山本五十六说过,I would never invade America. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass. 有枪不仅防本国敌人,还防外敌。剥夺公民拥枪权违宪又危险。 这次枪杀最失职的是FBI和当地警察。FBI几年前就收到预警,玩忽职守眼睁睁令灾难发生。应该defund FBI。
室外的 https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/agency-dead-injured-oklahoma-festival-shooting-85052816 Agency: 1 dead, 7 injured in Oklahoma festival shooting Authorities say one person was killed and seven were injured in a shooting early Sunday at an outdoor festival in eastern Oklahoma
提议了,gop给blocked了 On January 16, 2013, one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Obama signed 23 executive orders and outlined a series of sweeping proposals regarding gun control.[225] He urged Congress to reintroduce an expired ban on military-style assault weapons, such as those used in several recent mass shootings, impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds, introduce background checks on all gun sales, pass a ban on possession and sale of armor-piercing bullets, introduce harsher penalties for gun-traffickers, especially unlicensed dealers who buy arms for criminals and approving the appointment of the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for the first time since 2006.[226] On January 5, 2016, Obama announced new executive actions extending background check requirements to more gun sellers.[227] In a 2016 editorial in The New York Times, Obama compared the struggle for what he termed "common-sense gun reform" to women's suffrage and other civil rights movements in American history.[228]
In the years since Sandy Hook, the debate around gun control has been reignited and has waned again, as efforts by lawmakers have been repeatedly blocked by a large majority of Republicans who believe restrictions won't do much to stop mass shootings but would only limit Americans' freedom. Obama called it "a pretty shameful day for Washington." https://www.newsweek.com/congress-has-not-passed-any-gun-control-legislation-since-sandy-hook-1709913?amp=1
提议了,gop给blocked了 On January 16, 2013, one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Obama signed 23 executive orders and outlined a series of sweeping proposals regarding gun control.[225] He urged Congress to reintroduce an expired ban on military-style assault weapons, such as those used in several recent mass shootings, impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds, introduce background checks on all gun sales, pass a ban on possession and sale of armor-piercing bullets, introduce harsher penalties for gun-traffickers, especially unlicensed dealers who buy arms for criminals and approving the appointment of the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for the first time since 2006.[226] On January 5, 2016, Obama announced new executive actions extending background check requirements to more gun sellers.[227] In a 2016 editorial in The New York Times, Obama compared the struggle for what he termed "common-sense gun reform" to women''s suffrage and other civil rights movements in American history.[228]
In the years since Sandy Hook, the debate around gun control has been reignited and has waned again, as efforts by lawmakers have been repeatedly blocked by a large majority of Republicans who believe restrictions won''t do much to stop mass shootings but would only limit Americans'' freedom. Obama called it "a pretty shameful day for Washington." https://www.newsweek.com/congress-has-not-passed-any-gun-control-legislation-since-sandy-hook-1709913?amp=1 落地无声 发表于 2022-05-29 16:49
很多人没搞清楚这个修正案,不是提案,到底怎么回事。 这是一个修正案,内容不是拨款,而是把教育拨款的一部分用于保安。那么钱从哪里来的呢?从ESEA来。ESEA是什么呢,是个法律,规定教育拨款的一定比例用于学习困难,低收入,移民等等跟不上学习的人,让他们能够赶上普通人。Ted是不会增加政府开支的,只是拆东墙(低收入教育拨款)而已,民主党当然反对。你如果没事看看cspan就知道了,国会这种标题党议案,提案,修正案无数。只是为了吸引眼球而已。 ESEA authorizes state-run programs for eligible schools and districts eager to raise the academic achievement of struggling learners and address the complex challenges that arise for students who live with disability, mobility problems, learning difficulties, poverty, or transience, or who need to learn English.
我👏 bump stock ban。 但是说他比较困难veto我不是非常同意(这里有个list https://www.senate.gov/legislative/vetoes/TrumpDJ.htm,看谷歌好像4年veto了10次) The following day, the House passed the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019, a bill that sought to close the so-called “Charleston Loophole” by extending the window for completing a background check from three to 10 business days. In a policy statement, the administration signaled that Trump would veto both bills if they ever passed. The statement said the Bipartisan Background Checks Act “would impose burdensome requirements on certain firearm transactions.” According to the statement, the bill “would require that certain transfers, loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a federally licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer of firearms” and “would therefore impose permanent record-keeping requirements and limitless fees on these everyday transactions.”
