https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang Chai Soua Vang (born September 24, 1968), more commonly known as Chai Vang, is an American of Hmong descent who was convicted of murder by an all-white jury, having pleaded self-defense after suffering a racially motivated attack. Vang, a six-year veteran of the California National Guard, shot eight people while he was trespassing on a hunting trip in northern Wisconsin on November 21, 2004; six were killed and two were wounded. Vang, who lived in Saint Paul, Minnesota at the time of the shootings, is imprisoned at the Anamosa State Penitentiary, as of 2006.[1] 蚩尤后人 老挝苗族 好像几个白人骂他中国佬
rob ketch@madrage74 · Nov 15 Replying to @madrage74 and @Reuters If that''''''''s the case for Kyle, then ChaiSouaVang needs to be released from prison. ———————— 美国司法黑洞:王才家被烧,警察只看热闹不破案 Sometime later that year after the shooting, Chai Vang''''''''s home was burned down; the fire was deemed to be suspicious due to graffiti being found with profane language on the concrete blocks by the home, but it was never investigated further. 白人犯罪,判无罪是表演程序正义。 白人犯罪,警察知道但直接不调查比这更黑一层。 —————— 自从知道了上次说的亚裔女的手脚捆住,嘴巴堵住,经期全身赤裸,脑袋罩着,在富豪家死去,也可以被判定自杀,就知道美国的司法就是个joke. 啥三权分立,都可能是骗人的把戏。 这些被杀的白人有自己私人狩猎区,非富即贵啦,旺财出事前是英文不利索的卡车司机。法庭上咋玩?
Paul Michael Leonardo Atienza@PMLAtienza · 11h Today I hold ChaiSouaVang and the Hmong community. Who gets the affordance of self-defense in the imperial courts of a settle state guided by white supremacy?
Sometime later that year after the shooting, Chai Vang''s home was burned down; the fire was deemed to be suspicious due to graffiti being found with profane language on the concrete blocks by the home, but it was never investigated further.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang Chai Soua Vang (born September 24, 1968), more commonly known as Chai Vang, is an American of Hmong descent who was convicted of murder by an all-white jury, having pleaded self-defense after suffering a racially motivated attack. Vang, a six-year veteran of the California National Guard, shot eight people while he was trespassing on a hunting trip in northern Wisconsin on November 21, 2004; six were killed and two were wounded. Vang, who lived in Saint Paul, Minnesota at the time of the shootings, is imprisoned at the Anamosa State Penitentiary, as of 2006.[1] 蚩尤后人 老挝苗族 好像几个白人骂他中国佬
回复 51楼GrandTeton的帖子 我看wiki上写的是他当时已经离开了,这些人开着atv又去追了,要翻他的hunting license举报他。 On Sunday, November 21, a hunting party of about 15 people were in a cabin on this private land. Terry Willers, one of the two co-owners of the land, left the cabin and saw Vang sitting in a deer stand. Willers used a handheld radio to ask the people still in the cabin whether or not anyone should be in the stand. Upon receiving a response in the negative, he approached Vang and told him to leave the property. Vang then apologized and started moving south towards a trail through a forested area of the property.[6] According to Terry Willers' testimony, "As Bob got back on the radio and asked me where he was at and I said, uh, he's heading south down on the food plot right now. I radioed in to the cabin that I had a tree-rat and I had chased him off." At that point five of the hunters from the cabin who had heard the radio message arrived at the tree stand. Lauren Hesebeck, a surviving victim, stated "Bob had said I'm going to go talk to him to find out who he is, why he's there, and make sure he doesn't, you know, knows that he's on private property and that he's not welcomed there. Denny had said to me this ought to be interesting, let's go and see what's going on. We got in the back of it standing up (ATV), hanging on the rear bar."[7][8][9] After following the directions given by Willers, they proceeded to approach Vang further down the trail. Crotteau then suggested making a note of his hunting license number to make a report to the DNR and, according to Hesebeck's testimony, Crotteau "flipped over the hunting tag on Vang's back to get his license number".[10] The events after the confrontation are disputed. A violent altercation broke out and four of the eight victims were shot in the back, and three of these four were hit by multiple rounds. Vang is believed to have fired about 20 rounds from a Saiga rifle chambered in 7.62×39mm, which was recovered by police. One of the wounded hunters died the next day, bringing the toll to six dead and two wounded. Vang raised his rifle in one smooth, continuous sweeping motion as he circled right, kneeled, and aimed at Willers, the group’s only armed person. Vang later said, “If I don’t shoot him, he would shoot me.”[5]
引用油管一个高赞的说法: 9 against 1 and everyone had guns. The only time one person would go against 9 people with guns is if his life was at stake. I believe vang protected himself.
