普京电视讲话全文,这篇小作文厉害了,未来能成为重要的历史文献吗?

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RainyBambooJepp
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将和希特勒一起遗臭万年
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Perseus2000
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回复 1楼yy9922的帖子
欣赏这个东西的,是不是没读过啥正经书,都是啥恶趣味
迷迭香的愿望
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这篇文章里几次说谎言国家,新纳粹,种族灭绝…所以就能出兵?上面几个词不也一直用来指责ccp,所以这个逻辑,西方国家就理所当然也有理出兵中国了?
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CC2020CC
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别说
普京可以用清理纳粹的理由来收拾这几个国家
看好
pwwq 发表于 2022-02-25 14:16

现任乌克兰总统是犹太人。前任乌克兰总统是抗纳粹世家出身。
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marylander2
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为了二十年前的怨恨不惜举刀杀人,而且觉得自己是完全正当的。。。。这是完完全全疯子的思维。这也是独裁政权是最危险的原因。因为所有权力集中一个人手里。一旦这人失去理智,全世界跟着遭殃。

 

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ChristinaW
和我的奋斗,炮打司令部,一起载入史册的~~
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bw376
会的。跟希特勒的宣战讲演放在一起。
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pops
求英文的。中文稿不可信,一股鸡汤味。
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bankuai
会的。跟希特勒的宣战讲演放在一起。+1
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beargrace27
新华社替普京写的?还是帮着翻译的? 又是 杨某侠?
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flyfireice
普大有压力了?写啥小作文啊!雇佣网军就行。
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seventen
国内一片喝彩
可怕
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Cinderella_smile
和我的奋斗,炮打司令部,一起载入史册的~~
ChristinaW 发表于 2022-02-25 12:02

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Namama
比他的第一篇要强不少。。 可能是因为这篇主要面向国内民众。。
第一篇可能更加对外,所以加入太多历史类东西, 但大多数外国民众对沙俄/苏联/俄罗斯的具体领土变迁和民族政策没啥了解,所以多半看了依然无感。。。
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yy9922
新华社替普京写的?还是帮着翻译的? 又是 杨某侠?
beargrace27 发表于 2022-02-25 12:05

脱稿演讲,也许有提词器吧,讲了一个小时
这个翻译是中国外交部翻的
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stacych8008
大概是想效仿Peter the Great?
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justwatching
这牌坊立的,黄俄粉一片欢呼
距离拥抱被
雁过
求英文的。中文稿不可信,一股鸡汤味。
pops 发表于 2022-02-25 12:05