很多人没搞清楚这个修正案,不是提案,到底怎么回事。 这是一个修正案,内容不是拨款,而是把教育拨款的一部分用于保安。那么钱从哪里来的呢?从ESEA来。ESEA是什么呢,是个法律,规定教育拨款的一定比例用于学习困难,低收入,移民等等跟不上学习的人,让他们能够赶上普通人。Ted是不会增加政府开支的,只是拆东墙(低收入教育拨款)而已,民主党当然反对。你如果没事看看cspan就知道了,国会这种标题党议案,提案,修正案无数。只是为了吸引眼球而已。 ESEA authorizes state-run programs for eligible schools and districts eager to raise the academic achievement of struggling learners and address the complex challenges that arise for students who live with disability, mobility problems, learning difficulties, poverty, or transience, or who need to learn English. steve888 发表于 2022-05-29 18:21
很多人没搞清楚这个修正案,不是提案,到底怎么回事。 这是一个修正案,内容不是拨款,而是把教育拨款的一部分用于保安。那么钱从哪里来的呢?从ESEA来。ESEA是什么呢,是个法律,规定教育拨款的一定比例用于学习困难,低收入,移民等等跟不上学习的人,让他们能够赶上普通人。Ted是不会增加政府开支的,只是拆东墙(低收入教育拨款)而已,民主党当然反对。你如果没事看看cspan就知道了,国会这种标题党议案,提案,修正案无数。只是为了吸引眼球而已。 ESEA authorizes state-run programs for eligible schools and districts eager to raise the academic achievement of struggling learners and address the complex challenges that arise for students who live with disability, mobility problems, learning difficulties, poverty, or transience, or who need to learn English. steve888 发表于 2022-05-29 18:21
LA Riots, 韩国社区反思的结果,不是买更多更强大的枪,而是要在社会生活的各个方面站出来,提高自己社区的领导力和visibility. 现在看来他们做的不错。 前面有人问韩裔写的书,这里有两本:Steph Cha's book is Your House Will Pay. John Cho's book, written for middle grade readers, is called Troublemaker。 电影可以看PBS 拍的Asian American, 四集记录片,其中一集是集中刻画LA 暴动的。
韩国老板娘肯定被偷过被欺负过很多次,不过这件事本身她不见得占理吧。如果我没偷东西被人这样对待估计也很恼火 - 那个外交官华人太太在韩国扇店员耳光类似情况。 After speaking with the two eyewitnesses present and viewing the videotape of the incident, recorded by a store security camera, the police concluded that Harlins intended to pay for the beverage with money in hand.[14][15] The videotape[16]showed that Du grabbed Harlins by her sweater and snatched her backpack. Harlins then struck Du with her fist twice, knocking Du to the ground. 目击人可以做假,但是录像应该是真实情况。
Ted Cruz 说话很有水平,BLM闹的欢的时候他说话很解气,希望哪天能出来选总统。
我本人没有枪,支持有限度的控枪。不过大家看过当年LA Korean town 那场枪战吗?黑人一堆堆的带枪进攻韩国城,韩国人很多是当兵出身,拿着武器打退了黑人。如果只能上手枪点射,是打不了的。 墨西哥有严格的控枪法律,可是大家都知道,那里枪支犯罪太厉害了,毒贩的武器比政府的还厉害。毒品能大量走私入美国,武器也可以。 所以我觉得最重要的还是law and order,border control, 对犯罪严惩,加强background check。这些还是要靠共和党。民主党放一堆非法移民养一堆喜欢犯罪的,这些人就是黑枪的市场,怎么控枪加强background check都没有用。
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不是不报日子未到。
嗯你和他智商和良知水平差不多
没有围墙
🛋️ 沙发板凳
把学校办在监狱里,这样安全了么?
