这点我无法同意, 何为善,和为恶。 尽管我认为这对夫妇罪有因得,involuntary manslaughter 的起诉恰如其分,但现有报道都是媒体给的,我希望有一个厉害的律师来为他们用尽洪荒之力辩护, 而不是由一个法庭指定的律师。 这样才是美国的司法体系,哪怕全世界都对你喊打喊杀,但还是有人为你辩护。 美国的司法原则就是It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer。 surge 发表于 2021-12-05 17:56
这点我无法同意, 何为善,和为恶。 尽管我认为这对夫妇罪有因得,involuntary manslaughter 的起诉恰如其分,但现有报道都是媒体给的,我希望有一个厉害的律师来为他们用尽洪荒之力辩护, 而不是由一个法庭指定的律师。 这样才是美国的司法体系,哪怕全世界都对你喊打喊杀,但还是有人为你辩护。 美国的司法原则就是It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer。 surge 发表于 2021-12-05 17:56
这点我无法同意, 何为善,和为恶。 尽管我认为这对夫妇罪有因得,involuntary manslaughter 的起诉恰如其分,但现有报道都是媒体给的,我希望有一个厉害的律师来为他们用尽洪荒之力辩护, 而不是由一个法庭指定的律师。 这样才是美国的司法体系,哪怕全世界都对你喊打喊杀,但还是有人为你辩护。 美国的司法原则就是It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer。
Michigan school massacre suspect’s mother wrote open letter to Trump praising his support for gun rights https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-trump-michigan-guns-b1968181.html?amp
密歇根学校枪击案凶手的母亲2016年在自己blog上给川普写信,责备儿子在学校挣扎是非法移民的错 Mom of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley praised Trump for his Second Amendment support in 2016 open letter: Now both parents face gun charges in son''s rampage that killed four and injured seven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10268829/The-mom-accused-Oxford-High-School-shooter-penned-letter-revealing-sons-struggles.html
The mother of an accused school shooter wrote an open letter to former President Trump after he was elected in 2016 detailing her son''s struggles in school. In the November 11, 2016 post on her blog, Jennifer Crumbley, 43, wrote that her 10-year-old son, Ethan, had been struggling in school, and blamed Common Core and illegal immigrants for her son''s apparent difficulty with math. He would be charged as an adult five years later for a shooting at Oxford high School on November 30 that left four teenagers dead, and many others injured. ''You see Mr. Trump, I need you to stop Common Core,'' Jennifer wrote, noting: ''My son struggles daily and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the[y] have to. Their pay depends on these stupid f****** test scores ''I have to pay for a tutor, why?'' she continued, ''because I can''t figure out fourth-grade math. ''I used to be good at math,'' Jennifer noted, adding that she cannot afford a tutor for her son and ''in fact, I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.'' Jennifer started complaining about ''illegal immigrant parents'' and their children at a school where her mom teaches. ''Most of their parents are locked up,'' Jennifer wrote. ''They don''t care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades.'' ''Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our government so they can succeed?'' she continued. ''Why can''t my son get those things, do we as hard-working Americans not deserve that too.''
密歇根学校枪击案凶手的母亲2016年在自己blog上给川普写信,责备儿子在学校挣扎是非法移民的错 Mom of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley praised Trump for his Second Amendment support in 2016 open letter: Now both parents face gun charges in son''s rampage that killed four and injured seven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10268829/The-mom-accused-Oxford-High-School-shooter-penned-letter-revealing-sons-struggles.html
The mother of an accused school shooter wrote an open letter to former President Trump after he was elected in 2016 detailing her son''s struggles in school. In the November 11, 2016 post on her blog, Jennifer Crumbley, 43, wrote that her 10-year-old son, Ethan, had been struggling in school, and blamed Common Core and illegal immigrants for her son''s apparent difficulty with math. He would be charged as an adult five years later for a shooting at Oxford high School on November 30 that left four teenagers dead, and many others injured. ''You see Mr. Trump, I need you to stop Common Core,'' Jennifer wrote, noting: ''My son struggles daily and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the[y] have to. Their pay depends on these stupid f****** test scores ''I have to pay for a tutor, why?'' she continued, ''because I can''t figure out fourth-grade math. ''I used to be good at math,'' Jennifer noted, adding that she cannot afford a tutor for her son and ''in fact, I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.'' Jennifer started complaining about ''illegal immigrant parents'' and their children at a school where her mom teaches. ''Most of their parents are locked up,'' Jennifer wrote. ''They don''t care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades.'' ''Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our government so they can succeed?'' she continued. ''Why can''t my son get those things, do we as hard-working Americans not deserve that too.''