Respected citizens of Russia! Dear friends! “Today, I again consider it necessary to come back to the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and the key issue of ensuring Russian security. Let me start with what I said in my address of February 21. I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West. “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.” “After the collapse of the USSR, the realignment of the world began, and the norms of international law that had been developed – the key, basic ones being adopted in the aftermath of World War II and largely consolidating its outcome – began to get in the way of the self-proclaimed winner of the Cold War. “Of course, in practical life, in international relations and the rules that regulated them, it was necessary to take into account changes in the state of affairs in the world and the balance of power. This should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, taking into account and respecting the interests of all countries and understanding one’s own responsibility. But no, the euphoria from having absolute superiority, a kind of modern-day absolutism, and the low level of general culture and arrogance of decision-makers [led to] decision prepared, adopted and pushed through that were beneficial only for themselves. The situation began to develop according to a different scenario. “You don’t have to look far for examples. First, without any approval from the UN Security Council, they carried out a bloody military operation against Belgrade, using aircraft and missiles right in the very centre of Europe. [They carried out] several weeks of continuous bombing of cities and critical infrastructure. We have to remind of these facts, as some Western colleagues do not like to remember those events, and when we talk about it, they prefer to point not to the norms of international law, but to the circumstances that they interpret as they see fit. “Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya, Syria. The illegitimate use of military force against Libya, the twisting of all decisions taken by the UN Security Council on the Libyan issue led to the complete destruction of the state, to the emergence of a major hotbed of international terrorism, to a humanitarian catastrophe and a civil war that has not ended to this day. The tragedy, to which they doomed hundreds of thousands, millions of people not only in Libya, but throughout this region, gave rise to a massive migration wave from North Africa and the Middle East to Europe. “They ensured a similar fate for Syria. The Western coalition’s military activities on the territory of this country without the consent of the Syrian government or the approval of the UN Security Council are nothing but aggression, intervention. “However, there is a special place for the invasion of Iraq, which was carried out also without any legal grounds. As a pretext, they put forward supposedly reliable information from the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. As proof of this, publicly, in front of the eyes of the whole world, the US secretary of state shook some kind of a test tube with white powder, assuring everyone that this is a chemical weapon being developed in Iraq. And then it turned out that all this was a hoax, a bluff: there were no chemical weapons in Iraq.” “In this context, there were promises to our country not to expand NATO even one inch to the east. I repeat – they deceived us, in other words, they simply conned us. Yes, you can often hear that politics is a dirty business. Perhaps [that is so], but not to this extent. After all, such cheating behaviour contradicts not only the principles of international relations, but above all the generally recognised norms of morality. Where is justice and truth here? Just total lies and hypocrisy. “By the way, American politicians, political scientists and journalists themselves write and say that in recent years, an actual “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States. It’s hard to disagree with that, as it’s true. But let us not understate: the United States is a great country, a system-forming power. All her satellites not only dutifully agree, sing along to its music, but also copy its behaviour, and enthusiastically accept the rules they are offered. Therefore, with good reason, we can confidently say that the entire so-called Western bloc, formed by the United States in its own image and likeness, all of it is an ’empire of lies.'” “Despite all of this, in December 2021 we once again made an attempt to agree with the United States and its allies on the principles of ensuring security in Europe and on the non-expansion of NATO. Everything was in vain. The US position did not change. They did not consider it necessary to negotiate with Russia on this important issue for us, continuing to pursue their own goals and disregarding our interests.” “As for the military sphere, today, modern Russia, even after the collapse of the USSR and the loss of a significant part of its capacity, is one of the most powerful nuclear powers in the world and possesses certain advantages in some of the newest types of weaponry. In this regard, no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to defeat and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor.” “As NATO expands to the east, with every passing year, the situation for our country is getting worse and more dangerous. Moreover, in recent days the leadership of NATO has been openly talking about the need to speed up, force the advancement of the alliance’s infrastructure to the borders of Russia. In other words, they are doubling down on their position. We can no longer just watch what is happening. It would be absolutely irresponsible on our part. “Further expansion of the NATO infrastructure and the beginning of military development in Ukraine’s territories are unacceptable for us. The problem, of course, is not NATO itself – it is only an instrument of US foreign policy. The problem is that in the territories adjacent to us – territories that were historically ours, I emphasise – an “anti-Russia” hostile to us is being created, placed under full external control; [it] is intensively settled by the armed forces of NATO countries and is supplied with the most modern weapons. “For the United States and its allies, this is the so-called policy of containment of Russia, [which brings] obvious geopolitical benefits. And for our country, this is ultimately a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a people. And this is not an exaggeration – it is true. This is a real threat not just to our interests, but to the very existence of our state, its sovereignty. This is the very red line that has been talked about many times. They crossed it. “About the situation in the Donbas. We see that the forces that carried out a coup in Ukraine in 2014, seized power and are holding it through sham electoral procedures, have given up on the peaceful settlement of the conflict. For eight years, for eight long years, we have done everything possible to resolve the situation by peaceful, political means. All was in vain. “As I said in my previous address, one cannot look at what is happening there without compassion. It is simply not possible to stand all this any more. It is necessary to immediately stop this nightmare – the genocide against the millions of people living there, who rely only on Russia, only on us. These aspirations, feelings, pain of people are the main motivation for us to take the decision to recognise the people’s republics of Donbas. “What I think is important to emphasise further is that the leading NATO countries, in order to achieve their own goals, support extreme nationalists and Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who, in turn, will never forgive the Crimeans and Sevastopol residents for choosing reunification with Russia. “They, of course, will crawl into the Crimea, just like in the Donbas, in order to kill, just as the gangs of Ukrainian nationalists, Hitler’s accomplices, killed defenceless people during the Great Patriotic War. They openly lay claim to a number of other Russian territories. “The course of events and the incoming information show that Russia’s clash with these forces is inevitable. It is only a matter of time: they are getting ready, they are waiting for the right time. Now they also claim to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not allow this to happen.” “We have been left no other option to protect Russia and our people, but for the one that we will be forced to use today. The situation requires us to take decisive and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbas turned to Russia with a request for help. “In this regard, in accordance with Article 51 of Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the approval of the Federation Council of Russia and in pursuance of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance ratified by the Duma on February 22 with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Luhansk People’s Republic, I decided to launch a special military operation. “Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to abuse and genocide by the regime in Kyiv for eight years. And for this we will pursue the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine, as well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation. “Our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we hear that recently in the West there is talk that the documents signed by the Soviet totalitarian regime, securing the outcome of World War II, should no longer be upheld. Well, what is the answer to this? “The outcome of World War II, as well as the sacrifices made by our people on the altar of victory over Nazism, are sacred. But this does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms, based on the realities that have developed today in the decades following war. It also does not cancel the right of nations to self-determination, enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.” “In this regard, I appeal to the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the residents of Crimea and Sevastopol from those whom you, yourself call “Nazis”. Crimeans and Sevastopol residents made their choice to be with their historical homeland, with Russia, and we supported this. I repeat, we simply could not do otherwise. “What is happening today does not come out of a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. It is related to the protection of Russia itself from those who took Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and its people.” “I also need to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces. “Dear comrades! Your fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazis and defend our common Motherland, so that today’s Neo-Nazis can seize power in Ukraine. You took an oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people, and not to the anti-national junta that plunders Ukraine and abuses its people. “Don’t follow its criminal orders. I urge you to lay down your weapons immediately and go home. I want to make clear that all servicemen of the Ukrainian army who do so will be able to freely leave the combat zone and return to their families. “Once again, I emphasise, all responsibility for possible bloodshed will lay on the conscience of the ruling regime in Ukraine. “Now a few important, very important words for those who may be tempted to intervene in the ongoing events. Whoever tries to hinder us, or threaten our country or our people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences that you have never faced in your history. We are ready for any turn of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made. I hope that I will be heard.” “Dear compatriots! “I am confident that the soldiers and officers of the Russian Armed Forces devoted to their country will professionally and courageously fulfil their duty. I have no doubt that all levels of government, the experts responsible for the stability of our economy, financial system and social sphere, the heads of our companies and all Russian business will act in a coordinated and efficient manner. I count on a patriotic consensus position of all parliamentary parties and public forces. “As it has always been the case in our history, the fate of Russia is in the reliable hands of our multinational people. And this means that the decisions made will be implemented, the goals set will be achieved, the security of our Motherland will be reliably guaranteed. “I believe in your support, in that invincible strength that our love for the Fatherland gives us.”
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winnieyan
国内一片喝彩
可怕
seventen 发表于 2022-02-25 12:07

