。完全忽视了试验过程中的740(!)个case。就问你服不服。下面表里可以看到从开打到最后每个时间点的case,疫苗组始终都有很多孩子感染,感染率和对照组不相上下(对照组人少),第一针到第二针之间直接是负有效率。最右边是有效率,括号里是confidence interval,每个数值都是从负数开始的,就是说,有有效率是负数的可能,如果真的是负的,那就是打了更可能传上。

还是第六页复制过来的。
"Among all COVID-19 cases accrued from Dose 1 through the data cutoff of April 29, 2022, 1 placebo recipient 6-23 months of age and 7 participants 2-4 years of age (6 BNT162b2 recipients and 1 placebo recipient) met the protocol- specified criteria for severe COVID-19 during both blinded and open-label follow-up. Only one of these severe COVID-19 cases (in a BNT162b2 recipient 99 days post-Dose 2) resulted in hospitalization......"
也就是说,疫苗组一共有6个孩子得了severe covid,对照组2个,疫苗组的6个里还有一个住院了。

打了还可能更容易传染,之后还可能更容易重症,之外还要承担长期副作用不明的风险,这打个毛线啊?


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meraviglia
FDA这些官员根本不敢得罪大药厂,他们干几年后到要去大药厂拿高薪呢。
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SheldonCooper
是的,他们slides里面highlight了80.3% efficacy,但是完全不显著。估计pfizer会后悔当初3微克的剂量
普罗旺斯的淡紫
样本太少了说明不了问题
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westlake
这个前几天讨论过一轮了,回去学习一下再来大惊小怪的断章取义吧
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bellamia
不用劝别人,LZ也没有义务给别人科普,到时候这一堆乱七八糟的人又要开始了。。。大家都对自己负责就好了
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bugmom
监管机构加政府都被大药厂买通,真是很可怕的事情。庆幸的是现在已经有不少医学院的教授和医生出来发声了,相信真相能慢慢被揭开。我疫情以来关注的几个youtube医生频道,去年年初猛推疫苗,恨不得要和不打针的人拼命的医生都慢慢改口了。看起来还是有希望的。 作为普通人,真的要注意健康饮食,多锻炼,少吃药,心理上过不去就看看中医,搞点吃不好也吃不死的中药自我安慰一下。
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tuer
谢谢MM我发给他仔细看看
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wielkacytryna
我统计比较差看不懂,谁能圈一下哪个是效率…
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bluepearl
我没有看这个报告,不过当时新闻出来的时候,看到Pfizer 只讲efficacy, 没讲是针对哪个变种的,就觉得不大对头了。Moderna 是报了对omicron 的有效性的,虽然不到40%,但至少在这一点上比Pfizer 诚实。我们全家都打了疫苗的,除了最小的年龄不够。
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pwwq
至少现在不用急着打了
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Seeking668
关于小孩疫苗,看看这个参院听证会视频
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/3ICBBK-d-C0?showinfo=0
乘物以游心
几个月以前公开的信息已经足够做判断了。
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wielkacytryna
关于小孩疫苗,看看这个参院听证会视频
系统提示:若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3ICBBK-d-C0?showinfo=0

Seeking668 发表于 2022-06-27 17:51


thanks,enjoyed seeing Fauci getting drilled this way
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SOSHELPPLZ
这个前几天讨论过一轮了,回去学习一下再来大惊小怪的断章取义吧
westlake 发表于 2022-06-27 17:19

前几天的讨论有链接吗?
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angelina81
这次我挺楼主,图表在39页
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angelina81
The estimated VE for the prevention of COVID-19 disease after Dose 1 in the all-available efficacy population is 14.0% (95% CI: -21.2%-38.3%) for participants 6-23 months of age and 32.6% (95% CI: 10.8%-48.8%) for participants 2-4 years of age
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CK
隔壁有妈妈说娃爸非要给孩子打疫苗。看看吧!
Pfizer为6/15号的FDA meeting提交的文件: document for the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting on 6/15
https://www.fda.gov/media/159195/download
第六页复制过来的:
"Preliminary descriptive efficacy analyses ......In these analyses, three COVID-19 cases occurred in participants 6-23 months of age, with 1 COVID-19 case in the BNT162b2 group compared to 2 in the placebo group, corresponding to an estimated VE of 75.6% (95% CI: −369.1%, 99.6%), and 7 COVID-19 cases occurred in participants 2-4 years of age, with 2 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 5 in the placebo group, corresponding to an estimated VE of 82.4% (95% CI: −7.6%, 98.3%). In a combined analysis of both age groups, VE was 80.4% (95% CI: 14.1%, 96.7%) with 3 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 7 cases in the placebo group. ......"
就是说,80%的有效率,是基于第三针7天以后到报告截止的10个case计算的,打针组有3粒,对照组有7粒。完全忽视了试验过程中的740(!)个case。就问你服不服。下面表里可以看到从开打到最后每个时间点的case,疫苗组始终都有很多孩子感染,感染率和对照组不相上下(对照组人少),第一针到第二针之间直接是负有效率。最右边是有效率,括号里是confidence interval,每个数值都是从负数开始的,就是说,有有效率是负数的可能,如果真的是负的,那就是打了更可能传上。

还是第六页复制过来的。
"Among all COVID-19 cases accrued from Dose 1 through the data cutoff of April 29, 2022, 1 placebo recipient 6-23 months of age and 7 participants 2-4 years of age (6 BNT162b2 recipients and 1 placebo recipient) met the protocol- specified criteria for severe COVID-19 during both blinded and open-label follow-up. Only one of these severe COVID-19 cases (in a BNT162b2 recipient 99 days post-Dose 2) resulted in hospitalization......"
也就是说,疫苗组一共有6个孩子得了severe covid,对照组2个,疫苗组的6个里还有一个住院了。