Chai Soua Vang (born September 24, 1968), more commonly known as Chai Vang, is an American of Hmong descent who was convicted of murder by an all-white jury, having pleaded self-defense after suffering a racially motivated attack. Vang, a six-year veteran of the California National Guard, shot eight people while he was trespassing on a hunting trip in northern Wisconsin on November 21, 2004; six were killed and two were wounded. Vang, who lived in Saint Paul, Minnesota at the time of the shootings, is imprisoned at the Anamosa State Penitentiary, as of 2006.[1] 蚩尤后人 老挝苗族 好像几个白人骂他中国佬
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那你的逻辑就是对的,只要是洋人死掉了,必定是亚裔的错,你的心理状态倒是挺好,跪倒就行。 看看其他人对你的评价看来很多人对你的看法倒是一致的。怎么不把皮给漂白了呢?
我猜,他从小可能也是被种族歧视中长大的吧? 杀红了眼的时候会不会把这些bully他的人全当做成长过程中的假想敌的代表了。。是被bully的能量积累的瞬间爆发,既为了自卫,杀红了眼,新仇旧恨。。。最后应该是激情杀人了吧。俺不得不承认我的想象力过于丰富。以上若有巧合,全属虚构。
嗯,也是精神变态的一种。应该像那个因为看了一部电影神经病了用锤子杀了3个餐馆华工的白人一样送去神经病院处理就好。
还真是,好巧
🛋️ 沙发板凳
啊 旺财居然都能搭上关系。
真的是很牛的人啦,他还生了7个孩子。
我发现越是原生态的人,越有个性/野性美。越靠近中原的,越小农自私甚至有点孬。
Re. 我也会!
rob ketch @madrage74 · Nov 15
Replying to @madrage74 and @Reuters If that''''''''s the case for Kyle, then Chai Soua Vang needs to be released from prison. ———————— 美国司法黑洞:王才家被烧,警察只看热闹不破案
Sometime later that year after the shooting, Chai Vang''''''''s home was burned down; the fire was deemed to be suspicious due to graffiti being found with profane language on the concrete blocks by the home, but it was never investigated further. 白人犯罪,判无罪是表演程序正义。 白人犯罪,警察知道但直接不调查比这更黑一层。 —————— 自从知道了上次说的亚裔女的手脚捆住,嘴巴堵住,经期全身赤裸,脑袋罩着,在富豪家死去,也可以被判定自杀,就知道美国的司法就是个joke. 啥三权分立,都可能是骗人的把戏。
这些被杀的白人有自己私人狩猎区,非富即贵啦,旺财出事前是英文不利索的卡车司机。法庭上咋玩?
Today I hold Chai Soua Vang and the Hmong community. Who gets the affordance of self-defense in the imperial courts of a settle state guided by white supremacy?
苗人没有留头不留发吧。
千万别以为21世纪的美国就没有种族主义私刑的土壤。
Sometime later that year after the shooting, Chai Vang''s home was burned down; the fire was deemed to be suspicious due to graffiti being found with profane language on the concrete blocks by the home, but it was never investigated further.
支持,有钱出钱有力出力!
看看各种纪录片,就到现在,偏远小镇谋杀个有色人种警察都不怎么调查的
满蒙都原生态,没看出来美。因为太穷只能抢劫中原。
杀一两个自卫还能解释。全杀了应该是要灭口。
苗人杀白人肯定不是self defense,要是这个苗人被杀了那就是self defense了。
不过当年法院对这位苗族老兵够意思了,陪审团是从300英里外找的,没在本地找纯白人。
这些白人全都有枪。而且还是对旺豺先开枪。
如果不是旺豺在军队里拿过神射手资质,他早就白死了。这帮白人可能把他随便挖个坑埋了拉倒。
300英里外找的纯白人陪审团。lol
现在谁还敢牵头搞捐款的?华人哪一个捐款没有搞得非常ugly?