是的。国内的大环境是大家非常受到鼓舞,解放台湾势在必得。
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lvk
如果他在周末没有结束战争,杀猪后马上就会杀熊了。
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thymesu
从俄罗斯的利益出发,挺有道理。美国想打破多极格局,一国独大,当然会引起战争。
肉圆子
比他的第一篇要强不少。。 可能是因为这篇主要面向国内民众。。
第一篇可能更加对外,所以加入太多历史类东西, 但大多数外国民众对沙俄/苏联/俄罗斯的具体领土变迁和民族政策没啥了解,所以多半看了依然无感。。。
Namama 发表于 2022-02-25 12:08

虽然里面有逻辑谬误。但总体而言还是在试图讲道理。
希特勒的演讲是比较存粹的情感煽动。
如果真是普金写的,那普金和希特勒的mindset还是差挺多的。
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jiangyoudang17
从俄罗斯的利益出发,挺有道理。美国想打破多极格局,一国独大,当然会引起战争。
thymesu 发表于 2022-02-25 12:19

俄罗斯人肯定大多数是支持的啊。不像国内,天天歪歪西方好,没经历过,永远都是浪漫色彩的想象。
俄罗斯挥剑自宫,还被西方各种侮辱打压,都经历过,还能怎么样。有的跑了,剩下的哪怕对俄自己政府再不满,也没更好的选择啊。都卖过一次国,发现没人待见,只好回头呗。
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yy9922
是的。国内的大环境是大家非常受到鼓舞,解放台湾势在必得。
winnieyan 发表于 2022-02-25 12:14

不一样,这篇的调子和出师表似的,透着悲壮。 习要是打台湾的话,写得出这么悲壮的檄文吗?
肉圆子
普京第一篇演讲里对共产党是从头批到尾,虽然批的俄共,但也有指桑骂槐的感觉。估计这个原因国内禁止转发了吧。
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fun12345
回复 1楼yy9922的帖子
伊拉克入侵部分写得挺好的,也是对的。当年的侵略者,今天的反战者,都是为了自己的利益而以。
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jiangyoudang17
普京第一篇演讲里对共产党是从头批到尾,虽然批的俄共,但也有指桑骂槐的感觉。估计这个原因国内禁止转发了吧。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:24

造谣也得像个样子。我在国内论坛上看到的中文稿
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mysrrx
从俄罗斯自己的角度,天赐普京,俄罗斯之幸,他前面的叶利钦和戈尔巴乔夫,是给俄罗斯带来了繁荣还是民主呀?当然从美国的角度来说,普京是头号大坏蛋,破坏民主(俄罗斯本来就没有的)和世界和平的大罪人。 看一个论坛上说,普京对西方的经济制裁的心理底线是什么?如果他的心理底线是西方经济制裁把俄罗斯经济打回叶利钦年代,那他无所畏惧,毕竟美国对俄罗斯再狠,也没有自己人叶利钦狠。
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purplebasil
我觉得写得挺好 其实就是二战后国际势力平衡被打破,新秩序逐渐形成,伤害到俄国的核心利益,所以俄国不得不战。但是,我觉得打仗主要是为了恐吓,阻止或者延缓这个新秩序的形成。
肉圆子
造谣也得像个样子。我在国内论坛上看到的中文稿
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:26