After being informed by the school about their son’s behavior, Mrs. Crumbley texted to her son: “LOL, I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught,” Ms. McDonald said. 儿子明显精神不对头,学校也发出警告了,当妈的还在那里LOL。还说什么不要被抓到就好。还给买枪。这简直就是协同犯罪啊! 希望这件事能给其他LOL父母一个警示。
这里有个timeline, 家长的责任很大,感觉杀手父母脑袋也有点不清醒。 Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley's father, James Crumbley, purchased a gun with his son present. On or about Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley posted photos of a semi-automatic gun on social media with a caption: “Just got my new beauty today. SIG SAUER 9mm.” On or about Nov. 27: Jennifer Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's mother, made a social media post that read, “mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present.” Nov. 29: A teacher at Oxford High School observed Ethan searching for ammunition on his phone and reported that information to school officials. His parents did not reply when the school attempted to contact them. Later, Jennifer Crumbley exchanged texts with Ethan stating, “LOL I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.” Nov. 30: On the morning of the shooting, Ethan’s teacher came across a note that “alarmed her to the point that she took a picture of it on her cell phone.” The note contained “a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words ‘the thoughts won’t stop. help me.’" Also included in the note was a drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above it. Between the gun and the bullet is a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and bleeding with a laughing emoji under it. The note also has “my life is useless” and “the world is dead” scrawled on it. The parents were “immediately summoned to the school." A school counselor removed Ethan from class with his backpack and obtained the note, but the drawings of the gun, bloody figure and writings were all “altered.” At the meeting with school officials, his parents were shown the drawing and were told they had to submit their son to counseling within 48 hours. His parents did not ask the whereabouts of the gun and did not to inspect his backpack for the gun which he had with him, according to McDonald. His parents “resisted” the idea of taking Ethan out of school and left without him.
这里有个timeline, 家长的责任很大,感觉杀手父母脑袋也有点不清醒。 Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley's father, James Crumbley, purchased a gun with his son present. On or about Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley posted photos of a semi-automatic gun on social media with a caption: “Just got my new beauty today. SIG SAUER 9mm.” On or about Nov. 27: Jennifer Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's mother, made a social media post that read, “mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present.” Nov. 29: A teacher at Oxford High School observed Ethan searching for ammunition on his phone and reported that information to school officials. His parents did not reply when the school attempted to contact them. Later, Jennifer Crumbley exchanged texts with Ethan stating, “LOL I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.” Nov. 30: On the morning of the shooting, Ethan’s teacher came across a note that “alarmed her to the point that she took a picture of it on her cell phone.” The note contained “a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words ‘the thoughts won’t stop. help me.’" Also included in the note was a drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above it. Between the gun and the bullet is a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and bleeding with a laughing emoji under it. The note also has “my life is useless” and “the world is dead” scrawled on it. The parents were “immediately summoned to the school." A school counselor removed Ethan from class with his backpack and obtained the note, but the drawings of the gun, bloody figure and writings were all “altered.” At the meeting with school officials, his parents were shown the drawing and were told they had to submit their son to counseling within 48 hours. His parents did not ask the whereabouts of the gun and did not to inspect his backpack for the gun which he had with him, according to McDonald. His parents “resisted” the idea of taking Ethan out of school and left without him.