是全都有枪 还是就一把枪?
蒙古人有野性的时候搅了整个世界几百年啦。世界之鞭阿提拉也是那带的
YouTube有他自己的辩护视频啊
又去看了一下好象有争议
我们州去年,有人专门杀带头巾的印度锡克人。好像是UPS还是Amazon仓库。 那些印度人自己也说,一直有各种歧视和霸凌
不过印度人比较奇怪,有一批人是美国上层,但是有大量的印度从事,传统美国穷人做的事。
是不是说只有owner有一把枪?
华人上消息真多,我都不知道多年前还有这么一个case.
印度人是不是因为种姓制度,低种姓的比较能忍?
见过高种姓的可以当街直接掌胍低种姓。早就被bully的没了自尊了吧。
职场来看,低种姓的更犯贱。高种姓的有些还比较decent。
这个夸张了。其实是他犯错在先,打猎迷路进了别人的私人牧场。他就一个人对方一群人,言语之下对他很不公。不过据他说在他离开的时候有人在他背后开枪。这种情况下我觉得开始应该是算自卫的,因为荒郊野外,对方人多势众还有武装而且先开火。
迷路也是错???
对方白的,脑子里怎么想的,要向人开枪,
这个世界,如果非要找死,总会被满足的
华人大妈网暴小中男,实际上没有想明白,如果冲突升级,如果地铁黑人拿出一把枪,小中男有没有能力从书包里拿出轻机枪把一车厢人都扫了?
印度人开加油站,被抢的也很多。
说实际的 去那里搞轻机枪?
全自动的那个licence很难搞的
我也不知道。
实际就是,美国屎特厚城市地铁里面,很多黑人都随身有枪。要在地铁里逞英雄气概,必须有更强大武力和杀人的决心。小中男想崛起,先买个手枪,在后巷打黑枪杀几个泥哥练练手再去混地铁。
为什么会有蝙蝠侠蜘蛛侠这种电影呢,就是老百姓都明白,不是超级英雄,你在地铁只能认怂。
醒醒,一发一发搂的半自动都快禁了。大妈们都想着推孩子练武术准备手抓子弹呢。想禁枪还是中国好,只有领导有枪
追着不留活口,可能是担心万一那些人一起回来狙击他。 我觉得也许那些白人一开始只是挑衅,并不想开枪射杀,没想到遇上硬茬,挑衅也忍不了。 该死的种族歧视!
打猎迷路不算犯错吧,在北方森林里很常见。很中性的一个事件。 但是从那些人种族歧视开始,事情就开始升级了~~
总忍着不就成了这边大妈们讨伐的地铁上小abc男那打不反手骂不反口,被人护着也不知道感恩回护的麻木不仁的孬样了吗?
至少快意恩仇了一把。
本人 当时就住在威斯康星州。这个事件沸沸扬扬。具体来说是这样的:有户人家在州北部拥有一处四十来亩的猎场,其中各处搭有猎台,主人常常在狩猎季节邀家人朋友去猎场打猎,这在威斯康星州是一种很普遍的传统。这天他们发现有一个陌生人在猎台上偷猎,于是上去交涉,双方争吵起来,那偷猎的人,就是这里提到的“旺财”,见对方人多势众,只得爬下猎台撤退。然而,正当对方以为他要离去,此事已了,转身回去之际,旺财突然回转向对方开枪,死伤无数。对于这个案件,威州的苗族社区以“种族仇恨”为据,要为旺财开脱,并组织了大规模的示威活动,但在法院审判时,“种族仇恨”却是由旺财这一方提起来的,找不到证人来支持他的这一说 (当时就他一个人在场),而对方活着的目击者却出来做证,咬定没有此事。于是最后法官的意见是:言语上的“种族仇恨”并不意味着你就可以杀死 这麽多的人。所以判决成立。当时记得很多的美国社会评论,有的说苗族人很凶悍,当年很多苗族人在越战时帮助过美军,个个骁勇善战,狩猎为生,后到了美国,失去了他们原生状态的土地,也没有足够的经济条件在美国拥有自己的土地 (都是做为难民到此的),头脑中更没有“私有财产不可侵犯”这一美国式的概念,到了狩猎季节一时技痒,就不得不到处寻找猎场打猎过瘾。 我在威州见到过苗族人,都很骄傲自信。正所为“无知者无畏”。我们这些被千年文明整治的汉人,是无法和这些“蛮子”们比”武艺“的。
在美国就是需要这样彪悍 苗族还有一大优点是家里孩子多 在美国见过最多的有10个孩子的 哪位做法律的 挑头给旺财搞个捐款?
