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永远21岁的朱令 ( 转) 感谢这位海外的友人把朱妈妈的信件转发给我，jeanne在回国的时候曾经去探望过朱令 并给令令送去一个大花篮，这是朱妈妈给jeanne的一封感谢回信： Dear Jeanne: 昨晚，令令很高兴，露出久违的笑脸。Sarah 寄的一蓝水果及时收到。真让你们费心了。谢谢大家！ 附上一张照片，是你送给令令的大花篮和她的合影。 朱明新 ZHU mama, Sarah has ordered a fruit basket for Lingling's birthday for the helpzhuling foundation, it should arrive soon. Jeanne 朱妈妈曾经并不准备帮令令过太隆重的生日，因为令令今年已经33岁，而她的印象却仍然停留在21岁时的清华。妈妈很担心会刺激到令令。 从现在开始，美丽的令令在我的心中将永远是21岁。
> overtime > on Friday. Well, the vacation is over, indeed. > > Anyway, Gang and I will do some more literature > search, and hopefully come up with something useful. > > Just now, Gang is talking with someone we don't know > on the phone. looks like the situation is really bad > now, they dig out everything about us, they know our > home phone number, address, where we work, even know > we came back to US on Jan. 9 (Belle doesn't even > know > that!). what worries me now is that wangqi and jinya > won't be hidden for long. Anyway, we all need to be > prepared for the worst. > > Sun xiaozhu, did you post another statement on the > internet around Jan. 8? are you solicting the > engagement of police system? I need to know what > your > position is. Could you forward that statement to me > and Gang? > > Talk to you later. I may need to give you a call > some > time. should I still use your parents' number? > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hanlin, > > I just found today on Sina, in Wu Hong fei's blog, > > she > > reported Zhu's case, and in the reply, i find > > somebody > > pretending to be Xue Gang as well. > > > > 回复 网易网友(222.32.112.*): > > > 清华物化2班的的朱令的同学们，你们真的就都是些自私自利见利忘义的小人？就没有一个 > > > 象贝志成那样敢于说话吗？这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清 > > > 华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是 > > > 清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！！！！！清华的同学门，你们还有良心 > > 吗，不做噩梦吗？？？？ > > > > > 我是物化2班的团支书，我真的不忍心看到有关朱朱的所有东西，这些年来我一直生活在自责于内疚之中，我不知道我该怎么做，其实这件事要真的查出真相一点都不难，国务院督办！我能说的就是当年朱朱第二次中毒孙维被传的时候，院领导和系部召开了一次很秘密的会议，我是唯一一个参加会议的在校学生，也许他们知道通知我开会是个很大的错误，当中讲了一会儿的时候系主任叫我回去了，但我在我所在场的18分钟内，我已经知道内容大概了，我的任务是事件保密和按护全班同学，不准单独核查和不准猜测议论，在会议中提到是孙主席指示的，而且有关方面在为维维准备出国手续，后来我知道是孙浮林。 > > > 到这里大家心理也很清楚，这件事如果中央不出面的话，在中国目前这个体制里，朱朱事件只有沉冤！！！光凭一个贝志诚是不够的。 > >
> 这些年我没有站出来，我有我的苦衷，包括我们2班所有同学。我们经常会收到拿我们自己性命和家人性命以及工作等等相关的威胁！株连九族大家或许只在电视上见过，可这些随时可以发生在我们2班同学身上。 > > > > > 我希望中央能真的重视这个案件，还朱朱一个公道。就是高院和高检都没办法的，只有中央！！！ > > > > > > So you couple are both used :-P > > > > Kidding, I think now the situation is really very > > bad. > > People are much worse than I thought. But in stead > > of > > getting angry, like couple of weeks ago, I feel > > amused, strange hum? These people are too dirty > for > > me > > to be angry with them :) > > > > So girls, i think we don't need further clarify > > things > > on internet, unless something really important > > pop-up > > -- I doubt though. Anyway, my family is > monitering. > > So let's live our normal life. > > If for something I need help, i will shout :-) > > > > So basically, the help I needed from you all: > > 1. Paper related: Ya and Hanlin couple -- "tasks" > > already sent in another mail :-P > > > > 2. the supporting letter I previously sent out -- > > less > > urgent than above paper, so take your time :-) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:08:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]> CC: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
You know what? This morning my professor, in surprise, showed me an anonymous email saying I am a suspect of a poisoning case and asking for my contact address. (email address is a newly registered "zhu guan" and the [email protected], guess should be 朱关 and 关心朱令). I guess this should be from a person who know I am the roommate. The good point is they don't know I am still in the same lab (since the lab's homepage doesn't include my name), or they may be more crazy to do something. My professor of course thinks it's ridiculous and trusts me, dont worry. Things are getting so messy, I also read a guy pretending to be qizi, while giving the Ph.D thesis title of that male wangqi's to prove he/she is real wangqi. Faint to death. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu, > > Don't feel bad, I was digged out mainly because of > Gang, as the wife of Zhi1 Shu1. And like you said, > it > made me feel much safer than you guys because I am > in > US, they can't do much about me. If there were > anything outrageous happened, I could seek law > enforcement. Looks like now they think WQ and I live > in the same room with you, so yazi may be safe for a > while. It was our careless mistake that we didn't > change our phone number after we move to the current > address. We thought it would be easier for the > people > we knew to keep in touch with us. Well, guess what! > Anyway, I have a caller id at home, so I can filter > calls and won't take unrecognized calls. > > FYI, here is my contact information: > > Home phone: (860) 437-7804 > Cell: (860) 235-0671 > Gang's cell: (860) 912-5392 > > During my working hours (your night time), you may > want to send emails to my pfizer email: > [email protected], so I can get it instantly. I > don't check my personal email that often at work. > > TAKE CARE, > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]> CC: [email protected]
Hanlin So so so sorry to make you all famous! :-( Be really careful, those people can do anything. Digging out the info is 1st step, next they may do things more mean. Like Jinya's boss got the anonymos letter saying she was the suspect! You & Gang need to be very careful, especially you, as somebody think you were the roommate. Maybe you want to inform your boss ahead? If he/she knows about cultural revolution, it's easier for them to understand, like Ya's boss. Anyway, you decide yourself, but just get prepared... Don't be chou4 mei3 about the comment of being "Liang4 li4" :-P They won't stop doing mean things simply because you are "Liang4 Li4". BTW, maybe you want to share with us your "liang li" picture in high-school? I haven't seen it before :-) I also remembered I saw somewhere people found out the amount of Gang's denate to ZhuLing and people are spreading virus words, saying it's too little etc. I was sooo furious! How ugly people are!! Recently I'm always surprised about this topic :( Back to your question, according to media, it's lethal, I mean dose in ZL's blood. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu, > > I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE) > from > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > references > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > couple of papers of interest through our > inter-library > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > striking information was obtained. The patients > cited > in most papers were administrated and treated in > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal. >
> Yazi, > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I > can > only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I > need to have the list of your hit references (was it > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at > work > and do searches. > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse > search and find my current home address, my pictures > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title, > and even attached a satillite map of my house from > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So, > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl, > as > I was told someone has already digged out your > picture > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > even > know where it is. :-) > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me > posted for anything new. > > Take care, all piglets. > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>
Oh, yes? Somebody digged out my photo from my lab's homepage? I am sure it was removed last year after the previous scholarship ended. So somebody saved the old page even that early? I am somewhat shocked. En, anyway, though I am sure they won't saying me "liang4 li4", don't say me "man3 lian3 heng2 rou4" like poor sun niangzi, :)). About the format of list of my hit references, the format I saved can't be open in ur office? If you mean the 200 papers' (the first 10 pages of my searching hits) info., I am attaching it here the txt format file, though many of them are not very useful. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu, > > I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE) > from > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > references > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > couple of papers of interest through our > inter-library > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > striking information was obtained. The patients > cited > in most papers were administrated and treated in > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal. > > Yazi, > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I > can > only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I > need to have the list of your hit references (was it > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at > work > and do searches. > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse > search and find my current home address, my pictures > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title, > and even attached a satillite map of my house from > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So, > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl, > as > I was told someone has already digged out your > picture > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > even > know where it is. :-) > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me > posted for anything new. > > Take care, all piglets. > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >
attach16_by_jinya_list in txt.txt Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:55:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>
hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really "capable" of digging out others' privacy. I found they deduced me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, :) http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 (except my publication list only gives those rubbish ones I wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when u read. by the way, I saw: 『天涯杂谈』 暂停“朱令铊中毒事件”讨论的通知 作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“朱令铊中毒事件”话题暂停讨论，敬请各位网友配合。
特此通知 2006-1-19 -------------------------------- So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really hope so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say something. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu, > > I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE) > from > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > references > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > couple of papers of interest through our > inter-library > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > striking information was obtained. The patients > cited > in most papers were administrated and treated in > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
[1] 金亚 温涛 王义明 罗国安集成毛细管电泳芯片（微流控芯片）系统的检测器研究和应用 Development and Application of the Detection Technologies of Integrated Capillary Electrophoresis Chips 现代科学仪器 MODERN SCIENTIFIC INSTRUMENTS
2001 No.4 P.15-17
作者简介：金亚,1975年生,女,清华大学97级博士生.
作者单位：金亚（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
温涛（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
王义明（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
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[2] 金亚 罗国安 王如骥 集成毛细管电泳芯片研究进展 色谱 CHINESE JOURNAL OF CHROMATOGRAPHY
2000 Vol.18 No.4 P.313-317
作者简介：金 亚（1975-），女，博士研究生；罗国安（1946-），男，教授，博士生导师。
金亚（清华大学化学系，北京 100084）
罗国安（清华大学化学系，北京 100084）
王如骥（清华大学化学系，北京 100084）
[3] 金亚 罗国安微流控芯片中超微电极的制作及其在芯片-电化学检测中的应用 Fabrication of the Microfluidic Chips with Integrated Ultra-micro Electrodes and Its Application in On-chip Electrochemical Detection 高等学校化学学报 CHEMICAL JOURNAL OF CHINESE UNIVERSITIES 2003 Vol.24 No.7 P.1180-1184
> > Yazi, > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I > can > only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I > need to have the list of your hit references (was it > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at > work > and do searches. > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse > search and find my current home address, my pictures > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title, > and even attached a satillite map of my house from > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So, > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl, > as > I was told someone has already digged out your > picture > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > even > know where it is. :-) > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me > posted for anything new. > > Take care, all piglets. > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]> CC: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]> From: [email protected] View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:39:51 +0800
Dear meizi, I have not noticed what you wrote in the following e-mail. I just noticed tianya has banned this topic. It made me happy because some id is really mean and the discussion is absolutely bullshit and nonsense. These days I am a little busy so not to talk with you by msn, sorry for it. Also sorry for niangzi that I didn't help in looking through the documents. :( Talk to you later. TAKE CARE, PIGLETS! Gao
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hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really "capable" of digging out others' privacy. I found they deduced me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, :) http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 (except my publication list only gives those rubbish ones I wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when u read. by the way, I saw: 『天涯杂谈』 暂停“朱令铊中毒事件”讨论的通知 作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“朱令铊中毒事件”话 题暂停讨论，敬请各位网友配合。
特此通知 2006-1-19 -------------------------------- So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really hope so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say something. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu, > > I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE) > from > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > references > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > couple of papers of interest through our > inter-library > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > striking information was obtained. The patients > cited > in most papers were administrated and treated in > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal. > > Yazi, > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I > can > only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I > need to have the list of your hit references (was it > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at > work > and do searches. > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse > search and find my current home address, my pictures > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title, > and even attached a satillite map of my house from > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So, > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl, > as > I was told someone has already digged out your > picture > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > even > know where it is. :-) > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me > posted for anything new. > > Take care, all piglets. > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>
