我们每年的FSA都是从一个人的工资里contribute 5000,一直是把单据交上去,公司就会返还税前5000。以前都没管turbotax里面这项,默认那部分不扣税。 今年我在turbotax的“you and your family”点击"child and dependent care credit“,回答几个问题以后,turbotax让我输入child care的expenses,我填了我们小小孩去年的金额,$365,发现要交的税少了一些。在最后的your child and dependent care credit summary里,eligible dependent care expenses是$5000, dependent care benefits from your w-2 or business schedules 是 -$5000,expenses eligible for credit是$0,credit percentage是0%(因为365 < 5000),最后的your child and dependent care credit仍是$0,但dependent care benefits you must pay taxes on是$4635,请见附图。 敢情turbotax一直在给这5000扣税吗,不然为什么我输入$365以后税变少了,还显示另外$4635要交税? 可是从工资contribute的5000不应该默认不交税吗? turbotax是把那5000算入taxable income了吗?我需要把另外那$4635也报了吗?
谢谢,我只输入了老二forest school的费用,他去年没有上daycare。老大的学校tuition,turbotax写了不让报,只让报以下几项: Include 2021 amounts paid to: - Babysitters - Daycare facilities - After-school programs - Nursery schools - Preschools - Day camps - Certain household services Do not include: - Medical Expenses - Tuition costs for kindergarten - Private schools (except preschools) - Overnight camps - Summer schools - Tutoring programs - Child support payments - Expenses incurred in 2020 - 2022 Expenses you prepaid in 2021 - Expenses you paid in 2022 even if they were for 2021 看来这$4635真的被turbotax收税了?
我们每年的FSA都是从一个人的工资里contribute 5000,一直是把单据交上去,公司就会返还税前5000。以前都没管turbotax里面这项,默认那部分不扣税。 今年我在turbotax的“you and your family”点击"child and dependent care credit“,回答几个问题以后,turbotax让我输入child care的expenses,我填了我们小小孩去年的金额,$365,发现要交的税少了一些。在最后的your child and dependent care credit summary里,eligible dependent care expenses是$5000, dependent care benefits from your w-2 or business schedules 是 -$5000,expenses eligible for credit是$0,credit percentage是0%(因为365 < 5000),最后的your child and dependent care credit仍是$0,但dependent care benefits you must pay taxes on是$4635,请见附图。 敢情turbotax一直在给这5000扣税吗,不然为什么我输入$365以后税变少了,还显示另外$4635要交税? 可是从工资contribute的5000不应该默认不交税吗? turbotax是把那5000算入taxable income了吗?我需要把另外那$4635也报了吗?
ostrakon 发表于 2022-04-15 12:31
所以你去年只花了300多的child care expense?那你contribute的5000不是拿不回来了?
我的form 2441上,好像是只有$365不用交税,line 1里填365的话,line 26的qualified expenses for the care of the qualifying persons是365,line 26写的taxable benefits是4635,我再去看看form 1040。
The IRS has outlined the following items as not being eligible for tax-free purposes using Dependent Care FSA funds, including: Expenses for non-disabled children 13 and older Educational expenses including kindergarten, or private school tuition fees Payment for services that are not primarily for the care and wellbeing of a child (e.g. virtual or online day camps or classes) Amounts paid for food, clothing, sports lessons, field trips, or entertainment Overnight camp expenses Registration fees Transportation expenses not charged by your provider for the purpose of getting to and/or from the site of care Late payment fees Payment for services not yet provided (payment in advance) Medical care Eligible expenses include: Before school or after school care (other than tuition) Qualifying custodial care for dependent adults Licensed day care centers Nursery schools or pre-schools Placement fees for a dependent care provider, such as an au pair Child care at a day camp, nursery school, or by a private sitter Late pick-up fees Summer or holiday day camps
dependent care FSA 没用完的部分转到下一年这只是2020年的政策吧,2021年没用完的不能转了。 Temporary special rules for dependent care flexible spending arrangements (FSAs). Section 214 of the Taxpayer Certainty and Disaster Tax Relief Act of 2020 provides temporary COVID-19 relief for dependent care FSAs. This legislation allows employers to amend their dependent care plan to allow unused amounts to be used in a subsequent year. It also allows employers to amend their dependent care plan to allow participants to use amounts in a subsequent year if a dependent turned age 13 before the funds were used. Unused amounts from 2020 are added to the maximum amount of dependent care benefits that are allowed for 2021.