密歇根枪击案疑犯15岁学生的父母分别以4项过失杀人罪起诉。其父带子购买枪支做圣诞礼物;
其母在学校发现儿子网上搜子弹信息后反而鼓励儿子“我不生你气,只要不被发现就好”;
两人存枪于卧室里未上锁的抽屉;
案发前学校发现孩子所绘枪击暴力的画后约谈两人,结束后并未带走儿子,他得以回教室行凶。
父母监管不当,也要负刑责。
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what? 然后让那10个guilty的人继续出来害人是嘛?法律的存在不只是为了给已经受害的人一个公平,更大的作用是把这些危险的人locked起来,避免更多无辜的人受害。
是啊,而且学校的责任也很大,不比这对父母小。学校有责任让学校成为安全的地方,这学校绝对是失职的,其实校长等其实也知道他们也是难逃责任的,于是已经开始推卸责任了。而且一个老师用个人手机拍下,这都是不是正确的做法。
这点我无法同意, 何为善,和为恶。 尽管我认为这对夫妇罪有因得,involuntary manslaughter 的起诉恰如其分,但现有报道都是媒体给的,我希望有一个厉害的律师来为他们用尽洪荒之力辩护, 而不是由一个法庭指定的律师。 这样才是美国的司法体系,哪怕全世界都对你喊打喊杀,但还是有人为你辩护。 美国的司法原则就是It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer。
死者的父母都崩溃好几天了
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不过分啊。枪支的拥有者,以及行凶者的监护人,这两个方向都可能连带到这种罪名。
应该!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10268829/The-mom-accused-Oxford-High-School-shooter-penned-letter-revealing-sons-struggles.html
The mother of an accused school shooter wrote an open letter to former President Trump after he was elected in 2016 detailing her son''s struggles in school. In the November 11, 2016 post on her blog, Jennifer Crumbley, 43, wrote that her 10-year-old son, Ethan, had been struggling in school, and blamed Common Core and illegal immigrants for her son''s apparent difficulty with math.
He would be charged as an adult five years later for a shooting at Oxford high School on November 30 that left four teenagers dead, and many others injured.
''You see Mr. Trump, I need you to stop Common Core,'' Jennifer wrote, noting: ''My son struggles daily and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the[y] have to. Their pay depends on these stupid f****** test scores ''I have to pay for a tutor, why?'' she continued, ''because I can''t figure out fourth-grade math.
''I used to be good at math,'' Jennifer noted, adding that she cannot afford a tutor for her son and ''in fact, I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.'' Jennifer started complaining about ''illegal immigrant parents'' and their children at a school where her mom teaches.
''Most of their parents are locked up,'' Jennifer wrote. ''They don''t care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades.'' ''Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our government so they can succeed?'' she continued. ''Why can''t my son get those things, do we as hard-working Americans not deserve that too.''
拥枪的父母这么教育孩子(都是周围人的错,咱买枪来捍卫自己),出现这样的结果,可以说既是意外也是情理之中。
另外:非法移民绝对是口好锅。不知道打死的孩子里有几个是非法移民的孩子。
说自己一家赚4万刀不够花,但是有钱买枪。
华人川粉:把基因不够白的孩子都从学校赶出去,就不会发生这样的事情了!
枪没有错,小英雄也没有错,都是非法移民的错,都是有色人种的错,都是民主党的错,都是中国的错!
如果不是她儿子干了这么罪恶的事情,她应该是Klepper节目的极佳采访对象
快去请愿把小英雄一家放出来!加油,无数的大妈支持你!!
白人好日子过了几百年,杀人不用负责的那么多,偶尔要负责任了,就扯别的种族如何对他们不公平,而且这种喊冤还是精神白人说的。
她责怪common core,和这的群众呼声一样,当然原因完全相反:common core造成了她儿子的struggle,跟不上。
能不能不要露出来恶心人?
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不懂就问:他们家这枪多少钱买的?
另外,数学不好的妈妈表示辅导一下4年级的数学还是绰绰有余的,虽然common core的确一言难尽
天哪,大妈们眼泪都要流下来了!
万恶的common core就是民主党搞出来为有色人种服务的,小英雄反对common core,维护校园正义,维护白人利益,英雄啊!他妈妈还是川总的忠实粉丝,一家都是英雄啊!美利坚的英雄!