哦,我看到的中文转发被和谐了,所以以为禁了。你看到的里面有对共产党的批评么?没有的话那你可能看的阉割版。
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kissingsherry
我发现粉流氓国家的真不少
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jiangyoudang17
哦,我看到的中文转发被和谐了,所以以为禁了。你看到的里面有对共产党的批评么?没有的话那你可能看的阉割版。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:28

我根本就不注意这个细节。你说说为啥你能注意到吧
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flyfireice
从头骂到中,结束的地方骂了骂北约。不注意很难😓
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happy3001
写的很诚实,苏联解体,俄罗斯不是不想向西方靠拢。只是出身不好,不是根红苗正,永远是被排斥的对象。乌克兰向西方靠拢也是对的,为了更好的生活。但是妄想加入北约这种军事联盟是臭棋。
肉圆子
我根本就不注意这个细节。你说说为啥你能注意到吧
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:31

不是众所周知的原因么。原来你是外宾,哦。
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jiangyoudang17
不是众所周知的原因么。原来你是外宾,哦。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:34

我就问你这么长的讲稿,你怎么就关注到这个词了呢。别回避问题
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thymesu
俄罗斯人肯定大多数是支持的啊。不像国内,天天歪歪西方好,没经历过,永远都是浪漫色彩的想象。
俄罗斯挥剑自宫,还被西方各种侮辱打压,都经历过,还能怎么样。有的跑了,剩下的哪怕对俄自己政府再不满,也没更好的选择啊。都卖过一次国,发现没人待见,只好回头呗。
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:24

投诚过,没有用。中共吸取教训,本来就只能靠自己。 德国想摆脱对美国的依赖,和俄国做生易,美国不会愿意看见自己老大地位尚失,所以一定会挑拨。 都是从自己的利益出发,希望各派有聪明人协商平衡,不需要另一场世界大站来建立新的平衡。
肉圆子
我就问你这么长的讲稿,你怎么就关注到这个词了呢。别回避问题
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:37

普京这篇长讲稿里对共产党大篇幅全方位的批判,你居然没注意到,那真是你问题。
问我为啥注意到只能说明你问题还挺大的。
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thymesu
我发现粉流氓国家的真不少
kissingsherry 发表于 2022-02-25 12:30

呵呵,你是说美国?美俄相比没有谁更不流氓的。
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mary的小绵羊
普京定义乌克兰的犹太人总统是纳粹,有意思。
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minqidev
回复 12楼stacych8008的帖子
错,是叶卡捷琳娜
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minqidev
回复 27楼肉圆子的帖子
你不批判俄共,怎么知道问题在哪
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CleverBeaver
不一样,这篇的调子和出师表似的,透着悲壮。 习要是打台湾的话,写得出这么悲壮的檄文吗?
yy9922 发表于 2022-02-25 12:24

有道理
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jiangyoudang17
普京这篇长讲稿里对共产党大篇幅全方位的批判,你居然没注意到,那真是你问题。
问我为啥注意到只能说明你问题还挺大的。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:41

我没带着这个雷达思考问题。你高兴从这个发言这个局势下看到这个,随便你吧。
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couldbeworse
反正就是發動無名戰爭的屠夫
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jiangyoudang17
普京定义乌克兰的犹太人总统是纳粹,有意思。
mary的小绵羊 发表于 2022-02-25 12:42

乌克兰本来就是允许纳粹活动的啊。这不跟沙特一样么,只要是盟友,所有原则问题都不提,好像不存在一样。
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swallow2011
大国博弈,俄这一仗是不得不打。美国是最大受益国。
红茶玛奇朵去冰三分甜
为啥国内那么崇拜普京,这篇小作文可是全网的盛赞
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Jaelynleaf
写的很诚实,苏联解体,俄罗斯不是不想向西方靠拢。只是出身不好,不是根红苗正,永远是被排斥的对象。乌克兰向西方靠拢也是对的,为了更好的生活。但是妄想加入北约这种军事联盟是臭棋。
happy3001 发表于 2022-02-25 12:33

在基辅和圣彼得堡曾经出差过, 非常美丽的城市 童话一样的仙境
感觉他们的网络环境非常地开放 年轻人的思维和欧美已经很接近了
所以,别的不说 我同意层主的看法。
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ddg2001
投诚过,没有用。中共吸取教训,本来就只能靠自己。 德国想摆脱对美国的依赖,和俄国做生易,美国不会愿意看见自己老大地位尚失,所以一定会挑拨。 都是从自己的利益出发,希望各派有聪明人协商平衡,不需要另一场世界大站来建立新的平衡。
thymesu 发表于 2022-02-25 12:39

