VAERS 已经成为反疫苗人士misinformation最好工具了。 读一下HHS网站对 VAERS数据库的解释 https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event. 也就是说, 如果有人打了疫苗,接下来几天因为其它medical 原因去世了,就可以在VAERS里面。 至于是否是因为疫苗引起的,是不是coincidental的,不知道。 那有人说,你为啥不研究? 当然研究。 最好的例子就是J&J疫苗和AZ疫苗因为blood clot 导致死亡就是医学界建立cause and effect 的例子。反过来证明医学界是在看这些数据的,而不是掩盖问题。 不管怎么说,把VAERS数据库里的45000 死亡都说成是疫苗导致是完全站不住脚的。
surge 发表于 2021-10-07 00:20
我的理解是如果VAERS报上去的死亡或者某个严重疾病明显高出了背景死亡/发病率才会被调查看有没有因果关系。有没有漏网的?肯定有。但是如果真的打死了几万甚至几十万人的话,CDC公布的weekly death一下就能看出联系来。 FDA hearing上面那个PPT明明是有anti vaxxer进来搅局,一上来就说疫苗每救一个人就要杀5个人。疫苗到五月份就已经避免了14万死亡,所以疫苗杀了70万人?
VAERS 已经成为反疫苗人士misinformation最好工具了。 读一下HHS网站对 VAERS数据库的解释 https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event. 也就是说, 如果有人打了疫苗,接下来几天因为其它medical 原因去世了,就可以在VAERS里面。 至于是否是因为疫苗引起的,是不是coincidental的,不知道。 那有人说,你为啥不研究? 当然研究。 最好的例子就是J&J疫苗和AZ疫苗因为blood clot 导致死亡就是医学界建立cause and effect 的例子。反过来证明医学界是在看这些数据的,而不是掩盖问题。 不管怎么说,把VAERS数据库里的45000 死亡都说成是疫苗导致是完全站不住脚的。
回复 69楼的帖子 我对你写的数据有疑问。你说Covid death and excess death一致?我了解的是Covid death 里面包含了无数flu deaths and other deaths其中近两年的flu death减少到可以忽略,这应该是大部分被Covid death给涵盖了。所以这种算法不太严谨。 paprika 发表于 2021-10-06 22:08
说新加坡爆了的, 能不能多花几分钟看看卫生部每天的通报, 不要只知道盯着那个确诊数字。 给你链接,能看懂英文就自己念一下,看不懂可以用Google翻译一下。 https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19 Over the last 28 days, the percentage of local cases who were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms is 98.4%. 628 cases required oxygen supplementation and 61 had been in the ICU. Of these, 49.5% were fully vaccinated and 50.5% were unvaccinated/ partially vaccinated. 72 have died, of whom 31.9% were fully vaccinated and 68.1% were unvaccinated/ partially vaccinated.
Vaccine Injuries Among Athletes Volleyball player collapses during game, dies https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Mangalore/volleyball-player-collapses-during-game-dies/article34185430.ece Christian Eriksen Collapses at Euros due to heart issue https://youtu.be/s0B03LSzXvo [Embed] Indonesian doubles star Kido dies of heart attack at 36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blqVQ9oNr_g [Embed] Britain's Jack Draper collapses at Miami Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuOP0V1nUw [Embed] https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15151824/giuseppe-perrino-dead-29-parma-brother/ Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPQO44NzN4 [Embed] Two West Indies Players – Chinelle Henry, Chedean Nation Collapse on Field: https://www.india.com/sports/cricket-two-west-indies-players-chinelle-henry-chedean-nation-collapse-on-field-during-2nd-t20i-against-pakistan-women-watch-video-4785827/ Brazilian soccer player Alex Apolinario dies after collapsing on pitch during match in Portugal https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/brazilian-soccer-player-alex-apolinario-dies-after-collapsing-on-pitch-during-match-in-portugal/ Josh Downie: Cricketer, 24, dies after heart attack at practice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-57058626 Atletico Madrid striker collapses in training and requires medical attention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R2_5LMobXc [Embed] Referee Bert Smith collapses on court, taken off on stretcher during first half of Gonzaga-USC men's Elite Eight game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG8bRhvJ88 [Embed] Raymond van Barneveld collapses and receives paramedic attention during PDC Players Championship https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/darts/pdc-players-championship-8-suspended-23759939 Ex-Parma footballer Giuseppe Perrino dies aged 29 at brother’s memorial match after collapsing while playing Ethan Jovani Trejo, a 16-year-old soccer player, collapsed on the field during conditioning https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/06/25/teen-dies-after-medical-incident-princeton-high-school-field/5344293001/ Vinny Curry, 33, out for season due to blood clots: https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/jets-vinny-curry-out-after-rare-blood-disorder-diagnosis/ Samuel Kalu, 24, collapses minutes into football game: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58228778 Francis Perron, 25, dies after football game - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/usports-ottawa-gee-gees-francis-perron-dies-1.6182332 Bollywood’s star, 40, dies following heart attack https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9950385/Indian-TV-film-star-Siddharth-Shukla-40-dies-heart-attack.html#reader-comments Tom Felton, 34, collapses during golf game: https://bbc.in/3i4YpI5?fbclid=IwAR0aZBaXpiX9ky34g3eLiG3pcMs5r2udih4kRGUIi7GOBK3iciefX1-qoXkThe Frenchman, 20, suddenly fell unconscious in worrying and distressing scenes, he had a tachycardia attack, an abnormal electrical impulse in his heart, causing him to lose consciousness. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13901939/goalkeepers-rushed-hospital-collapsing/ FA Youth Cup - player suffered sudden cardiac arrest on the field : https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-fa-youth-cup-match-24898627 Roy Butler, 23, Irish footballer Watford FC dies after Jansen: https://twitter.com/NewsForAllIre/status/1428301909715296263?s=20 Two young Columbia High school footballers die: https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/04/he-would-love-it-donadrian-robinsons-family-reacts-tribute-wj-keenan-high-school/?outputType=apps Australian sailor Cameron Dale, 29, dies after catastrophic stroke: https://7news.com.au/sport/sailing/australian-sailor-jessica-watson-reveals-sudden-death-of-partner-cameron-dale-c-3845979 Yusuke Kinoshita, 27, baseball pro dies 7 weeks post vaccine: https://thecovidworld.com/yusuke-kinoshita-27-year-old-japanese-professional-baseball-player-dies-7-weeks-after-covid-19-vaccine/ Jeremy Chardy, 34, tennis pro cannot train or play after vaccine: https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_Interviews/102836/jeremy-chardy-i-regret-getting-vaccinated-i-have-series-of-problems-now/ Jimmy Hayes, 31, former Bruins player unexpectedly dies: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/23/sports/jimmy-hayes-former-bruin-boston-college-hockey-champ-dies-31/ Parys Haralson, 37, former Saints line backer dies https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/13/parys-haralson-former-49-ers-and-saints-lb-dies-37/8328669002/ Kjeld Nuis, 31, Dutch professional skater admitted to hospital with inflamed heart: https://www.rtlboulevard.nl/entertainment/news/artikel/5243606/kjeld-nuis-vaccinatie-ziek-update Francesca Marcon, 38, volleybal professional can’t play, has pericarditis post vaccine: https://www.lapressa.it/notiziario/sport/la-campionessa-di-volley-ho-una-pericardite-post-vaccino John Stokes, 21, athlete at Tennessee Uni hospitalized with heart inflammation: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/student-athlete-john-stokes-myocarditis-covid-vaccine-002451374.html?guccounter=1 Jake Ehlinger, 20, found dead - cause unknown: https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/sam-ehlinger-brother-death-cause/
Covid Strike Force Hiring Interview https://twitter.com/KikiwahT/status/1444719144591454209 Two Questions at the interview: 1) How would you feel about having to restrain someone to give them a shot 2) How would you feel about taking a child from their parents
https://twitter.com/TJ0056/status/1445752620820271110 “Strokes seem to be every couple of hours....I've never heard of so many people having strokes" “…Yeah blood clots as well…” I wonder why that could be Interesting little exchange on Liveline during a discussion on ambulance waiting times.