It's a surprise to see Jin Niangzi have actually published so many papers!! :-) Surprise surprise, I thought she only spend the time playing around in Tsinghua :-D BTW, Niangzi, your picture from lab is quite good looking :-) Absolutely not "man3 lian3 heng2 rou4" like me :"( Yesterday I still saw a lot of posts on Tianya, and people are again posting my previous work and my parents home etc. To be frank I don't know why Tianya suddenly stopped. I don't think it's police, cos in Sina and many other sites it's still very hot. Why they only stop Tianya then? If, IF, it's really Gong An, want to carm down this thing, they again proved themselves to be stupid, only find Tianya and ignored other sites? As stupid as before when they are investigating Zhu Ling's case! Anyway, TAKE CARE all! Wei --- Jin Ya <[email protected]> wrote: > hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really "capable" > of digging out others' privacy. I found they > deduced > me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, :) > http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 (except > my > publication list only gives those rubbish ones I > wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when u > read. > > by the way, I saw: > > 『天涯杂谈』 暂停“朱令铊中毒事件”讨论的通知 > > > 作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00 > > 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“朱令铊中毒事件”话题暂停讨论，敬请各位网友配合。 > > > > 特此通知 > 2006-1-19 > -------------------------------- > > So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really > hope > so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say > something. > > --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sun Xiaozhu, > > > > I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE) > > from > > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > > references > > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > > couple of papers of interest through our > > inter-library > > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > > striking information was obtained. The patients > > cited > > in most papers were administrated and treated in > > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for > > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose > in > > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out > > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal. > > > > Yazi, > > > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I > > can > > only open them at home (which doesn't help much). > I > > need to have the list of your hit references (was > it > > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at > > work > > and do searches. > > > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I > am > > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > > shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse > > search and find my current home address, my > pictures > > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer > title, > > and even attached a satillite map of my house from > > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the > bright > > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the > > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So, > > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 > girl, > > as > > I was told someone has already digged out your > > picture > > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > > even > > know where it is. :-) > > > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is > now > > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep > me > > posted for anything new. > > > > Take care, all piglets. > > > > Hanlin > > > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: [email protected], "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>
The topic is still hot in sina and other websites ? fuuuuuuuuu, disappointed. I thought a big action will be made by our police uncles, :(, seems they are really nuts. Thanks for comforting~~~, belle and niangzi, but really, ignore those stupid publications, every chinese papers I wrote was rubbish, :P (wang xiaozhu will understand immediately :)) ) You take care, too! Have a good weekend! --- [email protected] wrote: > I have looked through that article just now and > agree with Sun xiaozhu. > Hehe, the picture looks nice. > > Actually, the information they digged out let me > know you are so excellent! > Cheers! :) > > TAKE CARE, ALL! > > Gao > > > > > > Yes No > > <sunweihere@yahoo > > .com> > To > Jin Ya > <[email protected]>, > 01/20/2006 02:20 Hanlin Li > <[email protected]>, Fei > PM Gao > <[email protected]>, > Hanlin Li > <[email protected]>, Qi > Wang > <[email protected]> > > cc > > > > Subject > Re: BTW, pls > include xxx for this > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a surprise to see Jin Niangzi have actually > published so many papers!! :-) Surprise surprise, I > thought she only spend the time playing around in > Tsinghua :-D > > BTW, Niangzi, your picture from lab is quite good > looking :-) Absolutely not "man3 lian3 heng2 rou4" > like me :"( > > Yesterday I still saw a lot of posts on Tianya, and > people are again posting my previous work and my > parents home etc. To be frank I don't know why > Tianya > suddenly stopped. I don't think it's police, cos in > Sina and many other sites it's still very hot. Why > they only stop Tianya then? If, IF, it's really Gong > An, want to carm down this thing, they again proved > themselves to be stupid, only find Tianya and > ignored
> other sites? As stupid as before when they are > investigating Zhu Ling's case! > > Anyway, TAKE CARE all! > > Wei > > --- Jin Ya <[email protected]> wrote: > > > hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really > "capable" > > of digging out others' privacy. I found they > > deduced > > me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, > :) > > http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 > (except > > my > > publication list only gives those rubbish ones I > > wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when > u > > read. > > > > by the way, I saw: > > > > 『虂E脑犹浮?暂停“謥E丒柚卸臼录碧致鄣耐ㄖ?> > > > > > 作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00 > > > > > 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“謥E丒柚卸臼录被?> 题暂停讨论，敬莵E魑煌雅浜稀?> > > > > > > > 特此通知 > > 2006-1-19 > > -------------------------------- > > > > So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really > > hope > > so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say > > something. > > > > --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sun Xiaozhu, > > > > > > I've searched a different database > (OVID/MEDLINE) > > > from > > > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > > > references > > > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > > > couple of papers of interest through our > > > inter-library > > > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > > > striking information was obtained. The patients > > > cited > > > in most papers were administrated and treated in > > > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored > for > > > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose > > in > > > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure > out > > > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal. > > > > > > Yazi, > > > > > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, > I > > > can > > > only open them at home (which doesn't help > much). > > I > > > need to have the list of your hit references > (was > > it > > > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them > at > > > work > > > and do searches. > > > > > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I > > am > > > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > > > shocked at their "capability", they did a > reverse > > > search and find my current home address, my > > pictures > > > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer > > title, > > > and even attached a satillite map of my house > from > > > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the > > bright > > > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as > the > > > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? > So, > > > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 > > girl, > > > as > > > I was told someone has already digged out your > > > picture > > > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > > > even > > > know where it is. :-) > > > > > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is > > now > > > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, > keep > > me > > > posted for anything new. > > > > > > Take care, all piglets. > > > > > > Hanlin > > > > > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > === message truncated === Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]> CC: [email protected]
Hanlin, I VERY VERY much agree with you: I always talk with xxx, how ugly human nature can be when they don't need to be responsible! I also talked with my brother about what they did to you, you know what my brother said? He was very angry and said you should claim back the money, including the interest! :-P I fully understand your feeling -- I also feel so discusting when read it. I have to say you are very nice and still think it's not a good idea, if I were you, i will never donate anymore. It's not about the money at all, it's the feeling. I just hate my kindness being USED by ugly people! Hanlin One thing I think we should do now is, I also told other piglets, to collect materials and "evidence" that these people are mad, and they are doing crazy things just to po4 hai4 us. I don't know exactly how are we going to use the material yet, but it doesn't harm to collect it. So could you pls collect these virus message / people/ ID, save the content so that it's readable offline even if they delete it one day, or screenshot as well. For those bad things, i.e., hurting your private life/privacy, work, curse, virus words, so something like saying we are he2 mou2 murdering etc. Collect them now. One good side benifit is that if you think of this purpose, you no longer get angry when reading those posts :-) It works on me quite well :) Again, take care! --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Agree with all, that Yazi's does look great in the > picture, free advertisement! and I wouldn't be > surprised that they find out Yazi is still > available. > :-), so...., Yazi, be prepared to get more love > letters from secret admirers. :-))) > > The two pictures of mine were actully my recent > pictures (2-3 years ago), which I posted onto my > high-school alumni webpage, where the inside and > outside of my house were shown. I know they are > attacking us because they saw the house, that we > work > in a pretigeous pharm., they even estimated our > annual > income, and saying we were donating too little. but > they didn't know we are actually donating annually > through our company's donation program so the fund > org. can get 100% match from Pfizer. But guess what, > I > got so disgusted about the discussion, it actually > made me think that I probably won't donate any more > in > the future. I know it is bad thinking, but I am just > so sick of it. What right do they have to finger > point > us! Forget it!!! > > I think it would be hard for them to find out who my > boss is, because my boss just keeps changing. :-) I > am > going to meet my 5th boss (in 4 years) in the next > month or so. Hopefully, they won't find HR, that's > when I may get into trouble. Anyway, I will be > prepared. These days, my Chinese colleagues keep > asking me, why they are aftering us, what are they > up > to? That's exactly the thing I couldn't understand, > what are they thinking when they do these mean > things, > just for fun? or they really believe they are > someone, > while in reality they are nobody? People! Ugly > people! > > You all take care! > > Hanlin > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hanlin > > So so so sorry to make you all famous! :-( Be > really > > careful, those people can do anything. Digging out > > the > > info is 1st step, next they may do things more > mean. > > Like Jinya's boss got the anonymos letter saying > she > > was the suspect! You & Gang need to be very > careful, > > especially you, as somebody think you were the > > roommate. Maybe you want to inform your boss > ahead? > > If he/she knows about cultural revolution, it's > > easier > > for them to understand, like Ya's boss. Anyway, > you > > decide yourself, but just get prepared... > > > > Don't be chou4 mei3 about the comment of being > > "Liang4 > > li4" :-P > > They won't stop doing mean things simply because > you > > are "Liang4 Li4". > > BTW, maybe you want to share with us your "liang > li" > > picture in high-school? I haven't seen it before > :-) > > I also remembered I saw somewhere people found out > > the > > amount of Gang's denate to ZhuLing and people are > > spreading virus words, saying it's too little etc. > I > > was sooo furious! How ugly people are!! Recently > I'm > > always surprised about this topic :( > > > > Back to your question, according to media, it's > > lethal, I mean dose in ZL's blood. > >
> > --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sun Xiaozhu, > > > > > > I've searched a different database > (OVID/MEDLINE) > > > from > > > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all > > > references > > > don't have full-text available. I've requested a > > > couple of papers of interest through our > > > inter-library > > > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much > > > striking information was obtained. The patients > > > cited > > > in most papers were administrated and treated in > > > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored > for > > > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose > > in > > > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure > out > > > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal. > > > > > > Yazi, > > > > > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, > I > > > can > > > only open them at home (which doesn't help > much). > > I > > > need to have the list of your hit references > (was > > it > > > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them > at > > > work > > > and do searches. > > > > > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I > > am > > > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so > > > shocked at their "capability", they did a > reverse > > > search and find my current home address, my > > pictures > > > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer > > title, > > > and even attached a satillite map of my house > from > > > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the > > bright > > > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as > the > > > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? > So, > > > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 > > girl, > > > as > > > I was told someone has already digged out your > > > picture > > > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't > > > even > > > know where it is. :-) > > > > > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is > > now > > > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, > keep > > me > > > posted for anything new. > > > > > > Take care, all piglets. > > > > > > Hanlin > > > > > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >
3:58 PM | Add a comment | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Blog it 通信之二 --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry, wrong typing, it was "thethruth" to open it > > Merry Xmas! > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Re: to open the 2nd version :( To: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>
Dear Niangzi Your comment is right! 1. For this point, I thought and thought, read and read, have the same feeling as you do, so already deleted from the doc. Although it's true, it will just make it worse if it's from my mouth :( 2.Good point. And I decided to simplify this part greatly to avoid people thinking negatively. 3.Simpson?! Niangzi, you have been abroad for toooooo long! I mean 佘祥林！He was sentensed to death 11 years ago, later changed to Si3 Huan3, cos he was suspected to have killed his wife. But his wife just came back home 11 years later! Have a nice day! --- Jin Ya <[email protected]> wrote: > 娘子， > > 我看过第二版了，再提出几点意见，还是权作参考。 > > 1。 “...朱令也是校社团的积极分子。社团和团委的骨干成员有单独的宿舍楼，不分院系、年级，既没有熄灯和用电限制也不锁楼门，是大家聚会、活动的中心。朱令经常回宿舍很晚。她第一次中毒后返校期间仍然每天中午去社团或团委煎药，据她自己说也有时是别人提前帮她煎好了的。”这一段如果写得再圆滑一点就好了，象加个“举个例子来说”，“比如说”这样的词句。如果我是不知情的人，很可能会觉得你在暗示这个情况和中毒有密切关系，如果不是你的本意的话，可能会有一些反面作用。看你的考虑。 > > 2。你爷爷那一段，我觉得挺好的。不过能不能稍微表达一下你爷爷出身贫寒，自己奋斗成材的意思，反正就是别让人觉得你们家是那种大的“世家”，有很多人罩着的那种。 > > 3。 “前不久的ｘｘｘ杀妻案为什么会被判刑？就是因为“死者”家属有怀疑，而且又找到了一具女尸，看似证据确凿，而ｘｘｘ又拿不出证据证明自己无罪。其实这也是许多未破案件时一些被怀疑人遇到的共同问题。”看到这一段我是想到了你说的应该是"Simpson"的案子，但我的印象不深，google以后才了解了详情和最后判决，但其他人会不会也能立刻想到？不过也许国内新闻曾广泛报道过？另外，我google后的感觉是这个案子实在太复杂了，所以好多人好像还是对Simpson到底杀妻没有心存疑虑。再让你家里人帮你参谋参谋，别起到了反作用。 > > 我觉得你写得挺好的，这些意见都是我尽量站在不知情人的角度上吹毛求疵的结果:)。我和其他小猪的担心一样，写得再好，也会有人故意或不故意地曲解。而且这两天我在想，如果是朱家刻意地散布这些谣言，可能就是为了把你逼出来，现在也算达到了目的了,sigh。不过也没法再躲了。但你一定要做好心理准备，要我们帮忙的尽管说，另外怎么发表，从什么渠道，多少网站开始，还有对可能发生情况的应对（来自朱家，公安什么的），也要做好准备。虽然我知道你家里人和xxx肯定已经帮你想到了，还是忍不住多个嘴:P. > > 好了，正经事说完了，祝各个小猪圣诞快乐，新年好！ > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote: > > > sorry, wrong typing, it was "thethruth" to open it > > > > Merry Xmas!
> > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:56:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: posting plan for you gals... To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "belle gao" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected]
the same password as usual. happy new year!
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Here you go.
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this is what I was working on when Hanlin called. I will reply to Bei's statement first.
So early? I heard qizi said you will go back on Jan. 16th so, I am thinking of calling you this weekend. Sigh! Am I mis-understand? Recently, my colleagues asked me serveral times about Zhuling. It looks the influence of article "Tian Du" is far enough. I didn't tell them I am her classmate. As the looker-on, they are only curious, I think. And I don't want to make more curiosity. :( Gao
Dear piglets, I am back to US now, again, I am having post-vacation trauma. No matter how long I stayed at home, it always seems too short. Qizi, I really miss you. I had so much fun hanging out with you guys. Thank you for the gift, it was really nice of you. And tell P4 I missed him too. hahaha... :-) Sun Xiaozhu, I am really sorry that I didn't really keep up with the progress on internet after I got to Shanghai. I felt really guilty for having fun while you were suffering. So what's new now? any instructions for what's next? Is your life easier after the post? Are you gals still MSN everyday? Hanlin Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: update To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>
Girls I don't know how to express my feeling except by repeating that I'm so moved -- I know I'm not good at expression feelings :-P although I'm good at being ironic :-P Anyway, this is the most memorable "re-union" I had! Hanlin, never feel bad that you enjoyed your life in SH -- we all know it even if you don't say a word :-D -- you are still the same you :-P And I'm still the same me -- I will also enjoy my life -- The more they want to torture me, I more I will live better and enjoy more about life! An update to you all about current situation: Zhu's Mom has started raising this issue to new papers and magazines, and Sina and Sohu reported on the 1st page. I'm pretty sure that she will start to target TV soon. BTW, yesterday the journalist is already calling my parents home (they get the number from Zhu's family) and asked to interview me. My dad rejected, but maybe they will quote my dad's word saying that he rejected to be interviewed etc. Who knows. Now, seriously, I do need your help! Cos I'm prepared either to be exposed by media, or sue them. And I do need your support to clarify something. 1. Zhu's mom told the journalist that I envy her
daughter and 挑拨朱和另一个舍友的关系, don't know who though. So I need the official confirmation from wang qi and jin ya that I never 挑拨你们和朱的关系。of cause she can still insist that her daughter said so, but it will be quite weak, cos if sb want to 挑拨, it should be from both sides. 2. Zhu's mom told skyoneline (in page 20 of my statement) that 我造谣说朱社交广泛 while in fact she was not. I need also the official confirmation from you all, and from your own respect, saying that zhu does have broad social activities, and often doesn't particiapte class activities. belle and Hanlin can also, if you still remember, confirm that zhu is always back to dorm very late, i.e., when we had fun in our dorm after 晚自习, she is normally not there. if you still remember that she sometimes don't even come back,can say it, but if you don't remember, just don't say. Wangqi and Ya, for you two piglets, I need the confirm from your side that she was always back very late, up to 12, and sometimes not coming back at all. I know it's very bad to say it, and that's why in the past we never tell something like this. but now her mother is pushing for this and I simply have no choice at all :-( Could you? 3. Her mom also said to skyoneline that the "coffee cup" Bei described was true! So, need you 2 to confirm again :( I'm very sorry that all these statements have to be with your real name. And I do understand the concern... --- if her family is this mad, they may hate you all as well if you said sth for me and again them. So, absolutely fine if you have the concern. and absolutely if you can't do it :-) Anyway, all the best wishes to of the piglets, and piglets' hbs & bf ：） Wei Subject: Re: update To: "Yes No" <[email protected]> CC: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]> From: [email protected] View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:09:06 +0800
Dear niangzi, And I also notice there is a person who said he/she is your neighborhood and write out your parents' address. Busy day. Write to you later. Gao
网络录像下载:
方式一:
上集 http://www.sendspace.com/file/zgsaih
下集 http://www.sendspace.com/file/ar61fs
方式二:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E6%9C%B1%E4%BB%A4
方式三:
http://huaren.us/u/54b6e944010008l7 另外: 志愿者们给朱令过生日的短片，很感人
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x3G_bZ_z2xY
youtube 上一个志愿者们给朱令过生日的短片，很感人
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x3G_bZ_z2xY
谢谢 下面是转自博客：
http://huaren.us/u/4b57161c010007dr
朱宁。中央电视台《东方时空》编导。
2005年底，他开始采访、拍摄朱令事件。
2006年底，他的纪录片《朱令的12年》在经过一年的拍摄，修改了40几版之后，终于得
以通过审查。
2007年1月22日，《朱令的12年》在中央电视台《东方时空》首播。
在节目播出前，帮助朱令志愿者对朱宁进行了一次访谈，希望可以了解到这部千呼万唤
始出来的纪录片的幕后故事。
Q：请问，你是什么时候第一次听说朱令案的？
A：是1995年底，我从一个朋友那里听说了清华女生铊中毒的事件。当时有很多传言，
就是说那个女孩得了某种无法治愈的怪病。没想到，12年以后，我自己却要作为一名电
视台的编导去亲自讲述这个事件。
Q：你是什么时候接受这个采访任务并开始进行拍摄的？当时，你的拍摄初衷是什么？
那时候想到会拍这么长时间吗？
A：我是在1995年11—12月间接到台里给的这个任务，因为那时互联网上又出现了有关
此事的消息，我们也知道12年来始终有人在关注这个案件，而且《东方时空》当年就做
过有关朱令的片子，曾经报道过这件事，很多当事人，包括贝志城和陈震阳，都接受过
我们的采访。所以，到了2005年下半年，我们就想继续跟踪一下这个案件，看是不是还
有新的内容可以进行报道。
2005年12月，我第一次到了朱家，并着手准备采访和拍摄。但是，我没有想到的是，很
多当事人根本联系不上，或者联系上了，也因为这样那样的原因而无法接受采访，尤其
后来《孙维声明》一出现，互联网上对此事的热炒使许多当事人避之惟恐不及，害怕惹
火烧身。所以，在联系许多重要当事人未果的情况下，我就决定放弃这个选题。但是，
我仍然在关注这个事件，心里的那份牵挂始终放不下，希望自己能为这一家人做点什么。
但是，所谓“山穷水尽，柳岸花明”，奇迹不断会出现在朱令事件中。那时，我想联系
陈震阳教授都没有联系上，因为有谣传说，他已经去世了。直到2006年6月，我想去找
找陈震阳教授的旧照片，结果跟他过去的一位同事联系上了，通过他才知道，陈教授还
健在，并拿到了陈教授的电话号码，很快就联系上了他，于是对陈教授进行了一次非常
成功的采访。此后，事情出现转机，我又联系上了贝志城，对他进行了两天的跟踪拍摄
和采访。再后来，又遇到了帮助朱令的志愿者，并确定了以志愿者为叙述人的采访角度
。我觉得片子终于有戏了，一切变得顺利起来。
但是，在接手拍这个片子的时候，我确实没有想到，拍摄工作会出现那么多复杂的情况
，也没有想到会拖这么长时间。
Q：为什么很多当事人不愿意或者不能接受你的采访呢？
A：首先，我理解他们的选择，因为这是一个悬而未决、没有明确说法的案件。这些当
事人，他们生活在各自的社会环境中，需要对自己和周围的人负责，他们担心自己会说
错话，他们害怕会伤害到他人，所以，很多人宁愿隐藏身份，做些默默无闻的实际工作
。这都是可以理解的。尤其对于那些同学们，就更可以理解他们的犹豫或者沉默。
另外，我对采访对象的底线就是不让他们受到任何伤害。所以，我也会尽量配合采访对
象，对他们进行必要的保护。
Q：在这一年的拍摄过程中，你拍摄了多少小时的素材？修改了多少遍？你以前也遇到
过这种情况吗？
A：我一共采访了9位当事人，拍摄了40几个小时的素材。这个拍摄量远远大于我们平时
制作的片子。因为一般的片子，我们只拍摄5个小时左右的素材就够了。对一个选题进
行这么大量的拍摄，朱令案也是绝无仅有的。修改了多少遍？这个我都已经数不清了，
大概40几遍吧。为了安全播出，后期制作时，我的大量工作都是在对成片进行删改，不
断地删，不断地剪。因为中央电视台作为主流媒体，要对公众负责，对一个尚未有权威
结论的事件，我们需要更加谨慎的态度和立场。
Q：请用五个词来形容你这一整年的拍摄。
A：如果按照时间顺序来说，那就是“吸引”“遗憾”“希望”“沮丧”和“勉强”。
吸引。朱令案对于一个电视台的编导，确实是一个难得的好选题。这个事件虽然不具备
普遍性，只是个偶然事件，却可以从中折射出十分丰富的内涵和主题，包括亲情、友情
、人性的光辉、人性的阴暗。这个事件给人很大的思考空间，有很多值得我们反思的内
容在里面。所以，一开始接手，我就被这个选题吸引住了。
遗憾。虽然这个选题很有吸引力，但是后来很多当事人都联系不上或者不能接受采访，
使我一筹莫展。说心里话，我真的很想尽我所能去为这困难中的家庭做点什么，帮帮他
们，但是，如果没有很好的角度，报道也是徒劳的，我又何必再去触动两位老人本已平
静的生活呢？考虑再三，我后来还是遗憾地决定暂时放一放。
希望。虽然暂时搁置了，但是，我始终都在关注这个事件，也在为采访做着资料上的准
备。直到夏天来的时候，我又联系上了一些重要的采访对象，又看到了希望，觉得这个
片子有戏了，那时真是喜悦之情溢于言表。
沮丧。后来发生了采访素材不能使用，改变采访角度的事情，成片又进行了大量的删改
，那个过程确实令人非常痛苦，非常沮丧。
勉强。经过无数次的删改和剪辑，现在片子终于通过审查可以安全播出了。不过，这个
成片还是很勉强的。首先是我自身知识、经验和阅历的局限，另外，片子的采访也受到
很多外部条件的制约，比如无法采访到很多重要的当事人，还有播出条件的限制，很多
内容和主题都无法充分地表达。所以，从纪录片的角度，这并不是一部令人满意的作品
，但是，当这个片子呈现给观众的时候，如果它能引发大家的思考，它就是有价值的。
Q：我知道，有很多家电视台的记者都曾经来朱家拍摄过，但是后来又都相继放弃，你
也在拍摄过程中遭遇到这么多的困难，那你为什么还要坚持呢？如果再给你一次选择的
机会，你还会拍摄朱令案吗？
A：当然会。其实，当初接手这个选题的时候，我也没有想到会坚持这么久，可是，一
旦进入到这个事件中，我就再也放不下。其实这个事件本身并不特别，但是，它触动到
了我心灵中最柔弱的地方。之所以再次下决心做这个题材，是那天看到了帮助朱令的志
愿者，他们深深地打动了我。说实话，不负责任地在网上发几句牢骚太容易了，可是真
的肯在现实生活中做点事情的人又有几个呢？所以，那天当一位志愿者欣然同意接受我
的采访，我就决定重新拾起这个选题，从志愿者的角度对事件进行新的解读！
我只是做了自己应该做的事情，今后，我还会继续关注朱令，在需要的时候，还会跟踪
拍摄，用我的镜头去记录真相，呈现真相，解读真相。
Q：很多帮助朱令的人都是在网络上凝聚起来的，人们把这个群体叫做网友。后来，是
你第一次赋予这个群体以“志愿者”这个光荣的称号。你怎么解读志愿者在朱令事件中
的作用和意义？
A：志愿者这个群体出现在朱令案中，具有非常重要的意义。它不仅是朱令案的转机，
同时，对于千千万万像朱令一样需要帮助的弱势群体，也是一个转机，甚至对于整个中
国社会，都是一个转机。志愿者是我们这个社会在走向更加民主、更加进步、更加开放
的过程中，必须具有的鲜活力量。志愿者不仅给受害者和受害者家属带去生活的希望和
心灵的慰籍，使无助的人们感受到这个社会的温暖和情义，同时也对事件向前推进发挥
着实际作用。志愿者这个群体在帮助别人的过程中，每个人的身心也得到了净化，所谓
“予人玫瑰，手有余香”。我相信，志愿者们能够通过他们的努力创造奇迹。
Q：请你谈一谈你的采访对象吧。你如何理解他们？
A：每次在采访朱阿姨时，我最大的感受就是她的平静甚至麻木。我理解哀莫大于心死
，她经过这么多年的苦痛，也许只有这种心态才能使她顽强地支撑。吴叔叔倒是个乐天
派，但是，这个乐天派却也有让我动容的时候。记得有一次我在采访中问他，“为什么
贝志城拿来网上求助反馈回来的信件时，你们家属没有对医院坚持要求去做铊中毒检测
？”本来在问这个问题前，吴叔叔还是面带笑容的，但是，当我问到这个问题时，他的
笑容消失了，他停顿了一会儿，眼圈红了。他告诉我，当时看到令令疼得死去活来，那
么痛苦，他们感到特别无措，就是想让医生赶紧想办法去救她，不要让孩子这么遭罪。
说完这话，他的眼里满是泪水。
贝志城也留给我深刻的印象。他具有严重的个人英雄主义情结，他的存在使这个事件具
有强烈的戏剧性。从当年积极推动互联网救助，坚持己见，揭开病情真相的倔强男孩，
到11年后再次挺身而出，仗义执言，掀起互联网缉凶热潮的私企老板，他每一次都在正
确的时间做了正确的事情。他已经成为朱令事件的一个灵魂人物，也是所有帮助朱令志
愿者的一杆旗帜。可以说，贝志城是时势造就的英雄。
陈震阳教授也是朱令案中的一个关键人物。他是一位非常正直、善良、优秀、敬业的学
者。我觉得用再多的溢美之辞去形容他都不过分。12年前，他通过科学、严谨的检测得
出朱令两次中毒的结论，12年后，他在接受我的采访时，面对镜头，更是勇敢地说出他
作为一个研究铊毒的医学专家对这个案件的认识——99. 9%他杀。
Q：纪录片的本质是发掘和还原事实真相，作为这部片子的导演，你最后找到事实真相
了吗？
A：纪录片的真相与一般人所理解的真相是不同的。纪录片要通过独特的角度和大量的
细节去记录真相，呈现真相，解读真相。我们不是要关注事件本身，而是要关注人本身
，要表现人性。我要传递的是事件中的每个人对事件的反应，通过他们的反应，来呈现
人性的不同侧面。比如，我采访志愿者，是希望能通过一个普通人的角度去解读这个事
件。这些普通人的参与可以打动观众，与观众产生情感共鸣。我希望解读他们关注这个
事件背后的原因，解读他们的心路历程，并记录志愿者是如何改变和推动这个事件的。
我采访朱令的同学，从他们的经历可以发掘出更深刻的主题。这些来自五湖四海的孩子
，聚集到北京，聚集到清华，组成一个集体。他们原本要在五年的时间里共同学习、生
活、成长，走过一段人生最美好的青春岁月，但是，一个突发事件彻底地改变了他们这
个集体——一位同学中毒遇害，另一位同学成为犯罪嫌疑人。这个事件，对于那些正值
青春年少的孩子，无疑是个毁灭性的打击，甚至深刻地改变了很多人的一生。现在，事
情过了这么多年，已经过了而立之年的他们如何重新看待那段往事？这个事件对他们的
成长和以后的人生又产生了怎样的影响？他们如何看待自己的生活和人生价值？他们在
过去这些年里都做了什么？这些都是我想关注的。我认为，他们每个人都在经受考验—
—人性、自我、友情、爱情……“痛苦”这个词太薄，对他们远远不够。青春本是人一
生中最蓬勃、最激扬、最闪亮的一段美好时光，但是，对于朱令的同学，他们的青春却
是如此残酷。
Q：在这一年的拍摄过程中，哪些时刻或者镜头使你感动或者震撼？
A：最让我感动的是，朱阿姨带着朱令在小花园里做伸展运动。还有陈震阳教授在对我
讲述铊毒对朱令的侵害时，他说，“她的神经被摧毁了，被彻底摧毁了！”我当时听到
他讲关于铊毒给人体带来的疼痛时，我自己就感到特别疼痛，我想象不出那是一种怎样
的疼痛，这种感觉抓住了我，使我久久不能忘怀。还有一些时刻没有用摄像机记录下来
，但是却也深深地印在了我的脑海里。
其实，朱令事件也深深地改变了我。每个卷入其中的人都在被改变，我们也在尽自己的
努力去改变这个事件。这是我们所怀有的美好愿望罢！
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的肯在现实生活中做点事情的人又有几个呢 赞这句话
谢谢楼上的,也请帮忙spread the news .希望这个节目能让朱令一家知道12年前的校园里到底发生了什么. 你是说希望这个节目本身能透露什么信息，还是说，这个节目能唤起社会的关注？ 我希望能唤起社会的关注使得朱令以及父母得到更过的帮助关心，至于说这个节目播出，能不能重开调查，调查能不能有进展，我不是很乐观，我希望公安部门能够坚持调查下去，cold case10年15年后被冲开调查得到解决的事情也不少，刑侦技术也在不断发展
你是说希望这个节目本身能透露什么信息，还是说，这个节目能唤起社会的关注？ 我希望能唤起社会的关注使得朱令以及父母得到更过的帮助关心，至于说这个节目播出，能不能重开调查，调查能不能有进展，我不是很乐观，我希望公安部门能够坚持调查下去，cold case10年15年后被冲开调查得到解决的事情也不少，刑侦技术也在不断发展 我希望节目能引起社会关注吧. 就象某网友说过的那样, 朱令身体几乎全部被摧毁, 唯有听力完好无损, 上天也该是可怜她, 想让她亲耳听到一些事实吧. 至于其他康复问题, 希望可能不大, 如果少受痛苦可能就稍微好些.
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强烈支持！朱令和她的家人太可怜了，凶手却逍遥法外！我很欣赏贝至诚的勇气和正直。 她们家实在是太不幸了
24日晚上7点，令令戴着生日的小红帽，褪去掉原来磨光起球的毛衣，穿上志愿着特意买来的粉红色羊绒，简朴陈旧的饭桌上芬芳的草莓蛋糕，令令一直摸着牛牛熊，孩子样咧着嘴笑。这是12年来第一个像样的生日。
这个夜，北京落下来第一场冬天的雪。雪花在后半个夜，静悄悄降临。小女孩已经吃过草莓蛋糕，恬恬入睡。 这些年，为了给令令治病，朱家已经倾尽所有。家境清寒。老式杂乱的家属小区，看得出很多年不曾修整，黑白相间的地板已经磨得坑坑哇哇。吴爸爸朱妈妈都是早年的退休职工，仅靠退休金维持令令昂贵的医药费和全家人的生活。年逾古稀的双老是60年代毕业于中国科技大学的研究生。是同班同学。在曾经的报道中，介于一些客观因素，他们一直低调隐藏自己一段光辉的人生历程，吴爸爸朱妈妈在去北京工作前是中国最早的两弹一勋的科技工作者。1964年，中国第一颗原子核裂变的蘑菇云升上戈壁荒漠的时候，吴爸爸朱妈妈正在第一线。很小的时候，朱令姐妹就因父母工作因素无法照料而被寄养别人家。 第一颗原子弹爆炸成功了。幕后的工作者成为罗布泊的第一块奠基石。吴爸爸朱妈妈也渐渐老去。偶尔想起来罗布泊上空那朵璀璨的云，再看看身边每2小时就得收拾一次小大便的女儿，搂着200斤因铊毒侵蚀身体而半深不遂的女儿，年逾花甲的双亲又该如何感概。
几十年戈壁滩上，艰苦卓绝的事业已经彻底磨砺了这对老知识分子的身心。他们12年来捧着一个200斤重的婴儿，捧起宝贝女儿，如同含着珠宝。舔犊情深，那饱经沧桑佝偻的背影打动着我，这一夜，夫妻一直咧嘴笑个不停，掳着粗糙的手切开蛋糕，在网线上无限喜悦告诉那些牵肠挂肚的网友"令令很好，谢谢你们"时，最打动我的竟是他们平淡而低调的坚韧 爱有多深。生有多重。
这个家庭有着太过深重的灾难。上帝有一颗心，还有炯炯的一双慧睛。可是上帝把眼睛瞎掉了，上帝欠这个家庭太多太多。这个世界欠这个家庭太多太多！这个世道欠令令的既是一个公道，也偿还不来。 记起来早晨，和一位媒体的朋友谈及令令要过的生日。谈及天涯杂谈特意给令令制作的生日贺贴，那段令人心酸的音乐。谈及语言在感激面前的苍白无力。这位媒体新闻人，"为了让世界更美好，我们一起努力"。抱着这句话，心一直停滞在天涯令令的生日贴子，那段音乐和生日歌轮番在我冬日冰凉的耳廓荡来回去，我竟几次含泪。
面对天谴，世上好人太多！那么多善良温暖陌生的大手，伸过来，给囝囝握，陪囝囝走，慢慢地陪着你走，慢慢地知道结果，爱没有结束的时候。这里我要给世上一切关爱令令的善良的人们，鞠深深的一躬。 看完新浪首页新闻，新京报新闻，搜狐新闻，网易新闻，以及许多许多对令令生日的报道。回到这里。再贴这些照片的时候，我是有心酸的。看着囝囝满脸红光在烛光里印显，囝囝眼色喜悦单纯如水，小红帽在光线里恍惚摇曳，那张年青的脸本应如花如月，而今却是苍凉如妪。
雪在这个北方的夜沉降而至。雪花浅浅的铺在瓦楞子边沿，并未积雪，门楣子边，那颗芯子里裹着着生日歌的音乐小盒子还在叮当脆响。那些被风霜刮破了脸的窗花，一夜间倒有愈见明亮的曙白。
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附上一张照片，是你送给令令的大花篮和她的合影。
朱明新
ZHU mama,
Sarah has ordered a fruit basket for Lingling's birthday for the helpzhuling
foundation, it should arrive soon.
Jeanne 朱妈妈曾经并不准备帮令令过太隆重的生日，因为令令今年已经33岁，而她的印象却仍然停留在21岁时的清华。妈妈很担心会刺激到令令。 从现在开始，美丽的令令在我的心中将永远是21岁。
tarastone 2006-11-26 06:46
我认为是公安的无能造成现在这样的局面
不知道说什么好 12年就这么过去了 是啊, 12年, 大家都gre, GMAT 出来乐, 她还在生活在旧日的回忆里, 幻想自己某日重返清华校园.
我希望节目能引起社会关注吧. 就象某网友说过的那样, 朱令身体几乎全部被摧毁, 唯有听力完好无损, 上天也该是可怜她, 想让她亲耳听到一些事实吧. 至于其他康复问题, 希望可能不大, 如果少受痛苦可能就稍微好些.