没错,一切都是利益。 老百姓看问题会带理想主义色彩,是因为屁股所坐的位置决定的,说到底是个屁民,不需要考虑太多。但是在国家领导人或者大国政客眼里,没有正义邪恶之分,什么朋友敌人也都是虚的,说到底只有利益。
何小花
造谣也得像个样子。我在国内论坛上看到的中文稿
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:26

第一篇就是一半时间骂斯大林列宁啊,看得我愣了都,这不是打党妈的脸吗?
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jiangyoudang17
为啥国内那么崇拜普京,这篇小作文可是全网的盛赞
红茶玛奇朵去冰三分甜 发表于 2022-02-25 12:57

因为键政们经历了各种事情,譬如南斯拉夫大使馆被炸,飞行员跳海等,恶心的湾湾。那些人本来就对军事和国际关系感兴趣,天天盼着强势。国内被经济发展导向牵着,做不出来。他们就投射到普京身上呗。
不过普京最好身体健康,带着俄罗斯再抗几年,分担点国际压力。他没了,俄罗斯更弱,弱了就不是重点打击对象了。
何小花
我根本就不注意这个细节。你说说为啥你能注意到吧
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:31

一大半都是骂共产党,怎么会注意不到
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trayanh
求英文的。中文稿不可信,一股鸡汤味。
pops 发表于 2022-02-25 12:05

看中文宣传的都是俄罗斯打乌克兰是正义的。。。
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flyfireice
这篇小作文,还是没说清楚,普京想要啥?除了那两个国家独立外,他到乌克兰想要啥,要目前乌政府下台?
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yy9922
大国博弈,俄这一仗是不得不打。美国是最大受益国。
swallow2011 发表于 2022-02-25 12:57

俄罗斯很想打这一仗吗?最想他们打起来的是美国啊

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ChristinaW
看中文宣传的都是俄罗斯打乌克兰是正义的。。。
trayanh 发表于 2022-02-25 13:01

不奇怪, 当年要是没有日本鬼子侵略中国, 共产党怎么能坐江山? 屁股决定脑袋,肯定要为侵略者唱赞歌的~~
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ddg2001
俄罗斯很想打这一仗吗?最想他们打起来的是美国啊


yy9922 发表于 2022-02-25 13:04

确实,这场战争的发起美国功不可没。
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jiangyoudang17
确实,这场战争的发起美国功不可没。
ddg2001 发表于 2022-02-25 13:06

前几天有个新闻,没在华人热起来。
英国搅屎棍子外交大臣不知道地名,俄罗斯官员设套,说俄罗斯在某地方驻军,然后英国外交大臣直接骂侵略,俄罗斯慢悠悠地说那是我们自己国内的地区。可搞笑了。。。感觉根本不需要任何理由和常识,只要是俄罗斯说的直接骂就行了
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yy9922
这篇小作文,还是没说清楚,普京想要啥?除了那两个国家独立外,他到乌克兰想要啥,要目前乌政府下台?
flyfireice 发表于 2022-02-25 13:04

要北约停止东扩
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flyfireice
要北约停止东扩
yy9922 发表于 2022-02-25 13:10

如果只是停止”继续”东扩,那乌总统说的谈判可行。如果要北约把以前纳入的前苏联小国都挤出去,先不说北约反应,那些小国也害怕俄罗斯啊。
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Namama
普京这篇长讲稿里对共产党大篇幅全方位的批判,你居然没注意到,那真是你问题。
问我为啥注意到只能说明你问题还挺大的。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:41

共产党那些民族政策确实很扯淡。。
中共当初照搬了苏共的民族政策,直接打断了中国持续几千年的民族融合政策,造成的问题一直到现在都还没解决。。甚至连民国做的那些比较合理的改土归流都给改了回去。。察哈尔、热河、绥远、西康四个省被撤销。。
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Namama
乌克兰本来就是允许纳粹活动的啊。这不跟沙特一样么,只要是盟友,所有原则问题都不提,好像不存在一样。
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:52

二战时,有专门的乌克兰裔党卫军,二毛子搞纳粹也是传统技能了。。
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CC2020CC
虽然里面有逻辑谬误。但总体而言还是在试图讲道理。
希特勒的演讲是比较存粹的情感煽动。
如果真是普金写的,那普金和希特勒的mindset还是差挺多的。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:23

