奥运单板滑雪比赛一周内第二次严重不公,NBC解说气得骂人!

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kinston
楼主 (北美华人网)
今天单板滑雪男子U型场地技巧决赛,日本两届冬奥亚军平野步梦在完美完成第二轮史上最高难度后,NBC解说、多次世界冠军得主Todd Richards大呼难以置信,简直像来自于另一个星球,他在这行很久很久了,这套节目绝对是史上最佳的一套,毫无疑问锁定冠军了,他给的分数是98分。
然而分数一出来,Todd Richards马上傻眼,裁判只给了91.75,刚刚比领先的澳大利亚选手的92.5低一点,如果没有更佳表现平野步梦只能屈居银牌,“三连银“”。
作为非常资深的运动员、解说和观众,Todd Richards马上批评裁判给分有问题,诚实地说简直“”滑稽可笑“”,肯定是哪个地方出错了。他说自己在这个领域很久很久了,完全知道什么是好的节目,平野步梦的表现绝对史上最佳(不管难度和表现都远超第二名)。
幸运的是,在第三轮中平野步梦凭坚定的意志完美重复了第二跳的超难度动作。分数出来前Todd Richards说终于有机会让裁判纠正自己的错误,第三轮最后得分96,以绝对优势夺得冠军。解说大呼"Justice!"
在赛后接受采访时平野步梦说:
对第二轮分数不能接受,第三轮也是带着对压分的愤怒上场加成的表现”。
最后看各裁判给平野步梦打的第二轮分数:给得最低的是美国裁判,只给了讽刺的89分,不知道是不是为了给当时排名第三的Shaun White保一块铜牌退役。当时排名第二的是瑞士选手,所以瑞士裁判也给了仅次于美国裁判的低分90。