也不要小看大妈的力量
每次都这样,一说到要控枪, GOP总会推出这种蠢不可及的提案来捣糨糊, 胡乱闹一通,控枪也就没人提了。
别混淆是非了。
在枪支问题上,共和党没得洗 在反亚裔问题上,共和党没得洗 在乱搞政治正确问题上,民主党没得洗 在教育歧视亚裔上,民主党没得洗
现在的选举,就是两坨屎中间,让你选一坨更香的
你不了解LA riot, 黑人暴动打砸韩国城主要是放火抢劫,根本没有一堆堆“黑人带枪”,有枪的那是个别的,否则也不会被几个持枪的韩国人自卫队打退。但是靠枪根本挡不住人多,大部分的韩国城还是损失惨重。
当时的警察在贝佛利山之类的高档白人社区门口密集部署,韩国城火光冲天,警察一个也不来。黑人的暴动本来就是被警察爆揍黑人的录像给激起来的,加上韩国店老板娘击毙黑人小女孩量刑太轻。
你看有韩国人出来高调反对BLM 吗?没有,因为人家经过了这个惨痛的经历,知道被煽动得底层人民互殴,吃亏的是亚裔这种人口绝对少数的。
枪不能保护少数族裔,要在政治上下功夫。
这次枪杀最失职的是FBI和当地警察。FBI几年前就收到预警,玩忽职守眼睁睁令灾难发生。应该defund FBI。
韩国人绝对站黑人
还要不要再派两个警察监督那两个安全警察?否则安全警察突然发神经,没有风吹草动就要把学生或者老师撂倒怎么办
开什么玩笑?谁敢高调出来反对BLM?现在美国搞得跟文革似的,就因为没出来反对你就断定她他们特别理解特别支持?完全不认同
哈哈哈 说的对。 一边卖矛,一边卖盾, 给美国所有的教室装上防弹玻璃,还要安检?让所有老师,学生都带枪去上学?校车改用装甲车? 由这个骗子自己出钱吗? 哦,是要跟fed要钱啊?
用我妈的话说,吃了灯芯草,放些轻巧屁。
我来到这个土地不是担惊受怕的。 我支持加强枪支管理,而不是 这个骗子说鼓吹的全民拿枪。
赞头脑清晰
提一些根本不可能过天价提案,搅搅浑水,然后双手一摊说,瞧,我努力过了,是他们不批嘛,我有什么办法。这些套路建议大家多学学,是一个厚颜无耻者走上人生巅峰的必修课
呵呵呵,花时间读韩裔美国人写的书拍的电影,了解他们对LA riot 的反省,对年轻人有好处。
赞同此层发言。这里的两党派铁粉们这几天吵得真欢,看着头疼。 现实就是一个比烂,摆烂的世界。 补充几点,共和党为枪支泛滥背书,盯着女人的子宫大做文章,这些都是为了票仓。 同样民主党也在养盅培育票仓,毒品泛滥,把大麻店开到学校门口。支持零购物,一元bail纵容犯罪,玩catch release 游戏。两边在比谁更没有底线,谁更无耻。 这个世界,想过正常的日子,怎么那么难?
精辟
我期待第三党杀出来,那两坨为何还要碰。
对啊,德州先搞起来,给全美做个样板。
还有舔ted cruz的。 真是叹为观止
书名?电影名?
隔壁楼里还在散布obama不在美国出生的谣言,这里一个出生于加拿大的,要他再出来竞选总统。
室外的
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/agency-dead-injured-oklahoma-festival-shooting-85052816 Agency: 1 dead, 7 injured in Oklahoma festival shooting Authorities say one person was killed and seven were injured in a shooting early Sunday at an outdoor festival in eastern Oklahoma
嗯, 持枪问题上支持狗屁党就是谋杀帮凶。
这次中期选举会不会出现奇迹, 民主党反转? 当然, 民主党也是一堆狗屎。至少现在比狗屁党香一点。 😄😄😄😄
当时奥黑在台上的时候, 估计光抓医保去了, 没有及时把控枪案通过。 控枪案通过了, 高院应该不会说违宪吧? 不过现在很难说, 高院也按党派走了, 没什么信用。
其实对华人来说,中美也是两坨
关键看各位大妈在哪个州
提议了,gop给blocked了
On January 16, 2013, one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Obama signed 23 executive orders and outlined a series of sweeping proposals regarding gun control.[225] He urged Congress to reintroduce an expired ban on military-style assault weapons, such as those used in several recent mass shootings, impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds, introduce background checks on all gun sales, pass a ban on possession and sale of armor-piercing bullets, introduce harsher penalties for gun-traffickers, especially unlicensed dealers who buy arms for criminals and approving the appointment of the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for the first time since 2006.[226] On January 5, 2016, Obama announced new executive actions extending background check requirements to more gun sellers.[227] In a 2016 editorial in The New York Times, Obama compared the struggle for what he termed "common-sense gun reform" to women's suffrage and other civil rights movements in American history.[228]
In the years since Sandy Hook, the debate around gun control has been reignited and has waned again, as efforts by lawmakers have been repeatedly blocked by a large majority of Republicans who believe restrictions won't do much to stop mass shootings but would only limit Americans' freedom.