这封信第一段说不应该common core考试,让他儿子struggle,第二段说非法移民不在乎考分,让她妈难受。她到底想说什么,儿子智商随妈…
去看了一下新闻,他们应该被告。这枪是他们买给儿子的圣诞礼物!当天他儿子在网上搜子弹,学校联系他妈,他妈短信他不要被抓到。他画了一幅枪杀的画,学校叫了家长,然后他又回了教室,没有人搜他的背包里有没枪。感觉学校也有点责任。
同意父母责任最大,学校也有点责任,这种恐怖分子应该目送离开学校。
是的,这家父母的行为太有问题了!
同意。这样才能促使感觉管不住了的时候赶紧报告。
儿子明显精神不对头,学校也发出警告了,当妈的还在那里LOL。还说什么不要被抓到就好。还给买枪。这简直就是协同犯罪啊!
希望这件事能给其他LOL父母一个警示。
什么智商。。。。common core 这么简单的对于她儿子都难了,难道不想想是不是自己儿子智商有问题?我去,就是学学什么1000 以内加减乘除,分数什么的。。
原来是这么回事,我一直好奇,他父母被叫去谈话是什么样的问题,看起来学校已经开始警觉了,不知道谈话家长是怎么花言巧语哄学校的。
而且,他和父母和校长谈话的时候,枪可能就在他身边,当时因为COVID,学生的背包都是随身带,不放locker,我要是校长,不知道有多庆幸,那天谈话如果谈崩了,这孩子会不会马上掏枪把校长干掉了
是的,根据今天的最新消息来看,学校也有责任,估计也将会被charge。
我们这儿背包仍然要求放在locker里,另外,我们这儿要求学生的手机和电子设备也得放在locker里,所以我看到Oxford High的学生在教室里居然有手机也有点意外。
这小孩是绝对的psycho,内心肯定自卑的一塌糊涂。他根本不敢开枪打死有权威的人,只敢对同学开枪,甚至都不敢给自己一枪,就是个coward
我们这儿高中不知道,我孩子在初中,也是上个月开始背包可以放locker了,至于手机,学校是说要么放locker,要么关机,但是孩子最近说她发现很多人就随身带的,因为有时候老师都说,我现在黑板上写的,你们拍张照片做记录
真不明白美国人祖上积了什么德,这么一群弱智居然还能世界第一强国。估计靠的就是好勇斗狠。
支持。几年前康州那个射杀小学生的也是拿了他妈妈的枪
的确, 没敢给自己一枪。 比以前的杀手弱了一个等级呀。
美国向来都是5%的人带着95%的人狂奔,这5%的就是人间凤雏。
中国就缺这5%么???
那难说,学校是不可以随便搜书包的。要有合理怀疑。以前有案例的,不能只是听说学生是gang member 就搜包,哪怕真的搜了抢出来。不过locker 是学校财产可以随便搜的。
是啊!哥伦拜高中屠杀的两个枪手都自杀了。 这个小孩还苟活着。活个什么劲儿呢。
这种混蛋父母不告,留着过年吗?
天哪!!!跟他父母谈话的老师都得有心理阴影了吧。 这是什么父母和孩子啊!
Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley's father, James Crumbley, purchased a gun with his son present. On or about Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley posted photos of a semi-automatic gun on social media with a caption: “Just got my new beauty today. SIG SAUER 9mm.” On or about Nov. 27: Jennifer Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's mother, made a social media post that read, “mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present.” Nov. 29: A teacher at Oxford High School observed Ethan searching for ammunition on his phone and reported that information to school officials. His parents did not reply when the school attempted to contact them. Later, Jennifer Crumbley exchanged texts with Ethan stating, “LOL I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.” Nov. 30: On the morning of the shooting, Ethan’s teacher came across a note that “alarmed her to the point that she took a picture of it on her cell phone.” The note contained “a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words ‘the thoughts won’t stop. help me.’" Also included in the note was a drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above it. Between the gun and the bullet is a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and bleeding with a laughing emoji under it. The note also has “my life is useless” and “the world is dead” scrawled on it. The parents were “immediately summoned to the school." A school counselor removed Ethan from class with his backpack and obtained the note, but the drawings of the gun, bloody figure and writings were all “altered.” At the meeting with school officials, his parents were shown the drawing and were told they had to submit their son to counseling within 48 hours. His parents did not ask the whereabouts of the gun and did not to inspect his backpack for the gun which he had with him, according to McDonald. His parents “resisted” the idea of taking Ethan out of school and left without him.