Vaccine Injuries Among Athletes Volleyball player collapses during game, dies https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Mangalore/volleyball-player-collapses-during-game-dies/article34185430.ece Christian Eriksen Collapses at Euros due to heart issue https://youtu.be/s0B03LSzXvo [Embed] Indonesian doubles star Kido dies of heart attack at 36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blqVQ9oNr_g [Embed] Britain's Jack Draper collapses at Miami Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuOP0V1nUw [Embed] https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15151824/giuseppe-perrino-dead-29-parma-brother/ Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPQO44NzN4 [Embed] Two West Indies Players – Chinelle Henry, Chedean Nation Collapse on Field: https://www.india.com/sports/cricket-two-west-indies-players-chinelle-henry-chedean-nation-collapse-on-field-during-2nd-t20i-against-pakistan-women-watch-video-4785827/ Brazilian soccer player Alex Apolinario dies after collapsing on pitch during match in Portugal https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/brazilian-soccer-player-alex-apolinario-dies-after-collapsing-on-pitch-during-match-in-portugal/ Josh Downie: Cricketer, 24, dies after heart attack at practice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-57058626 Atletico Madrid striker collapses in training and requires medical attention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R2_5LMobXc [Embed] Referee Bert Smith collapses on court, taken off on stretcher during first half of Gonzaga-USC men's Elite Eight game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG8bRhvJ88 [Embed] Raymond van Barneveld collapses and receives paramedic attention during PDC Players Championship https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/darts/pdc-players-championship-8-suspended-23759939 Ex-Parma footballer Giuseppe Perrino dies aged 29 at brother’s memorial match after collapsing while playing Ethan Jovani Trejo, a 16-year-old soccer player, collapsed on the field during conditioning https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/06/25/teen-dies-after-medical-incident-princeton-high-school-field/5344293001/ Vinny Curry, 33, out for season due to blood clots: https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/jets-vinny-curry-out-after-rare-blood-disorder-diagnosis/ Samuel Kalu, 24, collapses minutes into football game: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58228778 Francis Perron, 25, dies after football game - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/usports-ottawa-gee-gees-francis-perron-dies-1.6182332 Bollywood’s star, 40, dies following heart attack https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9950385/Indian-TV-film-star-Siddharth-Shukla-40-dies-heart-attack.html#reader-comments Tom Felton, 34, collapses during golf game: https://bbc.in/3i4YpI5?fbclid=IwAR0aZBaXpiX9ky34g3eLiG3pcMs5r2udih4kRGUIi7GOBK3iciefX1-qoXkThe Frenchman, 20, suddenly fell unconscious in worrying and distressing scenes, he had a tachycardia attack, an abnormal electrical impulse in his heart, causing him to lose consciousness. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13901939/goalkeepers-rushed-hospital-collapsing/ FA Youth Cup - player suffered sudden cardiac arrest on the field : https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-fa-youth-cup-match-24898627 Roy Butler, 23, Irish footballer Watford FC dies after Jansen: https://twitter.com/NewsForAllIre/status/1428301909715296263?s=20 Two young Columbia High school footballers die: https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/04/he-would-love-it-donadrian-robinsons-family-reacts-tribute-wj-keenan-high-school/?outputType=apps Australian sailor Cameron Dale, 29, dies after catastrophic stroke: https://7news.com.au/sport/sailing/australian-sailor-jessica-watson-reveals-sudden-death-of-partner-cameron-dale-c-3845979 Yusuke Kinoshita, 27, baseball pro dies 7 weeks post vaccine: https://thecovidworld.com/yusuke-kinoshita-27-year-old-japanese-professional-baseball-player-dies-7-weeks-after-covid-19-vaccine/ Jeremy Chardy, 34, tennis pro cannot train or play after vaccine: https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_Interviews/102836/jeremy-chardy-i-regret-getting-vaccinated-i-have-series-of-problems-now/ Jimmy Hayes, 31, former Bruins player unexpectedly dies: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/23/sports/jimmy-hayes-former-bruin-boston-college-hockey-champ-dies-31/ Parys Haralson, 37, former Saints line backer dies https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/13/parys-haralson-former-49-ers-and-saints-lb-dies-37/8328669002/ Kjeld Nuis, 31, Dutch professional skater admitted to hospital with inflamed heart: https://www.rtlboulevard.nl/entertainment/news/artikel/5243606/kjeld-nuis-vaccinatie-ziek-update Francesca Marcon, 38, volleybal professional can’t play, has pericarditis post vaccine: https://www.lapressa.it/notiziario/sport/la-campionessa-di-volley-ho-una-pericardite-post-vaccino John Stokes, 21, athlete at Tennessee Uni hospitalized with heart inflammation: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/student-athlete-john-stokes-myocarditis-covid-vaccine-002451374.html?guccounter=1 Jake Ehlinger, 20, found dead - cause unknown: https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/sam-ehlinger-brother-death-cause/ inna 发表于 2021-10-11 02:20
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/sweden-pauses-use-moderna-covid-vaccine-cites-rare-side-effects-2021-10-06/ STOCKHOLM, Oct 6 (Reuters) - Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna''s (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects. The Swedish health agency said it would pause using the shot for people born in 1991 and later as data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults that had been vaccinated. Those conditions involve an inflammation of the heart or its lining. "The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna''s vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," the health agency said, adding the risk of being affected was very small. Shares of Moderna fell 4.9%, or $16.08, to $316.11 in afternoon trading. A Moderna spokesperson said in an email the company was aware of the decisions by regulators in Denmark and Sweden to pause the use of its vaccine in younger individuals because of the rare risk of myocarditis and or pericarditis. 欧洲人还是有点良知的。北美什么时候跟进?