其实，只有听力完好无损也许更是一件痛苦的事情 我奶奶中风之后，半身不遂，说话也不利落，但是大家说什么她听得一清二楚 有的时候，她想说，或者想做什么却有心无力，很痛苦的
《朱令十二年》中, 下集：http://www.cctv.com/video/dongfangshikong/2007/01/dongfangshikong_300_20070123_1.shtml
谢谢
破案了又能怎样呢 12年就这么过去了，如此美好的人、如此美好的青春和前途也完了，
破案了又能怎样呢 12年就这么过去了，如此美好的人、如此美好的青春和前途也完了，
所有录像参考: 《朱令十二年》上集：http://www.cctv.com/video/dongfangshikong/2007/01/dongfangshikong_300_20070122_1.shtml
《朱令十二年》中, 下集：http://www.cctv.com/video/dongfangshikong/2007/01/dongfangshikong_300_20070123_1.shtml
谢谢 看哭了
据说公安早就查清楚了的。就是上面给压着。
据说公安早就查清楚了的。就是上面给压着。
破案了又能怎样呢 12年就这么过去了，如此美好的人、如此美好的青春和前途也完了，
看哭了
方式1 ( so far this appears to be fastest )
上集 http://www.sendspace.com/file/zgsaih
下集 http://www.sendspace.com/file/ar61fs
方式2：
《朱令十二年》上集：http://www.cctv.com/video/dongfangshikong/2007/01/dongfangshikong_300_20070122_1.shtml
《朱令十二年》下集：http://www.cctv.com/video/dongfangshikong/2007/01/dongfangshikong_300_20070123_1.shtml
方式3：
http://huaren.us/u/54b6e944010008l7
youtube 上一个志愿者们给朱令过生日的短片，很感人
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唉，这也太黑了。
你知道吗，天已经很冷了。这一年，每当季节有更替，我心里就有忧伤。我会忽然间不知所措，无法适应忽然降临的春天，浇不灭蒲涌胸口的躁动，不敌负笈背脊的萧瑟秋凉，今天，这个清晨，天已经走到11月的尾尖，风真大啊，扫得我的裤管像一只过场的马灯。我立在斑马线的这边，看斑马线的那边一个摇轮椅等红灯的年青男人，寒风中我忽然一个激灵，感觉已有泪滴落..........我想起了你，令令，这一年，结束了，我很害怕结束。害怕1月16日的来临。害怕改写我生命的这个日子。在一年前的那个日子，我第一次见到你。
你有没有忘记那一个夜，亲爱的，那一个整夜的山坡？那个荒暖如烟的原野？在你的对面，朝那片山花烂漫的桃树林飞奔的女子，她其实就是我。
你怎么没有追过来呢，我看着你笑，我笑着看你。那片瘴气弥漫的湿地隔在我们之间，任由你伸出来拙稚的双手，我拼掉命也拽不住你。你渐渐滑落，渐渐深陷，渐渐跌下深渊........深陷泥土的下半身像陀螺旋转啊旋转，那光秃的头顶渐渐悬成一个耀眼的漩涡，直到天地一片混沌。我两手空空满脸泪垂对着深谷呼唤，你张着嘴，你有心事要与我倾诉，你的张大的嘴就那么空洞洞地张着，无限张大，像一口黑漆漆的古井............可是你直始至终没能吐出一颗完整的字！
你知道，我其实一直在后山等你，我面朝花海，屏心敛气。我是在等你。我等的是你，囡囡。
如果不是这个梦境，也不会有后来我们的相遇。如果没有我们的相遇，也不会有忧伤。
我是个虔诚的佛教徒。对我的梦意有着天性的敬畏之心。从我有记忆的那一天起，我已经懂得梦所带给我的接近于宗教的昭示。
一夜梦境缠绕，头疼欲裂，第二天，我没有上班。呆在网上闲逛。我已经很久很久，不再动笔，我活在旧日时光。非常偶然地，我在天涯头条，看到你。那一瞬我忽然平静。看着那双眼睛，望着那张脸，缠绕于心的积郁瞬间释然，梦境在一点点复苏。
照片上那刻骨铭心的眼神让我一眼就认出你来。令令，照片上的你，除了生出来稀疏的短发如蒿，令你更显孩子的稚态，你和梦境里的囡囡竟没有丝毫分差。
只是后来，后来的梦境里，你的面若桃花逐渐土色，仿佛泥土已经蔓延上来，天色转换，身后有硕大花朵随山风跌落。你的眼珠像两颗黑葡萄，你盯着我，捂紧胸口脸颊殷红，你要我说出你的痛。
你没有喊痛。可是你的眼神令我心痛不止。囡囡。我是知道你的痛的。于是我痛。如若不是你的痛传感到我的神经，我又怎会在沉睡的梦里疼痛呻吟一夜无眠？
那个夜我永生铭记。那是2006年1月16日。
后来我找过许多书，解梦的书，我开始重拾废弃掉2年的笔。我希望可以为自己的疼痛找到一条出路。我深信不疑，囡囡，你的灵魂在那一刻依附我体。囡囡，你要我说出你的苦，囡囡，无数个夜晚孤单一人，我感觉你与我的灵魂在一起。我听得懂你的心事。
囡囡。我们有同样的年龄。曾经一样的青春共同的野心。我们听同一个男人唱恋曲1990，乌溜溜的黑眼珠蓝蓝的白云天轻飘飘的旧时光，一切一切如此忧伤你让我如何有勇气忘记你容颜的转变？
囡囡。我从来不相信你没有记忆，我也从来不相信你已经忘却。我一直坚信你不过是深眠，是沉睡，你婴儿般的笑脸是在给妈妈安慰。囡囡，我知你在一个人的世界里欢喜悲戚，我知你在一个人的仓囤里铭刻爱恨。我亦知你平静看世事变迁望斗转星移。你忍辱含屈12载，你在等待生命之花开遍梦境暗夜里的那个荒原。
囡囡，我给你读一本书，读余华。囡囡，再过几天，就是你的生日，我很穷我很不好我很没有出息挣很多很多的钱买给你好看的好玩的好吃的，囡囡，我就给你读余华好吗？有时候我很恨，恨自己离你太远，恨自己不能乾坤在握撑一把庇护的伞，为你避风遮雨让你远离伤害。恨幽阶一夜，苔生千重，恨不能时光停留永不长大没有心痛没有记忆忘掉屈辱。恨我不能推你轮椅带你喝茶散步晒太阳抚琴吟诗。正如此刻，我恨自己不能坐在你跟前，慢慢地，一句一句，读这本书，读《活着》，亲爱的你听着：不管是屈辱还是风光，我们要活着，你要活着；不管是甜蜜还是酸楚，我们要活着，你要活着；为了爸爸妈妈，我们要活着，你要活着。你一定要活着！活着就有希望。活着就是好，像婴儿一样快乐地活着，像布袋熊一样温暖地活着。像余华说的那样，哪怕像牲口一样活着，坚韧地活着！
我多么喜欢余华啊，因为他这一句话，我一直爱他，你也要爱他。他给了我们所有活下去的信念和理由。囡囡，活着一天，我们就快乐一天，妈妈就满足一天。天空在渐渐的露白，那片荒原已经有幼芽在嚓嚓拔节。因为有爱意滋生，生命才延绵不绝。那些内心的屈辱，滴血的哀恸，要记得。要记得伤害你的人毁灭你的铊摧残你的那双手！要让他活在你蓬勃旺盛的生命脚下，要他在你惊心动魄的生命力里活得胆战心惊魂飞魄散，让他们生生世世记取灵魂的罪恶。待晴方好日，衙门自此朝北开，终有包青公，听得见子民声声啼哭。
亲爱，这一日，请藏起来累累伤痕，让那些走火入魔遁世。
那些内心深处的良知裁定，高标准的神性审判，终将让那些逍遥法外的恶魔生不如死。把那些苦难的理性认识，良知认识和超越认识，都交给上帝吧，这一刻，超越心灵的难度，超越精神的难度，超越灵魂的难度，也超越良知的难度。亲爱，我们点上蜡烛，不要落泪，许一个愿，我们一起听广陵散，唱生日歌。
令令，要学会记忆与遗忘。遗忘绝望的宣判词。摒弃罪恶所带给你的心灵和精神的伤痛。记住罪恶对你肉体和情感的伤害！记住悲剧性的历史事实！记住那一张脸孔那一双罪恶的手！即使正义的来临仅止于一个乌托邦式的幻想，我们也要活到真相昭揭的一日。
令令，原谅我只见刀形，难见锋芒。记得告诉我你的一切。你的寒冷，你的揪心，你的屈辱，你的我都一一记取。记得活下去就是精神能量。相信时间是良知觉悟的代表。过完这个生日，等天气好转，我们去后海，晒太阳。心窝子里那些太过陈旧的东西，也该晒晒了。
记住我们爱你。记住爱我们的妈妈。
爱你的人
2006.冬天.
我不相信这个说法，这12年，社会环境有多大的变化，我不信如果已经有明确刑侦结论，当年能压住，现在还能压得住 如果说，当初因为种种原因没有能够调查下去，证据没有保留好。。。现在调查，随着人事变迁，调查很困难，我觉得这个倒是有可能 是啊，更何况现在中央台都能播出这个节目了，要是公安局有定案了，现在肯定也压不住了。
这就是朱令当年所承受的疼痛。最后铊离子彻底摧毁了她的全部神经系统，没有疼痛，没有触觉，没有，什么也没有。
我很希望凶手能变个好人，能变成跟我们一样有感知的人，让她看到这段话，感知这种非人的折磨和疼痛。
无论是检测者还是医生，当看到这个结果的时候，都惊呼出了“他杀”“他杀”这个字眼。因为，这种折磨太令人痛苦了，即使是自杀，也不会选择这样的方式。令令忍受了很久很久，即使到了以后，她的神经系统全部崩溃融化，再也没有感觉的时候，那记忆中枢最深处停留的有关疼痛的记忆还会时时跳出来折磨她。即使11年后的今天，她已经彻底没有神经系统的感知，她还能含糊地喊出“疼！”其实，她已经不再能感知疼了，但是，疼痛的记忆将伴随着她此后一生。
人对人的折磨和摧残，为什么要如此残酷？人的尊严，对生命的尊重，对生存的敬畏，在施暴者那里，荡然无存。野兽还能比她更残酷吗？魔鬼还能比她更疯狂吗？
11年，她没有从当初的非人进化为一个正常人，所以，所有这些疼，这些痛，她都感知不到。我们听到的，是她飘荡在黑夜里肆无忌惮的狂笑，得意的狂笑。
一直以来，很想写写朱妈妈，但是，每每提笔，却总是泪眼朦胧，无法成文。我不知道，今天写下这几句话，会不会也使朱妈妈伤心难过，但是，我很想把我的感受分享给大家。 对不起了，朱妈妈。 记得去年夏天，一位记者很痛苦地对我说，为什么朱妈妈的情绪总是那么冷，使他无法捕捉到一个受害者家属应有的激动和愤怒。她在讲述女儿的不幸遭遇时，一点激动的情绪都没有，好象是在讲述一件完全与己无关的事，好象是在讲述一件很平常的事情，一点悲剧性都没有，他很担心片子拍出来不感染人。我说，哀莫大于心死。 后来，我与朱妈妈接触得越来越多，我才体会到，其实，她冷的表情下，是一颗多么柔软多么强烈的爱心，只是，在那艰涩的环境下，在那痛苦的重压下，要呼吸，要生存，要挣扎，她怎么能以柔软抵抗坚硬，以温暖抵御酷寒呢？ 一天，我和朱妈妈去一个单位，碰了一鼻子灰。失望而归的路上，我很伤心，反倒是朱妈妈不断宽慰我，说着很多解释的话，让我释怀。那天天气非常炎热，回到朱家，进了门，吴叔叔在喂令令喝酸奶，看到我们回来，就立即给我们切了西瓜，我喝极了，也特别热，于是拿起西瓜就吃。却看到朱妈妈已经接过小勺子，在喂着令令，连一口水都没有来得及喝。 其实，这样的情形很多很多，很多很多，每一个生活的细节，都使人动容，我感受到她博大的母爱，慈祥温暖，充满力量。 一天夜里，我开车送朱妈妈回家。我说到现在很多年轻人选择丁克家庭，不要孩子。她忽然说，“如果有下辈子，我也不要孩子。”黑暗中，我的大脑突然堵塞，久久无语。我忙乱地搜索着适当的词汇，想打破那寒冷的寂静，可是我找不到适当的词汇。 昨天夜里，记者给朱妈妈打电话，汇报一下节目播完台里的反映。朱妈妈突然泣不成声。那是她这些年来第一次！第一次！ 谁说她冷？！只是痛太深…… 我不敢再打电话过去安慰她，我不知道该说什么。我担心自己也会在电话里哭，绝望和痛苦的情绪顿时湮没了我。我不知道自己能干些什么，能为他们再做些什么。难道，仅有真相就够了吗？难道，仅把事实找出来就够了吗？ 我们面对的，不是医疗问题，不是刑事案的问题，不是制度的问题，不是时间的问题，不是哲学问题，也不是心理问题，我觉得，我们面对的是人性的问题。 其实，只有一点善良就够了，就足可以使很多真相浮出水面。其实，只要一点诚实就够了，就足可以使很多尘霾消散，使很多障碍消除。其实，只要一点点勇气就够了，就足可以使很多往事还原，使很多问题有解。其实，只要一点点善恶是非观就够了，就足可以使有罪的受到惩罚，使公道得以偿还。其实，只要一点点坦荡和大气就够了，就足可以使历史清晰，使未来光明，使我们可以早点休息。 但是，仅这一点点，都没有。都没有。都没有。那无边的沉默，那闪烁的言辞，那冰冷的推拒，那尴尬的笑容，那狡猾的托词，那无奈的解释，那含混的说法，那无耻的狡辩，那嚣张的要挟，那公然的交易，那卑鄙的袒护…… 所以，朱妈妈还得收拾起她的泪水和痛苦，面对这沧冷的人间！
这样一个年近古稀的老人，受了重伤，本来需要静养，休息，但是，她却不能。她要每日为护理严重残疾的女儿操劳，她还要拿出大量的时间、精力和情感，投入到为女儿伸冤的工作中，她还要克服内心巨大的悲痛，去面对所有人……
上天对她太不公平了。
每次，我看到朱妈妈额头上的那个小包，就很想摸一下，问她，还疼不疼？如果令令能像我们一样，我想，她一定会问这句话的。
关于朱妈妈的几句话 by zenyup from 百度朱令吧
一直以来，很想写写朱妈妈，但是，每每提笔，却总是泪眼朦胧，无法成文。我不知道，今天写下这几句话，会不会也使朱妈妈伤心难过，但是，我很想把我的感受分享给大家。 对不起了，朱妈妈。 记得去年夏天，一位记者很痛苦地对我说，为什么朱妈妈的情绪总是那么冷，使他无法捕捉到一个受害者家属应有的激动和愤怒。她在讲述女儿的不幸遭遇时，一点激动的情绪都没有，好象是在讲述一件完全与己无关的事，好象是在讲述一件很平常的事情，一点悲剧性都没有，他很担心片子拍出来不感染人。我说，哀莫大于心死。 后来，我与朱妈妈接触得越来越多，我才体会到，其实，她冷的表情下，是一颗多么柔软多么强烈的爱心，只是，在那艰涩的环境下，在那痛苦的重压下，要呼吸，要生存，要挣扎，她怎么能以柔软抵抗坚硬，以温暖抵御酷寒呢？ 一天，我和朱妈妈去一个单位，碰了一鼻子灰。失望而归的路上，我很伤心，反倒是朱妈妈不断宽慰我，说着很多解释的话，让我释怀。那天天气非常炎热，回到朱家，进了门，吴叔叔在喂令令喝酸奶，看到我们回来，就立即给我们切了西瓜，我喝极了，也特别热，于是拿起西瓜就吃。却看到朱妈妈已经接过小勺子，在喂着令令，连一口水都没有来得及喝。 其实，这样的情形很多很多，很多很多，每一个生活的细节，都使人动容，我感受到她博大的母爱，慈祥温暖，充满力量。 一天夜里，我开车送朱妈妈回家。我说到现在很多年轻人选择丁克家庭，不要孩子。她忽然说，“如果有下辈子，我也不要孩子。”黑暗中，我的大脑突然堵塞，久久无语。我忙乱地搜索着适当的词汇，想打破那寒冷的寂静，可是我找不到适当的词汇。 昨天夜里，记者给朱妈妈打电话，汇报一下节目播完台里的反映。朱妈妈突然泣不成声。那是她这些年来第一次！第一次！ 谁说她冷？！只是痛太深…… 我不敢再打电话过去安慰她，我不知道该说什么。我担心自己也会在电话里哭，绝望和痛苦的情绪顿时湮没了我。我不知道自己能干些什么，能为他们再做些什么。难道，仅有真相就够了吗？难道，仅把事实找出来就够了吗？ 我们面对的，不是医疗问题，不是刑事案的问题，不是制度的问题，不是时间的问题，不是哲学问题，也不是心理问题，我觉得，我们面对的是人性的问题。 其实，只有一点善良就够了，就足可以使很多真相浮出水面。其实，只要一点诚实就够了，就足可以使很多尘霾消散，使很多障碍消除。其实，只要一点点勇气就够了，就足可以使很多往事还原，使很多问题有解。其实，只要一点点善恶是非观就够了，就足可以使有罪的受到惩罚，使公道得以偿还。其实，只要一点点坦荡和大气就够了，就足可以使历史清晰，使未来光明，使我们可以早点休息。 但是，仅这一点点，都没有。都没有。都没有。那无边的沉默，那闪烁的言辞，那冰冷的推拒，那尴尬的笑容，那狡猾的托词，那无奈的解释，那含混的说法，那无耻的狡辩，那嚣张的要挟，那公然的交易，那卑鄙的袒护…… 所以，朱妈妈还得收拾起她的泪水和痛苦，面对这沧冷的人间！
帮mm顶
http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=166243374 东方时空最后的几张照片选择用心良苦? 应该是的
昨日在百度朱令吧内写了下面一段话: 回复：我想知道一个法律的问题
当然能。因为这个案子在公安局，还算是在侦破中的案件，未结案。
始终有效。跟那些已经过了诉讼时效或者追索时效的案子不一样。
什么时候都有效。
这也算是公安局留的后手吧。毕竟哪个警察也不希望自己辛苦那么长时间破了的案子被
人黑了。他们也窝囊啊。
当年，为了确定朱令体内的铊来自清华李隆弟和童爱军的实验室，警方费了多大的力气
啊。他们走遍了北京所有使用铊的单位，最后又转战外地，最终在石家庄找到了清华购
买铊的证据。最后，又根据化验结果，证明了朱令所中的毒就来自那批铊，就来自那个
实验室。所以，确定一个犯罪嫌疑人，不是那么容易的事。需要大量的实物证据和科学
数据，否则，警方无法向检察院提交证据，无法要求对某人采取强制措施的。
但是，虽然证据确凿，可公安局也是人组成的啊，他们这些人也是在国家体系之下啊，
他们不是独立办案的，他们也被人管，被人制约啊。所以，他们的冤啊，欲哭无泪的感
觉啊……
尤其被大家误会，以为他们无能，就感是比窦娥还冤啊。
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注1：孙维早改名了，现在叫孙释颜。
注2：孙维和她的同夥儿们商量怎么在天涯发贴，用什么样的ID，内容怎么讲，怎么暗示，用什么语气... 看得人触目惊心，不愧是名牌大学的高才生们。高，太高了。
注3：孙维和同夥儿们的对话，足以编写一本现代刑侦教材。
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孙释颜对高菲替她辩护文件的修改（红字为孙的修改） 先自我介绍一下，我是清华化学系物化二班的一员，朱令和孙维的同班女同学。在此我只想针对网上的一些言论把我了解的情况和想法写下来，我会尽量客观如实地记录。希望大家不要偏听偏信，人云亦云。
另外说明一下：我不说出自己的姓名是因为看到网上确实有一些不负责任的人肆意攻击。如果有人质疑我是马甲，或要求我说出姓名，请你先把自己的真名实姓联系方式公布出来，允许大家核实。到目前为止，指认孙维是凶手的人中除了贝志诚从来没有人说出过自己的姓名。
朱令94年底第一次发病，寒假之后回学校上学，当时身体看起来在康复中，可以去教室上课，离开宿舍去洗澡、煎药等等，并非传说中的卧床不起（Belle 自己斟酌是否可加）；95年第二次发病，经互联网求助知道是铊中毒，随后清华派出所也找了一些同学（不止同班同学）了解情况，然后就没有下文了。
关于网上流传的孙维为了争演出机会而下毒的动机，之前已有网友从社团运行方式方面证实是不可能的。我想补充的是我所认识的孙维不可能这么小肚鸡肠，认识她的人都知道，她虽然是个伶牙俐齿的女孩，但心地善良、性格直爽，有什么说什么。而且她当时进民乐队学中阮也只是一个业余爱好，玩玩而已。
我和孙维不在同一个宿舍，但经常去她们屋串门，说实在的我非常羡慕她们的宿舍关系，朱令社团活动较多，少在宿舍，但和大家相处得也很融洽。我觉得这种宿舍不可能发生投毒的事情，所以我总是在想朱令会不会是在别处中的毒，甚至有没有可能是误服。现在网上有很多质疑二次投毒的声音，而且也有专业医生的意见认为有可能不是二次中毒，更加深了我的这种想法。
我对贝志诚网络求助一事一直很佩服，但看了天妒一文，觉得贝的某些言论非常的不负责任，这是人命关天的事情，总是拿一些道听途说和完全站不住脚不值一驳的所谓证据来煽情，无论对孙维还是对朱令都是一种侮辱和伤害。
十年了，孙维最终发了这个声明，我很佩服她的勇气。因为在网络上，任何事最终都可能搅成一堆浆糊，但我还是决定像我其他的同学一样站出来，说出我们知道的事实，谣言止于智者，真心地希望每个人在看帖回帖的时候都仔细地想想。
最后说明一点，网上很多同学说我们不关心朱令，这并不是事实。我们确实做得还不够，但我们在这里不说并不等于我们什么都没做。而且我们在这里说什么也不能给朱令任何实际的帮助。在此也呼吁大家用实际行动帮帮朱令，胜过在网上无谓地吵来吵去。
2。化学系前有多篇论文涉及铊。
3。事后得知储存有铊的实验室就在我毕设的同一楼内。所有化学药品当时并无危险品管理措施，每日工作时间(至每晚10时许) 实验室并不上锁。同时该实验楼担负各系仪器分析实验课程。所谓孙维是唯一可接触铊的指责有失公允。
4。95年6月30日，学校毕业典礼，孙维未领到毕业和学位证书。
5。孙维与舍友关系非常融洽，至今仍是好友。不仅如此，由于其宿舍气氛最为活跃，经常是我班很多女生晚自习后集聚打闹之所。虽然如今遍布各地，她们仍保持着密切的联系，并数次小聚。
6。朱令是社团骨干，相对与同班同学相处时间较少，所以我们班男同学也觉得她平日比较“酷” 。但每当班级活动，朱令能参与的总是非常积极，出谋划策。未见其与班内同学有何矛盾。朱令在协合住院初期，孙维及其他女生们曾帮助看护，直至很快有了特护。
7。孙维性格非常直爽，心直口快，嘴还比较“损”，爱开玩笑，但为人大气，属典型的北京女孩。
8。孙维曾在民乐队弹奏中阮，后退出。具体时间我不清楚，但有据可查，声明里提供的时间应为真实。
9。孙维的爷爷于1995年12月9日去世，这我记得很清楚。因为当时孙维非常伤心，班里同学曾一起安慰过她。而且直到当时，我才得知其爷爷是这么一位德高望重的老人。孙维在此之前从未提及。
总纲: 须每天逐渐发贴. 尽量不要互相呼应（例外：以大学同班同学身份的可以适当呼应）。同时应当尽量回应其他人。建议互相加入一个MSN或其他IM.
