有在日本的华人知道或听说日本广泛用ivermectin 治疗或预防新冠吗

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csliz
楼主 (北美华人网)
有的请说说,
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vitd120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g
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csliz
回复 2楼vitd120的帖子
能简单总结吗,视频现在没法看,
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lis37
有一点我很确定,日本大和民族为了延续自己的种族存粹他们绝对地优化、选择!他们的处理动作值得关注➕
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steve888
有一点我很确定,日本大和民族为了延续自己的种族存粹他们绝对地优化、选择!他们的处理动作值得关注➕
lis37 发表于 2021-11-27 19:06

我倒觉得这次日本为了减少老龄化社会拼劲全力。
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csliz
回复 4楼lis37的帖子
啥意思,没懂
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tiramixu
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/qz32yj/when_the_ivermectin_kicks_in/
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csliz
回复 7楼tiramixu的帖子
这是搞笑??
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vitd120
回复 2楼vitd120的帖子
能简单总结吗,视频现在没法看,
csliz 发表于 2021-11-27 19:03

就是梳理一下日本疫情的时间线。他们对这些药管制比较松,医生是可以开的
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回复 9楼vitd120的帖子
哦,这样啊,那就是有用的,
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andrew70912
My dog takes it for heartworm prevention.
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vitd120
回复 11楼andrew70912的帖子
同样的图片干嘛发多遍?猪还用阿莫西林和头孢呢
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Haribough
这是我前两天看到的。是否可信就不知道了。
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2RS1NO
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回复 12楼vitd120的帖子
整天兽药兽药的,人和兽不就是进化树上同一根主干上的不同小分支吗?这药本来也用于人身上的寄生虫的。从生理结构上讲哪有那么多不同?要不药物进入人体临床试验之前为什么做动物实验啊?
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gzhsyw
不懂川粉大妈为什么老要拉着别的国家人给他们撑腰,一会印度一会日本的。 川粉,自信点!你们不打疫苗可以的!
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surge
哪怕贴个日文报道也好啊,不然哪个国家的case低了就硬要把这个药凑上去碰瓷,丢人不?
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lianqiao
不懂川粉大妈为什么老要拉着别的国家人给他们撑腰,一会印度一会日本的。 川粉,自信点!你们不打疫苗可以的!
gzhsyw 发表于 2021-11-27 21:33

为啥说到反疫苗就要马上老川啊?老川明明是疫苗支持者好吗?老川在任的时候那么积极地投钱给多家疫苗公司,还没出来就下了订单,促进疫苗通过FDA,就盼着疫苗赶到大选前出来。后来出了老川也打了疫苗啊。老川是反口罩支持疫苗的
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chenahi7
为啥说到反疫苗就要马上老川啊?老川明明是疫苗支持者好吗?老川在任的时候那么积极地投钱给多家疫苗公司,还没出来就下了订单,促进疫苗通过FDA,就盼着疫苗赶到大选前出来。后来出了老川也打了疫苗啊。老川是反口罩支持疫苗的
lianqiao 发表于 2021-11-27 21:48

可是人说的是川粉大妈有不是说你所说的老川?说川粉大妈等于说老川吗?
梦境行者
来,日本批准的治疗新冠药物 https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html 找找有没有马药?
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cibeijixiangruyi
有的请说说,
csliz 发表于 2021-11-27 18:59

这里牵扯到药物公司背后巨大的利益 很多消息是不会吐露的 必须自己看日文报道

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surge
这里牵扯到药物公司背后巨大的利益 很多消息是不会吐露的 必须自己看日文报道


cibeijixiangruyi 发表于 2021-11-27 22:07

日文报道你也发一篇啊
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cibeijixiangruyi
日文报道你也发一篇啊
surge 发表于 2021-11-27 22:08

