还以为大家经过JOHNNY DEPP V. AMBER HEARD这一役能稍微了解一下左派标题党的战斗力，没想到还是有人不明所以，被媒体牵着鼻子走。 高院对 JOSEPH A. KENNEDY V. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT 判决书是这么写的，大家自行判断吧 Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters. He offered his prayers quietly while his students were otherwise occupied. Still, the Bremerton School District disciplined him anyway. 全文75页，链接如下 chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf
还以为大家经过JOHNNY DEPP V. AMBER HEARD这一役能稍微了解一下左派标题党的战斗力，没想到还是有人不明所以，被媒体牵着鼻子走。 高院对 JOSEPH A. KENNEDY V. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT 判决书是这么写的，大家自行判断吧 Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters. He offered his prayers quietly while his students were otherwise occupied. Still, the Bremerton School District disciplined him anyway. 全文75页，链接如下 chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf babyG 发表于 2022-06-27 16:16
公平不公平，要看你怎么看想关事实。您自个儿给的法庭文件，可以自个儿去看看dissenting opinion，里面说的很清楚： “To the degree the Court portrays petitioner Joseph Kennedy’s prayers as private and quiet, it misconstrues the facts. The record reveals that Kennedy had a longstanding practice of conducting demonstrative prayers on the 50- yard line of the football field. Kennedy consistently invited others to join his prayers and for years led student athletes in prayer at the same time and location. The Court ignores this history. ” 也就是说，小肯不是因为这一次孤立事件被开除的，而是长期的，进行"demonstrative prayers"，才导致学区这个决定。 当然您可以认为就算这样也不该开除他，但是，还是把事实摆清楚，不要把像您自个儿说的那样，用标题党的方式误导别人哦。。。
公平不公平，要看你怎么看想关事实。您自个儿给的法庭文件，可以自个儿去看看dissenting opinion，里面说的很清楚： “To the degree the Court portrays petitioner Joseph Kennedy’s prayers as private and quiet, it misconstrues the facts. The record reveals that Kennedy had a longstanding practice of conducting demonstrative prayers on the 50- yard line of the football field. Kennedy consistently invited others to join his prayers and for years led student athletes in prayer at the same time and location. The Court ignores this history. ” 也就是说，小肯不是因为这一次孤立事件被开除的，而是长期的，进行"demonstrative prayers"，才导致学区这个决定。 当然您可以认为就算这样也不该开除他，但是，还是把事实摆清楚，不要把像您自个儿说的那样，用标题党的方式误导别人哦。。。
VMC 发表于 2022-06-27 16:26
The Court''s majority opinion noted that Kennedy had "voluntarily discontinued the school tradition of locker-room prayers and his postgame religious talks to students," and that the school district only took action against him "only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his players after three games in October 2015." At the District’s request, he voluntarily discontinued the school tradition of locker-room prayers and his postgame religious talks to students. The District disciplined him only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his players after three games in October 2015." Gorsuch stated that not just the Constitution, but "the best of our traditions" call for "mutual respect and tolerance, not censorship and suppression, for religious and nonreligious views alike."
The Court''s majority opinion noted that Kennedy had "voluntarily discontinued the school tradition of locker-room prayers and his postgame religious talks to students," and that the school district only took action against him "only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his players after three games in October 2015." At the District’s request, he voluntarily discontinued the school tradition of locker-room prayers and his postgame religious talks to students. The District disciplined him only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his players after three games in October 2015." Gorsuch stated that not just the Constitution, but "the best of our traditions" call for "mutual respect and tolerance, not censorship and suppression, for religious and nonreligious views alike." 轻舟 发表于 2022-06-27 16:32
还以为大家经过JOHNNY DEPP V. AMBER HEARD这一役能稍微了解一下左派标题党的战斗力，没想到还是有人不明所以，被媒体牵着鼻子走。 高院对 JOSEPH A. KENNEDY V. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT 判决书是这么写的，大家自行判断吧 Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters. He offered his prayers quietly while his students were otherwise occupied. Still, the Bremerton School District disciplined him anyway. 全文75页，链接如下 chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf babyG 发表于 2022-06-27 16:16
还以为大家经过JOHNNY DEPP V. AMBER HEARD这一役能稍微了解一下左派标题党的战斗力，没想到还是有人不明所以，被媒体牵着鼻子走。 高院对 JOSEPH A. KENNEDY V. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT 判决书是这么写的，大家自行判断吧 Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters. He offered his prayers quietly while his students were otherwise occupied. Still, the Bremerton School District disciplined him anyway. 全文75页，链接如下 chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf babyG 发表于 2022-06-27 16:16
高院对 JOSEPH A. KENNEDY V. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT 判决书是这么写的，大家自行判断吧
Joseph Kennedy lost his job as a high school football coach because he knelt at midfield after games to offer a quiet prayer of thanks. Mr. Kennedy prayed during a period when school employees were free to speak with a friend, call for a reservation at a restaurant, check email, or attend to other personal matters. He offered his prayers quietly while his students were otherwise occupied. Still, the Bremerton School District disciplined him anyway.