福布斯这篇文章提到了一周内的两次裁判争议,认为苏翊鸣那场决赛的裁判错误可能改写最终名次。据说导致主裁判最后承认错误的原因在于铜牌得主Max Parrot的大量粉丝在twitter和玩家论坛讨论争吵,成功引起业内关注,才有了对主裁判的采访。
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michellebruton/2022/02/10/judging-controversy-avoided-as-japans-ayumu-hirano-wins-olympic-halfpipe-gold-with-two-triple-corks/?sh=77b447ef243f
Judging Controversy Avoided As Japan’s Ayumu Hirano Wins Olympic Halfpipe Gold With Triple Cork
For the second time in a week, judging controversy became the central narrative of an Olympic men’s snowboarding final.
This time, however, the judges got—and, thankfully, took—a chance to correct it.
First, it was the men’s slopestyle final on Sunday night, where Max Parrot took gold off the strength of a terrific run, but one that saw him grab his knee instead of the front of his board on a jump—a big no-no that could have docked him two or three points.
Given that the silver and bronze medalists Su Yiming and Mark McMorris finished within three points of Parrot, it was a significant error on the judges’ part and it unfairly clouded all three athletes’ incredible achievements.
It almost happened again on Thursday night.
The main storyline heading into the men’s halfpipe final was whether any of the riders would land the elusive triple cork, a trick that represents the next frontier of men’s halfpipe snowboarding.
Involving three off-axis rotations (and tacked onto a similarly high-flying spin trick), the triple cork has only been landed in competition by one rider—Japan’s Ayumu Hirano. The 23-year-old landed the trick at Dew Tour in December and again at X Games in January in the lead-up to the Beijing Olympics.
However, in halfpipe, riders string together five tricks and are judged on overall impression. In both instances, Hirano fell on his very next hit.
It wasn’t a matter of if the triple would be incorporated cleanly into a run at the Beijing Games—just by whom. Two other riders, also from Japan, had landed the trick in training camp at Saas-Fee, Switzerland, this fall—Ruka Hirano (no relation) and Yuto Totsuka.
Scotty James, meanwhile, has suggested he has the trick in his bag. He went off the radar for much of the 2021-22 season to train on a private halfpipe in Europe, where he was, among other things, working on getting the triple dialed.
But James—and Shaun White, who was even cagier about his own progress with the triple—made it clear in interviews that they wouldn’t even consider doing the trick unless their backs were against the wall at the Olympics. It’s just that dangerous.
That’s why it was somewhat unexpected—and totally awesome—that Ayumu Hirano attempted the triple on the very first hit of his very first run in Thursday night’s final. What’s more, he landed it cleanly and successfully linked it to his next trick, a cab (switch frontside) double 1440 (four full rotations) Weddle grab, and then to a frontside double 1260 and a backside 1260 Weddle grab.
Hirano then fell before he could completely stomp a clean run, but he had sent a jolt through the men’s final by attempting the trick on his first run of three, making his intentions extremely clear: I am leaving here with the gold medal.
As the top qualifier for the final, Hirano had the benefit of being the last rider in the field to drop in.
Scotty James got the memo. On his second run—right before Hirano’s second run—the Aussie went big with his signature switch backside 1260 Weddle grab, cab double 1440 melon, frontside 900 tailgrab, backside 1260 Weddle ending with a frontside double 1440 tailgrab.
It was, as NBC announcer Todd Richards said, the heaviest run of the contest to that point, and it unsurprisingly vaulted James into first place with a score of 92.50.
Ayumu Hirano, Run 2: once again, he started off with the frontside triple 1440 truck driver, then went cab double 1440 Weddle, frontside double 1260, backside double 1260 Weddle and ending with a frontside double 1440 tailgrab.
If you were paying attention, you realized that it was the same run Hirano was trying to complete on his first attempt, even though, with the triple in there, he presumably didn’t need to include three 1440s. (Recall that at the 2018 Pyeongchang Games, Shaun White won with a run that started off with back-to-back 1440s).
And he stomped it.
Richards, a former pro snowboarder, Olympian and seven-time Winter X Games medalist, was beside himself, and his enthusiasm was contagious even for those outside the snowboarding community. Many viewers may not have understood what they were looking at, but through Richards, they understood that it was something extremely special.
Judges evaluate riders on amplitude, difficulty, variety, execution and progression, with the score reflecting overall impression. Richards thought Hirano’s run could score as high as a 98.
The score came back: 91.75.
Richards was apoplectic—surprisingly and refreshingly, considering it’s not often you hear such unvarnished commentary on the broadcast network that has a rightsholder relationship with the Olympics. “ROBBED” began trending on Twitter.
Snowboarding is not a major sport, but for nearly an hour on Thursday night, this was the biggest story in the sports world.
Even now, no sense can be made of it. Before the official scoring was up for the second runs, the thought was perhaps the judges had mistaken the triple cork for a double. As Richards pointed out, the triple is a high-risk proposition; how could it be worth it, and why would anyone ever do it again, if it doesn’t earn top score?
Hirano’s run clearly took the cake when it came to progression and difficulty (again, because of the triple). How about amplitude? Well, Hirano’s highest hit was 16’4”, compared to James’ 15’4”.
Both runs had variety, with 1260s, 1440s and different grabs. James did have that switch backside 1260, so difficult because it requires the rider to take off blind without seeing the landing.
But the triple is the most difficult trick ever done in the halfpipe. (And the irony there is that, at the 2018 Games, where James took bronze, the 27-year-old felt that the switch backside 1260 wasn’t scored highly enough by judges. Earlier this season, he said he finally felt like judges were starting to weight the trick accordingly. Apparently so!)
The prospect of another judging controversy marring an incredible snowboarding final full of progression and high-level execution was too much to bear. It wasn’t fair to Hirano, of course, who put down the run of his life.
But it also wasn’t fair to James, whose run was terrific and free of mistakes, and who didn’t deserve to earn a gold medal with an asterisk.
Nor was any of this fair to Shaun White, who, in the middle of the chaos, took the final competitive run of his career. The 35-year-old finished off the podium in fourth, but at the bottom of the halfpipe, when he took off his helmet and wiped tears from his eyes, his competitors gave him a rousing round of applause.
His milestone, however, was overshadowed by the scoring kerfuffle.
Thankfully, with one round of runs to go, the judges had a chance to fix the error—and restore their credibility, which Richards cautioned would be “grenaded” otherwise.
Hirano shouldn’t have had to do the hardest halfpipe run ever landed for a second time, but he did it—even bigger and better. He started with the frontside triple 1440 truck driver into a with a cab double 1440 Weddle, and then finished with the same run he’d done before: frontside double 1260, backside double 1260 Weddle, frontside double 1440 tailgrab.
The judges, intentionally or not, had issued a challenge to Hirano to go bigger. He responded by putting down a run we may not see again in competitive snowboarding for years.
Hirano’s second run earned a 96 (which, again, seems a point or two too low), and everyone breathed a sigh of relief. The event ended up with the correct podium: Hirano, gold; James, silver; and Switzerland’s Jan Scherrer, who put down the best run of his career, bronze.
Written appeals to upgrade medals can be filed within 15 minutes following competitions. We’ll never know if Hirano would have appealed the result should he have ended up with silver. But the court of public opinion was clearly in his favor.
At X Games, through an interpreter, Hirano told me, “I don''t feel any pressure because I am always focused on just my run and to improve each run. I just compete with myself, not the other people.”
On Thursday night, he had to compete with the judges.
He won.