1． 大学同班同学:发表对维的了解信任支持言论。（须立刻跟贴。可为新ID, 应持续发贴）―― 征求他们意见。
2． 高中同学:证实维家庭廉洁 (须立刻跟贴，可为新ID: 徐卫新，王妤)，同时证明其人品和信任。（detail: 维住客厅, 家长和本人都骑车等）
3． 旁观者:分析窃听器。（须立刻跟，可为新ＩＤ）
4． 旁观者:分析维要求测谎. (须立刻跟，须为旧ID. Candidate: Lulu and his wife.)
5． 旁观者:分析支持各条. (多ID, 多IP)
6． 旁观者角度分析清华拒发毕业证书的动机（旧ID,多ID）
7． 社团人:证实社团当时状况. (须旧ID,最好来自国外) 8． 校友:证实毒品管理不严。(不急，须多人,多ID. Candidate? )
9． 资源委员会熟人:发表爷爷生平及证实逝世时间。
（不急。可为新ID,可持续发贴）
10． 转贴至MITBBS及其它对此文有转载处。
１． 有顾虑的最好不用自己家的电脑／ＩＰ．
２． 如果有关键性的事实（和案件相关的）年久失修记不清了的千万要先和我确认，如果记不清宁可不写，但一定不能自相矛盾！千万千万！
３． 记住：所有我们写在网上的信息朱令家人都会看到。所以不要给朱家提供额外的信息，如咱们现在的生活、工作情况、联系方式等等，不必要信息不要提。
４． 长篇大论也行，逐条发也可以。不过长篇大论难度较大，所以重要的要点还是建议逐条发帖。
５． 估计最热烈的时间应该是明天后的一周内，有条件的娘子最好能在这一周内偶尔关注，做必要的回复。
６． 如果有人明显的胡搅蛮缠，可以不用理他。
７． 如果万一将来有记者要求采访，千万不要被记者的花言巧语迷惑，至少现在看起来最好的办法是拒绝。也许Ｎ年后会不同，只能到时再议了：）
以大学同班女生身份可以说明的情况：
Below are just the points I thought of, exact wording are up to you J
2） 以前也曾想替孙维说话辩解，都被她劝阻。这次孙维忍无可忍，自己站出来声明。我们都很支持她。
3） 证明孙维根本不是这样的人，不可能做这样的事。
4） 孙维她们宿舍非常和睦友好，从未有过任何矛盾。所有舍友人都很好，朱令中毒不可能和她们宿舍有任何关系。
5） 朱令社交活动很多，除了社团活动，还有很少在宿舍，也很少参加班里活动。
6） 孙维家庭根本不是大家想象中的“高干家庭”，她生活朴实，上学从来都是骑自行车，学期开始和结束时也不例外。当时班上一些外地同学寒暑假都有家里派小车接送，孙维却从来都是大包小包自己驮。
7） 希望大家不要轻信网上的谣言，冷静理智，不要被人利用。
8） 帮助朱令、为朱令募捐是好事，但没必要为了增添效果胡编乱造编造
9） 。。。。。
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我想了想，其实内容并不是最重要的，你的声明写得再完美，别有居心的人仍然会鸡蛋里挑骨头。而对于那些有良知有头脑的人，你的这篇声明足以让他们了解事实真相。我想这也是你发表这份声明的目的所在吧。
好了，接下来谈谈我的一些想法供你参考吧（真有点鸡蛋里挑骨头的感觉，寒）。
下面这一段感觉有点乱，是不是可以写得更有条理，重点更突出一些，象最后一句话好像有点跑题了。
最重要的是学校对于有毒试剂根本没有严格管理，药品不管有毒没毒, 桌上架上随便放，铊溶液和其他有毒试剂在桌上一放就是几年。我帮老师做的实验并不是研究铊的，实验中曾经使用过的铊溶液也是我进实验室以前别人配好了放在桌上的，实验室也不锁门。很多同学下实验室帮老师作实验，实验室不光对化学系学生开放,外系学生上实验课或来来往往都可以。做试验的时候，尤其是业余时间，同学们可以在各个试验室间串来串去，互借仪器药品也是常有的事。尽管大部分同学在实验室是认真做实验的，但也有人在实验室串门聊天上机玩游戏甚至约会。
我也上网搜了一下相关的文章，觉得第五点关于所谓领导人和公安对我的包庇好像在网上没有提到，是不是换个题目更好些，比如关于政治干预之类？或者只是我看的文章里没有提到？从网上的文章看，似乎并没有提到公安包庇，而只是公安受到上级领导干预？
另外一个小问题，这60多万人里到底有多少人屈死，有多少人没有能等到1992年平反的一天，永远也不会有人知道。是1992年这么晚吗？原谅我对历史的无知。
最后，还想说一下，你一定做好了发表这个声明的准备了，对吗？因为对于网络的反应，无论我们谁也没有十足的把握。希望你面对任何情况都坚强依旧，相信人性善良的一面。无论如何，我们永远都会支持你，永远是你的好姐妹！
如上所述，我成了“唯一”能接触铊的学生，根据公安推理，我又和朱令同宿舍，具有投毒的条件和充分的作案时间，因此一定是我给朱令投了毒！好象我们的宿舍充满了恐怖！ 真实情况是，我们的宿舍生活非常快乐，充满了无穷的乐趣。我们几个舍友五年来别说吵架，脸都没红过，至今仍是最亲密的好朋友。了解我们宿舍的人都可以作证。 我和朱令没有任何过节，但确实和另外的舍友们更亲密，主要是因为朱令交游广泛，社会活动非常多，很少在宿舍。
在调查朱令中毒案时，一些人（甚至是我曾经尊重的人）为了回避自己的一点点责任就不顾别人的死活，但是我的舍友在公安调查我的性格、为人的时候，她们都非常客观。我至今仍非常感动！ 朱令94年生病以后很长时间不能确诊，因为我母亲是医生，我还把朱令当时的症状（脱发、皮肤疼、腿疼）告诉我母亲，让她帮着分析和打听，我母亲当时还说可别是红斑狼疮。这些情况我的舍友们都知道。 四 关于所谓“动机” 了解我的人都知道我性格非常直爽，爱开玩笑，嘴比较“损”，也许得罪过人，但我从不小肚鸡肠，更谈不上不嫉妒。谣言中关于民乐队什么竞争演出机会之类的所谓“动机” 实在更是可笑。 大一的时候我听说学校有个民乐队，觉得好玩儿，朱令就介绍我参加。朱令既担任古琴独奏，也参加中阮伴奏。对于古琴，我根本不会弹，而中阮只是伴奏乐器，在民乐队中的地位本来就比较低，而且民乐合奏的时候还是几个中阮是一起上台的，根本谈不上争“上台机会”。我记得有一次清华民乐队代表学校参加一个比赛，我、朱令和另外的中阮是一起上的台，这些都有民乐队演出的照片和录像为证。 更重要的是我在大三一开学（94年9月）就因为觉得功课紧张主动退出民乐队了，民乐队应该有我参加活动和退队的纪录，很容易被核实。而朱令生病是在９４年底。这些情况在我被调查时，已经向公安机关如实说明过。 五 关于所谓领导人和公安对我的包庇 网上盛传领导人和公安对我的包庇，读者无不义愤填膺。事实是公安从来没有对我进行过任何包庇。 朱令94年底中毒，95年4月确诊铊中毒，至97年毕业前夕一直没有破案，应该说公安错过了破案的最好时机，眼看大家要各奔东西，朱令家人非常着急。后来我得知：97年3月25日，朱令家属致信北京市公安局长，指出学生即将离校，其中很多人将出国留学，此案急需抓紧侦破，不能放走凶手；97 年5月上书国家领导人。
可以想象公安当时的压力，他们希望尽快抓到凶手，对上级领导和朱令家人能有个交代。这也解释了为什么朱令中毒两年多公安机关一直没什么动静却突然在1997年4月2日对我进行突击询问。 由于对我的调查迟迟不给结论，我和家人都非常着急，认为公安办案拖拉。我还年轻，不能背着“犯罪嫌疑人”的黑锅过一辈子。于是我们无数次要求公安对我进行进一步调查，要求再审或对证，对我提供的各种信息进行核实，还有什么疑问就提出来我好解释澄清，但是公安机关从1997年4月2日以后再也没找过我询问任何问题，反而是我和家人上百次地催促公安机关尽快依法办案。 有一次一位公安对我们说“公安从来没有办错的案子！”，因此我们担心阻力来自于公安对自身错误的自我纠正，于是我和家人一再向公安机关口头和书面表示公安机关办案不容易，有时搞错也难免，而且怀疑和调查我也是可以理解的，我们决不会追究任何个人和单位的责任，我们唯一的要求就是以事实为依据，以法律为准绳，尽快查清我的问题，还我清白。 我和家人一直抱着在基层解决问题的想法，第一个电话是97年4月4日、第一封信是97年4月5日，都是给清华派出所的。之后给系办、系领导、校办、校保卫处、校派出所、公安14处等反复打电话、写信或面谈（信件都有收条），但从无进展，我们开始逐级向上反映。由于案件久拖不决，况且朱令家人早在97年5月上书过国家领导人，不得已我们于98年1月也给高层领导写信反映情况，说明：我们只是恳请有关单位以事实为依据、以法律为准绳，尽快依法办案，决不是要求法外施恩。
二 所谓“我是学校唯一能接触铊的学生/本科生” 我4月2日被公安讯问的时候第一次从公安那里得知公安了解到的情况竟然是：我是唯一能接触到铊的学生，而且实验室的“管理非常严格，就差在每个学生的后面站个老师了”。但这完全是谎言！ 其实化学系在实验中使用铊有很长历史了,而且有不少人在国内外相关杂志上发表论文，在９７年４月我开始被调查之后，我查阅了一些文献，看到学校化学系不同人发表的论文从91年(那时我还没入学)起有若干篇（收稿日期分别为１９９１年１０月１６日，１９９４年１２月２０日，１９９５年８月１６日，１９９５年１０月２日，１９９５年１１月８日和1996年2月16日），直到97年公安开始调查，化学系才禁止使用铊。我想很可能还有我没有查到的文章，或还有使用过铊却还没有发表的论文。 系主任后来也说除了化学系，其他系也有铊。 最重要的是学校对于有毒试剂根本没有严格管理，药品不管有毒没毒, 桌上架上随便放，铊溶液和其他有毒试剂在桌上一放就是几年。我帮老师做的实验并不是研究铊的，实验中曾经使用过的铊溶液也是我进实验室以前别人配好了放在桌上的，实验室也不锁门。很多同学下实验室帮老师作实验，实验室不光对化学系学生开放,外系学生上实验课或来来往往都可以。做试验的时候，尤其是业余时间，同学们可以在各个试验室间串来串去，互借仪器药品也是常有的事。尽管大部分同学在实验室是认真做实验的，但也有人在实验室串门聊天上机玩游戏甚至约会。 这种情况多年来一直如此，即使在朱令中毒后也没有改善，怎么可能我是唯一能接触铊的学生呢？！ 为了证明实验室的真实情况，９７年４月，我哥哥借了一部家用摄像机在白天工作时间到化学系实验楼，先后进了几个实验室，并从其中一个实验室的实验台上拿了一大瓶有骷髅标记的有毒试剂，举在镜头前，把它带出实验楼，然后又送回原处，整个过程全部拍摄下来。同样的调查取证，在随后的日子里又重复了几次，每次都无人过问。 出于对学校的感情，我没有把证明学校对实验室管理不严的录像带直接递交公安。但是事实又对我非常重要，这么大的黑锅我背不起，于是我在９７年５月５日下午5点多找到学校党委，把录像放给他们看，表示我并不想为难学校，是因为我没有别的办法，唯一的要求就是希望学校能够实事求是地向公安反映情况，说明我真的不是唯一能够接触到铊的学生，由学校自己出面向公安说可以讲的比较委婉，有利于学校的形象。当时接待我的人没作答复。 第二天，５月６日一大早，学校实验室开始大整改，要求师生停下工作把所有药品严格分类管理，有毒试剂上锁，并由保卫处的人进行了拍摄。 6月30日，校领导拒发我的毕业和学位证书。
七 关于所谓我的爷爷向高层领导求情 网上盛传说我爷爷去世前最高领导去探望，爷爷“拉着最高领导的手”为我求情“请求最高领导放人放了我的孙女”。而“公安局长拍案而起，说放什么放，打死了装麻袋里放出来”，云云。其实公安机关第一次也是唯一的一次讯问我是在1997年4月2日。事实是我爷爷于1995年12月9日去世，而且我一天也没有被公安局抓起来关过，不知道怎么“放出来”？是相对什么而言。 而且公安开始调查我时并不清楚我爷爷是谁，97年4月2日那天，公安问到我的家庭成员，我只说了父、母、哥哥，再问其他人时，我只说爷爷奶奶已经去世，没有说名字。受家庭影响我很少在学校说我的爷爷。 爷爷是我最敬爱的人，在他去世后有这么多谣言给他抹黑，我和我的家人都很难过，因此我在这里要简单地介绍一下我爷爷，让大家了解他的为人，了解他为中国做过的巨大贡献，了解他几十年经历的坎坷和冤屈。 不要再别有用心地在他身上捏造虚假的故事了！ 我爷爷爱国、正直、廉洁，最痛恨腐败。解放前在国民党政府我爷爷曾任行政院政务委员兼资源委员会委员长兼经济部部长。他因为痛恨国民党政府的黑暗腐败，决定率领资源委员会起义，冒着生命危险组织和领导护厂护矿，迎接解放。
资源委员会是当时中国最大的企业群体，下辖121个总公司，1000多个大中型厂矿企业和若干研发、设计、勘探单位；涵盖的行业包括钢铁、有色金属、石油石化、化工、煤炭、机械（含部分造船和铁路机车车辆制造）、水泥建材、电子电工、光学仪器、电力、制糖、造纸等；共有3万多管理和技术干部，其中有高级技术人才约4千余人，大部分怀着爱国之心留洋归来；另外还有工人60余万，其中技工20万。
爷爷将资源委员会下属厂矿企业和人员完整地移交给人民政府，对新中国的国民经济恢复起了巨大作用。这些人才为国家工业化、现代化做出过巨大贡献。
但是令人痛心的是这些人满怀一腔爱国热忱，冒着生命危险追随我爷爷留在大陆，投入祖国建设，却在解放后历次运动中，尤其是文化大革命期间，被说成是“有组织有计划的特务团体”接受调查、批斗和各种折磨。我爷爷自然是“大特务头子”了。很多人不能忍受人格上的侮辱和身体上的折磨选择了自杀，也有很多人被活活整死。这60多万人里到底有多少人屈死，有多少人没有能等到1992年平反的一天，永远也不会有人知道。 他晚年在三峡论证中顶住巨大压力，94岁高龄亲自进行实地考察，坚决反对三峡工程。 我爷爷生前多次留下遗言：遗体捐供医学解剖，捐献有用的组织和器官，其余作肥料，绿化祖国，不举行遗体告别，把自己的积蓄全部捐献。他去世后骨灰撒在树下，没立任何碑牌，积蓄全部捐献给家乡的学校。 在他的“生平”中评价他是“共产党的诤友”，“建立了历史性的功勋”。 八 学校曾扣发我的毕业证书及学位证书 97年6月30日上午学校召开毕业典礼并颁发毕业证书，临开会前系领导却突然通知我学校不发我毕业证书，并要求我通知父母马上来学校，由党委正式说明。我的父母立即赶到学校，校党委领导等人接待了我们，说学校接到公安局的通知，内容是由于我卷入此案调查，不能给我发证书。校党委领导还强调： “在这件事上（指朱令中毒案），我们经过认真反思，学校没有任何责任”。我们问：公安是如何通知学校的？有没有文字通知？学校说没有，是公安打电话通知的。 于是我父母立即到14处询问，令人意外的是，公安竟然说：“我们从没听说过孙维学籍的事，警方只管破案，学籍管理是学校自己的事儿，和公安没关系，公安局从来没有，也不可能向学校发这样通知的，如果真打过电话，一定会有记录的，但是我们没查到任何记录。”
在领证书时，系领导说：公安不承认通知过我们，我们也没必要替他扛着。
九 朱令家人多年来对我的怀疑是没有事实和证据依据的 ９７年４月２日下午，对我的问讯是非常秘密的，老师同学包括我的舍友都不知道。但是第二天（4月3日）一早，朱令的一位舅舅就来到学校，召集了很多同学，说“朱令的案子拖了这么久，到现在也没有人承担责任，朱令家里很窘迫，现在目标已经很集中了。”并说“公安机关办案需要很多手续，有些公安机关不宜出面做的事，我们决定自己出面，采取一些非常规的行动。”同学告诉我后，我家人马上向派出所、系里和学校保卫处汇报，但没有得到任何答复，家人担心我的人身安全，于是不让我上学了。
4月11日晚和4月14日晚，朱令的舅舅两次打电话给我家里要和我父亲面谈，由于他在学校说了要采取非常行动的话，我父亲当即拒绝。 ４月２２日，系主任打电话给我父母，催我回校上学，父母向学校反映担心我的安全，学校答复说没法保证我的安全，但是如果我还不上学造成的损失学校不承担。我不能接受学校提出的留级一年的选择，于是说服父母于２４日回到学校。２６日中午，我收到朱令舅舅寄到我宿舍的恐吓信（２５日发出），说我已经“无可救药”“世人皆曰可杀”“纵然是天涯海角，终不能逃脱惩罚”，并“发誓不惜用一切为朱令复仇，为国家除害”，信中还提到“黑社会”。 我家人十分担心，立刻向系里汇报，但是系领导已经知道恐吓信的内容了，因为相似的信件也发给了班里其他同学，要求同学们配合朱家提供有关我是凶手的“证据”。由于安全没有保证，我只好再次离校回家。 ５月５日下午，迫于毕业压力，我再次返校。５月９日中午，我收到朱令舅舅寄到我们宿舍的第二封恐吓信。内容除重复第一封信的恐吓外，还提到 “获悉我给你的信已交付学校保卫部门，我认为你做的没有错误。但这次大可不必这样做了，因为，当你收到这封信的同时，此信的副本也会放在学校保卫部门的办工作桌上”并说“另获悉，由于我的上一封信，你希望获得学校对你安全的保证．我想，这是一种不现实的想法”，“学校是无法保护你或惩罚我的”。 这两封恐吓信的复印件我都已经给交公安机关了。 我知道朱令家人对我的误会非常之深。后来我找过朱令的一个好朋友，表示希望能和朱令的母亲沟通。他说如果真的不是你干的，你于心无愧就行了，朱令家人坚信了这么久的想法，你是不可能改变的。 ９７年７月３０日，我和哥哥去公安局催问案件调查的进展，正好看到公安人员接待朱令的母亲。我们提出是否可以在公安在场的情况下和朱令的母亲谈一谈，把有些事情说清楚，公安人员连忙拒绝，说现在不合适，并马上把我们拉走。 ９８年８月，公安宣布结束对我的调查后，我再次提出希望能和朱令家人沟通，消除误会，公安说：“朱令家人误会很深，认死了这个理儿这么多年了，即使你们和她家人见面，恐怕也很难改变他们的想法。我们也做过他们的工作，很困难，没什么效果，你们不要和他们接触，可能会有危险，要是出了事儿就更麻烦了。” 我以前在学校和医院见过朱令的父母，他们都是非常通情达理的知识分子。大女儿惨死，二女儿中毒对这个家庭的打击是毁灭性的。我去医院看望和看护朱令的时候见到朱令父母对自己孩子的照顾和疼爱，很受感动，也非常理解朱令家人渴望挽救自己孩子和抓住凶手的心愿。 尽管我也是这个案件的受害人，但朱令和她家人的情况更惨，因此当年我咨询的法律专家说朱令的舅舅给我写恐吓信是违法的，我可以告他的时候， 我不想给她的家庭雪上加霜， 至今没有起诉。 不过朱令家人的许多说法是没有事实和证据依据的，仅仅是根据一些所谓的“线索”推测得到的结论，在冲动情绪下的言论和举动不但伤害了我，更不利于本案的侦破。