冰岛更激进,把moderna整个停了 (所有年龄) "As the supply of Pfizer vaccine is sufficient in the territory ... the chief epidemiologist has decided not to use the Moderna vaccine in Iceland," said a statement published on the website of the Health Directorate.
https://twitter.com/TJ0056/status/1445752620820271110 “Strokes seem to be every couple of hours....I've never heard of so many people having strokes" “…Yeah blood clots as well…” I wonder why that could be Interesting little exchange on Liveline during a discussion on ambulance waiting times. inna 发表于 2021-10-11 02:27
我就是说的你指出的fact。请问这个疫苗汇报系统50人以上死亡汇报就停产,除了这个组织,还有哪个权威机构confirm过?
你自己想一想,几百million的人打过疫苗,很大部分是80以上的老人,很多人本身有各种个样的基础病,打完以后如果几天内死亡,上报,一到50就喊停。。。要知道大多数疫苗都是给小孩打的,人群因为其他原因死亡几率完全不一样。
请把45000这个死亡数据来源写出来。我给了你我的数字,现在是8000左右,CDC官网
而且你说的一切都是假设这些死亡案例CDC都是忽视而不调查。这是我不同意的。不然J&J的blood clot怎么发现的,青少年的心肌炎副作用怎么发现的。我认为这就是明显的证明,这些数据都在被调查,如果有明确causation的就会被发现
真有空啊,我也来贴一个自己的帖子吧
虽然我也打了疫苗,但是也想说这个版上有几个ID打个疫苗都打出了优越感,有些莫名其妙。所以别太在意认真你就输了。
赞同你的做法。
哎, 说我焦虑,那那位“我花时间读了数据库里的病人家属的一手叙述。我读了将近200个cases”的算什么?
明知道灭活疫苗是人类长期验证过的,安全可靠,有未知严重副作用的可能性很小。
mRNA 疫苗人类从没有大规模使用过,完全无法排除出现大规模严重副作用的可能。
mRNA 疫苗吹得震天响的有效性,也破产了。
几个月前怎么吹的,一旦接种,有望长久,甚至终身免疫,云云。
结果没过几个月,连感染都防不住了。
只能吹嘘防重症了。
我日,如果仅仅是防重症,为什么要注射你这副作用严重,长期后果未知的傻逼疫苗?
为什么不用人类已经长期验证过的,安全可靠,有效性不差,甚至更好的灭活疫苗?
那些傻逼兮兮打mRNA 疫苗的傻逼小白鼠们,做好下半生跟疫苗后遗症做斗争到死的准备吧。
我的理解是如果VAERS报上去的死亡或者某个严重疾病明显高出了背景死亡/发病率才会被调查看有没有因果关系。有没有漏网的?肯定有。但是如果真的打死了几万甚至几十万人的话,CDC公布的weekly death一下就能看出联系来。
FDA hearing上面那个PPT明明是有anti vaxxer进来搅局,一上来就说疫苗每救一个人就要杀5个人。疫苗到五月份就已经避免了14万死亡,所以疫苗杀了70万人?
照你这么说,新冠死亡的数据更水。只要死前test positive,不管是癌症晚期还是尿毒症,都算是新冠死。
那为什么covid death只有实际上excess death的70%左右,少了而不是多了?