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2021majia
至少日本人最后还是拿了金牌,苏翊鸣找谁说理去
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2021majia
以后只能多找些裁判,本国选手出场时自动回避
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Cumberbitch
这就算justice了嘛,那还不是日本人愤怒💢争气了,如果日本人气疯了第三滑出错,他不就白白被黑了嘛 为了本国名次黑心🖤压分裁判应该丢license禁赛才算justice吧
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momoc
可以还苏翊鸣金牌吗
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2021majia
还是苏翊鸣更惨,东道主主场比赛还被黑了
慧慧妈妈在洛杉矶
苏翊鸣是真的惨,太可怜了。
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ciaociaociao
小苏的教练还给大家发公开信,让别再因为这事儿批评裁判了。估计也是怕得罪裁判以后更被压分。
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bigbigfacecat
这裁判组难道不是歧视黄种人? 真是气人
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kinston
这裁判组难道不是歧视黄种人? 真是气人

bigbigfacecat 发表于 2022-02-11 02:05

玩单板但不是单板资深观众。据其他人说,作为亚洲实力最强的日本队,在比赛中长期被压分,裁判偏见严重。
今天比赛肉眼可见的巨大优势,但在裁判那居然出现89分到95分的偏差。这个项目在亚洲日本一枝独秀,没其他亚洲国家裁判,所以他们打的最高分被轻易去掉,基本由美欧裁判说了算。
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cheshirekat
跟抓膝盖一样,裁判可能又说因为他们没有重放看,比电视机屏幕前的观众条件还差,所以triple cork看成double。。。 平野步梦简直是机器。五跳中第一跳就上最难动作挺少见的,而且他后面动作也不简单。然后居然每轮都重复了一遍这个路数。
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2021majia
这裁判组难道不是歧视黄种人? 真是气人

bigbigfacecat 发表于 2022-02-11 02:05

极限运动的确是白人的天下,白人裁判给亚裔压分真的是明目张胆,大概是欺负东亚人性格含蓄不会闹。
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moennigk
这个日本选手真是强势碾压,一次打分憋屈第二次滑得更牛,裁判太黑!太差劲了。
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mfc
裁判这个行业应该用AI来取代。
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2021majia
这个日本选手真是强势碾压,一次打分憋屈第二次滑得更牛,裁判太黑!太差劲了。

moennigk 发表于 2022-02-11 02:18

难怪我看他最后赢了脸上一点喜悦的表情都没有,估计憋着一口气呢
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kinston
难怪我看他最后赢了脸上一点喜悦的表情都没有,估计憋着一口气呢
2021majia 发表于 2022-02-11 02:22