十 关于我的私人情况 关于我的私人情况，网上流传着各种版本。
我一如既往地不希望我和家人的生活被打扰，所以仅做简单的说明。我的丈夫不是美国人，他是我多年的同学，对我的情况非常了解，对我的为人也十分信任。我们都希望过平静的生活。 十一 我对网上传言的看法 我一直认为，也一直对我的朋友们说，其实这些在网上伤害我的人大多都是善良的，他们并不是存心要伤害我，只是出于义愤希望惩治凶手而被各种真假难辨的流言所误导。 当然也不难看出其中有很少数人一直在挑起和引导舆论的发展，只要有人持比较客观的观点或者质疑这些所谓“证据”，就立刻会被揪出来甚至遭到谩骂，或者被说成是我的“发言人”。但是即使对于这些少数人，我也一直认为他们的出发点是善良的，他们只不过一心想帮助朱令而又认定我是“凶手”而已。
十二 我的愿望 １．公安机关尽早破案！ 除了朱令家人，没有人比我更希望早日破案了！ 既然大家都和我一样真心希望早日破案，请你真名实姓，把任何证据或者线索，尽早提交公安机关，以便公安调查核实。如果有人在国外不方便的话，可以请国内的同学或朋友作为接口，汇总大家提供的线索一并提交公安机关进行调查核实。在网上以讹传讹只会误导别人，伤害无辜，拖延破案的时间，并让真正的凶手继续逍遥法外。 我和所有善良的人一样希望看到水落石出的一天！ 2．愿朱令早日康复。 3．希望大家客观理智地对待网上的各种传言。 4．我和家人希望过上平静而普通的生活，不被打扰。
> was
> back to the hectic life at work, had to work
> overtime
> on Friday. Well, the vacation is over, indeed.
>
> Anyway, Gang and I will do some more literature
> search, and hopefully come up with something useful.
>
> Just now, Gang is talking with someone we don't know
> on the phone. looks like the situation is really bad
> now, they dig out everything about us, they know our
> home phone number, address, where we work, even know
> we came back to US on Jan. 9 (Belle doesn't even
> know
> that!). what worries me now is that wangqi and jinya
> won't be hidden for long. Anyway, we all need to be
> prepared for the worst.
>
> Sun xiaozhu, did you post another statement on the
> internet around Jan. 8? are you solicting the
> engagement of police system? I need to know what
> your
> position is. Could you forward that statement to me
> and Gang?
>
> Talk to you later. I may need to give you a call
> some
> time. should I still use your parents' number?
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hanlin,
> > I just found today on Sina, in Wu Hong fei's blog,
> > she
> > reported Zhu's case, and in the reply, i find
> > somebody
> > pretending to be Xue Gang as well.
> >
> > 回复 网易网友(222.32.112.*):
> >
>
清华物化2班的的朱令的同学们，你们真的就都是些自私自利见利忘义的小人？就没有一个
> >
>
象贝志成那样敢于说话吗？这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清
> >
>
华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是
> >
>
清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！这是清华的悲哀！！！！！清华的同学门，你们还有良心
> > 吗，不做噩梦吗？？？？
> >
> >
>
我是物化2班的团支书，我真的不忍心看到有关朱朱的所有东西，这些年来我一直生活在自责于内疚之中，我不知道我该怎么做，其实这件事要真的查出真相一点都不难，国务院督办！我能说的就是当年朱朱第二次中毒孙维被传的时候，院领导和系部召开了一次很秘密的会议，我是唯一一个参加会议的在校学生，也许他们知道通知我开会是个很大的错误，当中讲了一会儿的时候系主任叫我回去了，但我在我所在场的18分钟内，我已经知道内容大概了，我的任务是事件保密和按护全班同学，不准单独核查和不准猜测议论，在会议中提到是孙主席指示的，而且有关方面在为维维准备出国手续，后来我知道是孙浮林。
> >
>
到这里大家心理也很清楚，这件事如果中央不出面的话，在中国目前这个体制里，朱朱事件只有沉冤！！！光凭一个贝志诚是不够的。
> >
这些年我没有站出来，我有我的苦衷，包括我们2班所有同学。我们经常会收到拿我们自己性命和家人性命以及工作等等相关的威胁！株连九族大家或许只在电视上见过，可这些随时可以发生在我们2班同学身上。
> >
> >
>
我希望中央能真的重视这个案件，还朱朱一个公道。就是高院和高检都没办法的，只有中央！！！
> >
> >
> > So you couple are both used :-P
> >
> > Kidding, I think now the situation is really very
> > bad.
> > People are much worse than I thought. But in stead
> > of
> > getting angry, like couple of weeks ago, I feel
> > amused, strange hum? These people are too dirty
> for
> > me
> > to be angry with them :)
> >
> > So girls, i think we don't need further clarify
> > things
> > on internet, unless something really important
> > pop-up
> > -- I doubt though. Anyway, my family is
> monitering.
> > So let's live our normal life.
> > If for something I need help, i will shout :-)
> >
> > So basically, the help I needed from you all:
> > 1. Paper related: Ya and Hanlin couple -- "tasks"
> > already sent in another mail :-P
> >
> > 2. the supporting letter I previously sent out --
> > less
> > urgent than above paper, so take your time :-)
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
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看到网上那么多有正义感的网友们在为寻找朱令案件更为有力的破案证据献计献策，我在感动之余更加为那些不明真相善良正义的朋友们悲哀。因为，你们不知道的事情太多太多，其实这个案件当年早有定论，其实孙维当时已经供认不讳。这个案件根本不再需要新的证据，因为铁证已经如山，凶手已经招供。朱令的案件其实根本不再需要重新审理，它需要的是把尘封已久的真相公开，让真凶脱去祖辈庇护的“免死金牌”。孙维当年的罪行，在她家庭所在的圈子里早已不是一个秘密，我们很清楚孙维当年的所作所为！而很多人和我一样因为是孙家的世交或者同僚而选择了缄默。当我作为孙维的邻居站出来说话的时候，不防很惭愧的告诉大家，我曾经犹豫不决。因为，孙家非但不曾加害于我，更加和我们深交甚远。同为幕僚，同室操戈恐怕也有违厚道。但是，天下为公，日日目睹如此惨绝人寰、天良丧尽的凶手逍遥法外、在网上混淆视听，面对朱令家人悲惨的命运和千千万万有良知，为正义呐喊的民众，哪怕与孙家代代友好，又岂能置正义和良知于不顾，为一己之私，黑白不分。如果，我看到朱令的生不如死还能置若罔闻、明哲保身，那么我和那个杀人不见血的凶手又有什么区别？孙维，纵使我曾视你的祖父为刚正不阿的楷模；纵使我于私有一万个缄默的理由，但我必须做自己应该做的事情，我必须要谴责你，鄙视你的行径！我愿意尽我的所能为朱令和广大有正义之心的朋友们尽绵薄之力，我会关注你的一举一动，告诉大家你和你的家人最新的动向！拨开云雾一定能见青天，真相也不会因为一时的封藏而永远不见天日。我希望大家继续关注朱令，因为你们的关注是朱令早日讨回公道的关键。同样，我更加希望和我一样与孙家为同僚或者是认识孙家的邻居们，能够把你们知道的真相说出来，我知道你们当中有很多是人民代表、也有很多受过孙家的恩惠和提拔。但是，我希望你们想想老百姓让你们做人民代表，国家给你们当官是为了什么！为官是为百姓请命，为百姓造福，而不是为了小小集团和个人的利益置法律道德良心于不顾。我希望那些和我一样了解孙维的同僚们勇敢地说出真相，也许你曾经还不是一个称职的人民代表，还不算一个好官清官，那么请你从今天开始做个好人，做个有良知的中国人！
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You know what? This morning my professor, in
surprise, showed me an anonymous email saying I am a
suspect of a poisoning case and asking for my contact
address. (email address is a newly registered "zhu
guan" and the [email protected], guess should be 朱关
and 关心朱令). I guess this should be from a person who know I am the
roommate. The good point is they don't know I am
still in the same lab (since the lab's homepage
doesn't include my name), or they may be more crazy to
do something. My professor of course thinks it's
ridiculous and trusts me, dont worry. Things are getting so messy, I also read a guy
pretending to be qizi, while giving the Ph.D thesis
title of that male wangqi's to prove he/she is real
wangqi. Faint to death.
--- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu,
>
> Don't feel bad, I was digged out mainly because of
> Gang, as the wife of Zhi1 Shu1. And like you said,
> it
> made me feel much safer than you guys because I am
> in
> US, they can't do much about me. If there were
> anything outrageous happened, I could seek law
> enforcement. Looks like now they think WQ and I live
> in the same room with you, so yazi may be safe for a
> while. It was our careless mistake that we didn't
> change our phone number after we move to the current
> address. We thought it would be easier for the
> people
> we knew to keep in touch with us. Well, guess what!
> Anyway, I have a caller id at home, so I can filter
> calls and won't take unrecognized calls.
>
> FYI, here is my contact information:
>
> Home phone: (860) 437-7804
> Cell: (860) 235-0671
> Gang's cell: (860) 912-5392
>
> During my working hours (your night time), you may
> want to send emails to my pfizer email:
> [email protected], so I can get it instantly. I
> don't check my personal email that often at work.
>
> TAKE CARE,
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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> >
>
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Hanlin
So so so sorry to make you all famous! :-( Be really
careful, those people can do anything. Digging out the
info is 1st step, next they may do things more mean.
Like Jinya's boss got the anonymos letter saying she
was the suspect! You & Gang need to be very careful,
especially you, as somebody think you were the
roommate. Maybe you want to inform your boss ahead?