最好是他们苗族人来组织,我们支持就是了
嗯,他是个有血性的,毕竟反击就要面对一群拿枪的白人;就算赢了也要坐牢。
之前的那些Asian hate的组织去哪了?别的不指望,这件事如果可以做得起来,也可以啊。或者帮忙腾讯打微信官司的那批华人律师带个头也可以啊。。腾讯那么强大,不需要你们帮的,旺财需要。不管是谁组织,俺肯定捐钱。
写了这么多 明显不和逻辑!
1vs9 谁先开的枪? 更不用说威州农村是种族歧视最严重的地方之一
Chai最吃亏的对方在于不太懂法律,接受记者采访和在法庭上说错了话。他说了被他打死的几个人里有人该死有人不该死,甚至检察官拿着照片让他指认那个该死那个不该死他还老老实实地说了。这个就做实了criminal intent了。
Kyle就有人指点过,在法庭上一口咬定自己就是为了保命。没有杀人的意图,开枪的时候都是在自己的生命收到了威胁,不得不的情况下。
你这完全采信了那帮红脖子的春秋笔法。要点脸ok?
这个“猎场”根本没有牌子,也没有栅栏。走错路hi常有的事情。但是红脖子就喜欢仗势欺人
好比《yellow stone》里头的红脖子用枪威胁中国游客,说什么"this is America, we don''''''''t share land",一个道理
事实上,是红脖子一边racial slur辱骂(他们自己承认),一边自己争论是要赶旺豺走还是把他绑起来交给警察
旺豺第一时间想走,红脖子不让。反而电台叫来更多的红脖子要对他动粗(红脖子供词承认)。旺豺后来走开了,红脖子又坐atv追上来要抄他的id。
第二次冲突之后,旺豺终于离开这帮红脖子几十米,突然有红脖子往他脚底下开枪 (红脖子不承认,双方各执一词)
他才被迫反击
我就理解不了一个华人,跑到华人网上来,给最种族歧视的红脖子洗地是什么心态?
Law and order 里有一集就是以这个故事改编
英文的wiki 都比你写的客观一些
人家觉得自己是白人,红脖子都把他当成自己人
实际上,Vang Chai这个苗族大叔老实到,在法庭上一五一十的给对方律师讲解自己当时的心路历程,谁追他/谁跟他对射/他觉得谁威胁最大/先射了谁/后射了谁,等等等等。最后律师抓住他言语中说"xxx deserve it ", 要他指认哪个红脖子deserve to die。他居然也当场照办! 如果Vang Chai有Rittenhouse一半的狡猾,咬死了自己是为了自卫,6个人不死他就得死。那么他也很难定罪。
我相信Vang Chai的说法,他一直想走,红脖子不让他走。最后他好不容易走了,红脖子竟然往他脚底下开枪。他不知道是红脖子到底是在恐吓他,还是真要他的命。只能绝地反击
反而是幸存的两个红脖子,证词滴水不漏,所有死无对证的锅全部甩给了Vang Chai。
按照两个幸存红脖子的说法,是在8个红脖子电台叫来两拨人要对Vang Chai动粗,各种chink gook骂了个七七八八。然后Vang Chai边后退边朝他们首先开枪。你信么?
对这种红脖子的行事逻辑和撒谎方式,只需要参照VA的陈建生谋杀案就知道了
陈建生老伯一个人在小区里玩pokemon,结果被之前多次找他麻烦的红脖子保安盯上。两人吵了一分钟,保安枪杀老伯
随后的情节如出一辙,保安诬告老伯抢枪,撞车,自己是合法自卫。
但是法庭还算有点常识,没有相信保安胡扯。保安最后二级谋杀成立,30年监禁
这些红脖子的aggreesive behavior基于一种很简单的bully逻辑。所以他们栽赃给死者的故事里,死者也往往按照红脖子的无脑agreesive逻辑来行动。这是最明显的giveaway
不太相信 以一抵十主动挑衅对方的说辞
旺财也不是光脚的人。他也是有家有本职工作有7个孩子,要不是被逼于无奈,至于去和整群白人拼命吗?