在赛后接受采访时平野步梦说:   “对第二轮分数不能接受,第三轮也是带着对压分的愤怒上场加成的表现”。
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colormdy
跟抓膝盖一样,裁判可能又说因为他们没有重放看,比电视机屏幕前的观众条件还差,所以triple cork看成double。。。 平野步梦简直是机器。五跳中第一跳就上最难动作挺少见的,而且他后面动作也不简单。然后居然每轮都重复了一遍这个路数。
cheshirekat 发表于 2022-02-11 02:15

众所周知,盲人不能当裁判
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ocmom
Todd Richards解说的时候,太可爱了!也很专业!
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luluaaa
美国裁判应该是想保保Shaun White的铜牌 后来看保不住了 就放开打分了
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sandasue
跟抓膝盖一样,裁判可能又说因为他们没有重放看,比电视机屏幕前的观众条件还差,所以triple cork看成double。。。 平野步梦简直是机器。五跳中第一跳就上最难动作挺少见的,而且他后面动作也不简单。然后居然每轮都重复了一遍这个路数。
cheshirekat 发表于 2022-02-11 02:15

这他妈要不是故意黑就怪了。太不要脸了。 这些雪板技巧运动扯什么不在乎输赢啊,亲如兄弟啊,我呸,是只有白人间亲如兄弟吧。赤裸裸的种族主义展现在世界观众面前,裁判互相勾结捧臭脚,真恶心。 照顾老番茄,这是对老番茄的侮辱,对这运动的侮辱。
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sandasue
这就算justice了嘛,那还不是日本人愤怒💢争气了,如果日本人气疯了第三滑出错,他不就白白被黑了嘛 为了本国名次黑心🖤压分裁判应该丢license禁赛才算justice吧
Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-02-11 01:45

这种裁判不被网爆谁该被网爆!
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sandasue
Todd Richards解说的时候,太可爱了!也很专业!
ocmom 发表于 2022-02-11 02:32

他真是有正义感啊,好样的!
糖小蛮
充分说明这运动水多深 明目张胆奥运会黑运动员 还两次
雁过
感觉这次冬奥会平静的水面底下真是刀光剑影啊。 又是裁判不公,又是嗑药,今年还多了covid.
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pqrs
这就算justice了嘛,那还不是日本人愤怒💢争气了,如果日本人气疯了第三滑出错,他不就白白被黑了嘛 为了本国名次黑心🖤压分裁判应该丢license禁赛才算justice吧
Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-02-11 01:45

希望以后能对给分机制有些更客观的进步吧。像短道速滑就是平昌之后,规定了很多细则加摄像头
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2021majia
充分说明这运动水多深 明目张胆奥运会黑运动员 还两次
糖小蛮 发表于 2022-02-11 07:03

这些裁判之前自己就是玩单板的吧,素质堪忧啊
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Laker_2486
这个项目再这么下去,以后会出现asian helps asian吧。
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2021majia
这个项目再这么下去,以后会出现asian helps asian吧。
Laker_2486 发表于 2022-02-11 12:58

怎么help?裁判里只有一个日本人
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kinston
这些裁判之前自己就是玩单板的吧,素质堪忧啊
2021majia 发表于 2022-02-11 12:43

长期对亚洲人有偏见,欧美裁判抱团歧视的结果。
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NataliePortman
之前为裁判洗地的不是有一种说法,苏翊鸣是去年12月才崭露头角的,此前寂寂无名,所以裁判才没准备好他会上台子,死命压他保别人。可是这个日本人都两届亚军了,成名已久,裁判还敢这么明目张胆的黑他,明显是欺负歧视亚裔。不发声,不反抗,怎么可能改变处境,赢得公正待遇?
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Laker_2486
回复 24楼雁过的帖子
冬奥会本来就没有夏奥会公平,都是传统优势国家垄断的。
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Laker_2486
回复 28楼2021majia的帖子
慢慢就多了,亚洲这些运动毕竟发展晚
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liumajia
这就算justice了嘛,那还不是日本人愤怒💢争气了,如果日本人气疯了第三滑出错,他不就白白被黑了嘛 为了本国名次黑心🖤压分裁判应该丢license禁赛才算justice吧
Cumberbitch 发表于 2022-02-11 01:45

