很多人说“你能先在某一轮感染中活下来啊”，我就奇怪了，没疫苗前重症率就只有2%（其中还包括因为其他原因住院被算在新冠头上的），CDC老大也说了75%+死于新冠的都是有四种+基础病以上的，CDC网站上写着没毛病的死于新冠的占死亡总人数不到10%，为何健康的你们都认为自己不打疫苗挺不过任何一轮感染？！ https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-natural-immunity-outperformed-vaccines-against-delta-strain/ar-AASWPCZ?ocid=msedgntp Before Delta became dominant, individuals who had natural immunity were experiencing higher case rates than individuals who were only vaccinated,the study found, but after Delta took hold, those with natural immunity caught COVID-19 less frequently than those who were only vaccinated. Many legacy media outlets covered the study by minimizing the finding the natural immunity outperformed vaccines and emphasizing that a combination of both provided the best protection （我家儿医就是这样跟我说的）。Headlines from the New York Times, Associated Press, CNN and others claimed that vaccination offers the “best ” or “safest” protection according to the study. 佛罗里达橙县卫生局员工疫苗率小于50%， 低于佛州平均值64%。（在没有被强制的情况下），为什么卫生局疫苗率低于平均值？难道他们看到的不是死的人大部分是没打疫苗的？ Raul Pino, director of the Florida Department of Health in Orange County, sent an email to employees earlier this month that was critical of the agency’s vaccination rate. Pino, a leading figure in the public response to the pandemic in the Orlando area, noted that only 77 of the 568 staffers had received booster shots and 219 employees had gotten two doses of coronavirus vaccines, according to WFTV, which first reported the story. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/19/florida-raul-pino-vaccinated-leave-desantis/ British Medical Journal – one of the world''s oldest general medical journals – calls for the full and immediate release of all data related to COVID vaccines and treatments. The BMJ is a weekly peer-reviewed medical trade journal, published by the trade union the British Medical Association. The BMJ has editorial freedom from the BMA. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-says-natural-immunity-outperformed-vaccines-against-delta-strain/ar-AASWPCZ?ocid=msedgntp
Before Delta became dominant, individuals who had natural immunity were experiencing higher case rates than individuals who were only vaccinated,the study found, but after Delta took hold, those with natural immunity caught COVID-19 less frequently than those who were only vaccinated.
Many legacy media outlets covered the study by minimizing the finding the natural immunity outperformed vaccines and emphasizing that a combination of both provided the best protection （我家儿医就是这样跟我说的）。Headlines from the New York Times, Associated Press, CNN and others claimed that vaccination offers the “best ” or “safest” protection according to the study.
佛罗里达橙县卫生局员工疫苗率小于50%， 低于佛州平均值64%。（在没有被强制的情况下），为什么卫生局疫苗率低于平均值？难道他们看到的不是死的人大部分是没打疫苗的？
Raul Pino, director of the Florida Department of Health in Orange County, sent an email to employees earlier this month that was critical of the agency’s vaccination rate. Pino, a leading figure in the public response to the pandemic in the Orlando area, noted that only 77 of the 568 staffers had received booster shots and 219 employees had gotten two doses of coronavirus vaccines, according to WFTV, which first reported the story. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/19/florida-raul-pino-vaccinated-leave-desantis/
British Medical Journal – one of the world''s oldest general medical journals – calls for the full and immediate release of all data related to COVID vaccines and treatments.
The BMJ is a weekly peer-reviewed medical trade journal, published by the trade union the British Medical Association. The BMJ has editorial freedom from the BMA.
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102
没有基础病的健康人新冠死亡率远不到0.1%，这个你自己可以去CDC网上看。至于疫苗，你可以去Open VAERS上看疫苗副作用和死亡数据总结。打了疫苗不死但是有副作用（比如鲜花版上就有很多人提及的心脏不适，大姨妈严重紊乱，浑身起疹子痒得睡不着） 生活质量也大大下降，这些你是不是都觉得问题不大对你来说不是事儿？这些可是已经证实的短期副作用，长期的连数据都没有就更不知道了。你的身边有多少人得了新冠有副作用的？我身边的包括我自己全家没见过，这个网站上我也没看到谁抱怨过。何况现在打了疫苗照样感染，这时候你就不担心疫苗和新冠双重副作用了？
纽约是怎么统计数据的，塞了多少新冠老人去养老院推高死亡率我已经开过楼讨论过了，你不会到现在还认为他们的数据没有任何问题吧？
你如果认为自己一定会是那重症的2%之一（这里边有因其他原因进医院的，绝大部分都是有基础病的）我觉得应该打，但是我不理解的是为何打了疫苗只要没重症就认为是疫苗的功劳？难道所有打了疫苗的人都是那2%？你觉得可能吗？
有不同观点没关系，有讨论更是正常，不要这么咄咄逼人的讲话，可能会让别人觉得更客观些
如果用身边人举例子的，我身边打疫苗的比得新冠的人多了很多倍，同样没听到有人抱怨除了48小时之外的副作用。我同事疫情早期得了新冠，反复烧了5周，很是折磨，这算是我知道比较严重的情况。也没有听说过疫苗加得了新冠的双重副作用的说法。我看到的是疫苗可以减少重症，而long covid又是和重症直接相关的。
我没看过你开的楼，只是今天碰巧看见这个话题，说了两句自己的疑问而已。
不好意思，如果我只是反问你两个问题就让你觉得咄咄逼人的话我道歉。欢迎你提出疑问加入讨论。
看身边人的确样本不够大，要说不打疫苗感染，我全家都是轻症，我更是只有嗓子不舒服了几天，这还是omicron出来之前，所以身边的案例的确不能说明啥，因此我说要看CDC的官方数据重症率才有一定帮助。你去鲜花版看看，很多打了疫苗感染了的症状也不轻，只是不用去ER而已。所以你如果担心自己症状过重得long covid，首先我们得弄清楚到底多重的症状会造成后遗症？如果你有相关资料欢迎在本楼分享，谢谢。我之前转发过法国大型研究发现现在唯一能确定的long covid只有嗅觉失灵。
如果愿意读的话，可以看： https://thehighwire.com/playlist/get-factsinated/