Obama called it "a pretty shameful day for Washington."
https://www.newsweek.com/congress-has-not-passed-any-gun-control-legislation-since-sandy-hook-1709913?amp=1
去查一下吧,Sandy Hook之后有没有控枪的提案,是哪个混蛋党投反对票没有通过的?
换个方向:你希望你孩子上课的时候,老师腰间挂着手枪么?
赞同此层发言。
还有舔ted cruz的。 真是叹为观止 hahahaha
然后
有的obama的控枪法案,也被trump废弃了。可以说自己有mental issue拿政府福利,但是不妨碍自己可以买枪。
主要还是因为gop base智商不行太好糊弄了
黄右愿意
这些历史黄右哪里懂
gop甩锅从来一流
所以又继续控枪 然后又难以为续 然后又继续循环
于是倒霉的还是百姓
为什么政见不同的 就要被无证据地嘲笑 这是中国人一直以来的习惯吗? 还是文革的延续?
中国的历朝科举也是讲究个论点论据 以此论状元探花 欧美的现代法律也是如此 怎么到了现代的美国 还有人要继续红袖章?
奥巴马是不是出生在美国 由他自己说了为准 现在再追究这些没有意义 历史也是成败论英雄
这位大妈(姐)你能不能少用点反问句,质问(审问?)的感觉太强,不像是在讨论问题。我还挺赞同你的一些观点的,和那个bxxxxx,虽然你们立场不同。当然这都是你的自由,我管不着。
隔壁那位大姐和点赞她的好像没放下 他自己说的为准?
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这不是普通的政见不同吧, 没有半点 common sense, 强词夺理, 阻挠最基本的法律通过?
这是有组织的谋杀还差不多。
因为只有用socratic方式才能把问题讲清楚 让对方自己发现自己的问题所在啊 否则你也会被绕进去一团混乱
ted cruz一把一把的言论到处都有,舔他的被鄙视是没有证据?
当然你也可以说你那叫支持不叫舔。那是你的观点。在我看来就是舔。
大哥 这个控枪如果能通过 我简直要叹为观止
控枪问题已经讨论了无数次 枪支问题 有历史,有法律,有社会,有种族,有背后资本,有家族,有国家策略 纠缠了很多很多 不是我们想得那么容易
最终 枪支问题只能被用来作为政治选票的工具
再说下去 如果社会稳定人民富足 控枪和不控枪就不是个突出问题 如果社会不稳定 控枪能不能控就是个突出问题
你同意不同意?
这个是参议院众议院都通过了的,指望他veto 吗?估计比较困难。 Trump还是做了一点事情的,比如说在Vegas shooting 以后ban了 Bump Stock。这个网站好像比较中立:https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
这个我也同意(除了年龄还可以再商量)。进一步的控枪需要一个安全的环境。可是刚刚看到民主党的这个新闻,威胁学校的学生不需要被report: https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/27/california-votes-mandatory-reporting-students-threaten-schools-aclu/ 感觉现在就是民主党把治安搞得越来越乱,大家没有安全感,只能靠向枪枝。
我👏 bump stock ban。 但是说他比较困难veto我不是非常同意(这里有个list https://www.senate.gov/legislative/vetoes/TrumpDJ.htm,看谷歌好像4年veto了10次) The following day, the House passed the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019, a bill that sought to close the so-called “Charleston Loophole” by extending the window for completing a background check from three to 10 business days. In a policy statement, the administration signaled that Trump would veto both bills if they ever passed. The statement said the Bipartisan Background Checks Act “would impose burdensome requirements on certain firearm transactions.” According to the statement, the bill “would require that certain transfers, loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a federally licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer of firearms” and “would therefore impose permanent record-keeping requirements and limitless fees on these everyday transactions.”
每一次革命 都是从学生开始的
警察现在名声已经完了 现在论到教授教员了吗?
什么人不好支持 支持白痴一样的Ted 这次的屠杀 你说说看那样玩意能管用? 是防弹门窗 还是校警?
反对的就是他的愚蠢修正案 把教室修成监狱能帮助到小孩保命吗? 到时候警察更进不去教室解救小孩了
什么狗屁逻辑?国内有枪吗?和你国内共相似的是民主党吧?