说得对,我喜欢Shaun White,他本来也有第三跳可以拼一下,但是做第二个动作的时候就失误了。Halfpipe太容易失误了,女子Chloe Kim也是第一跳成功,后面两次都失误,而且她第三跳已经知道自己是金牌,在完全没有压力的情况下跳的,还是出现了失误,所以这种裁判太黑了,日本选手实力很强也很幸运。
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zzsummer
那个日本人真的挺厉害的!实力太强了!
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Seeking668
给美国的解说点赞,能仗义执言,裁判恶心
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GABA
Todd Richards解说的时候,太可爱了!也很专业!
ocmom 发表于 2022-02-11 02:32

分数出来NBC解说TODD先是不敢相信, 然后就是愤怒, NBC赶快掐了放广告, 广告放完TODD还是难压愤怒,继续抱不平。
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Ruth
说得对,我喜欢Shaun White,他本来也有第三跳可以拼一下,但是做第二个动作的时候就失误了。Halfpipe太容易失误了,女子Chloe Kim也是第一跳成功,后面两次都失误,而且她第三跳已经知道自己是金牌,在完全没有压力的情况下跳的,还是出现了失误,所以这种裁判太黑了,日本选手实力很强也很幸运。
liumajia 发表于 2022-02-11 14:32

Kim二三跳都是冲1260失败的,要不是一跳高分,二跳不会冲的。她三跳可以玩的,已经拿到金牌,只是想再冲一下。
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Ruth
Nbc还可以啊,特别打出来细分给大家看美国裁判的小心思。
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2021majia
给美国的解说点赞,能仗义执言,裁判恶心
Seeking668 发表于 2022-02-11 15:11

裁判也是美国的
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cheesecakefun
真的,AI加进来吧,要不这种对选手太不公平。心疼小苏。
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sandasue
再看一遍还是这么生气。那个日本人真是太坚强了,面对这么黑的裁判,这么不公平的打分,居然能够把愤怒转化成动力再次成功,这是什么钢铁神经啊。 死裁判,彻底毁了比赛,搞得老番茄最后一场比赛结果那么丑陋。
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betterme
裁判赶紧换一批吧
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kinston
Nbc还可以啊,特别打出来细分给大家看美国裁判的小心思。
Ruth 发表于 2022-02-11 15:48

这细分不是nbc放出来的
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juicecocktail
这细分不是nbc放出来的
kinston 发表于 2022-02-12 00:40

我看的NBC,看到细分了。
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lovejames
这确实是赤果果的种族歧视了,亚洲裁判没有势力, 完全就是欧美裁判想给谁牌子给谁牌子,。 这里赞一下NBC在态度上至少公正的指出裁判问题。
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borabora
就是对亚洲人的压分, 很多裁判骨子里就觉得这是白人的领域, 对日本选手的压分太明显了, 第一个跳的日本选手Kaishu Hirano跳的很好裁判才给了75分, 其它白人选手这个难度完成度都是85分左右, 因为没有绝对优势, 只能吃哑巴亏。 最后拿金牌的Ayumu Hirano是完成triple cork 1440 halfpipe 这个难度的历史上第一个人,裁判还是无耻的压分,让所有人都气氛, 最后第三跳选手还是成功完成了,裁判们面对外界的压力才不得已给了高分。 对中国选手苏翊鸣也是同样的伎俩, 只可惜最后苏翊鸣没有拿到justice
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borabora
我看的NBC,看到细分了。
juicecocktail 发表于 2022-02-12 01:11