今年我在turbotax的“you and your family”点击"child and dependent care credit“,回答几个问题以后,turbotax让我输入child care的expenses,我填了我们小小孩去年的金额,$365,发现要交的税少了一些。在最后的your child and dependent care credit summary里,eligible dependent care expenses是$5000, dependent care benefits from your w-2 or business schedules 是 -$5000,expenses eligible for credit是$0,credit percentage是0%(因为365 < 5000),最后的your child and dependent care credit仍是$0,但dependent care benefits you must pay taxes on是$4635,请见附图。
敢情turbotax一直在给这5000扣税吗,不然为什么我输入$365以后税变少了,还显示另外$4635要交税? 可是从工资contribute的5000不应该默认不交税吗? turbotax是把那5000算入taxable income了吗?我需要把另外那$4635也报了吗?
谢谢,我只输入了老二forest school的费用,他去年没有上daycare。老大的学校tuition,turbotax写了不让报,只让报以下几项: Include 2021 amounts paid to: - Babysitters - Daycare facilities - After-school programs - Nursery schools - Preschools - Day camps - Certain household services
Do not include: - Medical Expenses - Tuition costs for kindergarten - Private schools (except preschools) - Overnight camps - Summer schools - Tutoring programs - Child support payments - Expenses incurred in 2020 - 2022 Expenses you prepaid in 2021 - Expenses you paid in 2022 even if they were for 2021
看来这$4635真的被turbotax收税了?
好的,谢谢。我在turbotax里面只输入了$365,没有其它child care的费用了。
所以你去年只花了300多的child care expense?那你contribute的5000不是拿不回来了?
谢谢,我看看今天有没有空试下另两个。
谢谢。 我们往年直接在wageworks提交小孩的学费账单,5000就返还了。 以前没在turbox里填fsa的东西。而我现在发现turbotax貌似把5000默认是收税的,除非你自己报5000+。但它又说小孩学费不是qualifying expenses,我好像又只能报老二的一点。
这个$4635有以下几种可能性
1.forfeit了,那你不用交税。但你得告诉turbotax forfeit了
2.你的雇主让你转到下一年,那你不用交税。但你得告诉turbotax。你下一年填税表要注意这个情况
3 你把$4635都reimburse回来了 但是你实际上没花那么多钱,那你要补交税
wageworks里学费也可以报,以前都没问题。但turbotax里学费不是eligible expenses。
主要是我发现如果不claim,turbotax就会收这5000的税。 是这样吗,有一直在turbotax里填fsa/childcare expenses信息的mm来确认下吗?
哦这样,那你可以skip这一步什么都不填吗?我以前都是skip的,因为我以前的花费大部分都fsa报掉了,今年是因为不让我存太多fsa,所以我报税的时候报了细节拿了一些credit回来。难道以前skip也默认存的fsa交了税?我回去看看以前的税表。
嗯,可以,我们以前一直都这样。
我也想知道是不是skip的会被turbotax默认收税。
我输入$365以后,税少了些,如果我再输入几千,税又少一些,所以我有主楼的问题。
对,感觉turbotax是这么理解的,我不报,它就觉得那4635不免。
我们在wageworks里是可以报学费,拿回5000的。
turbotax没做错。下次你这种情况,就别扣5000那么多了,学费本来就不能免税,只有afterschool之类的才可以。
谢谢。 我们2020年及以前都有老二/老大的childcare(daycare)费用,两个月的就够5000了,都是能reimburse的eligible expenses。我lg有可能拿老大的学费账单去报了2020年的fsa,而且通过了。这是一个可能的问题,不知道是不是也要去处理一下。
turbotax是不是skip fsa那里不填,就默认收5000的税,是我目前搞不清楚的。
你试试直接skip这一步,这样的话2441表里应该就是你contribute的FSA那个数值。
谢谢。那我今年就只claim 365。 除了去年,以前每年都有一个或者两个孩子的daycare费用,今年也有,去年比较特殊。
FSA的钱 即使你$5000都从FSA administrator那里报销了,在报税的时候还是要输入明细(钱给谁了,对方的税号,是给哪个孩子花的),不然这$5000一样要交税。lz mm赶紧去amend前些年的税表吧。