别的不说,就说你举的这两个例子,都是事实,都不是真正的事实,都是剪掉了黑人罪犯作恶的部分,强化了他们因为作恶反噬到自身的恶果,“警察爆揍黑人的录像”, “韩国店老板娘击毙黑人小女孩量刑太轻”。四个警察为什么爆揍这个人?他假释期间酒后在高速上以120迈的速度飙车,动用20多辆警车和一架直升飞机堵截,他暴力拘捕,并且隔空调戏女警,四名警察用电棍两击都无法制服这个6尺3寸250磅的彪形大汉,然后才使用警棍击打50多次,他敏捷地躲过一半,最终求饶,如此混战之后才将他按倒在地。整个过程被拍摄81秒,被恶意剪接为62秒,在电视台播放。老板娘杀了人为什么没有被重判?你称为的小女孩,15岁,身高5尺10寸,体重是50岁老板娘的两倍,她偷东西被发现后痛击老板娘三大拳将之打翻在地,老板娘不肯受辱,从柜台里翻出手枪一米外击中这个女孩头部。黑人社区拒绝自省,大环境鼓励他们强化受害者思维,92年洛杉矶暴乱以来,黑人的境况是改善了,还是更加恶化了?
除了Owens那样极少数理性的黑人,绝大部分黑人领袖,奥巴马、BLM领导人,外在的表现都是煽动暴乱、强化受害者标签,客观结果却都是实现了自身的阶级跨越,离开了黑人社区。黑人社区持续危险贫困就是他们进一步积累个人财富和阶级跃升的最好资源。
你明顯小看了突擊步槍和戰鬥步槍的威力,配合大容量彈匣彈鼓,幾個人幾桿槍就可以封鎖一個路口,對方如果只有手槍的話,幾百個人都衝不進來。暴民零元購更沒有任何機會。
这正是gop希望的 大家教育水平上去大概率就番蓝了 至于有人同情铁锈带的人 说实话我也同情 但是让铁锈带的人不能catch up的原因 gop自己最清楚
前面有人问韩裔写的书,这里有两本:Steph Cha's book is Your House Will Pay. John Cho's book, written for middle grade readers, is called Troublemaker。
电影可以看PBS 拍的Asian American, 四集记录片,其中一集是集中刻画LA 暴动的。
韩国老板娘肯定被偷过被欺负过很多次,不过这件事本身她不见得占理吧。如果我没偷东西被人这样对待估计也很恼火 - 那个外交官华人太太在韩国扇店员耳光类似情况。
After speaking with the two eyewitnesses present and viewing the videotape of the incident, recorded by a store security camera, the police concluded that Harlins intended to pay for the beverage with money in hand.[14][15] The videotape[16]showed that Du grabbed Harlins by her sweater and snatched her backpack. Harlins then struck Du with her fist twice, knocking Du to the ground.
目击人可以做假,但是录像应该是真实情况。
枪不能保护少数族裔,但是梦想煽动黑人暴动的左派政客来保护,更是缘木求鱼了
这一幕零元购在两年前遍及全国范围地重现时,有个流传广泛的视频,一个黑大妈也打算去空手添置点家用,一路自拍,沿着店铺开过去,都是门口持半自动步枪的自卫者,她一边骂一边黯然收手。不知出于何种目的,自己把视频放到网上。
一边是犯罪成本越来越低,DA把罪犯关怀得无微不至,另一边是平民禁枪,defund police。警察如何裁剪,富人区和奥巴马家门口也是少不了的。
现在最可行的就是严格background check。
支持Ted! 这里很多极左的,甚至廊坊来的,代表不了大多数勤恳工作的普通中产的心声
反之腐败横行的国家,支持率超过85%稀松平常
专制独裁效率高,只要元首认为禁枪对就马上办理。
哈哈 火眼金睛
可以。人们都说,用脚投票就好了。不喜欢这里你可以走人。
我每次看到这种言论都好火大。为什么不能解决问题,只能走路?
现在明白了吧。民主只是一个出气筒,这边不好选那边,那边不好选这边,两边都觉得不好,就闭嘴或者滚蛋。这样绝大多数人就不会想造反了。
总体来说,美国还是相对好一些的。但是这制度的问题现在才刚刚开始,族裔冲突,毒品泛滥,枪支暴力这些方面。能不能控制住,显示出制度自愈的能力,还不好说。