If he/she knows about cultural revolution, it's easier
for them to understand, like Ya's boss. Anyway, you
decide yourself, but just get prepared... Don't be chou4 mei3 about the comment of being "Liang4
li4" :-P
They won't stop doing mean things simply because you
are "Liang4 Li4".
BTW, maybe you want to share with us your "liang li"
picture in high-school? I haven't seen it before :-)
I also remembered I saw somewhere people found out the
amount of Gang's denate to ZhuLing and people are
spreading virus words, saying it's too little etc. I
was sooo furious! How ugly people are!! Recently I'm
always surprised about this topic :( Back to your question, according to media, it's
lethal, I mean dose in ZL's blood. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu,
>
> I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE)
> from
> Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> references
> don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> couple of papers of interest through our
> inter-library
> loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> striking information was obtained. The patients
> cited
> in most papers were administrated and treated in
> hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for
> long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in
> Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out
> again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
>
> Yazi,
>
> The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I
> can
> only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I
> need to have the list of your hit references (was it
> 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at
> work
> and do searches.
>
> Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am
> the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse
> search and find my current home address, my pictures
> from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title,
> and even attached a satillite map of my house from
> google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright
> side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the
> "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So,
> Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl,
> as
> I was told someone has already digged out your
> picture
> from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> even
> know where it is. :-)
>
> I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now
> banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me
> posted for anything new.
>
> Take care, all piglets.
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
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Oh, yes? Somebody digged out my photo from my lab's
homepage? I am sure it was removed last year after
the previous scholarship ended. So somebody saved the
old page even that early? I am somewhat shocked. En,
anyway, though I am sure they won't saying me "liang4
li4", don't say me "man3 lian3 heng2 rou4" like poor
sun niangzi, :)). About the format of list of my hit references, the
format I saved can't be open in ur office? If you
mean the 200 papers' (the first 10 pages of my
searching hits) info., I am attaching it here the txt
format file, though many of them are not very useful.
--- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu,
>
> I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE)
> from
> Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> references
> don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> couple of papers of interest through our
> inter-library
> loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> striking information was obtained. The patients
> cited
> in most papers were administrated and treated in
> hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for
> long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in
> Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out
> again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
>
> Yazi,
>
> The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I
> can
> only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I
> need to have the list of your hit references (was it
> 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at
> work
> and do searches.
>
> Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am
> the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse
> search and find my current home address, my pictures
> from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title,
> and even attached a satillite map of my house from
> google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright
> side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the
> "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So,
> Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl,
> as
> I was told someone has already digged out your
> picture
> from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> even
> know where it is. :-)
>
> I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now
> banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me
> posted for anything new.
>
> Take care, all piglets.
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
>
attach16_by_jinya_list in txt.txt
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:55:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion
To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>
hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really "capable"
of digging out others' privacy. I found they deduced
me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, :)
http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 (except my
publication list only gives those rubbish ones I
wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when u
read. by the way, I saw: 『天涯杂谈』 暂停“朱令铊中毒事件”讨论的通知
作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“朱令铊中毒事件”话题暂停讨论，敬请各位网友配合。
特此通知
2006-1-19
-------------------------------- So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really hope
so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say
something. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu,
>
> I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE)
> from
> Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> references
> don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> couple of papers of interest through our
> inter-library
> loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> striking information was obtained. The patients
> cited
> in most papers were administrated and treated in
> hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for
> long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in
> Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out
> again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
正确的朱令同寝室人员名单：朱令、孙维、金亚、王琪。李含琳的确是薛支书的老婆，不过不是朱令宿舍的。
最新考古重大发现 太阳正暖 是金亚
先强烈抗议杂谈版主删我《物化2班同学清单和人物分析》回帖。本人经过多日考古，发现太阳正暖是物化2班的金亚，并且发现该女照片。特此贴出，以博众人一笑。
全部信息均来自网络，本人只做调查分析，不负任何责任。请网友自行验证、判断真伪。特别使用了薛书记25点。由orchid2k5提供的物化2班人员清单。"不安的咖啡" 关于孙维和"太阳正暖"的关系考古一文。并得到我一医学专业的同事大力帮助。
扼要介绍分析过程如下：
1. 薛书记已经提到他们班上女生毕业后小聚多次。那么太阳正暖肯定是其中之 一。而且此人应该在国内读研为最佳人选。查orchid2k5名单，怀疑人有王惠霞、高菲、金亚。前文分析高菲为孙维在班上代理人。考虑到出来辩护有4人，已
确定有王琪、高菲、李含琳，假定太阳正暖是另外一人。另外"不安的咖啡"分
析孙维和"太阳正暖"不是一人。
2. 其次google 清华大学 化学系 加 王惠霞 或者 金亚，得出金亚的博士生导师为化
学系罗国安教授。没有王惠霞的信息。注意罗教授在分析中心工作，而孙维的导师也在分析中心工作。而且太阳正暖提到她和孙维曾在同一小楼工作！
[天涯杂谈“孙维声明” 回贴，作者：太阳正暖 回复日期：2005-12-30 22:22:28
… 关于实验室的管理问题。我在９７年作毕设的实验室和孙维在９４年课余做实验的
实验室是在同一栋小楼里，这时候的实验室管理应该比９４年规范和严格，但距滴水不漏也还差着很远。细节我就不再重复了，就我工作过期间的经历来说，我认为孙维的叙述是客观和真实的。…]
3. 在我医学同事帮助下，在免费美国医学文献数据库pubmed检索Jin Ya http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed
得到8条信息从第1-3条和第6条可以判断金亚现在的导师是日本人Manabe T，而且文献的专业相合。第一条文献如下：
Direct targeting of human plasma for matrix-assisted laser desorption/ionization and analysis of plasma proteins by time of flight-mass spectrometry.
Jin Y, Manabe T. Department of Chemistry, Faculty of Science, Ehime University, Matsuyama, Japan.
4. 再查 Ehime 和 Manabe 得到该教授主页
http://www.ehime-u.ac.jp/~manabet/home2eng.htm
令人奇怪的是该实验室成员清单里没有金亚。
http://www.ehime-u.ac.jp/~manabet/lis01eng.htm
5. 在我百思不得其解之时，再次得到我医学同事的帮助，检索 http://www.archive.org!!! 得到了！
http://web.archive.org/web/20041028205933/http://www.ehime-u.ac.jp/~manabet/lis01eng.htm
果然是金亚。而且有照片。
6. 为什么说太阳正暖是金亚？我前文提到分析"百合之春"是张利。不过一谜语而已。大家从Sun Warm去推测太阳正暖身份其实走入了误区。太阳 - 日， 正暖 - 太阳之"本" 加起来正是日本。谁在日本？金亚！
结论：太阳正暖是金亚！
本文完成之后发现我《物化2班同学清单和人物分析》的回帖有以下信息：
作者：朱晓薇 回复日期：2006-1-16 07:42:44
朱令的同宿舍同学是:孙维,王琪和金亚
由此看来金亚的确是太阳正暖本人！
[网友继续检索，发现更多信息!!!]
金亚，1975年生，女，清华大学物化 2班，92级本科生，清华大学97级博士生。博士导师：罗国安，清华大学化学系分析中心教授。2003-2005年在日本 Ehime University化学系著名教授，电泳界权威（日本电泳学会理事长） ，Takashi Manabe 处做博士后。估计现已回国。找这两位教授联系一下看是不是她。
博士导师：罗国安，清华大学化学系分析中心教授
姓名： 罗国安 性别： 男 出生日期： 1946年11月 籍贯 浙江上于
工作单位： 清华大学化学系 分析中心生命分析化学与中药方剂化学实验室
技术职称： 教授、博士生导师
联系地址： 北京100084，清华大学化学系
Tel: 010-62781688; Fax: 010-62772263
E-mail: [email protected]
Professor Takashi Manabe
Department of Chemistry
Faculty of Science
Ehime University
Matsuyama-City, 790-8577, Japan
E-mail: [email protected]
Fax: +81-89-927-9590
金亚发表文章一览：
[1] 金亚 温涛 王义明 罗国安集成毛细管电泳芯片（微流控芯片）系统的检测器研究和应用 Development and Application of the Detection Technologies of Integrated Capillary Electrophoresis Chips 现代科学仪器 MODERN SCIENTIFIC INSTRUMENTS
2001 No.4 P.15-17
作者简介：金亚,1975年生,女,清华大学97级博士生.
作者单位：金亚（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
温涛（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
王义明（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
罗国安（清华大学化学系北京 100084）
[2] 金亚 罗国安 王如骥 集成毛细管电泳芯片研究进展 色谱 CHINESE JOURNAL OF CHROMATOGRAPHY
2000 Vol.18 No.4 P.313-317
作者简介：金 亚（1975-），女，博士研究生；罗国安（1946-），男，教授，博士生导师。
金亚（清华大学化学系，北京 100084）
罗国安（清华大学化学系，北京 100084）
王如骥（清华大学化学系，北京 100084）
[3] 金亚 罗国安微流控芯片中超微电极的制作及其在芯片-电化学检测中的应用 Fabrication of the Microfluidic Chips with Integrated Ultra-micro Electrodes and Its Application in On-chip Electrochemical Detection 高等学校化学学报 CHEMICAL JOURNAL OF CHINESE UNIVERSITIES 2003 Vol.24 No.7 P.1180-1184
作者简介：联系人简介: 罗国安（1946年出生）, 男, 教授, 博士生导师, 从事玻璃微流控芯片设计与制作研究. E-mail: [email protected]
作者单位：金亚（清华大学化学系,北京,100084）
罗国安（清华大学化学系,北京,100084）
[4] 章刚华 周兆英 汤扬华 罗国安 金亚 微芯片电泳仪的研制 The Development of Micro Chip Electrophoresis Analyser 仪器仪表学报
CHINESE JOURNAL OF SCIENTIFIC INSTRUMENT 2002 Vol.23 No.4 P.335-338
作者单位：章刚华（清华大学精密仪器系,北京,100084）
周兆英（清华大学精密仪器系,北京,100084）
汤扬华（清华大学精密仪器系,北京,100084）
罗国安（清华大学化学系,北京,100084）
金亚（清华大学化学系,北京,100084）
[5] 金亚 罗国安 汤扬华 周兆英 集成毛细管电泳芯片系统的制作、测试及应用 分析科学学报 JOURNAL OF ANALYTICAL SCIENCE 2001 Vol.17 No.2 P.148-152
作者单位：金亚（清华大学化学系，北京，100084）
罗国安（清华大学化学系，北京，100084）
汤扬华（清华大学精仪系，北京，100084）
周兆英（清华大学精仪系，北京，100084）
[6] 汤扬华 叶雄英 周兆英 冯焱颍 金亚 电泳芯片的制作及其进样与分离 分析化学 CHINESE JOURNAL OF ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY 2001 Vol.29 No.5 P.606-610
作者单位：汤扬华（清华大学精密仪器系，北京 100084）
叶雄英（清华大学精密仪器系，北京 100084）
周兆英（清华大学精密仪器系，北京 100084）
冯焱颍（清华大学精密仪器系，北京 100084）
金亚（清华大学精密化学系，北京 100084）
[7] 金亚 罗国安 微流控芯片与电喷雾质谱联用接口的制作与应用《分析仪器》2003 年 月 卷2 期
作者： 孙维邻居 2007-1-26 15:15 回复此发言
>
> Yazi,
>
> The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I
> can
> only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I
> need to have the list of your hit references (was it
> 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at
> work
> and do searches.
>
> Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am
> the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse
> search and find my current home address, my pictures
> from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title,
> and even attached a satillite map of my house from
> google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright
> side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the
> "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So,
> Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl,
> as
> I was told someone has already digged out your
> picture
> from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> even
> know where it is. :-)
>
> I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now
> banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me
> posted for anything new.
>
> Take care, all piglets.
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
> Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion
To: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>
CC: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>
From: [email protected] View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:39:51 +0800
Dear meizi, I have not noticed what you wrote in the following e-mail. I just
noticed
tianya has banned this topic. It made me happy because some id is
really
mean and the discussion is absolutely bullshit and nonsense. These days I am a little busy so not to talk with you by msn, sorry for
it.
Also sorry for niangzi that I didn't help in looking through the
documents.
:( Talk to you later. TAKE CARE, PIGLETS! Gao
Jin Ya
<jinyajane@yahoo.
com>
To
Hanlin Li <[email protected]>,
Fei
01/20/2006 11:55 Gao <[email protected]>,
AM Hanlin Li <[email protected]>, Qi
Wang <[email protected]>, sun
wei
<[email protected]>
cc
Subject
Re: BTW, pls include xxx for
this
discussion
hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really "capable"
of digging out others' privacy. I found they deduced
me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, :)
http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 (except my
publication list only gives those rubbish ones I
wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when u
read. by the way, I saw: 『天涯杂谈』 暂停“朱令铊中毒事件”讨论的通知
作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“朱令铊中毒事件”话
题暂停讨论，敬请各位网友配合。
特此通知
2006-1-19
-------------------------------- So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really hope
so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say
something. --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Sun Xiaozhu,
>
> I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE)
> from
> Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> references
> don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> couple of papers of interest through our
> inter-library
> loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> striking information was obtained. The patients
> cited
> in most papers were administrated and treated in
> hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for
> long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose in
> Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out
> again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
>
> Yazi,
>
> The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I
> can
> only open them at home (which doesn't help much). I
> need to have the list of your hit references (was it
> 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at
> work
> and do searches.
>
> Now my name is all over the place on internet, I am
> the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse
> search and find my current home address, my pictures
> from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer title,
> and even attached a satillite map of my house from
> google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the bright
> side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the
> "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So,
> Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4 girl,
> as
> I was told someone has already digged out your
> picture
> from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> even
> know where it is. :-)
>
> I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is now
> banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep me
> posted for anything new.
>
> Take care, all piglets.
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:20:04 -0800 (PST)
From: "Yes No" <[email protected]> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion
To: "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Fei Gao" <[email protected]>, "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>
It's a surprise to see Jin Niangzi have actually
published so many papers!! :-) Surprise surprise, I
thought she only spend the time playing around in
Tsinghua :-D BTW, Niangzi, your picture from lab is quite good
looking :-) Absolutely not "man3 lian3 heng2 rou4"
like me :"( Yesterday I still saw a lot of posts on Tianya, and
people are again posting my previous work and my
parents home etc. To be frank I don't know why Tianya
suddenly stopped. I don't think it's police, cos in
Sina and many other sites it's still very hot. Why
they only stop Tianya then? If, IF, it's really Gong
An, want to carm down this thing, they again proved
themselves to be stupid, only find Tianya and ignored
other sites? As stupid as before when they are
investigating Zhu Ling's case! Anyway, TAKE CARE all! Wei --- Jin Ya <[email protected]> wrote: > hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really "capable"
> of digging out others' privacy. I found they
> deduced
> me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable, :)
> http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635 (except
> my
> publication list only gives those rubbish ones I
> wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when u
> read.
>
> by the way, I saw:
>
> 『天涯杂谈』 暂停“朱令铊中毒事件”讨论的通知
>
>
> 作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00
>
>
为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“朱令铊中毒事件”话题暂停讨论，敬请各位网友配合。
>
>
>
> 特此通知
> 2006-1-19
> --------------------------------
>
> So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really
> hope
> so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say
> something.
>
> --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Sun Xiaozhu,
> >
> > I've searched a different database (OVID/MEDLINE)
> > from
> > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> > references
> > don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> > couple of papers of interest through our
> > inter-library
> > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> > striking information was obtained. The patients
> > cited
> > in most papers were administrated and treated in
> > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored for
> > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose
> in
> > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure out
> > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
> >
> > Yazi,
> >
> > The attachements you sent in your earlier email, I
> > can
> > only open them at home (which doesn't help much).
> I
> > need to have the list of your hit references (was
> it
> > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them at
> > work
> > and do searches.
> >
> > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I
> am
> > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> > shocked at their "capability", they did a reverse
> > search and find my current home address, my
> pictures
> > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer
> title,
> > and even attached a satillite map of my house from
> > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the
> bright
> > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as the
> > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah? So,
> > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4
> girl,
> > as
> > I was told someone has already digged out your
> > picture
> > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> > even
> > know where it is. :-)
> >
> > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is
> now
> > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway, keep
> me
> > posted for anything new.
> >
> > Take care, all piglets.
> >
> > Hanlin
> >
> > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > > protection around
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:18:49 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BTW, pls include xxx for this discussion
To: [email protected], "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>, "sun wei" <[email protected]>
The topic is still hot in sina and other websites ?
fuuuuuuuuu, disappointed. I thought a big action will
be made by our police uncles, :(, seems they are
really nuts. Thanks for comforting~~~, belle and niangzi, but
really, ignore those stupid publications, every
chinese papers I wrote was rubbish, :P (wang xiaozhu
will understand immediately :)) ) You take care, too! Have a good weekend! --- [email protected] wrote: > I have looked through that article just now and
> agree with Sun xiaozhu.
> Hehe, the picture looks nice.
>
> Actually, the information they digged out let me
> know you are so excellent!