有些东西看过就扔了 忘记了 你如果感兴趣 就自己搜日文
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Viviennedd
是不是日本人口罩常戴,不到处旅游了?人口流动少了?这一波一波的连新西兰都封锁不了了,不觉得哪个国家能长期封锁到底。
坛笑封声
贡献一个个例: 我闺蜜的儿子,在日本留学,打了两针疫苗。
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csliz
回复 13楼Haribough的帖子
这个我也google 过 ,日本政府官方是没有说明,还是支持疫苗的;不过他们医生学会的一个头,说过临川可以用;所以我现在就想侧面了解一下,到底实际情况如何!
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csliz
回复 24楼坛笑封声的帖子
好,谢谢,就是没听过马药什么事!
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Dohremi
成天马药马药的,人云亦云,都没动过脑筋。1996年开始在非洲免费在人身上使用推广,安全性高。
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug.
Ivermectin proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated and could be easily administered (a single, annual oral dose). It is used to treat a variety of internal nematode infections, including Onchocerciasis, Strongyloidiasis, Ascariasis, cutaneous larva migrans, filariases, Gnathostomiasis and Trichuriasis, as well as for oral treatment of ectoparasitic infections, such as Pediculosis (lice infestation) and scabies (mite infestation).14)Ivermectin is the essential mainstay of two global disease elimination campaigns that should soon rid the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis, which blight the lives of billions of the poor and disadvantaged throughout the tropics. 
Ivermectin swiftly became the drug of choice for the treatment of Onchocerciasis due to its unique and potent microfilaricidal effects, the absence of severe side effects and its excellent safety. It is now the sole tool being used in disease elimination campaigns in the 16 other African countries where the disease exists, orchestrated by the African Programme for Onchocerciasis Control (APOC), which commenced operations in 1996. A single annual dose of 150 µg/kg of ivermectin, given orally, can reduce the level of skin microfilariae to zero and, by interfering with worm embryogenesis, can delay the build-up of new microfilariae for a period of up to two years. 
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teabucket
这是开启科研模式了还是准备自己给自己看病提前找个心理安慰?如果有人在论坛里说是,你就敢自己给自己下药了吗
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Dohremi
能不能治疗新冠,大家可以看实验结果。人身上用了至少二十多年了,安全性应该没问题。 找医生开药,不要自己拍脑袋。
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surge
能不能治疗新冠,大家可以看实验结果。人身上用了至少二十多年了,安全性应该没问题。 找医生开药,不要自己拍脑袋。

Dohremi 发表于 2021-11-28 02:37

得了吧,你说的实验不外乎一些体外试验,有什么用?我还能用酒精来体外杀新冠病毒呢。要达到这个体外实验的浓度就需要超过安全剂量的用药,像你只说用了20年了安全而不说安全剂量的就是耍流氓。有本事说个临床三期的双盲实验来证明一下有效性
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Dohremi
得了吧,你说的实验不外乎一些体外试验,有什么用?我还能用酒精来体外杀新冠病毒呢。要达到这个体外实验的浓度就需要超过安全剂量的用药,像你只说用了20年了安全而不说安全剂量的就是耍流氓。有本事说个临床三期的双盲实验来证明一下有效性
surge 发表于 2021-11-28 02:47

有病找医生开药。我不是医生,也开不了药。医生要是开了,那是基于他们的职业操守和知识。剂量按医嘱。 我看不惯张口就马药马药的,你不是就别对号入座。 我在印尼的朋友就是吃了这个药。他六十,康复了,是不是这个药的功效,我不知道。我只知道印尼给每个新冠病人发这个药。
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csliz
回复 28楼teabucket的帖子
你自己脑补太厉害,我就是想了解一下,没有任何多余的意思!
我既不支持也不反对,只想更多了解!
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csliz
回复 31楼Dohremi的帖子
印尼这样吗,好谢谢
剑骨琴心
我家的handyman, 美国白人,吃了这个药,康复了。

这有篇日文,不知道是不是有用。 你可以用Google translate试试
https://www.pmda.go.jp/files/000243238.pdf

不过,还是不要自行吃药。我估计是有的医生支持,有的医生反对吧。
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hajime
我在日本,我没听说楼主说的,轻症是无药的,重症不知道。
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westlake
成天马药马药的,人云亦云,都没动过脑筋。1996年开始在非洲免费在人身上使用推广,安全性高。
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug.
Ivermectin proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated and could be easily administered (a single, annual oral dose). It is used to treat a variety of internal nematode infections, including Onchocerciasis, Strongyloidiasis, Ascariasis, cutaneous larva migrans, filariases, Gnathostomiasis and Trichuriasis, as well as for oral treatment of ectoparasitic infections, such as Pediculosis (lice infestation) and scabies (mite infestation).14)Ivermectin is the essential mainstay of two global disease elimination campaigns that should soon rid the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis, which blight the lives of billions of the poor and disadvantaged throughout the tropics. 
Ivermectin swiftly became the drug of choice for the treatment of Onchocerciasis due to its unique and potent microfilaricidal effects, the absence of severe side effects and its excellent safety. It is now the sole tool being used in disease elimination campaigns in the 16 other African countries where the disease exists, orchestrated by the African Programme for Onchocerciasis Control (APOC), which commenced operations in 1996. A single annual dose of 150 µg/kg of ivermectin, given orally, can reduce the level of skin microfilariae to zero and, by interfering with worm embryogenesis, can delay the build-up of new microfilariae for a period of up to two years. 
Dohremi 发表于 2021-11-28 02:21