第一篇演讲把欧洲(特别是德国人)吓坏了。没想到普京真的是精神病!
第二篇更是吓人。这人真的类似于董志民,活在21世纪,脑子停留在中世纪。怪不得中共喜欢他。
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Jaelynleaf
要北约停止东扩
yy9922 发表于 2022-02-25 13:10

要乌克兰做俄罗斯的附属国 狼要吃羊,总是有各种理由 捶得你直到你彻底服气
馒头744
说那么多屁话抵得过乌克兰是独立主权国家这一事实吗?独立主权国家想和谁好就和谁好你管得着?除非人家侵略你国家你才可以反击
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flyfireice
这个理解是对的。再加上第一篇,就是前苏联的小伙伴们,快回到你们祖国的怀抱!
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CC2020CC
看中文宣传的都是俄罗斯打乌克兰是正义的。。。
trayanh 发表于 2022-02-25 13:01

我不明白中共就算没有半分人性,智商也缺失吗?
俄罗斯这次彻底和欧洲翻脸,眼看欧美要彻底制裁了,欧美制裁诚然救不了乌克兰,但是绝对能重创被制裁者的经济。中共这个时刻赶上去舔俄腚,甚至和俄罗斯结盟、送上各种经济援助,真是别人偷驴你挡鞭子。到底图个什么?
again,习近平一路而来,所作所为不能以正常现代人类衡量的多了去了。他和普京真的是21世纪的一对活化石。中国怎么这么倒霉!好容易过了两年“好”日子(忽略李莹的苦难),这下再次翻身至少20年以后了!
馒头744
我不明白中共就算没有半分人性,智商也缺失吗?
俄罗斯这次彻底和欧洲翻脸,眼看欧美要彻底制裁了,欧美制裁诚然救不了乌克兰,但是绝对能重创被制裁者的经济。中共这个时刻赶上去舔俄腚,甚至和俄罗斯结盟、送上各种经济援助,真是别人偷驴你挡鞭子。到底图个什么?
again,习近平一路而来,所作所为不能以正常现代人类衡量的多了去了。他和普京真的是21世纪的一对活化石。中国怎么这么倒霉!好容易过了两年“好”日子(忽略李莹的苦难),这下再次翻身至少20年以后了!
CC2020CC 发表于 2022-02-25 13:32

这件事极其严重,事实上的联合国解散了,谁还会鸟,没有实力也要硬上搞核武阿, 金三简直是旷世奇才,看透一切,人间清醒!
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microm
回复 66楼CC2020CC的帖子
愚民到最后都是愚自己,没有人性的政权和统治者,到最后智商下降作出弱智决定是必然的
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heyykitty0
俄国人又在用情怀拉小弟了。确实有文化。这文谁看了最有共鸣,就是讲给谁听的吧。 中国偷偷支持也罢了,看着算有点小聪明,但这么往前冲给人拉大旗就看不懂了。
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trayanh
不奇怪, 当年要是没有日本鬼子侵略中国, 共产党怎么能坐江山? 屁股决定脑袋,肯定要为侵略者唱赞歌的~~
ChristinaW 发表于 2022-02-25 13:06

昨晚看了几眼,大致就是佬子打儿子,这个儿子不乖,搞三搞四。。。意淫来意淫去,独独没记得人乌克兰是有独立主权的国家,真的是什么人民deserve什么政府
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trayanh
二战时,有专门的乌克兰裔党卫军,二毛子搞纳粹也是传统技能了。。
Namama 发表于 2022-02-25 13:17

说得好像老毛子又比纳粹好到哪里。。。当年波兰难道不是被苏德前脚后脚瓜分二战爆发的?
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flyfireice
昨晚看了几眼,大致就是佬子打儿子,这个儿子不乖,搞三搞四。。。意淫来意淫去,独独没记得人乌克兰是有独立主权的国家,真的是什么人民deserve什么政府
trayanh 发表于 2022-02-25 13:56