这是今年新改的吗?我刚才查了一下2020年的tax,我直接skip的,我把细节都填进去后发现真的省了几百的税,我天,那我要把以前的税表都翻出来看看了。还要amed 1040?好麻烦。
你老大如果是K或小学中学的私立学费的话,是不quality for FSA的。学龄孩子FSA只能cover aftercare这类. 你们Wagerworks给你报了其实是个mistake。估计你网上报费用时写的不是很清楚,没人仔细核对就让你过了。 如果你们Plan是花不完也会把钱还给你的话,那你就老老实实的交这4千多块的税。 如果你们Plan是花不玩就作废的话,就比较麻烦,因为你报销费用时有potential fraud,如果你只填$365的费用在税表上的话。
2441上大家要看那个数字呀? 我跟lz情况类似,但是2021年总共花了一万二千多给孩子的daycare fee,turbotax也是把5000从里面减掉了,然后说只有7000多是qualified expense。我都不记得去年要填很多关于dependent care fsa的东西了。不知道今年turbotax到底是怎么算的。
你如果有大于一个孩子的话,qualified expense>0会有些extra credit。 只有一个孩子就不会有Extra credit。
不知道summer school 跟summer camp的区别。 我以前都报Summer camp费用了,没有问题。
我以前也是报了summer camp,但它这个list里include只有day camp,不知道这些和summer camp有区别不。
我有俩,但是只有一个有daycare 费用(qualified expense?),另外一个上小学了。我的dependent care FSA 放了5000,用小的daycare 费用已经拿到全部的reimbursement了。我现在就是不知道turbotax 把这5000算成要收税还是不要收税,supposedly应该是不收税的,对吧?
去年也填了,你可以看一下你去年的税表啊。
只要你没有填错,就不收税。否则干嘛要存这劳神子玩意😁
good idea. 看了一下2020年line29那个credit是1000,2021年line 29是3000.
谢谢,你说得对。 我们以前每年都有eligible daycare expenses 5000+,但可能2020年用的学费的收据,我得和我lg核实下,不知有没有办法重新提交单据。 2021年的childcare只有$365,有没有其它eligible的我再看看。如果没有,看能不能carryover到今年用掉。
我也不知道,问问大家。
用TurboTax 很多年了, 如果不填FSA的详细expense 的话, 你w-2上扣的FSA 会被扣税,没有花掉的钱( w-2 FSA金额- 你的FSA 花的钱)就被扣税。
确实, turbo tax 不是一般的难用。 backdoor Roth 费了好大劲才填好,感觉他家特别不好用,一不小心就要多交。
Eligible expenses include: Before school or after school care (other than tuition) Qualifying custodial care for dependent adults Licensed day care centers Nursery schools or pre-schools Placement fees for a dependent care provider, such as an au pair Child care at a day camp, nursery school, or by a private sitter Late pick-up fees Summer or holiday day camps
2.你的雇主让你转到下一年,那你不用交税。但你得告诉turbotax。你下一年填税表要注意这个情况
我们是这种情况,在哪里告诉turbotax啊?
dependent care FSA 没用完的部分转到下一年这只是2020年的政策吧,2021年没用完的不能转了。
Temporary special rules for dependent care flexible spending arrangements (FSAs). Section 214 of the Taxpayer Certainty and Disaster Tax Relief Act of 2020 provides temporary COVID-19 relief for dependent care FSAs. This legislation allows employers to amend their dependent care plan to allow unused amounts to be used in a subsequent year. It also allows employers to amend their dependent care plan to allow participants to use amounts in a subsequent year if a dependent turned age 13 before the funds were used. Unused amounts from 2020 are added to the maximum amount of dependent care benefits that are allowed for 2021.
backdoor roth 应该怎么填呀?
所以满足dependent care FSA的条件的话到底要不要交税呢?好象turbotax by default就是要交税。