脑子进水吗?
旺财大叔没钱请好律师,本来可以无罪开释
一帮子乡下老白仗着人多势众,还是自己地盘儿上,没想到遇上了东南亚兰博
那些白人技不如人,死得其所
+1
油管上甚至一票白人留言也大部分都相信旺财叔。关键的关键是旺财本来已经道歉并离开了,对方一伙人两台车又追上去纠缠。
我看wiki上写的是他当时已经离开了,这些人开着atv又去追了,要翻他的hunting license举报他。
On Sunday, November 21, a hunting party of about 15 people were in a cabin on this private land. Terry Willers, one of the two co-owners of the land, left the cabin and saw Vang sitting in a deer stand. Willers used a handheld radio to ask the people still in the cabin whether or not anyone should be in the stand. Upon receiving a response in the negative, he approached Vang and told him to leave the property. Vang then apologized and started moving south towards a trail through a forested area of the property.[6] According to Terry Willers' testimony, "As Bob got back on the radio and asked me where he was at and I said, uh, he's heading south down on the food plot right now. I radioed in to the cabin that I had a tree-rat and I had chased him off." At that point five of the hunters from the cabin who had heard the radio message arrived at the tree stand. Lauren Hesebeck, a surviving victim, stated "Bob had said I'm going to go talk to him to find out who he is, why he's there, and make sure he doesn't, you know, knows that he's on private property and that he's not welcomed there. Denny had said to me this ought to be interesting, let's go and see what's going on. We got in the back of it standing up (ATV), hanging on the rear bar."[7][8][9] After following the directions given by Willers, they proceeded to approach Vang further down the trail. Crotteau then suggested making a note of his hunting license number to make a report to the DNR and, according to Hesebeck's testimony, Crotteau "flipped over the hunting tag on Vang's back to get his license number".[10] The events after the confrontation are disputed. A violent altercation broke out and four of the eight victims were shot in the back, and three of these four were hit by multiple rounds. Vang is believed to have fired about 20 rounds from a Saiga rifle chambered in 7.62×39mm, which was recovered by police. One of the wounded hunters died the next day, bringing the toll to six dead and two wounded. Vang raised his rifle in one smooth, continuous sweeping motion as he circled right, kneeled, and aimed at Willers, the group’s only armed person. Vang later said, “If I don’t shoot him, he would shoot me.”[5]
除了屠杀还会什么?
链接?没看到啊
种姓制度啊,白印一般可以冒充白人,黑印一般可以冒充黑人默默。锡克人包头巾而且据说性格很强和苗人差不多。而且锡克族给我的感觉精气神很赞,白印倒很一般。
你这在中西部住的,跪舔白大人已经成习惯了,等有天你被崩了就老实了
也不能全怪律师。纪录片好象说旺财叔英语不太行,也不懂法。很难一字一句事先教他。
对方律师十分狡诈,庭上设套问旺财谁谁谁是不是deserve to die. 旺财叔坚定回答yes。
旺财律师急忙企图替他圆回来说他是language barrier。他本意并非如此,但是已经来不及了。
引用油管一个高赞的说法:
9 against 1 and everyone had guns. The only time one person would go against 9 people with guns is if his life was at stake. I believe vang protected himself.
68年出生,80年来美国,英文还是不好么
确实 旺财大叔太亏了 实在人 只要反问 “Do I deserve to die?” 就行了 结果被判了六个无期
你可以问问一岁来唐人街的老人
不奇怪吧 上回杀亲戚的一个华人 很小偷渡过来 一直在餐馆后厨干 英文也不行
他还参军什么的呀。不过可能就是技术兵。枪法好
大叔自己的律师呢?是废物么?这个时候不是应该喊:Objection!
啊。。RIP
本质原因不是黑人 黑人的话 敢这么判吗
他的家人现在怎么样了?
活该你被骂,不是蠢就是坏
06年黑人没这么政治正确。现在如果旺财是黑人,歧视黑人自卫没跑。
我更相信旺财的描述,在对方人那么多的情况下,旺财也都准备走了,没有道理返回来杀那么多人。
一不是白人,二当时没有网络捐钱,请不到好律师。