想说都是别人的错呗。。。这家人给人无法面对自己的极限还有暴力倾向的感觉。
一年收入四万还请得起律师? 很快要让川粉募捐了吧
跑路了???
这也行?这对父母真是垃圾中的战斗机!
好魔幻,他们开始逃了。
看不懂中文还是咋的?你不是大妈就别上大妈网。我又没说不应该追究监护人,只是说不管啥肤色的未成年犯罪都应该追究监护人责任,不要区别对待,请问怎么踩着您尾巴了?还是说别的肤色的犯罪人是你的小英雄?
密歇根枪击案疑犯15岁学生的父母分别以4项过失杀人罪起诉。其父带子购买枪支做圣诞礼物;
其母在学校发现儿子网上搜子弹信息后反而鼓励儿子“我不生你气,只要不被发现就好”;
两人存枪于卧室里未上锁的抽屉;
案发前学校发现孩子所绘枪击暴力的画后约谈两人,结束后并未带走儿子,他得以回教室行凶。
美国人大部分都很笨的,这个国家之所以强大,因为别的国家的人才都来这里了,否则就靠美国本土人,真的大多数很笨,看他们的学习成绩就知道了,而且属于教不会的。
学校official 明明也有很大责任。家长至少是来了。要是根本不理学校请家长呢??感觉学校official 就是走程序应付事儿。
什么事儿啊这是!
What’s your point???虽然 Killer不是黑人黄人,但是还是他们的问题????
嗯,看明白了,是谁的错都不能是白人的错
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我觉得她不是这个意思,我领会到的是这可能就是杀手妈妈说的,对学区的diversity非常不满,这些其他地区和国家来的人,都是不劳而获地要分享属于她和她们的东西。
这要好好查查
真怂,一家子怂蛋
这还叫过失杀人吗,这特么就是杀人啊!
看了一楼的更新我觉得这特么就是种族动机的共谋犯罪。
当然了! 你以为监护人的职责是什么? 这又不是第一起父母因为枪支管理疏忽被告的了!
不是父母没保管好攻击性武器,而是父母给孩子买攻击性武器做圣诞礼物。
如果要拿刀对比的话,这个凶手不是从厨房拿了菜刀杀同学,而是当爹妈的给儿子买了一把开了刃的武士刀做礼物,然后儿子用武士刀砍了同学。
所以这个group的孩子想来个枪击party?
要是几个高中(甚至包括私立高中)同时出现枪击案,那可真是吓人啊。
必须第一时间扼杀在魔鬼萌芽的状态,可惜这个高中没被嗯住,先倒霉了。
死掉的四个孩子太可惜了。
受害者除了那个亚裔女孩,其他都是白人吧?这貌似不是种族问题。
我觉得动机就是处于对同学的嫉妒。受害的那两个女孩很漂亮,另一个爆出照片的受害男孩也是高大帅气的橄榄球员;这凶手长得一副窝囊像,又是自称“在学校被霸凌”,估计就是不如人家帅哥美女受欢迎所以心理变态了,然后他那个loser爹妈又觉得我家儿子不受待见那就是被霸凌了,结果就是这么回事。
这一家都该进监狱去。
啥叫不劳而获?白人镇因为生源和资金不足,所以open school,还招收花钱入学的国际学生。这叫不劳而获?真是花了钱给白人镇创收,还要被倒打一耙说不劳而获。另外,获得了什么?成绩好获得学校老师和同学的喜爱,以后可能比某些白傻儿子上的大学好?这也能被诟病,服了!有些人长着张黄皮,屁股却不知道歪到哪里去了。
觉得吃福利是不劳而获 然而,居然觉得别人花钱来读书是来沾便宜的。
是赚人钱还要踩人一脚的节奏么?
被害妄想症
你中文没学好么?你从哪里看到我屁股坐歪了?你看不懂中文可以去看凶手妈妈给trump写的公开信
这个就是 inception 以后会有样学样的