NBC 其他的选手的都没有放裁判细分的分数, 因为这个日本选手得分太不公平了,也有可能是Todd Richards 的愤怒才放的这个选手的二跳三跳的细分
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jeso1
就是对亚洲人的压分, 很多裁判骨子里就觉得这是白人的领域, 对日本选手的压分太明显了, 第一个跳的日本选手Kaishu Hirano跳的很好裁判才给了75分, 其它白人选手这个难度完成度都是85分左右, 因为没有绝对优势, 只能吃哑巴亏。 最后拿金牌的Ayumu Hirano是完成triple cork 1440 halfpipe 这个难度的历史上第一个人,裁判还是无耻的压分,让所有人都气氛, 最后第三跳选手还是成功完成了,裁判们面对外界的压力才不得已给了高分。 对中国选手苏翊鸣也是同样的伎俩, 只可惜最后苏翊鸣没有拿到justice
borabora 发表于 2022-02-12 01:44

真能扯,苏翊鸣打分是不一样问题,最后跳跃给的都是9分和10分。
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borabora
真能扯,苏翊鸣打分是不一样问题,最后跳跃给的都是9分和10分。

jeso1 发表于 2022-02-12 01:51

嗯嗯, 你不能扯
head judge 已经承认苏翊鸣那场比赛打分错误了
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/head-winter-olympic-judge-admits-error-cost-china-snowboarder-gold-2022-2%3famp

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sandasue
嗯嗯, 你不能扯
head judge 已经承认苏翊鸣那场比赛打分错误了
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/head-winter-olympic-judge-admits-error-cost-china-snowboarder-gold-2022-2%3famp


borabora 发表于 2022-02-12 02:07

苏翊明的教练队当时如果抗议要求录像回放可以吗,多角度回放?如果日本人第三跳砸了,第二跳要求录像回放重新打分可以吗?不可以这就是规则漏洞给裁判舞弊提供方便。都什么年代了摄像头那么多,连足球都搞录像回放了
马家majia
玩单板但不是单板资深观众。据其他人说,作为亚洲实力最强的日本队,在比赛中长期被压分,裁判偏见严重。
今天比赛肉眼可见的巨大优势,但在裁判那居然出现89分到95分的偏差。这个项目在亚洲日本一枝独秀,没其他亚洲国家裁判,所以他们打的最高分被轻易去掉,基本由美欧裁判说了算。
kinston 发表于 2022-02-11 02:11

89-96
仔细看了分数,几轮下来日本和瑞典打分看起来公平。第一跳摔了就给了最低分。第二跳日本才给95,瑞典就给96。第三跳97和98。不知道是不是这俩国关系不错
瑞士和加拿大才暗搓搓,摔了就给高分,人家完美一跳就给超低分。
马家majia
真能扯,苏翊鸣打分是不一样问题,最后跳跃给的都是9分和10分。

jeso1 发表于 2022-02-12 01:51

苏宇鸣被压分然后得金牌那个被加分,前后一搞金牌就丢了
新来的小兔子
我看了比赛,日本选手真的超级棒,打分最低的是美国的,被去掉了。
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雷鬼头造型的日本选手平野步梦,昨天击败本届奥运落幕就要退休的美国传奇名将怀特(Shaun White)及其他参赛者,在男子半管赛项目封王,不过他可是从落后最后才逆转胜。 平野步梦表示,他「愤怒」而且「不解」,为何他第2轮震惊全场的表现没有获得拔得头筹的排名,并且在今天疾呼大刀阔斧改革评判体制。 这位现年23岁的金牌得主说:「我们需要完善的标准,并且我认为我们应仔细审视,裁判们到底在看什么。对于选手而言,大家都全力以赴,都豁出去了,因此以参赛者的立场而论,我认为有必要采取若干措施,解决有关于裁判的问题。」 他要求建置「更健全的体制」,并说他认为评判标准「莫衷一是」。 他说,半管赛的自由感是「吸引人的原因」,但这项比赛需要更严谨的架构。 他说:「令人惊叹、如何能感动观众的表现,也非常重要。不过在奥运赛事,就幅度与抓地力而论,我们需要精准测量和精准估算与给分。」 这是平野步梦第3度挑战冬季奥运,之前参加2014与2018年冬奥都是镀银。 平野步梦也曾参加去年东京夏季奥运的男子滑板公园赛,但未进决赛。
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