不少俄罗斯人民去反战游行。看新闻,抓了一千多个。我真的佩服这些在俄罗斯境内反战游行的俄罗斯人!他们不deserve 这些的政府!
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wonaiwangerxiao
这是一个非常复杂的问题,分成很多层。拿我们熟悉的中国和美国来说明可能比较容易理解:
就政权层面来说,多党的美国政权,即使各党都腐败,但有赋予公民平等自由人权的宪法做基础,政权还是受控的还能保障公民有基本的人权; 而一党独裁的中国政权,宪法就是笑话法律不能做挡箭牌,那里任何人都可能成为猪圈里被单独静悄悄拉出去屠宰的猪被掳去拴上铁链的奴隶同时其他猪还在情绪稳定地幸福生活着。我们不能承受世界被独裁政权统治的结果,所以不能支持独裁政权,这是非常清晰无需浪费口舌辩论的。
就人的层面来说,地球人已经天生按肤色分了类组了群没人能改变这个基本区别。白人傲慢 & 永远站在道德制高点 & 善于操纵媒体舆论和人心,但同时又有科学精神&提倡思辨性逻辑性的思考&独立思考能力,就文明程度来说目前其他文明都比不上白人文明更先进。亚洲文明里充斥着混乱自相矛盾的逻辑混乱,被它引领的人类只能走向丛林社会,无法带领人类朝着更高智慧的方向发展。这使得亚洲人选择支持哪边,变成了非常复杂的选择。
作为黄色人种,我们只能选择支持黄色人的文明,同时反对霸权政权。
目前还看不到最佳被支持对象,台湾和新加坡也不够理想。而独裁政权是必须不能支持的,它强大则我们和后代随时都有沦为奴隶的风险。
p.s. 单讲俄罗斯乌克兰战,支持普京=支持霸权,然而让俄罗斯什么都不做也等于支持白人什么都可以做。至于中国和俄罗斯签煤炭大单,如果你反对那你不如看看Glencore是怎么发家的(靠被制裁的国家做生意),全球铁矿的铁矿超过60%卖给中国但没有议价权(价格由英国Platts定),中国加工铁矿石给自己人低工资把污染留在自己土地上再低价供卖钢材给世界被“反倾销”制裁说售价太低,中国人从不说自己是被GDP 60%以上为卖矿所得的澳大利亚巴西人奴役了,然后西方人说他们从中国高价购稀土是We‘''re slaved by Chinese (
Rare Earth Metals: Uses, Minerals, Geology, Prospecting: Strategic Metals for we need for Technology - YouTube
) .....白人建的YouTube甚至不允许你就slaved by Chinese做反驳评论。
所以,我支持中国人买俄罗斯人的煤炭,以摆脱对澳洲煤的依赖和制衡欧洲人控制的煤价;同时,反对独裁政权。
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trayanh
我不明白中共就算没有半分人性,智商也缺失吗?
俄罗斯这次彻底和欧洲翻脸,眼看欧美要彻底制裁了,欧美制裁诚然救不了乌克兰,但是绝对能重创被制裁者的经济。中共这个时刻赶上去舔俄腚,甚至和俄罗斯结盟、送上各种经济援助,真是别人偷驴你挡鞭子。到底图个什么?
again,习近平一路而来,所作所为不能以正常现代人类衡量的多了去了。他和普京真的是21世纪的一对活化石。中国怎么这么倒霉!好容易过了两年“好”日子(忽略李莹的苦难),这下再次翻身至少20年以后了!
CC2020CC 发表于 2022-02-25 13:32

为啥?跟国际公认恐怖组织塔利班都能称兄道弟的。。。非要搞一出全世界恐怖主义联合起来
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flyfireice
为啥?跟国际公认恐怖组织塔利班都能称兄道弟的。。。非要搞一出全世界恐怖主义联合起来
trayanh 发表于 2022-02-25 14:00

塔利班没有人权,好歹对阿富汗有主权吧。
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EEswine
回复 1楼yy9922的帖子
真的,元首入侵波兰前的演讲比这个强有道理多了!
希特勒闪击波兰前的全国演讲
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/365645812
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mary的小绵羊
乌克兰本来就是允许纳粹活动的啊。这不跟沙特一样么,只要是盟友,所有原则问题都不提,好像不存在一样。
jiangyoudang17 发表于 2022-02-25 12:52

欲加之罪,何患无辞。不过叫一个犹太人是纳粹确实连起码的遮掩都没有了。
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generalB
说那么多屁话抵得过乌克兰是独立主权国家这一事实吗?独立主权国家想和谁好就和谁好你管得着?除非人家侵略你国家你才可以反击
馒头744 发表于 2022-02-25 13:31

贼都把手伸到你口袋里了,还不许反抗?
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Newface_2020
回复 59楼Namama的帖子
西康为什么取消不了解,热河察哈尔绥远这三个在48年就由苏联牵头变内蒙古的一部分了,并且这些地区不让解放军进驻,最后外蒙古嫌内蒙古汉人太多了,内蒙古也更多人希望留在中国才没让两个蒙古合并。
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monmon1111
建议普京找王力宏前妻起草一系列小作文
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flyfireice
回复 1楼yy9922的帖子
真的,元首入侵波兰前的演讲比这个强有道理多了!
希特勒闪击波兰前的全国演讲
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/365645812
EEswine 发表于 2022-02-25 14:01

元首小作文写的好多了!而且明显元首准备工作,做的好很多!国际关系啊,盟友啊,英国啊,中立国啊。而且,元首自己还要上前线,继承人都制定好了!赞元首!
馒头744
贼都把手伸到你口袋里了,还不许反抗?
generalB 发表于 2022-02-25 14:03