用model predicted number来得出excess death 本身就是伪命题。并且同样的数据不同统计师能fit 出不同model。网上也有很多用近几年死亡数据,做分析得出去年总死亡人数并不比以前的多的文章。
这位网红神棍还在孜孜不倦地搅屎啊?辛苦了
关于她的科普贴:https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2556059&page=1
反智文化的结果。骗子太多,傻子都不够用了。
那么多人相信新冠通过5g传播,疫苗里有追踪器,戴口罩会被上帝惩罚。。。
连自诩为有文化的华人都难以幸免,辛苦科普的mm被各种围攻骂难听的话
反疫苗大V们脑门一拍都赚的盆满钵满,而科学家们研究了几十年mrna都是个巨大的阴谋😂
又又爆了? 另一个模范生以色列咋样了?
带任务的?华裔是打疫苗率最高的种族,要推疫苗也该去英文论坛发帖子去。倒是某些反疫苗的更可能是有任务的。
又是这一套阴谋论说辞 你们天天说一样的话不累吗
只要test positive,车祸死的枪杀死的也算。
是啊。都是自己衡量,自己决定。打了的没有理由站制高点指责别人。打不打谁都是为了自己而已。
就是因为cdc和砖家谜之操作太多,信用尽失。
你说专家在FDA会议上搅局,是你的臆想吗?专家testimony是FDA批准才能在panel discussion发言。用的是FDA自己的数据,present给FDA 本尊。 这可能吗?
最终FDA听从专家意见,不把booster强推给大众,只批给高危人群。请问FDA傻到听从搅局者的意见?
你的逻辑完全不通。
美国前面很多年的死亡数字都是很稳定的,每周五六万人的样子,现在突然多了个比如30%,怎么去fit都是有好几十万的excess death。今年其实更离谱,很多红州的excess death是covid death的好几倍,你想想他们到底虚报了多少covid death
你去和那七十万死者的家属说,你家人不是死于covid,而是癌症或者糖尿病死的,别被左x忽悠了,看看他们会不会当场把你撕成碎片
你说的那个slides还有youtube上面的视频就是后面public hearing的时候有人放的啊,不是来自FDA的专家
FDA只批准65岁以上booster是因为疫苗对年轻人的保护作用仍然很好,不到打第三针的时候
那不就更说明FDA决策是从科学出发的吗?如果现有数据不支持有booster给大众,就不批。
FDA不批booster 并不是因为这些所谓的可能死亡案例, 而是认为booster测试的数据不足,并且鉴于现有两针对重症的保护性还是很好,所以必要性不足。 现在是booster 只批给高危人群, 但没有否定两针是推荐给大众的。
FDA专家testimony当然是指FDA以外的专家把自己准备的evidence,展现给FDA自己的专家。就像国会hearing里面的专家testimony,是非国会的专家给政客讲课一样。
这个模型从2010就开始使用了,叫flu burden,统计当季流行病造成的超量死亡
小小孩要来是说要强制小小孩打疫吗?
pfizer申请fda批准
https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-biontech-request-covid-vaccine-kids-fda-emergency-authorization
5-11岁申请批准EUA,10/26 FDA讨论。现在没有任何强制的计划。哪怕加州最激进的那个school 学生mandate,也要疫苗在 full approval 以后,而不是EUA阶段。
该来的总会来的
事情变化很快,几个月前拜登不也说根本不会强制疫苗吗?现在就变成不打疫苗就开除的程度嘛(联邦政府工)。PS 国会和白宫工作的人有疫苗exemption噢。不要把普通的联邦政府工和国会,白宫的工作人员混为一谈。
激进的school county到底会怎么变化,谁知道?只要明天出来说政策变动了,就好啦,反正不用为以前说的话负任何责任。
很多吧,经常说成跟智商挂钩
几个月前? 能不能发个source,我倒不了解这个。
嗯 看到了 很无奈🙄
再几个月前拜登还说不要相信疫苗呢。。。。
哈,反疫苗的说打了疫苗的智商低也不少。两个camps里都有这样的说法,你只说一方,的确屁股很歪啊。
目前观察到的就是疫苗副作用对健康的人更厉害,尤其是18-25岁男性。把老人混进来干什么呢?把年轻健康的人和年老的人混在一起说,有意义吗?
现在整个媒体,包括FB,twitter封锁任何质疑疫苗,宣称疫苗副作用的任何消息。这已经是一个fact了。到底谁害怕疫苗副作用被广大的普通人知道?
不是说science吗?science就那么害怕不同的证据?