所以迎来了新变种?
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claireliu
日本抗疫是挺牛的,突然直接就差不多消失了。我前一阵子在日本转机,感觉那的人也是完全躺平了。
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Inferno
得了吧,你说的实验不外乎一些体外试验,有什么用?我还能用酒精来体外杀新冠病毒呢。要达到这个体外实验的浓度就需要超过安全剂量的用药,像你只说用了20年了安全而不说安全剂量的就是耍流氓。有本事说个临床三期的双盲实验来证明一下有效性
surge 发表于 2021-11-28 02:47

美国有对人的临床试验,进行中。刚发了个帖子问临床试验效果,你给解读一下。 https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2753108&fid=398
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vitd120
美国有对人的临床试验,进行中。刚发了个帖子问临床试验效果,你给解读一下。 https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2753108&fid=398

Inferno 发表于 2021-11-28 10:13

这些你搜一下就有啊,比如最后那个,ivm在disease progression上没显著,于是大家开心地结论说ivm没用没用,
但是13个死亡3个在ivm组10个在对照组 (p=0.09). 这个怎么理解,是不是巧合,每个人的想法都不一样
心函
没有,厚生省没有批过authorized、至今不是covid指定药,不过有一些学术机关在做临床试验 https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20210823/amp/k10013218191000.html
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Dohremi
所以迎来了新变种?
westlake 发表于 2021-11-28 09:40

你很🐮啊,连主流媒体都没开始怪ivermectin,你领先时代。 主流媒体现在在帮Pfizer卖下一轮疫苗,还没想到,你赶紧提醒他们一把。
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csliz
回复 36楼hajime的帖子
好,谢谢!
幽幽寸草心
这个版上已经科普过无数次了, 这个药有人吃的, 也有动物吃的。 你可以不吃, 但是带风向攻击别人吃的是马药就是无耻了
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teabucket
这不是能不能吃的问题。你拿一蛔虫药说能治covid 这才是带节奏的吧。 自己研究来研究去也没找到个临床数据clinical trials 来支持一下。就那么迷信它的效果。无非是被社交媒体各种小道消息洗脑了
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surge
这个版上已经科普过无数次了, 这个药有人吃的, 也有动物吃的。 你可以不吃, 但是带风向攻击别人吃的是马药就是无耻了
幽幽寸草心 发表于 2021-11-28 14:09

我的确不同意称这个药为马药,因为FDA的确批准可以用来治疗人的寄生虫引起的感染。那就称之为蛔虫药吧,以正视听。
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louaci
知道日本的打疫苗有补助还能在五星级宾馆休息。他们幼儿园的孩子不戴口罩老师戴在大部分时间是户外活动一般没什么。他们让打疫苗也蛮老实地打疫苗,公共场合口罩也戴得很严实,大家很自觉上一波过去了现在还可以。
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umizumi
这不是能不能吃的问题。你拿一蛔虫药说能治covid 这才是带节奏的吧。 自己研究来研究去也没找到个临床数据clinical trials 来支持一下。就那么迷信它的效果。无非是被社交媒体各种小道消息洗脑了
teabucket 发表于 2021-11-28 14:13

FLCCC上有临床试验数据,不想看的人就说没有呗。只有疫苗才是一种疫苗对应一种病,一个口服的简单成分的药,可以有多种用途,为了维护疫苗的至高地位,非得把自己一条活路给堵死了,是你自己的损失。
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csliz
回复 49楼Dohremi的帖子
我也不知道,谢谢诚心参与者
大概是,虽然官方没有正式,但ivermectin 在日本有的医生在用,可能还“治愈”一些,不过不算新冠特性药,至于安全性,对绝大多数人都应该是安全的.
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gzhsyw
为啥说到反疫苗就要马上老川啊?老川明明是疫苗支持者好吗?老川在任的时候那么积极地投钱给多家疫苗公司,还没出来就下了订单,促进疫苗通过FDA,就盼着疫苗赶到大选前出来。后来出了老川也打了疫苗啊。老川是反口罩支持疫苗的
lianqiao 发表于 2021-11-27 21:48

怪我没说清楚,反对疫苗的不一定是川粉,反对疫苗的群体要大一些,当然可能也有川粉不反对疫苗。 我说的是吃这个什么蛔虫药的,还有羟氯喹的,我还没见过不是川粉的,如果有,请指出,感谢 另外,trump不是川粉,谢谢。不能说他水平有多高,但比川粉智商高太多了
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Inferno
这不是能不能吃的问题。你拿一蛔虫药说能治covid 这才是带节奏的吧。 自己研究来研究去也没找到个临床数据clinical trials 来支持一下。就那么迷信它的效果。无非是被社交媒体各种小道消息洗脑了
teabucket 发表于 2021-11-28 14:13

这贴里有链接有引用,你自己看。 https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2753108