伸你口袋了?到你家国土上偷东西了? 理屈词穷了都,你是在给日寇辩护吧,人家还说士兵在你国土上被杀才入侵呢,都不好意思说自己在日本国土上钱包被偷怀疑是中国人干的。
馒头744
塔利班没有人权,好歹对阿富汗有主权吧。
flyfireice 发表于 2022-02-25 14:01

塔利班不就是到别的国家搞恐怖了吗? 自己在家呆着就没事,最多也就谴责一下对女性无耻。
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Newface_2020
回复 77楼mary的小绵羊的帖子
波兰和乌克兰的极右翼纳粹活跃是众所周知的事吧,波兰的现政府就是右翼政府。至于乌克兰这个总统是不是纳粹就不了解了。
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surreydays
pua啊 太可怕了
馒头744
回复 77楼mary的小绵羊的帖子
波兰和乌克兰的极右翼纳粹活跃是众所周知的事吧,波兰的现政府就是右翼政府。至于乌克兰这个总统是不是纳粹就不了解了。
Newface_2020 发表于 2022-02-25 14:10

照这么说支持八娃爹的算什么?禽兽组织?毕竟真发生在中国国土上啊,你能不能不要给国家抹黑?给俄爹洗地真是洗的脸都不要了,还我百万疆土先!你这个汉奸。
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surreydays
说那么多反正就是,我没错,都是你们的错,都是你们逼我的,我可怜啊,我给你们洗洗脑
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pwwq
回复 77楼mary的小绵羊的帖子
波兰和乌克兰的极右翼纳粹活跃是众所周知的事吧,波兰的现政府就是右翼政府。至于乌克兰这个总统是不是纳粹就不了解了。
Newface_2020 发表于 2022-02-25 14:10

别说
普京可以用清理纳粹的理由来收拾这几个国家
看好
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Dida123
普大有压力了?写啥小作文啊!雇佣网军就行。
flyfireice 发表于 2022-02-25 12:06

被你逗乐了,小作文风靡全球啊
柚子honey
侵略 这是事实
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wonaiwangerxiao
我支持中国和俄罗斯签煤炭订单,以摆脱对澳洲煤炭的依赖和对价格的束手无策,这是有利于中国人的做法;因为我是黄种人,所以支持利好自己人的政策。 同时,我反对独裁政权。
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Heiniu
国内一片喝彩
可怕
seventen 发表于 2022-02-25 12:07

为此我刚刚把我的老班长屏蔽了。
庆幸的是除此以外朋友圈里都是谴责战争的。。
我童年发小的老公是以前参过军的, 我还担心她会说什么。 结果她发了一篇<俄罗斯侵占中国领土顺序表>, 我心里颇得安慰。
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Luluwa99
无耻至极
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Newface_2020
回复 86楼的帖子
理性讨论遇到一个骂街的,晦气,屏蔽之。
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teamwork
傻B普京,战火中死去的冤魂会聚在一起索他的狗命。
浮云散
普京第一篇演讲里对共产党是从头批到尾,虽然批的俄共,但也有指桑骂槐的感觉。估计这个原因国内禁止转发了吧。
肉圆子 发表于 2022-02-25 12:24

普京骂共产主义和列宁很正常,他是个民族主义者,维护俄罗斯利益。沙皇的颠覆者前苏的建立者,大多是信奉共产主义的犹太人,包括列宁。这些人是信奉共产主义无国界的,所以会把俄罗斯一些国土给乌克兰。
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jack54321
我支持中国和俄罗斯签煤炭订单,以摆脱对澳洲煤炭的依赖和对价格的束手无策,这是有利于中国人的做法;因为我是黄种人,所以支持利好自己人的政策。 同时,我反对独裁政权。
wonaiwangerxiao 发表于 2022-02-25 14:25

俄罗斯的煤炭质量 很差劲的。其实 中国自己的煤炭 都足足够用,完全不需要进口。之所以要 进口 澳洲的煤炭,完全是 澳洲的煤炭 质量更好,同样1吨煤,澳洲煤的热量 更高。但 俄罗斯的煤的质量就很差劲了,所以 以前 中国炼钢厂,电厂 都不要 俄罗斯的煤。
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为了二十年前的怨恨不惜举刀杀人,而且觉得自己是完全正当的。。。。这是完完全全疯子的思维。这也是独裁政权是最危险的原因。因为所有权力集中一个人手里。一旦这人失去理智,全世界跟着遭殃。
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别说
普京可以用清理纳粹的理由来收拾这几个国家
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pwwq 发表于 2022-02-25 14:16

现任乌克兰总统是犹太人。前任乌克兰总统是抗纳粹世家出身。