至于说什么coorelation不一定是causation,简直无稽之谈。就因为不一定是,就可以强制打疫苗。怎么不说,我们等到一定不是再考虑强推呢?还不是因为所谓科学论证一定不是的难度很大。
至于怎么定义causation本身就很值得怀疑。科学很多就是玩文字游戏。也就是一个人打了疫苗以后出现的反应,而这个人之前从来没有这个反应,家族里也没有这个反应。但是从文字上来说,还是可以说,你不能证明这是因为疫苗产生的反应,因为天有不测风云嘛,你以前没心脏问题,不代表你以后不会有啊。说不定就是因为正好赶巧你有心脏问题,只是打了疫苗以后出现而已,纯属巧合。
那么纯属巧合怎么就不能让人合理怀疑呢?既然怀疑怎么就不能不打疫苗呢?你可以纯属巧合,我可以合理怀疑。反正也没有实质性的证据证明。至于说对于大部分人疫苗是安全的。首先数据有限,根本没有10年以上的跟踪报告。第二,疫苗副作用也没有被重视。基本就是也许找得到数据,但是拜登,fauci等人根本看不到,也听不到,也不承认。所有媒体,网络都打压。这种氛围,让人觉得放心就有鬼了。
把别人的身体不当身体。别人的孩子当作实验体。自愿打是一回事,不自愿打,利用各种手段威逼利诱。而目前越来越多证据证明,疫苗的效用不如预期,天天吃维他命增强免疫力效果也不会比疫苗差,尤其对于健康的人,年轻的人来说。强推疫苗,是盲目愚蠢的。
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我现在觉得很奇幻
新冠之前 我们活在自吹自擂的best economy in human history
现在就这big flu 各种供应链出的问题 小到学校的厕纸供应也出问题了……
你去翻翻,多少人发帖说不打疫苗的是弱智。你去找找。再看看多少帖子是反疫苗的。
抬头看ID系列 真是一本正经的胡说八道了
我们学校早就强制12岁以上的打疫苗了,不然就退学,不过5岁以上的即使批准了也给个一年缓冲期,但是现在到处是那种用不戴口罩来骄傲展示自己打了疫苗并默认戴口罩的都是没打疫苗的大人,如果到时候学校对打过疫苗的小小孩也不强制口罩,不打疫苗的小小孩肯定会被歧视
推疫苗的哪管副作用。现在每天都看到公司停不打的人的职。公平吗?除了被停职的和叫好的红卫兵,nobody cares
我们这里好多私校都在full approval之前就强制12岁以上的疫苗了
想美事呢,疫苗撑死也就几百块,培养一个长期客户才是大头,lol
我保证长期交保护费还不行吗 大哥
麻州上周突破死了46, 前周37, 再前周20多。每周总死亡100上下,突破死的越来越多。
哈哈,人家还要扛着救死扶伤和science的牌匾呢,走出来都衣冠楚楚的,lol
还会推出治自免疫疾病的药,治癌症的药,那才是大头。
嗯 这个真的没辙 哎
有钱人想干科学有时候就会这样
他说错什么了?
有话说话,活得也像个人一样不行?
大多数帖子就是反对强制来着,自己权衡利弊得失,自己选择。不过现在疫苗教走火入魔,反对强制也不行,不支持疫苗强制就是反疫苗,说副作用就是反疫苗,昨天不一个ID咒人家死全家吗。
有几个exemption,比如post office就exempt了疫苗mandate。实在不行我就去申请邮局工作,混个保险。让LG挣钱去。
邮局也是政府部门
会不会也强制?