打了还可能更容易传染,之后还可能更容易重症,之外还要承担长期副作用不明的风险,这打个毛线啊?



freys 发表于 2022-06-27 17:08

这药厂也太黑了吧,简直了。。。。。
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Susanxian
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vitd120
以前5-11小孩的有效率,很短的时间就wane到12%,看看这回小小孩的三针能撑多久。。。
The vaccine''s efficacy against infection among those children declined to 12% at the end of January from 68% in mid-December compared to kids who did not get vaccinated
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majia648

Susanxian 发表于 2022-06-27 18:41

黑色幽默🥷
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bearcub
这个前几天讨论过一轮了,回去学习一下再来大惊小怪的断章取义吧
westlake 发表于 2022-06-27 17:19

前几天的讨论链接?能不能把结论,论点,论据都贴出来再来大惊小怪的说别人“大惊小怪的断章取义”啊?
幽幽寸草心
也就是半年前, 记得版上只有少数几个mm坚持疫苗有害, 被大多数人围攻, 扣上反科学的帽子, 恨不得对人家抽筋扒骨。 个别mm说出自己家孩子打针了却又感染了, 还不敢冒天下大不韪, 只能战战兢兢的说要是没打可能得进医院。对比今天大多数都看清楚了这些政府部门的黑暗和罪恶, 真是讽刺呀
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bearcub
家长们自己多听多看,权衡利弊,为自己孩子做出最informed decision肯定没坏处
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freys
也就是半年前, 记得版上只有少数几个mm坚持疫苗有害, 被大多数人围攻, 扣上反科学的帽子, 恨不得对人家抽筋扒骨。 个别mm说出自己家孩子打针了却又感染了, 还不敢冒天下大不韪, 只能战战兢兢的说要是没打可能得进医院。对比今天大多数都看清楚了这些政府部门的黑暗和罪恶, 真是讽刺呀
幽幽寸草心 发表于 2022-06-27 19:13

可以看看我以前的帖子。。。。。
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foxxpo
上次黑心钱就是普渡制药的阿片药了。
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hhxx89
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hjwang.lawine
Dr.Clare Craig分析FDA小娃实验针剂数据https://rumble.com/v18s66i-bombshell-dr.-clare-craig-exposes-how-pfizer-twisted-their-clinical-trial-d.html
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westlake
前几天的讨论有链接吗?
SOSHELPPLZ 发表于 2022-06-27 18:13

https://huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2818516&postid=93617915#93617915
这个帖子里小浣熊后面对这个数据有解读分析。当然,不信她说的,也别跟我争,我也没那个空跟你磨嘴皮子
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Susanxian
HORRORS Obama's FDA Purchased 'Fresh and Never Frozen' Aborted Baby Heads and Other Body Parts https://rumble.com/v1a5thn-horrors-obamas-fda-purchased-fresh-and-never-frozen-aborted-baby-heads-and-.html FDA是个什么组织?
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therealabcdefg
来。我来解释一下80% 是怎么来的。不要被不懂统计的人危言耸听。文章里面原话:
Preliminary descriptive efficacy analyses of COVID-19 cases occurring at least 7 days post- Dose 3 included 376 BNT162b2 recipients and 179 placebo recipients 6-23 months of age and 589 BNT162 recipients and 271 placebo recipients 2-4 years of age. In these analyses, three COVID-19 cases occurred in participants 6-23 months of age, with 1 COVID-19 case in the BNT162b2 group compared to 2 in the placebo group, corresponding to an estimated VE of 75.6% (95% CI: −369.1%, 99.6%), and 7 COVID-19 cases occurred in participants 2-4 years of age, with 2 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 5 in the placebo group, corresponding to an estimated VE of 82.4% (95% CI: −7.6%, 98.3%). In a combined analysis of both age groups, VE was 80.4% (95% CI: 14.1%, 96.7%) with 3 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 7 cases in the placebo group. Cases were accrued during February 2022 through April 2022, when the Omicron variant was prevalent in the United States. Among all COVID-19 cases accrued from Dose 1 through the data cutoff of April 29, 2022, 1 placebo recipient 6-23 months of age and 7 participants 2-4 years of age (6 BNT162b2 recipients and 1 placebo recipient) met the protocol- specified criteria for severe COVID-19 during both blinded and open-label follow-up. Only one of these severe COVID-19 cases (in a BNT162b2 recipient 99 days post-Dose 2) resulted in hospitalization, and the remainder met criteria for severe COVID-19 based on vital sign findings that were not clinically significant in the opinion of the investigator and FDA.

实验组总共965人,对照组总共450 人。 实验组有3个cases, 就是有3人得了covid。 所以实验组的中奖率是3/965 ,约为0.31%吧。 对照组有7人中奖,所以中奖率是7/450, 约为1.56%吧。 那么实验组的中奖率比对照组低了1.25%,因为1.56-0.31 =1.25呀。 那么相对于对照组,就得到疫苗的有效率了: 1.25/1.56, 约80%。 我这里是约,因为统计软件计算时,小数位更精确。
lz说80%只考虑了10个case是不正确的。 上面的计算还包括了covid 阴性的人。
薰衣草8

Susanxian 发表于 2022-06-27 18:41

爱说谎的世卫
薰衣草8
去年有良心的fda官员都集体辞职了,现在只有黑心的