全文75页，链接如下
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真有意思的联想，看网络几句话就盖帽子铁口直断了，你和你憎恨的某党某兵倒是很有异曲同工之妙，港真有个俗语东坡观佛印，经历环境智商修养全是自己言论暴露滴🤷♀️
你是不是没上过学，一般比赛和公校高中教头带众祈祷一回事？你是不是都是活在接近真空的教徒社会，吃饭前祷告我只见过教徒，我周围几乎没有，和中国球队聚众一圈一样，没人反对这个，这个和主楼的问题你是用啥逻辑联系上的？无神论也是宗教信徒的逻辑？LOL，选举里民主党和共和党的铁票基本不用看，主要看摇摆选众，投sanders转而投trump的那些就是这类人，另外我在地球，认真搞笑🤷♀️
假如我是队员，我又不是基督徒，我会很纠结。不跟着做，怕他以后给我穿小鞋，跟着做，这违背了自己的信仰。所以在工作场合不公开表达宗教信仰或是政治立场，就是为了避免有人被迫从众。他确实行为不当应该开除
那我支持你的cause
那当然了，否则SCOTUS说什么我们都得认命的话，lum v rice后我们华人就老老实实在黑人学校读书不要肖想去白人小孩的学校了
🛋️ 沙发板凳
yup
公平不公平，要看你怎么看想关事实。您自个儿给的法庭文件，可以自个儿去看看dissenting opinion，里面说的很清楚： “To the degree the Court portrays petitioner Joseph Kennedy’s prayers as private and quiet, it misconstrues the facts. The record reveals that Kennedy had a longstanding practice of conducting demonstrative prayers on the 50- yard line of the football field. Kennedy consistently invited others to join his prayers and for years led student athletes in prayer at the same time and location. The Court ignores this history. ”
也就是说，小肯不是因为这一次孤立事件被开除的，而是长期的，进行"demonstrative prayers"，才导致学区这个决定。
当然您可以认为就算这样也不该开除他，但是，还是把事实摆清楚，不要把像您自个儿说的那样，用标题党的方式误导别人哦。。。
我问你 你觉得无神论是不是一个宗教信仰
球场休息时间独自祷告？你肯定？
不是什么左媒，是右派媒体花街报上的照片(oped还有为教练辩护的，但起码不会睁眼说瞎话）
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-says-high-school-football-coach-can-pray-at-50-yard-line-11656339266
因为学校是public school，你作为员工自己一个人没问题，但即使是private company你老板在meeting结束的时候在那里公开这样做还没问题吗？你作为一个信仰不一致的人不会be offended吗？
The Court''s majority opinion noted that Kennedy had "voluntarily discontinued the school tradition of locker-room prayers and his postgame religious talks to students," and that the school district only took action against him "only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his players after three games in October 2015."
At the District’s request, he voluntarily discontinued the school tradition of locker-room prayers and his postgame religious talks to students. The District disciplined him only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his players after three games in October 2015."
Gorsuch stated that not just the Constitution, but "the best of our traditions" call for "mutual respect and tolerance, not censorship and suppression, for religious and nonreligious views alike."