让你run experiment的找不着control group
就是在出mandate的时候给了USPS exempt。理由就是万一好多人quit,邮局会瘫痪。
好像后来又说要强制了 推育苗这劲看着越来越大,都不知道咋办
话说有没有妹子拉群组团搬家
是呀,其实华人打疫苗的比例远远高于黑墨。这个版上绝大多数人都打了疫苗。打了疫苗的人反对的是强制,反对的是给小孩子打一个副作用不明的疫苗。有那么几个二极管,神经病,每个疫苗贴都骂人。
黑手都伸到小孩身上了,还当红卫兵,这得多坏
这些男孩有很大一部分是打完疫苗没休息又去运动了吧。这个很危险就和感冒去运动容易心肌炎那样
这个纯属谣言, 早就被辟谣了。
美国邮局的地位很有意思,介于公司和政府部门之间。 有时候算政府部门,有时候算企业。
这次vaccine mandate,邮局的确不在联邦政府雇员的mandate里,但是算在100人以上企业这里。
你猜的?有证据他们运动去了吗?我的经历是这个疫苗会让心跳加速,心慌,还会引起皮疹
这个surge ID是工作于医疗界的下流main stream media的深度中毒患者,导致narrow-minded and blind.天天自以为是,宣传伪科学,推崇left fascism。谁要是他的病人,那真的是要自求多福了。
前面还有人抱怨打了疫苗的太过judgemental, 有优越感。 这位就立刻提供了反疫苗judgemental 的例子了。
反疫苗就是反疫苗嘛,别扭扭捏捏的什么反对强制。马里兰州anti vaxxer都直接开枪杀人了,还有脸装什么victim
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/maryland-anti-vaxxer-kills-pharmacists-b1933825.html
18-29岁的covid death已经有3700多了,比911还多,疫苗副作用死了多少18-29的?
my body, my choice! 你管好你自己。按你的说法疫苗管用又没副作用,你就认认真真的打,现在可以打Booster了,你慢慢享用。
是么?my body my choice的话为啥有anti vaxxer拿着枪去灭人家满门?
本来就是反对强制和变相强制,如果不强制,爱打疫苗的就打去呗,即使打成马蜂窝,爱死不死的,关别人P事
你们的anti vaxxer同行可不是这么想的啊,直接拿着枪就把他哥全家给灭门了,就因为他哥给别人打covid疫苗
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/maryland-anti-vaxxer-kills-pharmacists-b1933825.html
那是他的事,与我无关,我的态度就是,不强制就行,其他谁爱打谁打,打死活该
美国现在接种率是65%
Haha
这个好 其他部门可以效仿一下吗
Volleyball player collapses during game, dies https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Mangalore/volleyball-player-collapses-during-game-dies/article34185430.ece
Christian Eriksen Collapses at Euros due to heart issue https://youtu.be/s0B03LSzXvo [Embed]
Indonesian doubles star Kido dies of heart attack at 36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blqVQ9oNr_g [Embed]
Britain's Jack Draper collapses at Miami Open https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuOP0V1nUw [Embed] https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15151824/giuseppe-perrino-dead-29-parma-brother/
Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPQO44NzN4 [Embed]
Two West Indies Players – Chinelle Henry, Chedean Nation Collapse on Field: https://www.india.com/sports/cricket-two-west-indies-players-chinelle-henry-chedean-nation-collapse-on-field-during-2nd-t20i-against-pakistan-women-watch-video-4785827/
Brazilian soccer player Alex Apolinario dies after collapsing on pitch during match in Portugal https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/brazilian-soccer-player-alex-apolinario-dies-after-collapsing-on-pitch-during-match-in-portugal/
Josh Downie: Cricketer, 24, dies after heart attack at practice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-57058626
Atletico Madrid striker collapses in training and requires medical attention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R2_5LMobXc [Embed]
Referee Bert Smith collapses on court, taken off on stretcher during first half of Gonzaga-USC men's Elite Eight game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHG8bRhvJ88 [Embed]
Raymond van Barneveld collapses and receives paramedic attention during PDC Players Championship https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/darts/pdc-players-championship-8-suspended-23759939
Ex-Parma footballer Giuseppe Perrino dies aged 29 at brother’s memorial match after collapsing while playing
Ethan Jovani Trejo, a 16-year-old soccer player, collapsed on the field during conditioning https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2021/06/25/teen-dies-after-medical-incident-princeton-high-school-field/5344293001/
Vinny Curry, 33, out for season due to blood clots: https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/jets-vinny-curry-out-after-rare-blood-disorder-diagnosis/
Samuel Kalu, 24, collapses minutes into football game: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58228778
Francis Perron, 25, dies after football game - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/usports-ottawa-gee-gees-francis-perron-dies-1.6182332