> Cheers! :)
>
> TAKE CARE, ALL!
>
> Gao
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes No
>
> <sunweihere@yahoo
>
> .com>
> To
> Jin Ya
> <[email protected]>,
> 01/20/2006 02:20 Hanlin Li
> <[email protected]>, Fei
> PM Gao
> <[email protected]>,
> Hanlin Li
> <[email protected]>, Qi
> Wang
> <[email protected]>
>
> cc
>
>
>
> Subject
> Re: BTW, pls
> include xxx for this
> discussion
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It's a surprise to see Jin Niangzi have actually
> published so many papers!! :-) Surprise surprise, I
> thought she only spend the time playing around in
> Tsinghua :-D
>
> BTW, Niangzi, your picture from lab is quite good
> looking :-) Absolutely not "man3 lian3 heng2 rou4"
> like me :"(
>
> Yesterday I still saw a lot of posts on Tianya, and
> people are again posting my previous work and my
> parents home etc. To be frank I don't know why
> Tianya
> suddenly stopped. I don't think it's police, cos in
> Sina and many other sites it's still very hot. Why
> they only stop Tianya then? If, IF, it's really Gong
> An, want to carm down this thing, they again proved
> themselves to be stupid, only find Tianya and
> ignored
> investigating Zhu Ling's case!
>
> Anyway, TAKE CARE all!
>
> Wei
>
> --- Jin Ya <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > hehehe, agree with Hanlin, they are really
> "capable"
> > of digging out others' privacy. I found they
> > deduced
> > me to be "tai yang zheng nuan", quite reasonable,
> :)
> > http://www.is4u.net/gta4/news.aspx?nid=4635
> (except
> > my
> > publication list only gives those rubbish ones I
> > wrote, qie~~~ :P), if the link is still there when
> u
> > read.
> >
> > by the way, I saw:
> >
> > 『虂E脑犹浮?暂停“謥E丒柚卸臼录碧致鄣耐ㄖ?> >
> >
> > 作者：webmaster 提交日期：2006-1-19 12:06:00
> >
> >
> 为有利于事件的顺利解决，有关“謥E丒柚卸臼录被?> 题暂停讨论，敬莵E魑煌雅浜稀?> >
> >
> >
> > 特此通知
> > 2006-1-19
> > --------------------------------
> >
> > So the Gong-an will finally do something? Really
> > hope
> > so, I feel really need the authorized dept to say
> > something.
> >
> > --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Sun Xiaozhu,
> > >
> > > I've searched a different database
> (OVID/MEDLINE)
> > > from
> > > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> > > references
> > > don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> > > couple of papers of interest through our
> > > inter-library
> > > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> > > striking information was obtained. The patients
> > > cited
> > > in most papers were administrated and treated in
> > > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored
> for
> > > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose
> > in
> > > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure
> out
> > > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
> > >
> > > Yazi,
> > >
> > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email,
> I
> > > can
> > > only open them at home (which doesn't help
> much).
> > I
> > > need to have the list of your hit references
> (was
> > it
> > > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them
> at
> > > work
> > > and do searches.
> > >
> > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I
> > am
> > > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> > > shocked at their "capability", they did a
> reverse
> > > search and find my current home address, my
> > pictures
> > > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer
> > title,
> > > and even attached a satillite map of my house
> from
> > > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the
> > bright
> > > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as
> the
> > > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah?
> So,
> > > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4
> > girl,
> > > as
> > > I was told someone has already digged out your
> > > picture
> > > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> > > even
> > > know where it is. :-)
> > >
> > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is
> > now
> > > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway,
> keep
> > me
> > > posted for anything new.
> > >
> > > Take care, all piglets.
> > >
> > > Hanlin
> > >
> > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
>
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To: "Hanlin Li" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Jin Ya" <[email protected]>, "Qi Wang" <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected]
Hanlin,
I VERY VERY much agree with you: I always talk with
xxx, how ugly human nature can be when they don't need
to be responsible! I also talked with my brother about what they did to
you, you know what my brother said? He was very angry
and said you should claim back the money, including
the interest! :-P I fully understand your feeling -- I also feel so
discusting when read it. I have to say you are very
nice and still think it's not a good idea, if I were
you, i will never donate anymore. It's not about the
money at all, it's the feeling. I just hate my
kindness being USED by ugly people! Hanlin
One thing I think we should do now is, I also told
other piglets, to collect materials and "evidence"
that these people are mad, and they are doing crazy
things just to po4 hai4 us. I don't know exactly how
are we going to use the material yet, but it doesn't
harm to collect it. So could you pls collect these virus message / people/
ID, save the content so that it's readable offline
even if they delete it one day, or screenshot as well.
For those bad things, i.e., hurting your private
life/privacy, work, curse, virus words, so something
like saying we are he2 mou2 murdering etc. Collect them now. One good side benifit is that if you think of this
purpose, you no longer get angry when reading those
posts :-) It works on me quite well :) Again, take care! --- Hanlin Li <[email protected]> wrote: > Agree with all, that Yazi's does look great in the
> picture, free advertisement! and I wouldn't be
> surprised that they find out Yazi is still
> available.
> :-), so...., Yazi, be prepared to get more love
> letters from secret admirers. :-)))
>
> The two pictures of mine were actully my recent
> pictures (2-3 years ago), which I posted onto my
> high-school alumni webpage, where the inside and
> outside of my house were shown. I know they are
> attacking us because they saw the house, that we
> work
> in a pretigeous pharm., they even estimated our
> annual
> income, and saying we were donating too little. but
> they didn't know we are actually donating annually
> through our company's donation program so the fund
> org. can get 100% match from Pfizer. But guess what,
> I
> got so disgusted about the discussion, it actually
> made me think that I probably won't donate any more
> in
> the future. I know it is bad thinking, but I am just
> so sick of it. What right do they have to finger
> point
> us! Forget it!!!
>
> I think it would be hard for them to find out who my
> boss is, because my boss just keeps changing. :-) I
> am
> going to meet my 5th boss (in 4 years) in the next
> month or so. Hopefully, they won't find HR, that's
> when I may get into trouble. Anyway, I will be
> prepared. These days, my Chinese colleagues keep
> asking me, why they are aftering us, what are they
> up
> to? That's exactly the thing I couldn't understand,
> what are they thinking when they do these mean
> things,
> just for fun? or they really believe they are
> someone,
> while in reality they are nobody? People! Ugly
> people!
>
> You all take care!
>
> Hanlin
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hanlin
> > So so so sorry to make you all famous! :-( Be
> really
> > careful, those people can do anything. Digging out
> > the
> > info is 1st step, next they may do things more
> mean.
> > Like Jinya's boss got the anonymos letter saying
> she
> > was the suspect! You & Gang need to be very
> careful,
> > especially you, as somebody think you were the
> > roommate. Maybe you want to inform your boss
> ahead?
> > If he/she knows about cultural revolution, it's
> > easier
> > for them to understand, like Ya's boss. Anyway,
> you
> > decide yourself, but just get prepared...
> >
> > Don't be chou4 mei3 about the comment of being
> > "Liang4
> > li4" :-P
> > They won't stop doing mean things simply because
> you
> > are "Liang4 Li4".
> > BTW, maybe you want to share with us your "liang
> li"
> > picture in high-school? I haven't seen it before
> :-)
> > I also remembered I saw somewhere people found out
> > the
> > amount of Gang's denate to ZhuLing and people are
> > spreading virus words, saying it's too little etc.
> I
> > was sooo furious! How ugly people are!! Recently
> I'm
> > always surprised about this topic :(
> >
> > Back to your question, according to media, it's
> > lethal, I mean dose in ZL's blood.
> >
> >
> > > Sun Xiaozhu,
> > >
> > > I've searched a different database
> (OVID/MEDLINE)
> > > from
> > > Pfizer e-library, unfortunately, almost all
> > > references
> > > don't have full-text available. I've requested a
> > > couple of papers of interest through our
> > > inter-library
> > > loan (it ususally takes ~ 2 days), but not much
> > > striking information was obtained. The patients
> > > cited
> > > in most papers were administrated and treated in
> > > hospitcal days after poisioning, and monitored
> for
> > > long-term symptoms afterwards. What was the dose
> > in
> > > Zhu Ling's blood again? I am trying to figure
> out
> > > again if it is acute toxic limit or lethal.
> > >
> > > Yazi,
> > >
> > > The attachements you sent in your earlier email,
> I
> > > can
> > > only open them at home (which doesn't help
> much).
> > I
> > > need to have the list of your hit references
> (was
> > it
> > > 300?) in some other format, so I can open them
> at
> > > work
> > > and do searches.
> > >
> > > Now my name is all over the place on internet, I
> > am
> > > the next famous person than Sun Xiaozhu. I am so
> > > shocked at their "capability", they did a
> reverse
> > > search and find my current home address, my
> > pictures
> > > from my high-school alumni website, my Pfizer
> > title,
> > > and even attached a satillite map of my house
> from
> > > google. isn't that amazing? Well, look at the
> > bright
> > > side of it, as I found somebody referred me as
> the
> > > "Liang4 Li4" wife of Gang, so not too bad, ah?
> So,
> > > Yazi, be prepared to be called the Liang4 Li4
> > girl,
> > > as
> > > I was told someone has already digged out your
> > > picture
> > > from your research lab's homepage, which I don't
> > > even
> > > know where it is. :-)
> > >
> > > I also noticed that the discussion at Tianya is
> > now
> > > banned. I guess that's a good thing? Anyway,
> keep
> > me
> > > posted for anything new.
> > >
> > > Take care, all piglets.
> > >
> > > Hanlin
> > >
> > > --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Dear Niangzi
Your comment is right!
1. For this point, I thought and thought, read and
read, have the same feeling as you do, so already
deleted from the doc. Although it's true, it will just
make it worse if it's from my mouth :( 2.Good point. And I decided to simplify this part
greatly to avoid people thinking negatively. 3.Simpson?! Niangzi, you have been abroad for toooooo
long! I mean 佘祥林！He was sentensed to death 11
years ago, later changed to Si3 Huan3, cos he was
suspected to have killed his wife. But his wife just
came back home 11 years later! Have a nice day! --- Jin Ya <[email protected]> wrote: > 娘子，
>
> 我看过第二版了，再提出几点意见，还是权作参考。
>
>
1。 “...朱令也是校社团的积极分子。社团和团委的骨干成员有单独的宿舍楼，不分院系、年级，既没有熄灯和用电限制也不锁楼门，是大家聚会、活动的中心。朱令经常回宿舍很晚。她第一次中毒后返校期间仍然每天中午去社团或团委煎药，据她自己说也有时是别人提前帮她煎好了的。”这一段如果写得再圆滑一点就好了，象加个“举个例子来说”，“比如说”这样的词句。如果我是不知情的人，很可能会觉得你在暗示这个情况和中毒有密切关系，如果不是你的本意的话，可能会有一些反面作用。看你的考虑。
>
>
2。你爷爷那一段，我觉得挺好的。不过能不能稍微表达一下你爷爷出身贫寒，自己奋斗成材的意思，反正就是别让人觉得你们家是那种大的“世家”，有很多人罩着的那种。
>
>
3。 “前不久的ｘｘｘ杀妻案为什么会被判刑？就是因为“死者”家属有怀疑，而且又找到了一具女尸，看似证据确凿，而ｘｘｘ又拿不出证据证明自己无罪。其实这也是许多未破案件时一些被怀疑人遇到的共同问题。”看到这一段我是想到了你说的应该是"Simpson"的案子，但我的印象不深，google以后才了解了详情和最后判决，但其他人会不会也能立刻想到？不过也许国内新闻曾广泛报道过？另外，我google后的感觉是这个案子实在太复杂了，所以好多人好像还是对Simpson到底杀妻没有心存疑虑。再让你家里人帮你参谋参谋，别起到了反作用。
>
>
我觉得你写得挺好的，这些意见都是我尽量站在不知情人的角度上吹毛求疵的结果:)。我和其他小猪的担心一样，写得再好，也会有人故意或不故意地曲解。而且这两天我在想，如果是朱家刻意地散布这些谣言，可能就是为了把你逼出来，现在也算达到了目的了,sigh。不过也没法再躲了。但你一定要做好心理准备，要我们帮忙的尽管说，另外怎么发表，从什么渠道，多少网站开始，还有对可能发生情况的应对（来自朱家，公安什么的），也要做好准备。虽然我知道你家里人和xxx肯定已经帮你想到了，还是忍不住多个嘴:P.
>
> 好了，正经事说完了，祝各个小猪圣诞快乐，新年好！
>
> --- Yes No <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > sorry, wrong typing, it was "thethruth" to open it
> >
> > Merry Xmas!
> > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.
> > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
> >
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:56:15 -0800 (PST)
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the same password as usual. happy new year!
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Here you go.
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this is what I was working on when Hanlin called.
I will reply to Bei's statement first.
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sorry, my network is so slow....
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Extracted points.
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--- P2 <[email protected]> wrote: > Extracted points.
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Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:32:48 +0800
Help to check and look if anything I need missed.
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my comment for your reference.
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done. please review. --- P2 <[email protected]> wrote: >
>
> --- P2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Extracted points.
>
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I added some "meat" :) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:40:10 -0800 (PST)
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I added some "meat" :)
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Subject: Re: I am back to reality
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:03 +0800
So early?
I heard qizi said you will go back on Jan. 16th so, I am thinking of
calling you this weekend. Sigh! Am I mis-understand? Recently, my colleagues asked me serveral times about Zhuling. It looks
the
influence of article "Tian Du" is far enough. I didn't tell them I am
her
classmate. As the looker-on, they are only curious, I think. And I
don't
want to make more curiosity. :( Gao
Hanlin Li
<[email protected]
om>
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Jin
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Subject
I am back to reality
Dear piglets, I am back to US now, again, I am having post-vacation
trauma. No matter how long I stayed at home, it always
seems too short. Qizi, I really miss you. I had so much fun hanging out
with you guys. Thank you for the gift, it was really
nice of you. And tell P4 I missed him too. hahaha...
:-) Sun Xiaozhu, I am really sorry that I didn't really
keep up with the progress on internet after I got to
Shanghai. I felt really guilty for having fun while
you were suffering. So what's new now? any
instructions for what's next? Is your life easier
after the post? Are you gals still MSN everyday? Hanlin Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:16:55 -0800 (PST)
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Girls
I don't know how to express my feeling except by
repeating that I'm so moved -- I know I'm not good at
expression feelings :-P although I'm good at being
ironic :-P
Anyway, this is the most memorable "re-union" I had! Hanlin, never feel bad that you enjoyed your life in
SH -- we all know it even if you don't say a word :-D
-- you are still the same you :-P
And I'm still the same me -- I will also enjoy my life
-- The more they want to torture me, I more I will
live better and enjoy more about life! An update to you all about current situation:
Zhu's Mom has started raising this issue to new papers
and magazines, and Sina and Sohu reported on the 1st
page.
I'm pretty sure that she will start to target TV soon.
BTW, yesterday the journalist is already calling my
parents home (they get the number from Zhu's family)
and asked to interview me. My dad rejected, but maybe
they will quote my dad's word saying that he rejected
to be interviewed etc. Who knows. Now, seriously, I do need your help! Cos I'm prepared
either to be exposed by media, or sue them.
And I do need your support to clarify something. 1. Zhu's mom told the journalist that I envy her
daughter and 挑拨朱和另一个舍友的关系, don't know who
though.
So I need the official confirmation from wang qi and
jin ya that I never 挑拨你们和朱的关系。of cause she
can still insist that her daughter said so, but it
will be quite weak, cos if sb want to 挑拨, it should
be from both sides. 2. Zhu's mom told skyoneline (in page 20 of my
statement) that 我造谣说朱社交广泛 while in fact she
was not.
I need also the official confirmation from you all,
and from your own respect, saying that zhu does have
broad social activities, and often doesn't particiapte
class activities.
belle and Hanlin can also, if you still remember,
confirm that zhu is always back to dorm very late,
i.e., when we had fun in our dorm after 晚自习, she is
normally not there.
if you still remember that she sometimes don't even
come back,can say it, but if you don't remember, just
don't say. Wangqi and Ya, for you two piglets, I need the confirm
from your side that she was always back very late, up
to 12, and sometimes not coming back at all. I know it's very bad to say it, and that's why in the
past we never tell something like this. but now her
mother is pushing for this and I simply have no choice
at all :-( Could you? 3. Her mom also said to skyoneline that the "coffee
cup" Bei described was true!
So, need you 2 to confirm again :(
I'm very sorry that all these statements have to be
with your real name.
And I do understand the concern... --- if her family
is this mad, they may hate you all as well if you said
sth for me and again them. So, absolutely fine if you have the concern. and
absolutely if you can't do it :-) Anyway, all the best wishes to of the piglets, and
piglets' hbs & bf ：） Wei Subject: Re: update
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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:09:06 +0800
Dear niangzi, And I also notice there is a person who said he/she is your
neighborhood
and write out your parents' address.
Busy day. Write to you later. Gao
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