你的重点错了
我不会觉得被offended 很多人觉得自己是无神论 上面几个小图你品品 如果你觉得会被别人practice自己的religion被offend到 你属于哪一个类型 你是不是强加于人的那一个
宗教信仰是个人的和上帝之间的连结。跟其他人没有一毛钱关系
在公众面前大秀特秀自己信仰的人。，跟露阴癖有什么区别？
话说美国新教徒应该特别了解这一点才对。你们新教就是为了解决“我信教不用通过神职人员传话”才诞生的。
也没看到那些老白男为他不平嘛～～
也还可以了 他现在是文化icon 你看了netflix的show了么？
你老板在meeting结束前公开祷告你不会觉得offended？那你可以试试看在论坛发传教贴看看大家接不接受。也太张口就来了吧。我不信你老板meeting时祷告你不会raise你的eyebrow
你看这个 你是有一个错误思维定势的 你每次都自己主动揽过去burden of proof 然而根本是你自己证明不了的东西 （因为是“我”的感受） 所以张口就来这个评论 你自己想想
无神论是的一个信仰群体 终于 我们这个贴里所有论点上 达成一致
谢谢这段时间的无休止的争论 彼此保重 过段时间再见
这个问题上显然存在争议（至少在大法官之间存在争议吧？）我没打算在这里争出个所以然来，毕竟，要比嘴皮子，咱怎么也比不过那些大法官们不是吗？
我只是说，楼主是标题党，把一个有争议的问题故意简化成对自己有利的内容，在标题上放出来，这个是很误导的哦。。。
所以public school以后是不是每节课开始之前老师都要lead prayers了？
怎么跳跃过去的呢？
我一开始就这么问的，怎么不回答了呢？公立老师是不是可以以后每堂课之前都lead prayer？
当然不是，宗教信仰的定义： the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods
Prayer能帮助有信仰的人集中精神不怕困难，为什么公校数学老师每节数学课前都带领学生祷告？
宗教忏悔能帮助有信仰的人纠正品行，为什么公校不专门设忏悔室神父让学生品行端正呢？
怎么不知道开除他的人不是同谋？就是接到投诉后故意以学区名义这样开除他，才好让他打官司
学区输了不等于开除他那个人本人有什么损失的
因为这以前有高院先有的判例吧。 不过这届高院是要打破一切自己看不惯的先例吧。好拼嗷。
这教练是每天祷告，还是重要球赛之前祷告? 如果是重要球赛之前祷告，在美国还挺正常的吧。火箭发射或者其他重要场合，都有看到集体祷告的。
独自 最大的问题不就是他不愿意独自吗
+1
刚好隔壁提到，我还是得感叹一下楼主的无耻和大胆。公开叫我们看判决书，谁知判决书第45页就有图有真相的对“独自祈祷”啪啪打脸，只是六位神棍法官面皮厚，对着这些证据也敢说“独自祈祷”而已
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf
黄左对blm打砸抢零元购假装看不见，自家孩子在小学里被教lgbtq各种性交姿势无所谓，升学被排挤甘之如饴，人家基督徒祷告一下不得了，如丧考妣。 真魔幻
已经开始了
可能基督徒的存在都是offending吧 对于他们
看着是那个意思 Abolish别人的宗教信仰 是中国 苏俄 和极端宗教国家常用的
susan sarandon？
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds
还有另外几个候选人
这个是exiting poll
+1
这种才是真正有信仰的
现在法律允许了 讲的就是这个
我觉得trump是中间那些摇摆派送进去滴
因为fbi最后关头说要调查希拉里。 很多人听了号召投了第三党
宗教自由包括不能干涉别人不信宗教和不履行宗教仪式的自由，作为教头在广场中间呼喊学生们一起祷告明显会给不想祷告的学生压力，他自己私下祷告甚至自己公开祷告没看到学校采取措施啊，谁在反他的宗教信仰自由了不成？🤷♀️
赞！也许我们错怪了保守派大法官
神棍 说的就是楼主这种
你爱你的宗教没问题， 毫无底线的扭曲事实坑蒙拐骗就是另外一个level
美国的政治还是可以agree to disagree的 也就是华语圈这样 没办法 我觉得是汉语本身的问题 high context语言 有话不能好好说 你看看这个楼里 有几个人能articulate的 都是rhetorics 说话都是怎么伤人怎么来