Bollywood’s star, 40, dies following heart attack https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9950385/Indian-TV-film-star-Siddharth-Shukla-40-dies-heart-attack.html#reader-comments
Tom Felton, 34, collapses during golf game: https://bbc.in/3i4YpI5?fbclid=IwAR0aZBaXpiX9ky34g3eLiG3pcMs5r2udih4kRGUIi7GOBK3iciefX1-qoXkThe Frenchman, 20, suddenly fell unconscious in worrying and distressing scenes, he had a tachycardia attack, an abnormal electrical impulse in his heart, causing him to lose consciousness. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13901939/goalkeepers-rushed-hospital-collapsing/
FA Youth Cup - player suffered sudden cardiac arrest on the field : https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-fa-youth-cup-match-24898627
Roy Butler, 23, Irish footballer Watford FC dies after Jansen: https://twitter.com/NewsForAllIre/status/1428301909715296263?s=20
Two young Columbia High school footballers die: https://www.wistv.com/2021/09/04/he-would-love-it-donadrian-robinsons-family-reacts-tribute-wj-keenan-high-school/?outputType=apps
Australian sailor Cameron Dale, 29, dies after catastrophic stroke: https://7news.com.au/sport/sailing/australian-sailor-jessica-watson-reveals-sudden-death-of-partner-cameron-dale-c-3845979
Yusuke Kinoshita, 27, baseball pro dies 7 weeks post vaccine: https://thecovidworld.com/yusuke-kinoshita-27-year-old-japanese-professional-baseball-player-dies-7-weeks-after-covid-19-vaccine/
Jeremy Chardy, 34, tennis pro cannot train or play after vaccine: https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_Interviews/102836/jeremy-chardy-i-regret-getting-vaccinated-i-have-series-of-problems-now/
Jimmy Hayes, 31, former Bruins player unexpectedly dies: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/23/sports/jimmy-hayes-former-bruin-boston-college-hockey-champ-dies-31/ Parys Haralson, 37, former Saints line backer dies https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/13/parys-haralson-former-49-ers-and-saints-lb-dies-37/8328669002/
Kjeld Nuis, 31, Dutch professional skater admitted to hospital with inflamed heart: https://www.rtlboulevard.nl/entertainment/news/artikel/5243606/kjeld-nuis-vaccinatie-ziek-update
Francesca Marcon, 38, volleybal professional can’t play, has pericarditis post vaccine: https://www.lapressa.it/notiziario/sport/la-campionessa-di-volley-ho-una-pericardite-post-vaccino
John Stokes, 21, athlete at Tennessee Uni hospitalized with heart inflammation: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/student-athlete-john-stokes-myocarditis-covid-vaccine-002451374.html?guccounter=1
Jake Ehlinger, 20, found dead - cause unknown: https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/sam-ehlinger-brother-death-cause/
https://twitter.com/KikiwahT/status/1444719144591454209
Two Questions at the interview: 1) How would you feel about having to restrain someone to give them a shot 2) How would you feel about taking a child from their parents
“Strokes seem to be every couple of hours....I've never heard of so many people having strokes" “…Yeah blood clots as well…” I wonder why that could be
Interesting little exchange on Liveline during a discussion on ambulance waiting times.
不容易啊,病毒溯源和早起排查得时候怎么没见各位如此死磕呢?要是一开始救遏制再武汉。岂不是都不用死了?
错。美国疫苗覆盖率低。南部一些州完成疫苗的人才占30%几,40%。瑞典和丹麦两个国家都是12岁以上的人群里已经80%以上fully vaccinated。在80%以上的人打过疫苗的国家,稍微有一些风险的人可以选择不打疫苗了,因为得病风险极低,另外80%的人已经帮他们形成了保护屏障。
美国那些疫苗33%,40%的州,还得且得一阵新冠呢。等到80%的人都得过一遍或打过疫苗,才形成群免。也就是说,还有40%的人需要被传染,才能达到瑞典和丹麦的水平。
美国目前的政策没有问题,推进疫苗,同时放开。
瑞典和丹麦,fully vaccinated占人口80%以上(age 12+)。所以可以选择不再打,因为已经形成屏障。 美国有的州只有40% fully vaccinated, 如果停止打疫苗,就是让更多的人死。所以美国当然不能跟进。 你去掉这个先决条件,来宣传瑞典丹麦不打疫苗了,非常有问题。美国跟进就成傻子了。
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"As the supply of Pfizer vaccine is sufficient in the territory ... the chief epidemiologist has decided not to use the Moderna vaccine in Iceland," said a statement published on the website of the Health Directorate.
65%是至少打了一针的比例。打两针及以上的只有56.2%
下面那个说一家墨尔本医院ER每小时20个胸痛的。