而且他想宗教+教育相结合也可以啊，这么多宗教私校随便去。公校就是不能在工作的时候exhibit religion没有侵犯任何人的宗教自由，这条规定本来就是为了保障所有人的自由。否则你这边祷告耶稣，人家那边念佛经，还有人跪默罕默德，打起来了怎么办
你是不是不看也不参与sports 赛前围圈say a prayer很多时候是泛宗教信仰的 中国队赛前也围一圈儿呢你觉得是向马克思祈祷么？ 你是不是也不出去吃饭 吃饭之前谢饭很多时候也是pan religion的 你人真的在美国么 你发言总觉得感觉隔着什么东西 投了3rd party的 帮不了trump 自己扔了自己的票而已 disgruntled democrats 投了trump的 帮了trump 这是有定论的
我觉得他们打不起来 倒是很多艰辛世界上没有神的共产主义者 能进来bb
我劝你自己调整一下 如果要在美国养孩子 以后会碰到无数次这样事情的 希望你到时候能勇敢站出来
心态不用调整，我小学就在某保守区欧洲读的 当时学校有宗教课，天主教一个班，基督教一个班，上课的老师就是我们班主任 我至今记得我跟另外一个小男孩是班里唯一不上课可以提前回家的，那种被孤立的感觉
私下场合大家互相容忍没毛病，我去朋友家人家也有饭前祷告的我跟着安静一分钟就是了 工作上如果有老板拿宗教天天施压，搞区别性对待肯定告HR，除了大神棍公司，大多数正经的上市公司肯定内部policy不允许来这个。 公共经费的政府衙门，学校什么的，都是要彻底世俗化，有事办事，宗教是下班后自己的私事 前几年因为宗教信仰公务员不肯给same sex marriage发证书，不是被炒作了一番吗，平心而论这不是极端宗教主义耍无赖这是什么
那您给我讲讲十字军东征 还有别的不说，你牵着狗去有清真寺街区，溜达一圈看看
你是金三胖的小学同学啊？ 那现在还信仰共产主义么？
这年头没在国内读小学有什么罕见的吗 就事说事，没必要没事互相挖苦，有修养的人就算酸柠檬了也是自己憋着不是满嘴喷粪
哪个年头？ 听你说话 感觉人得有五六十了 必须是洪晃之类的红二代吧 就问你还信仰共产主义么？ 你觉得你说话挺有品的么？ 没有言语间贬损有信仰的人？需要我给你引用一下回忆回忆？
说几千年的事儿有什么意思 有了照相机以后啊 很多谣言可以debunk 真好呢
这是公校，和一般比赛不一样。在私人公司，老板带头带着员工祷告，尽管我看不惯，而且有create hostile working environment 之嫌，这和在公校这么做还是不一样的。
前面还说别人rhetoric出口伤人，我看你不比谁差嘛
你当然可以有你的看法 但是这是一个court ruling 如果高级法院都说 这个coach这么做是okay了 还需要人民网络道德厅这样bash人家和持同样看法的人么？ 就觉得有bad actors在这里 夹带私货 这两天很多宣传共产党多么先进的
如果中间派太少，那中间的人就等着被来来往往的风 东一巴掌 西一巴掌打得转吧
yes i am very capable
这就好比杰斐逊说，all men are created equal， 而不是all men and women are born equal...
就抬杠说他反对evolution,外加歧视女性一样～～
我觉得这一波有bad actors在 生怕华人团结了 有投票影响力了 就很“共产”感
一针见血。 更何况God就一定是基督教的God吗？
当然不是 god可以是pokemon 我就要拜pokemon 因为谁有心理压力 就不妥了么 别拿纳税人 公共资金什么的说事儿 公共资金用的不妥的地方多多了 揪一个populist policy 完全属于自毁
一盘散沙，各有各的agenda其实是好事～～
为什么要团结？什么时候要团结？ 就像中国国歌里唱的那样，“中华民族到了最危险的时刻”， 这种时候才需要团结， 团结就意味着不得不放弃更多的自由，牺牲个体，去实现一个集体目标。
美国华人的确不团结，因为大家各自都混的挺好，没有抱团取暖的需要， 如果到了非团结不可的时刻，那才是大事不妙了～～
你这么说倒也是有道理的 那就算了 就这么散着吧 到时候再说 连asian hate都没起到这个作用 别的更不用说了
我这样说好像很阿Ｑ哦？
你看我被推送了这么一个新闻 周一congress woman grace meng发推特表示如果释放此人 居民会觉得不安 今天还是放了出来 https://www.worldjournal.com/wj/story/121382/6420526